NewsGang and Gillmor Gang IRC Transcripts for 04/29/2008

NewsGang Live 04.29.08

01[14:39] <+ConnectedGeek> ********************04/29/2008 2:40pm EST******************
[14:44] <@BankaiNetworks> You do know that your audio stream is not working right?
[14:45] <@BankaiNetworks> There you go
[14:46] <@BankaiNetworks> fading in and out
[14:46] <@BankaiNetworks> Yeah?
[14:46] <@BankaiNetworks> I cant hear you
[14:47] <@BankaiNetworks> Hold on and let me get my headphones
[14:47] <@BankaiNetworks> Ok. I can hear you now. What was the question again?
[14:51] <@BankaiNetworks> Doesnt Google have Analytics?
[14:53] <@BankaiNetworks> Google Analytics should be able to do that
03[15:31] * @BankaiNetworks (jstrader@dev-B36B82F5.west.biz.rr.com) has left #techaura
[15:46] <@BankaiNetworks> There we go. Now I have audio going to my motorola bluetooth earpiece
[15:48] <@BankaiNetworks> There we go. Now I think everythings working again. LOL
[15:51] <+Joffi> Would really love to hear the Prokofy smackdown
[16:01] <+rwandering> Can't call in today, but will try this listening thing.
[16:02] <+nmalaguti-1> I'll see if there's anything I want to chime in about
[16:04] <+nmalaguti-1> I see oyu
[16:04] <ustreamer-53447> Hi @stevegillmor Prokofy here : )
[16:04] <+Joffi> did Prokofy call in?
[16:04] <ustreamer-53447> What's the phone number?
[16:05] <+Joffi> he sounds good, lots of background air, maybe from Tina
[16:05] <+jromeh> new headset sounds better than yesterday's here
[16:06] <+nmalaguti-1> 800-704-9804 code 352337#
[16:07] <ustreamer-53447> Trying to call hang on
[16:08] <ustreamer-53447> Ok I'm on your line here Prokofy
[16:08] <+Joffi> eg, bunch of old men
[16:10] <+michaelpinto> Steve needs a set designer!
[16:13] <+michaelpinto> Request: Yesterday Steve mentioned the role of Ringo w the Beatles, can he expand on that? It got my attention...
[16:14] <+alexbellinger> We need to get to Ringo's squeaky kick drum peddle.
[16:14] <+michaelpinto> I like the fact that Ringo doesn't overplay
[16:15] <+michaelpinto> I think we need more New Yorkers on the show
[16:16] <+Joffi> communication break down
[16:17] <+eggsoregano> This prokofy is a waste of everyones time
[16:17] <+Joffi> no, it's exactly what he just said newsgang live is all about
[16:18] <+eggsoregano> reverend wright is a waste of everyones time
[16:19] <+eggsoregano> moving right along...
[16:19] <+Joffi> btw, tracking a keyword overrides a block also
[16:19] <ustreamer-86203> not neccessarily a show for replies if it's Steve's show, right? You wanna talk, get your own...
[16:19] <+eggsoregano> not necessarily of like mind
[16:20] <+eggsoregano> is there a thought there
[16:21] <+alexbellinger> @Joffi track doesn't override a block
[16:23] <+eggsoregano> hang it up
[16:26] <+poisonpill097> what am I missing ?
[16:26] <+poisonpill097> whose the blonde, stupid chick ?
[16:28] <ustreamer-21070> tee hee
[16:28] <+poisonpill097> blonde chick says "scientific"
[16:28] <+Joffi> @alex had a retweeter account for SXSW that was spamming me via track even though I had blocked it
[16:28] <+egilchri> steve I feel your pain; the halcyon days threaten to be over
[16:28] <+poisonpill097> who is this person ?
[16:28] <+poisonpill097> the blonde one
[16:29] <+jcposner> Ann Coulter
[16:29] <+poisonpill097> I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT !
[16:29] <+poisonpill097> sweet
[16:29] <+alexbellinger> @Joffi yes a retweet will get around a block as long as it's from a second source. Track doesn't get around a block, though.
[16:29] <+egilchri> well, while we're all waiting, don't forget to head on over to http://mycrazyuncle.com and log your location
[16:29] <+poisonpill097> shes no Ann Coulter though. Ann would have liberal elitist <censored> somewhere in there
[16:30] <+poisonpill097> so. really
[16:30] <+poisonpill097> who is she ?
[16:30] <+poisonpill097> links ?
[16:30] <+jcposner> enhancement requests need to be part of the dev cycle
[16:31] <+poisonpill097> uh.
[16:31] <+poisonpill097> this isn't syndicated boring media
[16:31] <+Joffi> Have you listened to this show before, Prokofy?
[16:31] <+RolfSchewe> what top 100?
[16:31] <+poisonpill097> who is this <censored> ?
[16:32] <+alexbellinger> gillmor is god ;)
[16:32] <+nmalaguti-1> can I call in?
[16:32] <+Mauronic> who is the woman speaking?
[16:32] <+RolfSchewe> I give him credit for keeping the conversation open this long
[16:32] <+egilchri> We're all so polite, we don't even talk over each other, and now this. Oy!
[16:33] <+poisonpill097> lol
[16:33] <+Jari_Ra> She is http://twitter.com/Prokofy
[16:33] <+Joffi> I don't think she has ever listened to the Gang before
[16:33] <+poisonpill097> Thank you Jari
[16:33] <+RolfSchewe> I have not idea who this lady is
[16:33] <@BankaiNetworks> Geez
[16:34] <+RobRoyDude> she is second life game piraih - verbal diherria girl
[16:34] <@BankaiNetworks> I wasnt impressed with Second Life
[16:34] <+poisonpill097> i just saw that
[16:34] <+poisonpill097> I have never used second life
[16:34] <+poisonpill097> does she have an aol account ?
[16:35] <+Joffi> http://summize.com/search?q=stevegillmor+Prokofy&from=&to=&ref=&tag=&tude=&lang=all 9 in about 20m
[16:35] <+poisonpill097> I think she needs a blacklisting
[16:35] <+poisonpill097> :-)
[16:35] <+RobRoyDude> welll known in second life as a compliner about everything and has her own agenda
[16:35] <@BankaiNetworks> It's interesting but I became bored of it very quickly
[16:35] <ustreamer-21070> he is an individual in the system
[16:35] <+poisonpill097> she doesn't really udnerstand much, Steve
[16:36] <+RobRoyDude> by the way that is NOT a pic of profky
[16:36] <+RolfSchewe> she has no idea what track is
[16:36] <+poisonpill097> is she a he ?
01[16:36] <+ConnectedGeek> she needs to go away
[16:36] <+RolfSchewe> period
01[16:36] <+ConnectedGeek> i dont like her
[16:36] <+RolfSchewe> she thinks track and follow are the same thing
[16:36] <+poisonpill097> She needs a mother
[16:36] <+RobRoyDude> she knows what she knows and no one else knows any better - she has a lot of conspirisy theoris
[16:36] <+Joffi> 140 character limit has helped to make conversation concise, 9 tweets in 20min is not concise
[16:37] <+egilchri> quick. somebody spec out a new enhanced track!
[16:37] <+poisonpill097> uh. like sex does not count
[16:37] <ustreamer-21070> she needs to write her blog as her response
[16:38] <ustreamer-21070> this is crazy
[16:38] <+jcposner> filtering out the noise from track should be a option, not sure why that creates should a problem
[16:38] <+RobRoyDude> she nevver shuts up - she speaks what she thinks in a connnnstant stream of blabble
[16:38] <+poisonpill097> hmmmm...that can be effective in certain instances
[16:38] <+poisonpill097> :-P
[16:38] <+RobRoyDude> her blogs or several thousand words of drivel
[16:38] <+poisonpill097> 90,000 days ago ? is that when God created the Earth too ?
[16:38] <+Jari_Ra> She still didn't get what track is...
[16:38] <+jcposner> cool use of moderation steve, mute her when others talk
[16:39] <+kr8tr> gads, hang up on her. she is worse than annoying
[16:39] <+poisonpill097> i like it
[16:39] <ustreamer-21070> she feels she has the right to talk to you even though you don't want to talk to her
[16:39] <+kr8tr> well, poisen - you are annoying as well :)
[16:39] <+poisonpill097> you need people to test out the defenses man
[16:39] <+poisonpill097> :-)
[16:39] <+poisonpill097> I'm not a blonde hair woman in second life though
[16:39] <+poisonpill097> there is a diff
[16:40] <+michaelpinto> poor steve discovers spam on twitter!
[16:40] <+kr8tr> hee
[16:40] <@theagent> because you're not chatting with her... you chatting with a BOT... you can't block her like removing her from your contact list
[16:40] <+Joffi> unfortunately, you may need to actually use block, steve
[16:40] <+RobRoyDude> profky plays a guy in SL - but she is a short dumpy in RL
[16:40] <+RolfSchewe> yeah, she uses a lot of hyperbole
[16:40] <+alexbellinger> "the hairdryer of twitter" ... says it all.
[16:40] <ustreamer-21070> she just said that she doesn't beleive you should be forced to read content you don't want to
[16:41] <+eggsoregano> an program such as this one, in its neophyte stages, cannot survive a waste of time such as this (her)
[16:41] <+poisonpill097> I thought she said she knew what all this stuff, now she is saying that she doesn't know how to game whatever
[16:41] <+RolfSchewe> i think second life says it all
[16:41] <+jcposner> mute allowing fine grain contol that steve wants in twitter
[16:41] <ustreamer-36012> "Hairdryer?" How about "leafblower?"
[16:42] <ustreamer-21070> what is the issue again?
[16:42] <+poisonpill097> steve...i like your muting skills
[16:42] <+poisonpill097> I was the media did that
[16:42] <+eggsoregano> this woman is over-dosed on prozac.
01[16:42] <+ConnectedGeek> man... please shut her up
[16:42] <+poisonpill097> I feel bad now
[16:42] <+RolfSchewe> haha
[16:42] <ustreamer-21070> wow
[16:43] <+Joffi> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll
[16:43] <+poisonpill097> shes going to be on CNN one day
[16:43] <ustreamer-21070> do you think disruptive media will never disrupt you? interesting question
[16:43] <+poisonpill097> she has the medium down
[16:44] <ustreamer-21070> good example stever with the letter
[16:44] <+RobRoyDude> One who posts or talks a deliberately provocative message with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument
[16:44] <+poisonpill097> But that would be every single revolutionary leader in the country ?
[16:44] <+michaelpinto> wait until you get 300 of those a day...
[16:44] <ustreamer-21070> spasms!
[16:44] <+poisonpill097> Why would you want an apathetic base ?
[16:45] <+RolfSchewe> where did this lady come from?
[16:45] <+eggsoregano> revolutionary leader??
[16:45] <ustreamer-21070> One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument
[16:45] <+alexbellinger> profoky is clinton spin
[16:46] <+alexbellinger> freudian misspelling ... should read prokofy
[16:46] <+poisonpill097> I think its weird that there are words for censorship
[16:46] <+RobRoyDude> she is a anarcist
[16:46] <+poisonpill097> I like anarcists.
[16:46] <+eggsoregano> clinton is pro-***ky
[16:46] <+eggsoregano> what is an anarcist?
[16:47] <+Jari_Ra> She still doesn't get it...
[16:47] <+poisonpill097> i dont know. an egg beater
[16:47] <+RobRoyDude> well she is an anarcist with very deep mental problems
[16:47] <+eggsoregano> what is an anarcist??
[16:47] <+nmalaguti-1> http://blog.twitter.com/2007/09/tracking-twitter.html
[16:47] <ustreamer-21070> analcyst?
[16:47] <ustreamer-21070> An abnormal membranous sac containing a gaseous, liquid, or semisolid substance.
[16:48] <+RolfSchewe> Holy motormouth Batman
[16:48] <+poisonpill097> interesting point
[16:48] <+alexbellinger> I think block does block track, doesn't it?
[16:48] <+poisonpill097> This person represents the problem that Twitter will have
[16:48] <+poisonpill097> She will be every single corporation on Twitter if it goes mainstream
[16:49] <+kr8tr> no - block doesn;t work in this case, since track is tracking terms - not people
[16:49] <+poisonpill097> rendering it useless
[16:49] <ustreamer-21070> good point posonpill097
[16:50] <+poisonpill097> This is why bandwidth is going to be a problem folks.
[16:50] <+poisonpill097> Bunch of <censored> 24/7
[16:51] <ustreamer-21070> quick block her
[16:51] <+RolfSchewe> Block her Steve
[16:51] <ustreamer-21070> do it
[16:51] <+Mauronic-1> can't listen to this anymore
[16:51] <+Joffi> She's given permission, time to test it
[16:51] <ustreamer-21070> take a deep breath
[16:51] <+michaelpinto> this is turning into the gong show!
[16:51] <+RolfSchewe> For God's sake block her!
[16:51] <+eggsoregano> eureka
[16:51] <ustreamer-21070> do it now darlings
01[16:51] <+ConnectedGeek> cut her off plz
[16:51] <+poisonpill097> I can't block an audio feed
[16:51] <ustreamer-21070> i'm giddy with excitement
[16:51] <+poisonpill097> its not working
[16:51] <+RolfSchewe> Block her and mute her
[16:52] <+poisonpill097> @block @block @mute @contain
[16:52] <+eggsoregano> what is an anarcist?
[16:52] <+poisonpill097> someone that walks around with a tinhat on their head
[16:52] <+michaelpinto> twitter needs a "restraining order" function
[16:53] <+RolfSchewe> I wish I could block her on the Ustream feed
[16:53] <+derektut> who is she?
[16:53] <ustreamer-36012> I think she's a psycho loony.
[16:53] <ustreamer-21070> csa-clinton spin artist
[16:53] <+Mauronic-1> i give up....blocking this show for the day
[16:53] <ustreamer-21070> consequences of filtration
01[16:54] <+ConnectedGeek> major arrogant woman!!
[16:54] <+poisonpill097> Welcome to the mainstream media
[16:54] <+poisonpill097> and welcome to the US government
[16:54] <+RobRoyDude> she will never give up- ever - that is her peronality - i know her
[16:54] <+eggsoregano> this woman has accomplished everything she hoped for when she called in
[16:54] <ustreamer-21070> wikileaks.com is for scandals
[16:54] <+RolfSchewe> she is misrepresenting what he wants to do
01[16:54] <+ConnectedGeek> i give up
01[16:55] <+ConnectedGeek> leaving
01[16:55] <+ConnectedGeek> good bye!!
[16:55] <+eggsoregano> this woman has major <censored> envy
[16:55] <+nmalaguti-1> bye
[16:55] <+Joffi> we do /personal/ censorship every second of every day, different than censorship forced upon.
[16:55] <+RobRoyDude> don't give up - u give up she wins
[16:55] <+eggsoregano> she is intelligent?
[16:55] <+nmalaguti-1> can I ask a question, i'm on the phone
[16:55] <ustreamer-21070> it;s ok to be insular in this space
[16:55] <+poisonpill097> kind of different without audio
[16:56] <+derektut> yeah!
[16:56] <ustreamer-22034> mute her please lets get back to important discussion
[16:56] <+poisonpill097> personally, i like the chat room better.
[16:56] <ustreamer-21070> it's an individual space, that's the thing this is an individual's space not public so much
01[16:56] <+ConnectedGeek> her voice is SOOOOO annoying
[16:56] <+jcposner> she is making the argument that her voice should be heard no matter what.
01[16:56] <+ConnectedGeek> i agree
[16:56] <+poisonpill097> wait. she has a point
01[16:56] <+ConnectedGeek> but she needs some respect
[16:56] <+poisonpill097> THANK YOU
[16:56] <+eggsoregano> pPULLLLLLL the PLUGGGGGG
[16:56] <+derektut> write it down! lol
[16:56] <+Joffi> any point she had has been overridden by the need to pull my hair out
[16:56] <+poisonpill097> write it down. GIVE ME A MEMO
[16:56] <ustreamer-21070> deep breath now, exhale--------
[16:56] <+RobRoyDude> chat room has less talk over
[16:56] <+derektut> awesome. who is the person?
[16:57] <ustreamer-22034> she's bill orielly
[16:57] <+derektut> what is her name?
[16:57] <+alexbellinger> trolls have no logic, that's the point.
[16:57] <+poisonpill097> hey now
[16:57] <ustreamer-22034> doesn't want to listen only tell people her opinion
[16:57] <ustreamer-21070> where is jason when we need him
[16:57] <+eggsoregano> nothing
[16:57] <+poisonpill097> for such a "disruptive" media, how does one expect to have so much order
[16:57] <+poisonpill097> sociologically, it makes sense.
[16:57] <+michaelpinto> we can hear you nick
[16:58] <+poisonpill097> But technically...no
[16:58] <+eggsoregano> twitter about twitter
[16:58] <+jcposner> it is the classic loudmouth problem, sometimes that have interesting things to say but the nature how they say it is so offputting that no one wants to listen
[16:58] <+poisonpill097> and how is any politician different ?
[16:58] <+derektut> steve's got this one right.
[16:58] <+poisonpill097> you maya agree with your favorite politician. But others do not
[16:59] <+eggsoregano> discussion?
[16:59] <@theagent> nick... what is your twitter handle?
[16:59] <+nmalaguti-1> nmalaguti
01[16:59] <+ConnectedGeek> wow a true question answer dialog
01[16:59] <+ConnectedGeek> thank GOD!!
[17:00] <+poisonpill097> ultimately though. this is all kewl and all. But how will this get me money ?
[17:00] <+jcposner> i search you can use the minus sign to filter
[17:00] <+jcposner> in
[17:00] <+ibspoof> i use track to keep up with what is happening in my city
[17:00] <+poisonpill097> I dont use any of it
[17:00] <+ibspoof> i learn about events i never knew about all the time
[17:01] <+jcposner> summize is the best
[17:01] <+jcposner> realtime updates
[17:01] <+poisonpill097> that might be nice if you are in a major metropolitan area
[17:01] <+poisonpill097> but in my area, nobody knows what firefox is
[17:01] <+ibspoof> @poisonpill097 ya too bad Tulsa isn't really a major place :)
[17:01] <+eggsoregano> you lucky dog
[17:01] <+Joffi> tweetscan and summize etc are good for checking what happened whilst asleep
[17:01] <+poisonpill097> Tulsa ?
[17:02] <+jcposner> http://summize.com/search?q=Obama&from=&to=&ref=&tag=&tude=&lang=all
[17:02] <+jcposner> shows real time updates
[17:02] <+poisonpill097> its not much of a firehose if the hose is only going to one place
[17:03] <+Karoli> cool, the chat works now. didn't earlier
[17:03] <+eggsoregano> Tulsa?
[17:04] <+poisonpill097> i am thrilled to death that I have bootcamp running though
[17:04] <@theagent> this call needs to move on
[17:04] <+eggsoregano> si
[17:04] <+eggsoregano> si
[17:04] <+ibspoof-1> ya Tulsa, Oklahoma not much of a tech center
[17:04] <+alexbellinger> I think prokofy is a glove puppet
01[17:04] <+ConnectedGeek> i agree @theagent
[17:04] <+poisonpill097> why would mac setup the default partition as a fat32 though ?
[17:04] <+eggsoregano> Prokofy has beaten us all
[17:05] <+RolfSchewe> is this lady an agent provocateur or something?
[17:05] <+poisonpill097> someone talk about something technical. QUICK !
[17:06] <@theagent> rm -rf prokufy
[17:06] <+poisonpill097> ahahhaaha
[17:06] <+eggsoregano> how about apollo 13
[17:06] <+derektut> what the hell is her point? let's move on.
[17:06] <+ibspoof-1> she's for obama?
[17:06] <+poisonpill097> apollo 13...what about it ?
[17:06] <+derektut> don't make judgements steve.
[17:06] <@theagent> prokufy | /dev/null
[17:06] <+poisonpill097> haha
[17:06] <+eggsoregano> very technica;\l
[17:07] <+poisonpill097> what flavor is your fav, theagent ?
[17:07] <+eggsoregano> we all make judgments
[17:07] <+derektut> Is farrakhan a radical?
[17:07] <+eggsoregano> lime
[17:07] <@theagent> I'm looking for the correct port to block on my firewall for her
[17:07] <+derektut> did rev wright praise farrakhan?
[17:07] <+poisonpill097> block the telnet port
[17:07] <+poisonpill097> :-P
01[17:07] <+ConnectedGeek> HANG HER UP!!
[17:07] <+derektut> did obama sit in his pew listening to his rhetoric?
01[17:07] <+ConnectedGeek> that is the port
[17:08] <+derektut> pure logic. obama is in trouble.
[17:08] <+eggsoregano> how about apollo 13?
[17:08] <+poisonpill097> bla bla bla
[17:08] <+poisonpill097> she watches cnn enough.
[17:08] <+eggsoregano> bal bla
[17:08] <+derektut> she doesn't know what the ff she is talking about. hang up.
[17:09] <+eggsoregano> thats already happened
[17:09] <+RolfSchewe> she saounds like a Lieberman type
01[17:09] <+ConnectedGeek> she is talking our of her ass
[17:09] <+eggsoregano> what does that mean?
[17:09] <+derektut> hmm, she may have a point
01[17:09] <+ConnectedGeek> our = out
[17:09] <+eggsoregano> Liberman type?
[17:09] <+poisonpill097> antisemitism and whatever
[17:09] <+poisonpill097> lol
[17:09] <+derektut> is dems don't see some of their inherent racism, look again.
[17:09] <+RolfSchewe> she is talking about hard-left, she is middle of the road
[17:10] <+poisonpill097> UH. if religion was a private matter, then why do we need it in school ?
01[17:10] <+ConnectedGeek> is she done?
[17:10] <+RolfSchewe> who defines the scale?
[17:10] <+eggsoregano> what a new concept
[17:10] <@theagent> oops... wrong O --- Oberman and not Obama
01[17:10] <+ConnectedGeek> plz be done
[17:10] <+ibspoof-1> lessig is a radical?
[17:10] <+eggsoregano> Tulsa?
[17:10] <+poisonpill097> uh
[17:10] <+poisonpill097> beis
[17:10] <+michaelpinto> lessig is a lefty? what????
[17:10] <+poisonpill097> bevis
[17:10] <+Karoli> lessig a radical?????
[17:10] <+Karoli> since when?
[17:11] <+ibspoof-1> lessig is out to help us all
[17:11] <ustreamer-36012> Uh, no.
[17:11] <+eggsoregano> what about anarcist 13?
[17:11] <+ibspoof-1> drop her, she doesn't have a clue
[17:11] <+Karoli> dang jerry you're awesome
[17:11] <+derektut> this woman should really shut up.
[17:11] <+poisonpill097> i've started a trend. i hate myself
[17:11] <+michaelpinto> he's a supporter but not part of the campiagn
[17:11] <+derektut> get some specific examples and then hang up after the silence.
01[17:11] <+ConnectedGeek> JERRY is awesome
[17:11] <+eggsoregano> Jerry?
[17:12] <+Karoli> steve unmute me
[17:12] <+Joffi> Jerry is going for a producer webby ;)
01[17:12] <+ConnectedGeek> @theagent = Jerry
[17:12] <+eggsoregano> Tom & Jerry Jerry?
[17:12] <+poisonpill097> she is wasting my time
[17:12] <+michaelpinto> so she's for slush funds?
[17:12] <+kr8tr> But by her own arguments, doesn;t Lessig (or whoever) deserve a voice?
[17:12] <+Joffi> oh my
[17:12] <+alexbellinger> This is really very funny.
[17:13] <+eggsoregano> It would be?
[17:13] <+poisonpill097> She's just reading a CNN transcript
[17:13] <@TinaGillmor> karoli - think you're unmuted now
[17:13] <+eggsoregano> I'm not
[17:13] <+poisonpill097> doesn't matter. yes. the entire system has been gamed
[17:13] <+poisonpill097> I agree
[17:13] <ustreamer-51051> hey the chat finally loaded
[17:13] <+poisonpill097> Web will be dead in 5 years
[17:13] <+poisonpill097> PERIOD
[17:14] <+Karoli> thx tina
[17:14] <+eggsoregano> Karoli?
[17:14] <+eggsoregano> THE Karoli?
[17:14] <+michaelpinto> this conversation is like an intellectual car accident - i can't stand it but i have to keep looking...
[17:14] <+poisonpill097> and its idiots like this woman that will give politicians a reason to turn off the pipe. lol
[17:14] <+eggsoregano> How about the Challenger disaster?
[17:14] <+derektut> hey tina!
[17:15] <+RobRoyDude> NOT HER - trust me
[17:15] <+alexbellinger> Prokofy must be Lauren Feldman, surely?
[17:15] <@TinaGillmor> hey there
[17:15] <+eggsoregano> Tu;lsa?
[17:15] <ustreamer-51051> this is like the good old days when the guests could complain about hte show being split up
[17:15] <+RolfSchewe> hello
[17:15] <+derektut> lol
[17:15] <+rwandering> This whole thing is just too painful.
[17:15] <+jcposner> drawing an audience for sure
[17:15] <+eggsoregano> Paiinful?
[17:15] <+RolfSchewe> what is with the hyperbole?
[17:15] <+kr8tr> hang up on her now
[17:15] <ustreamer-51051> how do we change our username
[17:15] <+Karoli> @eggsoregano which one is THE?
[17:15] <+derektut> this is boring.
[17:15] <+poisonpill097> i just spilled coke on me
[17:15] <+derektut> she is boring.
[17:16] <+poisonpill097> <censored> it
[17:16] <ustreamer-21070> can you hear me screaming?
[17:16] <+eggsoregano> Try the vacuum pois
[17:16] <+RobRoyDude> coke better on you than on keyboard
[17:16] <+RolfSchewe> can she be any more condascending?
01[17:16] <+ConnectedGeek> please mute her!!!!!
[17:16] <ustreamer-51051> is she a new guest?
[17:16] <ustreamer-21070> i love this
[17:16] <+poisonpill097> i should have whats her face lick it up for me
[17:16] <+kr8tr> Bet she sits in front of the mirror looking at how amazing she is after this call
[17:16] <+poisonpill097> ooop. my gf wouldn't like that
[17:16] <+derektut> she likes labls.
[17:16] <ustreamer-21070> i don't think that's her i think the picture is ironic
[17:16] <+michaelpinto> i'm scared of people who spend too much time in 2nd life
[17:17] <+Joffi> connect the dots, stop jumping rails
[17:17] <+poisonpill097> marx ?
[17:17] <+poisonpill097> what ?
[17:17] <+derektut> marxist?
[17:17] <ustreamer-51051> ????
[17:17] <+eggsoregano> girlfriend?
[17:17] <+poisonpill097> yea
[17:17] <+poisonpill097> LOL
01[17:17] <+ConnectedGeek> she needs restraint
[17:17] <+derektut> wasn't that discussed a few years ago?
[17:17] <ustreamer-51051> CopyMARX!!!
[17:17] <+poisonpill097> SHE JUST SAID MARX
[17:17] <ustreamer-51051> ha
[17:17] <+poisonpill097> hHAHHAAAA
[17:17] <+derektut> she should update her message.
[17:17] <+RolfSchewe> this lady didn't vote for Obama
[17:17] <ustreamer-21070> i love marx
01[17:17] <+ConnectedGeek> and respect
[17:17] <+eggsoregano> Karl or Karl?
[17:17] <+poisonpill097> I read Capital
[17:17] <ustreamer-21070> marxism is not communism
[17:17] <+derektut> hear hear rolfschewe
[17:17] <ustreamer-51051> any other NC folk here?
[17:17] <ustreamer-21070> Das Capital
[17:17] <+poisonpill097> I doubt she has
[17:17] <+RolfSchewe> she is an agent provocateur
[17:17] <+rwandering> whoops. Steve just turned it all off.
[17:17] <+poisonpill097> Das Capital. Thats right
[17:17] <ustreamer-21070> I was great you guys thanks
[17:17] <+derektut> oh that's prokofy?
[17:17] <+eggsoregano> a typical Obama supporter
[17:18] <+eggsoregano> Tulsa is the capital?
[17:18] <+poisonpill097> marxism is the New York Stock Exchange
[17:18] <@BankaiNetworks> She was a waste of time
[17:18] <+rwandering> Hey -- Steve, you kicked me off.
[17:18] <ustreamer-21070> opium of the masses
[17:18] <+derektut> http://secondthoughts.typepad.com/
[17:18] <ustreamer-51051> only suffered the last 10 min
[17:18] <+derektut> is that her?
[17:18] <+RobRoyDude> like watching a train wreck
[17:18] <+poisonpill097> 50 ?
[17:19] <+eggsoregano> 51
[17:19] <@TinaGillmor> robert - call back in - you weren't kicked off on purpose
[17:19] <+derektut> LOL
[17:19] <+derektut> oh yes he does
[17:19] <+poisonpill097> I think you do
[17:19] <+poisonpill097> LOL
[17:19] <+RolfSchewe> http://twitter.com/Prokofy
[17:19] <+rwandering> am
[17:19] <ustreamer-21070> please don't villify
[17:19] <ustreamer-51051> what was he pissed about?
[17:19] <+eggsoregano> he should have said it twenty years ago
[17:19] <ustreamer-51051> oh, Rev?
[17:19] <+derektut> but she was at least as good as steve in talking circular.
[17:19] <+RolfSchewe> *sigh*
[17:19] <+eggsoregano> that the point
[17:19] <+derektut> lol
[17:20] <+derektut> steve has met his match!
[17:20] <+poisonpill097> Ive been holding it for the past twenty minutes
[17:20] <+eggsoregano> let it go
[17:20] <+poisonpill097> that would not be good
[17:20] <ustreamer-21070> this channel is private-ish it's an honor to listen in
[17:20] <+RolfSchewe> i have this pressure in my head
[17:20] <+RolfSchewe> that was a hard listen
[17:20] <+poisonpill097> i dont even think a lot of people even watch tv
[17:20] <+eggsoregano> You are so mistaken
[17:21] <+poisonpill097> k...
[17:21] <+eggsoregano> tv?
03[17:21] * ustreamer-51051 is now known as rjboyle
[17:21] <+poisonpill097> I'm mistaken. and so are the hundreds of thousands of americans who are out a house
[17:21] <rjboyle> alright, figured out how to change my name
[17:21] <rjboyle> I'm a real human now
[17:22] <+poisonpill097> you seriously believe people care about politics when they are too busy trying to find money for their mortgage ?
[17:22] <+eggsoregano> out a house>?
[17:22] <@TinaGillmor> That was "interesting" - now the most interesting part about it is that's it's over
[17:22] <+hardaway> Thank God I can listen now. She was yelling in my ear.
[17:22] <+eggsoregano> He rendered that speech meaningless today
[17:23] <+poisonpill097> well. I'm voting for McCain, so...
[17:23] <+eggsoregano> Didn't he disown Wright today?
[17:23] <@TinaGillmor> yes
[17:23] <+eggsoregano> Well then his speech a month ago is meaningless
[17:23] <+alexbellinger> Wright is not net neutral. I think he benefits Obama. He's the black man that Obama isn't. A good counterpoint from Obama's perspective.
[17:23] <+eggsoregano> he did not keep his word
[17:24] <+poisonpill097> they DONT CARE !
[17:24] <+poisonpill097> its not even a matter of consumption
[17:24] <+poisonpill097> I think the American public has turned off the channel as of the Texas primary
[17:24] <rjboyle> agree
01[17:24] <+ConnectedGeek> Prokofy is mouthing off on twitter
[17:24] <+eggsoregano> They've decided
[17:24] <rjboyle> I hear the news from other people now
[17:25] <+Karoli> @eggsoregano if you didn't see or read what he said, you don't know whether what you said is true or not
01[17:25] <+ConnectedGeek> what a closed minded person
[17:25] <+poisonpill097> im sick and tired of the media saying, and now THIS race is important
[17:25] <+poisonpill097> and then THAT race is important
[17:25] <+eggsoregano> o good geek tell us what she says
[17:25] <rjboyle> NC!
[17:25] <+eggsoregano> I did hear and read what he said
[17:25] <+poisonpill097> the democrats have managed to screw themselves over yet again
01[17:26] <+ConnectedGeek> from Prokofy on twitter: Had no idea @stevegillmor would be such a controlling asshole -- quite an eye-opener being on the "News Gang"!!!
[17:26] <+Karoli> @poisonpill097 I don't think so.
[17:26] <+eggsoregano> its in the dna pois
[17:26] <+poisonpill097> Karoli. My girlfriend is a very softspoken individual
[17:26] <+eggsoregano> Geek, give us a break
[17:26] <+WebPixie> karoli makes a good point that network news will grab some sound bites and that's all a large part of their audience will hear
[17:26] <+poisonpill097> She, unlike me, voted for Clinton
[17:26] <+poisonpill097> Shes a teacher
[17:27] <+poisonpill097> not like the system favors her in either case
[17:27] <+poisonpill097> but still. She has turned off.
[17:27] <rjboyle> ok, Karoli's bf is a McCain supporter?
[17:27] <+poisonpill097> Its sad. But I'm starting to feel the same way
[17:27] <+poisonpill097> Maybe we need the old guard in power
[17:27] <+jcposner> Blocking users does not block their updates when you track their keywords
[17:28] <+jcposner> http://getsatisfaction.com/twitter/topics/blocking_users_does_not_block_their_updates_when_you_track_their_keywords?utm_medium=widget&utm_source=widget_twitter
[17:28] <+eggsoregano> The doors wide open for Al Gore
[17:28] <@theagent> what is Debbie's twitter handle
[17:28] <rjboyle> the Goreinator!
[17:28] <+poisonpill097> I think the system needs to help "the people"
[17:28] <@theagent> thought it was something like mojones
[17:28] <+eggsoregano> exactlu\y
[17:28] <ustreamer-15164> You have a severe allergy to ppl who don't agree with you, that's just not acceptable on THIS show that is supposed to be diverse -- there you are with everybody in your choir, preaching to each other -- Prokofy
[17:29] <+eggsoregano> what is his message?
[17:29] <ustreamer-15164> Steveg Gillmor shut me off because *gasp* I dared to say Lessig's ideas are Marxian, the shame! lol
[17:29] <+poisonpill097> is there block in this chat room ?
[17:29] <+poisonpill097> OMG
[17:29] <rjboyle> don't know
[17:29] <+poisonpill097> MAKE IT STOP
[17:29] <+jcposner> Was Wright clown act ultimately helpful to Obama
[17:29] <+poisonpill097> ustreamer, you need to go watch Fox
[17:29] <+eggsoregano> Fox?
[17:30] <+poisonpill097> they'll love you
[17:30] <+ustreamer-15164> @jcposner, the issue is whether block shuts off the flow of @name tho, not keywords
[17:30] <+poisonpill097> ustreamer, you sound like a Nazi
[17:30] <+poisonpill097> and I've seen Nazis
[17:30] <+ustreamer-15164> So criticizing Marxism a la Lessig automatically makes one a Nazi? That's funny. I voted for Obama?
[17:30] <+jcposner> block does not block keywords
[17:30] <+jcposner> in gtalk
[17:30] <+poisonpill097> there is such thing as black Nazis
[17:30] <+RolfSchewe> ustreamer-15164 is probably Prokofy
[17:30] <rjboyle> ??
[17:30] <+ustreamer-15164> my question isn't about keywords it's about the at sign @name
[17:31] <+eggsoregano> Their campaign is going down in flames
[17:31] <+ustreamer-15164> Yes I identified myself as Prokofy
[17:31] <+poisonpill097> I never heard a question
[17:31] <+jcposner> earlier conversation re block and track
[17:31] <+ustreamer-15164> could you clarify if block also blocks @ u sage on the track, that's all
[17:31] <+poisonpill097> ustreamer...nobody cares about twitter
[17:31] <+poisonpill097> go away
[17:31] <+alexbellinger> @jcposner so if you track your name any of use it will always appear, even if you've blocked the person using it?
[17:31] <+poisonpill097> lol.
[17:31] <+poisonpill097> different Washington
[17:31] <+poisonpill097> = 1 man ?
[17:31] <+ustreamer-15164> I've seldom found a more controlling, self-referential gang, it's very scary, thinking these ppl are the techs making the tools that are supposed to be for an inclusive national conversation
[17:31] <+ustreamer-15164> very scary
[17:32] <+eggsoregano> Hope is what you have when you surrender
[17:32] <+poisonpill097> I know its scary
[17:32] <+poisonpill097> EMBRACE THE DARKNESS !
[17:32] <+eggsoregano> right on pois
[17:32] <+Joffi> Just ordered Fear, The Accuser used. power of the vague reference
[17:32] <+RolfSchewe> */block ustreamer-15164
[17:33] <+poisonpill097> Amaon ?
[17:33] <+poisonpill097> Amazon ?
[17:33] <+ustreamer-15164> I think Steve Gillmor has some very deep issues and prejudices, yes, and it's disconcerting how much someone like that could gain influence over so many, and get such unquestioning adoration from them
[17:33] <+Karoli> sorry, my last response was for rjBoyl
[17:33] <+eggsoregano> guilt & hope
[17:33] <+eggsoregano> for those who surrender
[17:33] <+Joffi> unquestioning... ha
[17:33] <+RolfSchewe> oh the hyperbole
[17:33] <+poisonpill097> ustreamer. we dont follow steve
[17:33] <+poisonpill097> he follows us
[17:34] <+poisonpill097> :-P
[17:34] <+eggsoregano> Tuls?
01[17:34] <+ConnectedGeek> who is : ustreamer-15164?
[17:34] <+jcposner> Hillary on Fox tonight
[17:34] <rjboyle> Karoli, what response?
[17:34] <+jcposner> should be interesting
[17:34] <+RolfSchewe> that is "her"
[17:34] <+poisonpill097> yawn
01[17:34] <+ConnectedGeek> ooo
[17:34] <+eggsoregano> right on pois
01[17:34] <+ConnectedGeek> understood
[17:34] <+michaelpinto> ustreamer-15164 = the person who chewed up an hour
[17:35] <@TinaGillmor> unquestioning adoration? on what planet?
[17:35] <+jcposner> Fox news is hating that Obama came out against Wright
[17:35] <+Joffi> Clinton sure as hell doesn't want it to go to the convention, look at Obama's caucus power
[17:35] <+eggsoregano> one is devious one is not
[17:35] <+jcposner> that will dominate the news cycle for a few days
[17:35] <+ustreamer-15164> on planet Gillmore? where in the chat -- and where Gillmor himself, mutes, blocks, people ? I find that really wierd
[17:35] <rjboyle> jcposner, what is Fox spin on Obama coming out against Wright?
[17:36] <@TinaGillmor> 15164 prokofy, we met her during the first hour of the show
[17:36] <+eggsoregano> It was Fox who said thats what he should do three weeks ago
[17:36] <+ustreamer-15164> I mean, if I had a caller that was racist or inciting violence, I could see muting, but somebody who just doesn't agree with your particular brand of leftwing politics? huh?
[17:36] <+RolfSchewe> blah blah blah
[17:36] <+eggsoregano> blah
[17:36] <+jcposner> fox spin is he had to do it because the campaign was in a nose dive
[17:36] <+RolfSchewe> was reading Prokofy's twitter stream
[17:36] <+RolfSchewe> funny
[17:36] <+Karoli> rjboyle husband not mccain supporter -- reformed republican
[17:36] <+ustreamer-15164> I was invited on the show, not something I sought myself, I wouldn't normally strait-jacket myself into some tech-talk dude's constrained techlib politico hour lol
[17:36] <+eggsoregano> spin?
[17:36] <rjboyle> Reformed?
[17:37] <+jcposner> also Clinton ties to the Wright NPC appearance are interesting
[17:37] <+eggsoregano> Hillary would kill to be pres
01[17:37] <+ConnectedGeek> ustreamer-15164, if you listened more and spoke less... the call would have been more enjoyable... you had good topics to talk about; however, you never let anyone speak their thoughts. you had to speak your mind first and foremost
[17:37] <+eggsoregano> literally
[17:37] <rjboyle> ha
[17:37] <+eggsoregano> and she will sabotage Obama \
[17:37] <+eggsoregano> in a heartbeat
[17:38] <+RolfSchewe> she has
[17:38] <rjboyle> Obama + the democratic party
[17:38] <+poisonpill097-1> none of them are
[17:38] <rjboyle> Anyone listen to Slate political gabfest?
[17:38] <+ustreamer-15164> You know, Steve, we can't understand out here in the radical middle, why anyone would bag on Hillary for telling the Bosnia story wrong when the operative point is that *she went to a war zone where indeed there were snipers. Obama hasn't been in a war zone.
[17:38] <+RolfSchewe> wow
[17:38] <+RolfSchewe> you type as much as you talk
[17:38] <+michaelpinto> I think that ustreamer-15164 was trying to do an andy kaufman baiting thing but couldn't pull it off
[17:38] <+eggsoregano> whoopy 15164
[17:39] <+jcposner> Obama needed show some emotion and outrage which he did and it helped him..he need a New Hampshire moment
[17:39] <+jcposner> he can't exactly cry
[17:39] <+Karoli> lol...
[17:39] <rjboyle> Ok, Obama isn't a war vet. Did that same argument work to get people to vote for Kerry?
[17:39] <+eggsoregano> Let it go folks
[17:40] <rjboyle> Andy Kaufman without the irony?
[17:40] <+michaelpinto> without the humor!
[17:40] <+ustreamer-15164> I don't caer if he's not a war vet, and if he can stop the war in Iraq, even with never having been to a war zone, that's all to the good
[17:41] <+jcposner> It will be interesting to see if Obama has been able to effectively frame Wright as the crazy uncle
[17:41] <+RolfSchewe> haha
[17:41] <+RolfSchewe> steve is losing it
[17:41] <rjboyle> something we can ALL relate to, right?
[17:41] <+ustreamer-15164> my beef is that these wackos on the extreme left are bagging on Hillary for going to a place *where there were snipers* and fixating and literalizing on this issue of her "misspeaking" about a sniper at that actual moment. Why would it matter so much except to freaks trying to use social media to
[17:41] <+RolfSchewe> i would have lost it long ago after that exchange
[17:41] <+ustreamer-15164> spread black PR
[17:41] <+jcposner> so when Wright goes running through the streets naked, Obama can say I told you he was a crazy uncle
[17:41] <rjboyle> Does every episode last this long?
01[17:42] <+ConnectedGeek> sometimes
[17:42] <rjboyle> I usually listen to the mp3s
[17:42] <rjboyle> are they cut short?
01[17:42] <+ConnectedGeek> not usually
01[17:42] <+ConnectedGeek> they may do it this time :)
[17:42] <+ustreamer-15164> I'm glad Obama wants to win. That he wants to bring people together. that he's willing to let go now some of his youthful extremism that associated him with Wright -- he needs more, not less of this
[17:42] <+RolfSchewe> Oh, so the sniper tale was true?
[17:43] <+ustreamer-15164> There were snipers in Bosnia when Hillary went there. That was true of Bosnia all that time she was there. Snipers don't keep to a schedule and let you know when they'll be available or not for your airport landing.
[17:43] <+RolfSchewe> extremism as defined by who
[17:43] <+RolfSchewe> that is hyperbole
[17:43] <+ustreamer-15164> I think it pretty much self defines Rolf
[17:43] <+ustreamer-15164> when somebody says that AIDS is spread by the US govt?
[17:43] <+ustreamer-15164> somebody follows Farrakhan of the Nation of Islam?
[17:43] <+ustreamer-15164> somebody says 9/11 is an inside job or chickens roosting?
[17:43] <+RolfSchewe> who care what he thinks?
[17:43] <+ustreamer-15164> that's your extremism, don't have to do any rocket science
[17:44] <+Joffi> as a michigan voter, don't count my state in anything
[17:44] <+ustreamer-15164> to the extent Obama had to cling to him as one of his old posse is the problem
[17:44] <@theagent> location roll call, please
[17:44] <@theagent> <--- Los Angeles, CA
[17:44] <+ustreamer-15164> New York City
[17:44] <+Joffi> 49349 Mich
[17:44] <+jcposner> Austin
[17:44] <+Jari_Ra> <---Porvoo, Finland
[17:44] <+Karoli> camarillo, ca
[17:44] <+eggsoregano> Philadelphia PA
[17:44] <+michaelpinto> ustreamer-15164 is an autistic ron paul supporter from Texas
[17:44] <+alexbellinger> <---London, UK
[17:44] <rjboyle> it always seems to me the MSM wants Obama to opologize for the entire black communicity
01[17:44] <+ConnectedGeek> <--------Detroit, MI
[17:45] <rjboyle> sorry for the spelling
[17:45] <+RolfSchewe> I forgot about the snipers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It6JN7ALF7Y
[17:45] <+ustreamer-15164> the extreme left will now be bagging on the superdelegate system but if it did benefit them they wouldn't bag on it
[17:45] <+michaelpinto> ustreamer-15164 lives in a trailer park
[17:45] <+ustreamer-15164> that's why it's not a very interesting debate
[17:45] <+ustreamer-15164> We don't have trailer parks in NYC, we have high rises.
[17:45] <+michaelpinto> ustreamer-15164 can't afford her meds
[17:46] <+michaelpinto> ustreamer-15164 lives in texas
[17:46] <+RolfSchewe> I live in NYC
[17:46] <+ustreamer-15164> Another infantile type on the Internet imagining someone needs "meds"
[17:46] <+michaelpinto> ustreamer-15164 listens to country music
[17:46] <+ustreamer-15164> I live in NYC
[17:46] <+nmalaguti-1> me too in NYC
[17:46] <+ustreamer-15164> I voted for Obama in the Primaries
[17:46] <+RolfSchewe> you wanna put money on the fact that there are trailer parks
[17:46] <+RolfSchewe> ?
[17:46] <+michaelpinto> ustreamer-15164 doesn't believe in condoms
[17:46] <+ustreamer-15164> so um, I don't drive an SUV or carry a gun? etc
[17:46] <+jcposner> Austin is only 20 minutes from Texas, I visit all the time
[17:46] <+ustreamer-15164> Oh, I think condoms are great, they distribute them in the schools here, that's a good thing
[17:46] <+michaelpinto> ustreamer-15164 owns a shotgun
[17:47] <+ustreamer-15164> nice try tho
[17:47] <rjboyle> haha
[17:47] <+Joffi> lol
[17:47] <+michaelpinto> ustreamer-15164 has a hunting dog'
[17:47] <+michaelpinto> ustreamer-15164 identifies with fat elvis
[17:47] <+ustreamer-15164> Oh, memory holing the talk with Prokofy? My God, Steve, scary
[17:47] <+michaelpinto> ustreamer-15164 eats fried foods
[17:47] <+RolfSchewe> that was a classic
[17:47] <rjboyle> I didn't show up and I didn't get thanked!
[17:47] <+ustreamer-15164> I would challenge Steve to keep the tape of the show up, and not put it in the Orwellian memory hole, so that people can judge his behaviour
[17:47] <rjboyle> Does Steve join the chat now?
[17:47] <+ustreamer-15164> is he afraid?
01[17:48] <+ConnectedGeek> awesome!!! thanks Jerry
[17:48] <+michaelpinto> ustreamer-15164 wants an IQ upgrade
[17:48] <rjboyle> haha
[17:48] <+RolfSchewe> you challenge?
[17:48] <+michaelpinto> ustreamer-15164 dates bigfoot
[17:48] <+RolfSchewe> are you in the WWF or something?
[17:48] <ustreamer-21070> what a fun show
[17:48] <+alexbellinger> thanks all very entertaining
[17:48] <+Jari_Ra> Thanks, Jerry...
[17:48] <@TinaGillmor> The show goes up as it happened. Period.
[17:48] <+ustreamer-15164> The show better go up as is -- otherwise, we really need to cry foul
[17:48] <+RolfSchewe> at least keep a copy of it
[17:49] <rjboyle> laying the producer smackdown! I like it.
[17:49] <+ustreamer-15164> that is really scary, invite someone on your "diverse show"
[17:49] <+Joffi> The ABC debate, NewsGang style, first hour... well...
[17:49] <+ustreamer-15164> then tell them oops, we hate your difference of opinion, go in the trash
[17:49] <+WebPixie> ustrezmer15164 isn't listening again
[17:49] <+Jari_Ra> 15164 just keeps on spamming...
01[17:49] <+ConnectedGeek> i will re-listen... but only to the last 30 minutes :)
[17:49] <+ustreamer-15164> WebPixie, Steve just said that he is removing the first hour and keeping only last 10 minutes, didn't you hear?
[17:49] <+alexbellinger> nothing will get cut, it never does
[17:49] <+ustreamer-15164> Well how am I to know it? first time listener and participant
[17:49] <+WebPixie> i wonder if it's drug-related
[17:49] <rjboyle> bye everyone, it was fun. I'll have to get off work early more often
[17:50] <+ustreamer-15164> I took him at face value
[17:50] <+RolfSchewe> Jerry must be getting a kick out of seeing her here in the chat
[17:50] <+RolfSchewe> I see that grin
[17:50] <+WebPixie> no sense of his humor?
[17:50] <+ustreamer-15164> He said he was cutting out the first hour, why wouldn't I take that seriously, given that this is a guy who KICKED ME OFF his show lol
[17:50] <+ustreamer-15164> because...I called Lessig's view "marxisn"
[17:50] <+ustreamer-15164> *Marxian lol
[17:50] <+ustreamer-15164> imagine! the horror!
[17:50] <+WebPixie> didn't read what tina said ...yeah, after an hour-pkus
01[17:50] <+ConnectedGeek> the show will go up as is
[17:50] <+ustreamer-15164> ConnectedGeek and you are...?
[17:50] <@TinaGillmor> 15164 Prokofy has very particular view points about the tech world and those who participate in it.
01[17:51] <+ConnectedGeek> someone who knows Tina
[17:51] <+ustreamer-15164> They are legitimate points of dissent Tina
[17:51] <+RolfSchewe> to you they are
[17:51] <+ustreamer-15164> Tina are you related to Steve Gillmor or involved in this show?
[17:51] <@TinaGillmor> I am the producer
01[17:52] <+ConnectedGeek> if Tina says she is going to do something she does it
[17:52] <+ustreamer-15164> Yes, that's why on social media, hon, I don't believe in broadcasting on some propaganda show like Kremlin TV : )
01[17:52] <+ConnectedGeek> she is awesome
[17:52] <+WebPixie> now i get it, we're expanding into newer media than second life?
[17:52] <+ustreamer-15164> ok that's good, I think it would be worrisome to hold a show, invite "diversity" then erase it
[17:52] <+ustreamer-15164> glad to hear you will leave it as is
[17:52] <+RolfSchewe> So first we have Marx, now the Kremlin
[17:52] <+RolfSchewe> you forgot Hitler and Moussolini
[17:52] <+alexbellinger> My father was a communist. Marxism is not a dirty word ;)
[17:53] <@TinaGillmor> thank you
[17:53] <+Joffi> Do a favor and download and listen to previous shows so you can see why issue was took with your labeling
[17:53] <@stevegillmor> Mine too alex
[17:53] <+ustreamer-15164> It's just characterizing his views as extreme, that's all, that's legitimate
[17:53] <+RolfSchewe> her use of it is obviously as a perjorative
[17:53] <+ustreamer-15164> I don't wish to have an extremist president, or president with such extremist advisors, I find it troublesome
[17:53] <+RolfSchewe> it's all hyperbole
[17:53] <+WebPixie> marx had great ideas; kremlin didn't (just an opinion)
[17:53] <@TinaGillmor> obviously
[17:54] <+Joffi> Who you streaming today, Jerry?
[17:54] <@TinaGillmor> don't vote for anyone you don't want to
[17:54] <+ustreamer-15164> Common misconception -- the bad ideas go with the bad outcome, Web
01[17:54] <+ConnectedGeek> yes Jerry is streaming
[17:54] <+Joffi> He streams the best eclectic stuff hehe
[17:54] <+WebPixie> had the ideas been properly applied in a world marx had yet to experience
[17:54] <@TinaGillmor> hi Jerry
[17:55] <@TinaGillmor> and thank again
[17:55] <@theagent> I don't take credit for the stream... we have the BEST bar none radio station here.... KCRW
[17:55] <+ustreamer-15164> WebPixie you can't properly apply bad ideas, why try to keep preserving this discredited ideology of 150 years ago? Please, let's modernize the times.
[17:55] <@theagent> public radio
[17:55] <@theagent> kcrw.com
[17:55] <+WebPixie> ideas were too dated and didn't fit his preconceptions (just an opinion)
[17:56] <+RolfSchewe> who is promoting them?
[17:56] <+WebPixie> you can improperly apply any idea, the result says nothing
[17:56] <+WebPixie> much about the original idea
[17:57] <+ustreamer-15164> No, I just express my honest opinion, not trying to do some game or baiting
[17:57] <+ustreamer-15164> Tina what's the URL for where these shows are?
[17:57] <+WebPixie> but you advertise yourself as "infamous?"
01[17:58] <+ConnectedGeek> please, next time.. please listen more it will help us all
[17:58] <+WebPixie> but that wouldn't be antagonistic then
[17:58] <+ustreamer-15164> Please, put pressure on your friend Steve Gillmor not to be so controlling, filtering, and neuralgic
[17:59] <@TinaGillmor> the shows are at gillmorgang.techcrunch.com
[17:59] <@stevegillmor> you will not be calling in again Katherine
[17:59] <+ustreamer-15164> any scientific study of the tape will illustrate my point -- I never got to speak more than 30 seconds in a row without him chiding, filtering pushing -- awful stuff
[17:59] <+ustreamer-15164> You can call into my show then Steve
[17:59] <+ustreamer-15164> : )
[17:59] <+WebPixie> neuralgic? is he in pain now?
[17:59] <@TinaGillmor> scientific?
[17:59] <+ustreamer-15164> I dont turn people off unless of course they are screaming racism inciting violence, etc. but normal disagreement? never
[17:59] <@TinaGillmor> this isn't at all about science
[17:59] <+ustreamer-15164> Scientific, yes Tina
[18:00] <+RolfSchewe> *yawn*
[18:00] <@stevegillmor> send me the url in email Katherine for your show. I'm steve@gillmor.com
[18:00] <+ustreamer-15164> Just listen in good faith, even him being your husband, and see if you can't time it ROFL
[18:00] <@TinaGillmor> what?
[18:00] <+ustreamer-15164> I have my podcasts up on Talk Shoe
[18:00] <+WebPixie> geez, what scientist would care to take the time for such an analysis
[18:00] <+ustreamer-15164> I will have a show just about you, Steve, and you could call in if you like
[18:00] <+ustreamer-15164> how's that?
[18:00] <@stevegillmor> it'll be a while
[18:00] <+RolfSchewe> I think that podcast must be like water boarding
[18:00] <+RolfSchewe> maybe worse
[18:01] <+ustreamer-15164> well I think it's just instructive, how people living such insular lives in the tech bubble there imagine how things are, how they think the discourse should be
[18:01] <+ustreamer-15164> kinda scary
[18:01] <+WebPixie> that's a show i will be sure to miss
01[18:01] <+ConnectedGeek> maybe steve will give us the 5 second version
[18:01] <+ustreamer-15164> Well, that's your choice, nobody twists your arm to read or hear content you don't like, but how do you think people will talk in this country about issues when there is no more MSM, but just...this?
[18:01] <+ustreamer-15164> scary!
[18:01] <+WebPixie> you scare easily, don't you prokofy?
[18:02] <+ustreamer-15164> Well I take things seriously and ponder them a lot
[18:02] <@TinaGillmor> use your own advice - if you don't like it don't listen or don't follow
[18:02] <@stevegillmor> I'm sending your email to Andrew Keen
[18:02] <+RolfSchewe> ponder? like with a monacle?
[18:02] <+ustreamer-15164> !yes
[18:02] <+RolfSchewe> fascinating...
[18:02] <+ustreamer-15164> Yes Andrew Keen is one of my favourites these days
[18:02] <+WebPixie> too seriously for your health maybe. i enjoy hearing the conversation and i always learn something i didn't know
[18:02] <+ustreamer-15164> dyerbrookME@juno.com is my email
[18:03] <+ustreamer-15164> Oh, I don't belieev in that philosophy, I read the Nation, Commentary, New Republic, everything, you need a spectrum
[18:03] <@stevegillmor> yes and Andrew is a good friend. You should pay more attention to him
[18:03] <+ustreamer-15164> I don't think you just listen to your own home boys
[18:03] <+RolfSchewe> Juno still exists?
[18:03] <+ustreamer-15164> yes perhaps YOU should pay more attention Steve
[18:03] <+WebPixie> if i didn't enjoy, as you claim not to, why tune in at all or get in a position to be invited on?
[18:03] <+ustreamer-15164> I think he'd be appalled to see your behaviour today, shutting off, culling, filtering, interrupting
[18:04] <+ustreamer-15164> let him hear the tape, I think he'd be concerned
[18:04] <+ustreamer-15164> of course, I don't know him personally
[18:04] <+ustreamer-15164> but I think he woudl
[18:04] <@stevegillmor> Andrew and I have a lot of repsect for each other, which you don't
[18:04] <+RolfSchewe> that is your perception of the conversation
[18:04] <@stevegillmor> you should listen more, slime less. it would be a better setting for your intelligence
[18:05] <@stevegillmor> Andrew can be disagreeable but never disrespectful
[18:05] <+ustreamer-15164> Steve, I can't have respect for people screeching about the need to mute, ban, filter me, and then also shutting me off constantly on a show...they invited me. I'd like to, but gosh, that sort of behaviour is really unaccountable.
[18:05] <+ustreamer-15164> Oh, I think you should read what he wrote about Lessig
[18:05] <+RolfSchewe> ustreamer-15164: what you say or believe may not necessarily be shared with other listeners
[18:05] <+ustreamer-15164> He has a great piece up on amazon's blog about lessig
[18:05] <+ustreamer-15164> he wouldn't mute /ban me for saying Lessig is a Marxist lol
[18:06] <+ustreamer-15164> Ditto Rolf, works 2 ways
[18:06] <+ustreamer-15164> that's what you find hard to take -- that people don't believe as you do, AND you won't convert them
[18:06] <+RolfSchewe> indeed
[18:06] <+WebPixie> no, just for carrying on and monopolizing the conversation for well over an hour'
[18:06] <+ustreamer-15164> and you manage the disagreement, not convert to the tribe
[18:06] <@stevegillmor> one more time, Andrew and I are good friends, does this make him a Commie home boy. Didn't think so
[18:06] <+ustreamer-15164> you are always trying to convert
[18:06] <+RolfSchewe> you don't know what I think
[18:06] <+ustreamer-15164> Andrew will help you realize why Lessig is a Marxist then, Steve, ask him
[18:06] <+WebPixie> who needs to convert everybody!
[18:06] <+ustreamer-15164> perhaps you've never shared on this subject
[18:06] <+RolfSchewe> so don't presume to know what I think
[18:07] <+ustreamer-15164> I was actually amazed to see how rude Andrew was on the subject of Beth Noveck and Lessig
[18:07] <+ustreamer-15164> far more than I
[18:07] <+RolfSchewe> you look silly trying
[18:07] <+ustreamer-15164> Rolf, you are trying to round me up and make me conform, sorry, no sale. I'lll be sticking to my beliefs, and that's ok, you need to hear, that you guys are in a far-left tech bubble, out of touch
[18:07] <+ustreamer-15164> I think Keen could help there but...I could be wrong
[18:07] <+RolfSchewe> I don't care what Lessig thinks
[18:07] <+ustreamer-15164> never heard him speak, jsut read his stuff
[18:08] <+ustreamer-15164> Steve are you going to the Personal Democracy Forum in June in NYC?
[18:08] <+alexbellinger> ustreamer-15164 serious question - do you think mainstream media will die?
[18:08] <+RolfSchewe> more "far-left" hyperbole
[18:08] <+ustreamer-15164> They should invite Andrew Keenan there
[18:08] <@stevegillmor> ok, enough of you. bye
[18:08] <+RolfSchewe> get a thesaurus
[18:08] <+ustreamer-15164> Get a wider view of history, Rolf, how old are you?
[18:08] <+Joffi> presumption and generalization is what started this
[18:08] <+RolfSchewe> what does it matter?
01[18:08] <+ConnectedGeek> do you like arguing with us?? there were over 30 people in this room discussing how rude you were... i know 30 people is a small group vs. the mass internet... but come on!!
[18:08] <+ustreamer-15164> I see that MSM has its revenue from ads tanking big time
[18:08] <+RolfSchewe> do you judge people on age?
[18:08] <+ustreamer-15164> 100 ppl laid off of Newsweek in NYC in recent weeks
[18:08] <+ustreamer-15164> huge problems with ad revenue at the Times
[18:09] <+ustreamer-15164> Yes I do when they tell me to get a thesaurus? I save it for moments like that, yes : )
[18:09] <+RolfSchewe> no
[18:09] <+alexbellinger> mainstream media is moving to web ... it's printing that's dying.
[18:09] <+ustreamer-15164> so I think yes MSM will first try to adapt to socmedia in silly and giddy ways and then in part fail and socmedia will also regress and be more like MSM
[18:09] <+ustreamer-15164> SO we won't have Anthony Lewis as a columnist but we'll have the Steve gillmor show
[18:09] <+ustreamer-15164> and that's sad to me -- scary
[18:09] <@stevegillmor> see when you talk about something you are credible
[18:10] <+ustreamer-15164> The makers of the technology need to gain some perspective and distance on their handiwork
[18:10] <+ustreamer-15164> It's very new still
[18:10] <+RolfSchewe> so all people in tech think alike?
[18:10] <+ustreamer-15164> I've observed a number of them to think in patterns yes
[18:10] <+ustreamer-15164> they track on the same issues
[18:10] <+RolfSchewe> that is a very ignorant statement sorry to say
[18:10] <+ustreamer-15164> pick a topic like "china" or "net neutrality" and they pretty much all sing from the same hymn sheets
[18:11] <+RolfSchewe> you don't know everyone in tech, first of all
[18:11] <+WebPixie> well that settles it - all techies are like the ones ustreamer knows
[18:11] <+alexbellinger> is it scary that you have your own podcast and voice on the web too ... for you ustreamer-15164?
[18:11] <+ustreamer-15164> well by "people in tech" i mean the influencers on Twitter, the blogosphere
[18:11] <+ustreamer-15164> obviously some SUV driver in Alabama who runs a network isn't going to think like, oh, Steve Gillmore, right
[18:11] <+RolfSchewe> "influencers in twitter"?
[18:11] <+ustreamer-15164> I don't find it scary, those who want to listen can listen, or not, their choice
[18:11] <+RolfSchewe> is there a room with some bearded men somewhere?
[18:12] <+alexbellinger> so what's so scary about stevegillmor having a podcast too?
[18:12] <+ustreamer-15164> if it is up to the tool makers tho, more features will be put in to have more finely granulated controls to marginalize dissenting voices far worse than anything MSM came up with
01[18:12] <+ConnectedGeek> i think she likes this venue... she is getting all kinds of attention
[18:12] <+WebPixie> what would make someone in alabama necessarily think differently?
[18:12] <+ustreamer-15164> that's very worrisome
[18:12] <+ustreamer-15164> No, I'm just typing my thoughts, I don't seek some special kind of attention
[18:12] <@TinaGillmor> are you an influencer 15164?? You blog. You twitter.
[18:12] <+RolfSchewe> you have quite an imagination
[18:12] <+ustreamer-15164> well I'm merely conceding the earlier point that all tech guys don't think alike, you could have say a gun-toting Republican SUV driver who still does all the tech for his mega church
[18:12] <+ustreamer-15164> etc
[18:13] <@stevegillmor> like rev.wright, you run the risk of talking yourself out
[18:13] <+ustreamer-15164> I mean the tech guyes on the A-list
[18:13] <+ustreamer-15164> well if you have an open stream to chat, I will exchange views, I thuoght you had said bye
[18:13] <+RolfSchewe> where is this list
[18:13] <@stevegillmor> the a list is nonexistent
[18:13] <+ustreamer-15164> Well, I didn't create it? You can read it at alltop and the other Twitterholic.com type of apps
[18:13] <+alexbellinger> ustreamer-15164 you're on the a-list right here, right now ;)
[18:14] <+RolfSchewe> you talk of this list
[18:14] <+ustreamer-15164> No, I'm not A-list material : )
[18:14] <@stevegillmor> don't read alltop
[18:14] <+WebPixie> i'm bored, so it is a good venue to give attention
[18:14] <+RolfSchewe> what list?
[18:14] <+ustreamer-15164> Guy Kawasaki made an alltop for Twitter that has you all on it
[18:14] <@stevegillmor> I'm not on it
[18:14] <+RolfSchewe> it is a figment of your technophobic imagination
[18:14] <+alexbellinger> I'm definitely not on it
[18:15] <+ustreamer-15164> actually steve isn't showing now, did his rank slip?
01[18:15] <+ConnectedGeek> i am just guy named Larry
01[18:15] <+ConnectedGeek> so i am definately not on it
[18:15] <@stevegillmor> never was on it, not on a list
01[18:15] <+ConnectedGeek> :)
[18:15] <@stevegillmor> sorry facts instrude
[18:15] <+ustreamer-15164> So Steve you do consider yourself in the old boys' club?
[18:15] <+ustreamer-15164> You post so much on Twitter, surely you SHOULD be on it
[18:16] <@stevegillmor> no, I am old and a boy but not in club
[18:16] <+RolfSchewe> old boys club, her we go again with the imagery
[18:16] <@stevegillmor> I post on twitter becasue people ask me >s
01[18:16] <+ConnectedGeek> i am not old... i am very young at heart
[18:16] <+ustreamer-15164> So STeve,in your own assessment, you are not A-list
[18:17] <+ustreamer-15164> well it was Steve who invoked that image of the boys
[18:17] <@stevegillmor> correct
[18:17] <+RolfSchewe> what do you mean by old boys club/a-list?
[18:17] <+ustreamer-15164> do you guy sactually meet in a sort of treehouse? or golf club? or?
[18:17] <@stevegillmor> virtually
[18:17] <+RolfSchewe> or do you just throw those terms out there?
[18:17] <+ustreamer-15164> but do you ever go out to Half Moon Bay and see Scoble in real life?
[18:17] <+ustreamer-15164> Rolf, again, Steve himself used this term, I am qouting him, from beginning of show
[18:17] <@theagent> we meet in saunas, drinking martini's and scratching each others <censored>
[18:17] <+WebPixie> is this starting to sound like an interview for someone's podcast?
[18:18] <@stevegillmor> yes I've known Robwert for 10 years, worked at the same publishing company together way back
[18:18] <+ustreamer-15164> well I just want to picture it
[18:18] <+RolfSchewe> i don't think he said it in the context you use it
[18:18] <+ustreamer-15164> So do you have a secret handshake, symbols and stuff ?
[18:18] <+ustreamer-15164> you and Robert
[18:18] <@stevegillmor> no
[18:18] <ustreamer-24539> conventions like a-lists are unimportant if there is nothing of quality added to the conversation. see ABC news debate for example.
[18:18] <+ustreamer-15164> so how are you able to keep each other on point then, staying all like-minded and stuff
[18:18] <@theagent> look at the vid stream 15164.. I'll show you the secret sign
[18:18] <+RolfSchewe> this chatroom is actually coming from inside "The Tomb"
[18:19] <+ustreamer-15164> ABC debate was very instructive, didn't have a problem with those questions
01[18:19] <+ConnectedGeek> sounds like we are having a high school based interview
[18:19] <@stevegillmor> by not being likeminded
[18:19] <+ustreamer-15164> I blogged a great exegesis of ABC thing btw
[18:19] <+RolfSchewe> Bonesmen here
[18:19] <+ustreamer-15164> so you are against net neutrality? or?
[18:19] <+ustreamer-15164> just to pick one issue of the A-list like-minded
[18:19] <+WebPixie> it does sound like a high school paper interview
[18:19] <@stevegillmor> yes against net neutrality
[18:20] <+WebPixie> except for the technophobic parts
[18:20] <+ustreamer-15164> http://3dblogger.typepad.com/3d_blogger/2008/04/hendrik-hertzbe.html
[18:20] <+ustreamer-15164> my blog on ABC thing
[18:20] <@stevegillmor> like I said read up on what DOc Searls says
[18:20] <+RolfSchewe> I am for it
[18:20] <+RolfSchewe> actually
[18:20] <+ustreamer-15164> so do all your friends in the boys' club rag on you for that then Steve?
[18:20] <+RolfSchewe> I would have to read that
[18:20] <+ustreamer-15164> I haven't been able to decide if I am for this thing that seems to me to be heavily ideological and lied about a lot
[18:20] <@stevegillmor> no, theuy have plenty of other thngs to rag on
[18:21] <+ustreamer-15164> When someone can answer my questions about it, perhaps they can sign me on, but I find it heavily ideological and suspect due to the refusal to understand the implicit tragedy of the commons in it
01[18:21] <+ConnectedGeek> that is what i love about the NewsGang and Gillmor Gang... so many different types of people coming together to talk about everything
[18:21] <+ustreamer-15164> that is, if we posit broadband is a scarce commodity, I wouldn't know, perhaps it can be generated endlessly
[18:21] <+RolfSchewe> tragedy of the commons?
[18:21] <+ustreamer-15164> net congestion? kids dling a big game patch and clogging up the line? can't get your email due to kids?
[18:21] <+ustreamer-15164> that sort of thing
[18:21] <+ustreamer-15164> so what do they bag on you for then Steve, the boys
[18:22] <+ustreamer-15164> where are you points of non-like-mindedness
[18:22] <@stevegillmor> try and keep it clean Katherine
[18:22] <+RolfSchewe> you know all the points of agreement?
[18:22] <+ustreamer-15164> clean? what isn't clean?
[18:22] <@stevegillmor> "the boys" is polemic, and not worth responding to
[18:22] <+ustreamer-15164> It was your word
[18:22] <+RolfSchewe> i don't know everything believes
[18:22] <+ustreamer-15164> I don't use that term "boys' club" because it seems old fashioned
[18:22] <+RolfSchewe> i thought he was for net neutrality
[18:23] <+ustreamer-15164> plenty of girls in the boys' club these days
[18:23] <+ustreamer-15164> well he says against
[18:23] <+ustreamer-15164> go know
[18:23] <+ustreamer-15164> who knew
[18:23] <+RolfSchewe> so much for what you "know"
[18:23] <+ustreamer-15164> I'm sure they're working him over in the back room tho
[18:23] <+ustreamer-15164> he may emerge solidly singing its praises by next Thursday
[18:23] <@stevegillmor> yes, you persist the boys club reference with the boys, don't bullshit a bulshitter
[18:23] <+RolfSchewe> fiction
01[18:23] <+ConnectedGeek> the newsgang has "girls" in it
[18:24] <+ustreamer-15164> well, what would be the appropriate way to call this, ah, network of Silicon Valley tekkies?
[18:24] <+RolfSchewe> it's all fiction steve
[18:24] <+ustreamer-15164> The News Gang?
[18:24] <+ustreamer-15164> somebody should call a show with that name, great name
[18:24] <@stevegillmor> I've been recording for 4 years now, consistent and you can look it up
[18:24] <+RolfSchewe> that means what?
01[18:24] <+ConnectedGeek> where you were today and still located
[18:24] <+WebPixie> what's wrong with the name news gang?
[18:24] <+RolfSchewe> so the title proves your point?
[18:24] <+ustreamer-15164> well I had never heard of you before I saw you in those other Valley influencers twitters, so I will catch up and hear your back issues
[18:24] <+alexbellinger> I think 'people' is the word you're looking for 15164
[18:24] <@theagent> btw: did you see the roll call I did? You responded... how many SF, CA instances showed up?
[18:25] <@stevegillmor> rolf who are u talking to?
[18:25] <+ustreamer-15164> Oh, that doesn't count, the influencers are in the valley, don't count the call-ins from our "far flung correspondents"
[18:25] <+RolfSchewe> to her
[18:25] <+ustreamer-15164> well I think it's good for these guys sort of lumbering around with this tech to be more self aware, to understand how they come across
01[18:25] <+ConnectedGeek> i think he means that NewsGang title says it all
[18:25] <+ustreamer-15164> I think that's a good exercise for them
[18:25] <+RolfSchewe> she is implying that the title of the show means you are part of a club
[18:25] <+WebPixie> oh geez. what counts and what doesn't
01[18:26] <+ConnectedGeek> it is a gang people not "boys"
[18:26] <+ustreamer-15164> I think you make stuff, play with it, and don't realize how you look
[18:26] <@stevegillmor> ?
[18:26] <+ustreamer-15164> Clubs have always been on TV, the talk shows are all kind of clubs, nothing wrong with clubs
[18:26] <+ustreamer-15164> as long as they are self-aware
[18:26] <+ustreamer-15164> not pretending to be empowering the people and all that when they are muting and shutting down the people
[18:26] <+ustreamer-15164> : )
[18:26] <ustreamer-24539> Not realizing how you look. That notion swings both ways.
[18:27] <@stevegillmor> I'm sure I'm not perfect. so what
[18:27] <+RolfSchewe> this conversation is sputtering
[18:27] <+ustreamer-15164> Do you find it all troubling that you are busy interrupting, shutting down, muting, kicking off someone from your show
[18:27] <@stevegillmor> the longer she fillibusters the longer I don't mix the show
01[18:27] <+ConnectedGeek> Steve, Tina still likes you :) and I do too :)
[18:27] <+WebPixie> yes, i think it's time to cure my boredom elsewhere
[18:28] <+ustreamer-15164> when in fact...*drum roll* I may be right about block being the solution to your track issue : )
[18:28] <+RolfSchewe> Prokofy: what is your point on this old boys club/a-list meme?
[18:28] <@stevegillmor> I hope u are believe me
[18:28] <+ustreamer-15164> well if not, you'll get your pals to fix some other command or script or something or third-party api
[18:28] <+ustreamer-15164> not to worry
[18:28] <+RolfSchewe> "pals"?
[18:28] <+ustreamer-15164> symmetrical no-draw will be yours, it's only a matter of time
[18:29] <+ustreamer-15164> My point is that the people making social media are also blending into it certain politics, that it is very political and very intolerant, and the system of friend-only and mute is going to create a very atomized republic
[18:29] <+ustreamer-15164> it's not supposed to do that, so I think it's important to try to keep the tools open for as long as is possible
[18:30] <+ustreamer-15164> Rolf, he said the Twitter dudes were his friends, he can call them up, and get a command dropped in
[18:30] <+ustreamer-15164> Of course, I'm in awe of the power of social media makers!
[18:30] <@TinaGillmor> that's rubbish
[18:30] <@stevegillmor> no didn't say that
[18:30] <+ustreamer-15164> They call each other up and get commands dropped in
[18:30] <+RolfSchewe> that isn't just broad brush
[18:30] <+ustreamer-15164> well he implied that, said you'd call up the guy Ev was it, and tell him, hey, you need to help me get rid of Prokofy
[18:30] <+ustreamer-15164> metaphorically speaking
[18:31] <+ustreamer-15164> and Ev will say "Geez, hell yeah, "everybody" is complaining (like 3 and half Valley listers) " and then -- done!
[18:31] <+ustreamer-15164> : )
[18:31] <@stevegillmor> no you betray an unwillingness to listen
[18:31] <+RolfSchewe> it is flailing, paint everywhere style brush
[18:31] <+ustreamer-15164> No, not flailing, I'm quoting the show?
[18:31] <+ustreamer-15164> he said he will call the guy, and get a command put in to take care of this emblematic Prokofy problem
[18:31] <+RolfSchewe> you think you have a sense of what large groups of people think
[18:31] <@stevegillmor> no you're not. And this is why you troll, by not listening and making same circular arguments over and over
[18:31] <+RolfSchewe> you don't know these people you speak of
[18:32] <+ustreamer-15164> whic his that he wants the track ,but wants to make sure only those who like @stevegillmor or at least conform to his comfort level of criticism are in the stream, and I hear that, I get it, but...I do worry about that as a concept *wedded into the technology*
[18:32] <+ustreamer-15164> can you hear that?
[18:32] <+RolfSchewe> these are caricatures you are trying to create
[18:32] <+ustreamer-15164> well can you hear my concern about you wedding into the technology your personal comfort level?
[18:32] <@stevegillmor> heard it when u said it the first 30 times
[18:32] <+ustreamer-15164> and you find no problem with that?
[18:32] <@stevegillmor> but it is innacurate
[18:32] <+ustreamer-15164> you feel you should "get to do that"
[18:33] <+RolfSchewe> so should he not be able to have spam filters?
[18:33] <@stevegillmor> so what can I say
[18:33] <+ustreamer-15164> Well but Steve, you are identifying a "problem" in need of a "solution" that...no one has been consulted on, agreed about, or been polled on
[18:33] <+ustreamer-15164> it's just your thing, your News Gang thing
[18:33] <@stevegillmor> I have no choice, if I respond you ignore
[18:33] <+ustreamer-15164> is that right?
[18:33] <+jromeh> and rest of us heard only bits and pieces as your desire to "be heard" trumped your ability to listen
[18:33] <+ustreamer-15164> I was interrupted and unable to complete a sentence, because you folks are extremely tribal and self-defensive
[18:33] <+ustreamer-15164> you need to work on that
[18:34] <ustreamer-24539> Projecting.
[18:34] <@stevegillmor> we've had no trouble with dissent up until you
[18:34] <+ustreamer-15164> no reporting
[18:34] <+RolfSchewe> "you folks are tribal"?
01[18:34] <+ConnectedGeek> no you need to listen more
[18:34] <+RolfSchewe> steve pass me a spear
[18:34] <+ustreamer-15164> I guess it's because you never really had anybody outside the bubble?
[18:34] <+ustreamer-15164> but, like Shirky says, "Here Comes Everybody"
[18:34] <@stevegillmor> if the bubble includes logic, correct
[18:34] <+ustreamer-15164> of course, he wants to filter the everybodies too, yeesh
[18:34] <+ustreamer-15164> well logic as you wield it is pretty subjective!
[18:34] <+RolfSchewe> how do you know anyone speaks to?
[18:35] <+RolfSchewe> are you Big Brother incarnate?
[18:35] <+ustreamer-15164> I can't call obvious Marxian views of Lessig without being called a freak -- see Keenan on this!
[18:35] <+ustreamer-15164> no, but you seem to be? trying to control and shape people's expression
[18:35] <@stevegillmor> it;s Keen and I love how you misquote him
[18:35] <@TinaGillmor> it's keen not keenan
[18:35] <+ustreamer-15164> Yes Keen,right
[18:35] <+RolfSchewe> who is trying to control who?
[18:35] <+jromeh> umm... is it time to let the troll talk to their mirror?
[18:36] <+RolfSchewe> that is a strawman argument
[18:36] <+ustreamer-15164> Steev, have you read Keen's essay about Lessig
[18:36] <+ustreamer-15164> please do
[18:36] <+alexbellinger> What do you have against Marx, Prokofy?
[18:36] <@stevegillmor> no, I've talked with him about it
[18:36] <@stevegillmor> some of my friends don't like others of my friends. so what
[18:37] <@theagent> remember, Steve is in the boy's club, so he has martinis with Lessig in the sauna so they can invent new commands for twitter
[18:37] <+RolfSchewe> so much for the lock-step theory
[18:37] <@stevegillmor> jeerrrryyyy asssshhhhhhh
[18:37] <+ustreamer-15164> I think you should discuss it some more, you'd be surprised
[18:37] <+RolfSchewe> so you know what yhey spoke of?
[18:38] <+ustreamer-15164> I think Keen is in a cloud of mutual contact points with you so you have him on "follow" but you don't trust someone else who has some of those contact points like me, so you block, mute, kill off, etc. until you can be sure it's 'acceptable'
[18:38] <@stevegillmor> if you knew Andrew as I do, not likely
[18:38] <+ustreamer-15164> and this is so tribal, really
[18:38] <+ustreamer-15164> well I take his writings at face vallue
[18:38] <+ustreamer-15164> *value
[18:38] <@stevegillmor> Andrew and I are very good friends
[18:38] <@stevegillmor> I don't follow him because I doubt he's on twitter
[18:38] <@TinaGillmor> Steve - you have a call. It's Even Williams. He heard the show and he's already implemented the features you need...cuz you're such good friends
[18:39] <+ustreamer-15164> No people who get work done of the magnitude of writing books generally don't dissipate their writings on Twitter
[18:39] <@stevegillmor> good point
[18:39] <@TinaGillmor> good point?
[18:39] <+ustreamer-15164> So is our headline today then Tina "Ev Hears News Gang Anti-Prokofy Command Wish; Sez "Ur Wish is My Command"
[18:39] <@stevegillmor> unless they consult with their friends while weiting such books
[18:40] <@stevegillmor> here's a word for you ---sarcasm
[18:40] <@TinaGillmor> run with it. See how far it gets you
[18:40] <+ustreamer-15164> I'm skeptical about Twitter as a platform capable of increased productivity, that's not it's use really, it's more about easing the transition in accelerating change
[18:40] <+RolfSchewe> so don't use it
[18:40] <+RolfSchewe> change the channel
[18:41] <@stevegillmor> no such luck rolf
[18:41] <+RolfSchewe> i guess she knows it's true intent
[18:41] <+ustreamer-15164> I don't believe in forced migration plans as social solutions
[18:41] <+RolfSchewe> "that's not it's use really"...
[18:41] <+RolfSchewe> enlighten me, what is it's use?
[18:41] <+ustreamer-15164> well I don't see anyone getting a lot of work done? I see how it is used, which is...to chat
[18:41] <@TinaGillmor> forced migration plans?
[18:41] <+ustreamer-15164> and argue about technology and change and politics
[18:42] <+RolfSchewe> so what?
[18:42] <+ustreamer-15164> Tina, what I mean by that is any call that says "Don't like it, leave"
[18:42] <@stevegillmor> ok off for now jerry will call u voice
[18:42] <@TinaGillmor> why are you on twitter?
[18:42] <+ustreamer-15164> To follow the news? it's my main news source
01[18:42] <+ConnectedGeek> she has been trying to get attention for over 2 hours... and we keep feeding it to her... so i am changing the channel now
[18:42] <+ustreamer-15164> and to take part in the big conversation
[18:42] <+ustreamer-15164> I don't try to get attention, I have no need for it, I just converse with people if they type back, no one twisting your arm
01[18:42] <+ConnectedGeek> however... i am still logging :)
[18:43] <@TinaGillmor> I actually have children to feed now
[18:43] <+jromeh> it's to show her "concern"
[18:43] <+ustreamer-15164> I didn't look at Twitter for weeks at a time tho, it is more interesting these days
[18:43] <+alexbellinger> I'm available for the next 11 hours. I want to see who falls asleep first. Me or Prokofy.
[18:43] <+ustreamer-15164> I have two kids too Tiny, don't mommyblog me to death please : )
[18:43] <@TinaGillmor> oh there's that "I'm only typing" thing again
[18:44] <+Jari_Ra> @15164 What do you do for living...?
[18:44] <@TinaGillmor> I'm no mommyblogger -
[18:44] <+ustreamer-15164> Tina, I hardly think that if I sought attention, I'd sit on my computer and talk to a dozen people after your show, doesn't seem like a big bang for the buck?
[18:44] <+ustreamer-15164> I'm a Russian translator
[18:44] <+ustreamer-15164> micromommyblogger then!
[18:44] <+ustreamer-15164> : )
[18:44] <@TinaGillmor> I know you don't like mommybloggers
[18:45] <+ustreamer-15164> Well Tina, let me say, there are a lot more people more like me than not, outside your tech bubble, and if you want to have a diverse show, well, you will have to stop muting, and getting so allergenic to 4 pieces of Twitter
[18:45] <@TinaGillmor> you talk about how they have "no content"
[18:45] <+ustreamer-15164> I mean, you , as in the collective you with your show, it's your hubbie that had the allergy
[18:45] <+ustreamer-15164> he sneezes, you pull out your kleenex
[18:45] <+ustreamer-15164> well I find them sort of sad, I feel they are being exploited
[18:46] <+ustreamer-15164> they pour out their hearts and their data is scraped and they are sold to
[18:46] <@TinaGillmor> you don't know me or what I do
[18:46] <+ustreamer-15164> male geeks sort of pat them on their head
[18:46] <+ustreamer-15164> no, and you don't know me either hon
[18:46] <+ustreamer-15164> why do you feel the need to be so aggressive? so defensive?
[18:46] <+ustreamer-15164> if you a talk show, talk
[18:46] <+Jari_Ra> @15164 What would be your ideal world like...?
[18:46] <@TinaGillmor> don't call me hon. Like I said you don't know me.
[18:46] <+ustreamer-15164> then, when you are done, or have a time limit, say bye!
[18:46] <+ustreamer-15164> that's all
[18:47] <+ustreamer-15164> People who say "you don't know me" tend to be of the hon variety in their touchiness : )
[18:47] <+RolfSchewe> Later everyone. I don't have much more to say. Was fun.
[18:47] <+ustreamer-15164> Jari I don't prescribe ideal worlds
[18:47] <+ustreamer-15164> The platforms, the world making should be agnostic to types of worlds, so there is room for pluralism
[18:47] <@TinaGillmor> off to be a mommyblogger in my kitchen
[18:47] <+ustreamer-15164> bye
[19:04] <+Jari_Ra> Thanks for today, see you tomorrow...