NewsGang and Gillmor Gang IRC Transcripts for 07/07/2008

Gillmor Gang 07.07.08

NewsGang Live 07.07.08

Session Start: Mon Jul 07 00:00:02 2008
Session Ident: #newsgang-live
2008/07/07 [13:39] <+kshep> hey
2008/07/07 [13:40] <+kshep> Thought I'd pass this along...
2008/07/07 [13:40] <+kshep> David Plouffe just emailed me. He says "I wanted you to be the first to hear the news."...not sure why, but, whatever, you know
2008/07/07 [13:41] <+kshep> Somthing about Barack Obama accepting the nom in front of 75K at some open air event.
2008/07/07 [13:41] <+kshep> Not sure why Obama's campaign manager would want me to be the first to know, but... whatever.
2008/07/07 [13:42] <+kshep> Also, I just won the lottery in Namibia
2008/07/07 [13:47] <@TinaGillmor> thanks Jerry
2008/07/07 [13:47] <@theagent> just a minute... just waiting for the call in invite
2008/07/07 [13:47] <@TinaGillmor> ------Start GG Monday July 7, 2008 -----
2008/07/07 [13:49] <+kshep> should we be able to hear anything, Jerry?
2008/07/07 [13:50] <+kshep> cool
2008/07/07 [13:50] <@TinaGillmor> on line Robert Scoble, Hugh MacLeod
2008/07/07 [13:52] <+kshep> As opposed to Twitter of FF?
2008/07/07 [13:53] <+kshep> Must be nice to have no responsibilities to people asking you for thinkgs.
2008/07/07 [13:54] <+JacobMorgan> create gmail "labels"
2008/07/07 [13:55] <+kshep> or filming everything they do with their N95
2008/07/07 [13:55] <+donbonaddio> yeah, then there's the rest of us that don't hyper blog/twit/ff/nameyourlookatmeclient
2008/07/07 [13:55] <+gully666uk> its nice to get away from the net and turn off the mobile phone
2008/07/07 [13:55] <+andrewhyde> hello everyone
2008/07/07 [13:55] <+JacobMorgan> hey andrew
2008/07/07 [13:55] <@TinaGillmor> West Texas is not the Modern World apparently
2008/07/07 [13:55] <+gully666uk> hello folks
2008/07/07 [13:56] <+JacobMorgan> i remember that cartoon hugh
2008/07/07 [13:56] <@TinaGillmor> tweet link http://ustream.tv/channel/NewsGang-Live ... invite your friends
2008/07/07 [13:56] <+JacobMorgan> can hugh, scoble, et al see the chat or they just on the phone?
2008/07/07 [13:57] <+kshep> Hugh and Robert typically can't/don't
2008/07/07 [13:57] <+JacobMorgan> ah ok
2008/07/07 [13:57] <@TinaGillmor> not sure they are on the chat.... Robert sounds like he might be on the road
2008/07/07 [13:57] <+kshep> Steve sees it.
2008/07/07 [13:59] <@TinaGillmor> note to self... make a "do not care" symbol for the show
2008/07/07 [13:59] <@TinaGillmor> Steve' got the chat in front of him and reads it as he does the show
2008/07/07 [13:59] <+kshep> Because there's just not enough noise on FF.
2008/07/07 [14:00] <+jromeh> working in a suburb of Chicago, what's your point/
2008/07/07 [14:00] <+jromeh> ?
2008/07/07 [14:00] <+kshep> Just realized?
2008/07/07 [14:00] <+donbonaddio> please pick a topic
2008/07/07 [14:00] <+MikeGalos> Scoble does have a tolerance for noise
2008/07/07 [14:01] <+kshep> What are you saying, Hugh? ;-)
2008/07/07 [14:01] <+michaelocc> Here's a topic: how about someone re-bakes Twitter (or a Twitter clone) as a P2P torrent-like model
2008/07/07 [14:01] <+jromeh> right, don't care anymore, but someone's not someone unless they have a blog?
2008/07/07 [14:01] <+michaelocc> One were every Twitter user is also a small Twitter server
2008/07/07 [14:02] <+kshep> identi.ca's a step in that direction, michaelocc
2008/07/07 [14:02] <+michaelocc> @kshep agreed. Open-sourcing is a good first step.
2008/07/07 [14:02] <+kshep> set up your own laconica server, everybody points to everybody elses account
2008/07/07 [14:02] <@theagent> don't worry identi.ca is going to be a force to be reckoned with
2008/07/07 [14:02] <+michaelocc> But is it cloud-architected?
2008/07/07 [14:03] <+kshep> definitely not
2008/07/07 [14:03] <@theagent> they had replies... just not a tab
2008/07/07 [14:03] <+donbonaddio> so you measure success by followers, i get it
2008/07/07 [14:04] <+mterenzio> 25% of my incoming are from identi.ca
2008/07/07 [14:04] <@theagent> identi.ca is getting steam.. dev community is pulling in some heavyweights
2008/07/07 [14:05] <+michaelocc> Thanks for the reminder, btw. Read about identi.ca at the w/end. Just signed up.
2008/07/07 [14:05] <@TinaGillmor> Gabe is a sweetheart
2008/07/07 [14:05] <+andrewhyde> Kathy is fantastic
2008/07/07 [14:05] <+JacobMorgan-1> social media = cliche
2008/07/07 [14:06] <+kshep> Anybody ever think you're Michael Tuttle, michaelocc? :-)
2008/07/07 [14:06] <+JacobMorgan-1> lol I have jacob morgan and jacob morgan -1- in here wtf?
2008/07/07 [14:07] <+kshep> Yes, there are many buzzwords.
2008/07/07 [14:07] <+kshep> I think it's called "linguistics"
2008/07/07 [14:07] <+donbonaddio> what are we talking about
2008/07/07 [14:08] <+kshep> TWitter's been up since they took it down last Thu to prep for the weekend
2008/07/07 [14:08] <+donbonaddio> twitter's just fine
2008/07/07 [14:08] <+jromeh> is there track on FF?
2008/07/07 [14:08] <+kshep> no
2008/07/07 [14:08] <+kshep> nor is there IM
2008/07/07 [14:08] <+michaelocc> @kshep nope. Not sure who that is.
2008/07/07 [14:08] <+donbonaddio> hey, talk about the new client TweetDeck
2008/07/07 [14:08] <+codebear> ugh - lose the swirling background - all it's causing is unecessary frame changes
2008/07/07 [14:09] <+jromeh> rhetorical ? kshep, and thanks ;)
2008/07/07 [14:09] <+kshep> The Tuttle family runs Orange County Choppers (OCC). They have a TV show
2008/07/07 [14:09] <+michaelocc> ah
2008/07/07 [14:09] <+michaelocc> heh
2008/07/07 [14:09] <+michaelocc> no - that's not a mistake anyone could ever make.
2008/07/07 [14:09] <+kshep> michael occ
2008/07/07 [14:09] <+kshep> :-)
2008/07/07 [14:09] <+JacobMorgan-1> hahahahahaha
2008/07/07 [14:09] <+donbonaddio> nice
2008/07/07 [14:09] <+connectedgeek-1> i love the twitter whale
2008/07/07 [14:09] <+donbonaddio> hey, bring the whale back
2008/07/07 [14:09] <+kshep> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Teutul
2008/07/07 [14:11] <+kshep> http://parand.com/say/index.php/2008/04/29/twitter-use-on-the-rise-in-iran/
2008/07/07 [14:11] <+Jbordeaux> Or Iran doesn't track these things as well as China
2008/07/07 [14:12] <+kshep> Strange to be scrolling down a thread on FF in English and see a random Farsi comment
2008/07/07 [14:12] <+kshep> rooms are track
2008/07/07 [14:12] <+kshep> rooms are tags
2008/07/07 [14:12] <+dahowlett> I use rooms as a sort of Google Groups proxy
2008/07/07 [14:12] <+kshep> same here
2008/07/07 [14:12] <+pplpwrd> I don't use rooms either.
2008/07/07 [14:12] <+kshep> there's an identica room, for example.
2008/07/07 [14:13] <+michaeln> no twitter in iran? come on
2008/07/07 [14:13] <+kshep> posting to a room is like tagging
2008/07/07 [14:13] <+pplpwrd> I've had conversations with folks from Iran thanks to Robert's wife. I see huge opp for using socnets to facilitate bridging language barrier
2008/07/07 [14:13] <@TinaGillmor> ooops dor is usually closed
2008/07/07 [14:14] <+kshep> http://friendfeed.com/kshep/discussion
2008/07/07 [14:14] <+kshep> all the stuff I've liked or have commented on
2008/07/07 [14:15] <+kshep> that's how I track my conversations on FF
2008/07/07 [14:15] <+codebear> thwirl is German
2008/07/07 [14:15] <+kshep> tool tips
2008/07/07 [14:15] <+kshep> float over the comment
2008/07/07 [14:15] <+pplpwrd> they tested timestamps a couple days ago
2008/07/07 [14:15] <+pplpwrd> then nixed them.
2008/07/07 [14:15] <+pplpwrd> are they back kshep?
2008/07/07 [14:15] <+kshep> oh... hah. nope :-)
2008/07/07 [14:16] <+kshep> FF has thrown away 20 years of lessons learned from Usenet, phpBB, vBulletin, etc.
2008/07/07 [14:16] <+donbonaddio> you're right kshep
2008/07/07 [14:16] <+kshep> re threaded conversations on the internet
2008/07/07 [14:16] <+donbonaddio> simple and it works
2008/07/07 [14:16] <@theagent> current counters at identi.ca users: 11977 messages: 42500 connections: 51501
2008/07/07 [14:16] <+kshep> or doesn't, depending on your perspective
2008/07/07 [14:16] <+pplpwrd> don't need to search. just view on all your comments
2008/07/07 [14:17] <+pplpwrd> then search to find all instances of yourname/handle
2008/07/07 [14:17] <+kshep> none of this is intuitive to the new user, btw. learning curve is horrible
2008/07/07 [14:17] <+pplpwrd> pretty much same as I do w. @replies and summize search on Twitter
2008/07/07 [14:17] <@theagent> that of course does not include federated laconi.ca sites
2008/07/07 [14:18] <+kshep> there are 16 threads for the same original post
2008/07/07 [14:18] <+pplpwrd> how many federated sites are up so far?
2008/07/07 [14:18] <+kshep> many of them from the same person
2008/07/07 [14:18] <+kshep> e.g. Arrington
2008/07/07 [14:18] <+kshep> yep
2008/07/07 [14:18] <@TinaGillmor> Steve makes some good points, re: ff
2008/07/07 [14:18] <+kshep> and horribly inefficient
2008/07/07 [14:18] <@theagent> there are currently 14 running federated laconi.ca servers
2008/07/07 [14:18] <+kshep> yes, Tina
2008/07/07 [14:18] <@TinaGillmor> I have yet to hear why I should get on it
2008/07/07 [14:18] <+jromeh> sorta like a tinyurl link to a tweet
2008/07/07 [14:19] <+kshep> FF? no reason. unless you're looking for random new stuff to follow
2008/07/07 [14:19] <+MikeGalos> Geeks read manuals, that's part of what makes us geeks
2008/07/07 [14:19] <+kshep> you must be a different kind of geek, Mike ;-)
2008/07/07 [14:19] <+donbonaddio> weird that the founders came from google where intuitive is the rule
2008/07/07 [14:19] <+jromeh> lotsa different sorts of geeks, apparently
2008/07/07 [14:19] <+pplpwrd> I completely disagree
2008/07/07 [14:19] <+pplpwrd> Steve
2008/07/07 [14:19] <+michaelocc> Steve, Robert - can you guys wake me up when you get to the interesting bit?
2008/07/07 [14:20] <+kshep> if your service needs a one hour conversation with Scoble to learn how to use... fail, eh?
2008/07/07 [14:20] <+MikeGalos> I've always been a different kind of something or other, kshep
2008/07/07 [14:20] <+kshep> you don't need to f%
2008/07/07 [14:20] <+donbonaddio> how do you define "a lot of people"?
2008/07/07 [14:20] <+kshep> f5
2008/07/07 [14:20] <+pplpwrd> refresh, scrol scroll scroll, refresh
2008/07/07 [14:20] <+kshep> it refreshes itself
2008/07/07 [14:21] <+pplpwrd> kshep - yeah, but not fast enough :)
2008/07/07 [14:21] <+kshep> Everybody on FF is pretty much on another service by definition, aren't they?
2008/07/07 [14:21] <+jromeh> F5=Refresh, an IBM CUA standard from the '80s
2008/07/07 [14:21] <+kshep> preselected user base
2008/07/07 [14:21] <+kshep> yeup
2008/07/07 [14:21] <+kshep> yeup
2008/07/07 [14:22] <+Jbordeaux> "convince people to use social media who wouldn't usually?" Why not focus on how they might connect, instead of making use of social media the goal?
2008/07/07 [14:22] <+donbonaddio> sheesh
2008/07/07 [14:22] <+kshep> expert users rarely recognized novice usability issues
2008/07/07 [14:22] <+kshep> how does hitting f5 make the site usable?
2008/07/07 [14:22] <+donbonaddio> "works for me"
2008/07/07 [14:22] <+kshep> looking at it more often makes it useable?
2008/07/07 [14:22] <+donbonaddio> nobody will see it
2008/07/07 [14:23] <+pplpwrd> Steve. Your ignorance on FF is laughable. It's not the technology, features, or lack thereof, it's the evolving community that matters most. Twitter, Friendfeed, whatever. I could care less which system prevails.
2008/07/07 [14:23] <+Jbordeaux> agree, focus on the evolving community. Excellent.
2008/07/07 [14:23] <+kshep> hah
2008/07/07 [14:23] <+kshep> nice
2008/07/07 [14:24] <+kshep> it's all the same people
2008/07/07 [14:24] <+kshep> they're the same poeple who are on twitter
2008/07/07 [14:24] <+kshep> it's just easier to add "Yeah, I agree LOL" on FF
2008/07/07 [14:24] <+pplpwrd> sure. it's an echo chamber
2008/07/07 [14:24] <+pplpwrd> which is why they need better semantic filters.
2008/07/07 [14:24] <+pplpwrd> FF makes me smarter
2008/07/07 [14:25] <+kshep> cost / benefit isn't favorable on FF
2008/07/07 [14:25] <+treeshapiro> thought he was giving us a break
2008/07/07 [14:25] <+pplpwrd> I stopped using Twitter clients because of their API issues.
2008/07/07 [14:25] <+pplpwrd> I've lost out on a lot of conversations because of Twitter's instability
2008/07/07 [14:25] <+kshep> there's been no end of suggestions on FF UI improvements
2008/07/07 [14:25] <+kshep> no visibility into FF's feature plans, however
2008/07/07 [14:25] <+connectedgeek-1> wow 32 people in the chat and 29 viewers
2008/07/07 [14:26] <+kshep> time for the FF guys to come on the show again, Steve
2008/07/07 [14:26] <+pplpwrd> there's a room for that steve
2008/07/07 [14:26] <+treeshapiro> people want to see hm
2008/07/07 [14:26] <+kshep> time to write a standalone FF client
2008/07/07 [14:26] <+KevM> FF needs an XMPP notification mechanism?
2008/07/07 [14:26] <+treeshapiro> not to mention scoble's empire shirt
2008/07/07 [14:26] <+kshep> HEY... what does Scoble think of NoiseRiver?
2008/07/07 [14:27] <+codebear> people-powered
2008/07/07 [14:27] <+kshep> bah
2008/07/07 [14:27] <+treeshapiro> have a drink on me
2008/07/07 [14:27] <+kshep> Shel ISrael
2008/07/07 [14:27] <+treeshapiro> O R you?
2008/07/07 [14:28] <+treeshapiro> shactly
2008/07/07 [14:28] <+kshep> FF is a very interesting prototype.
2008/07/07 [14:28] <+treeshapiro> yeah man
2008/07/07 [14:28] <+TheGeekGiant> Oh, wow. That's a great way of putting it.
2008/07/07 [14:28] <+KevM> Mass adoption of FF using a polling client like Twirl will bring it to its knees (like Twitter has)
2008/07/07 [14:28] <+treeshapiro> how fast?
2008/07/07 [14:28] <+treeshapiro> #alpine
2008/07/07 [14:28] <+treeshapiro> on your bike mr
2008/07/07 [14:28] <+treeshapiro> hahhahhhahahhahahaaaa!
2008/07/07 [14:29] <+treeshapiro> oh please
2008/07/07 [14:29] <+treeshapiro> big ones
2008/07/07 [14:29] <+kshep> NGL at 1, Tina?
2008/07/07 [14:29] <+treeshapiro> your dad says 6
2008/07/07 [14:29] <@TinaGillmor> yes kshep
2008/07/07 [14:29] <+michaeln> heh
2008/07/07 [14:29] <+kshep> cool. seeya then
2008/07/07 [14:29] <@TinaGillmor> great
2008/07/07 [14:30] <+treeshapiro> "hiatus"
2008/07/07 [14:30] <+kshep> 20-30 min is a great length for GG ;-)
2008/07/07 [14:30] <+treeshapiro> yeah?
2008/07/07 [14:30] <+Jbordeaux> not be confused with "hiatal"
2008/07/07 [14:30] <+treeshapiro> whoa
2008/07/07 [14:30] <@TinaGillmor> seems we're going a little long today
2008/07/07 [14:30] <+treeshapiro> cry me a <censored> river you hypocrite
2008/07/07 [14:30] <+michaeln> heh
2008/07/07 [14:31] <+michaeln> cheetos
2008/07/07 [14:31] <+treeshapiro> and calling people drunk at 3 am and threatening their children is fine?
2008/07/07 [14:31] <+treeshapiro> oh i get it
2008/07/07 [14:31] <+michaeln> likes sunsets
2008/07/07 [14:31] <+treeshapiro> pants on fire
2008/07/07 [14:32] <+michaeln> #alpine
2008/07/07 [14:32] <+treeshapiro> "beauty" quote unquote
2008/07/07 [14:32] <+KevM> no abilty to ignore people in this chat?
2008/07/07 [14:32] <+michaeln> social objects
2008/07/07 [14:32] <+treeshapiro> binge more like
2008/07/07 [14:32] <+michaeln> haze
2008/07/07 [14:32] <+treeshapiro> oh?
2008/07/07 [14:32] <+michaeln> super ego
2008/07/07 [14:32] <+treeshapiro> hahhahhahhahahahaahhahhahaa!
2008/07/07 [14:32] <+Jbordeaux> No, but you can private message people...
2008/07/07 [14:33] <+KevM> heh, that doesn't solve the problem does it.
2008/07/07 [14:33] <+treeshapiro> crowd roars in aproval (at harry's bar)
2008/07/07 [14:33] <+Jbordeaux> Most likely would make it worse...
2008/07/07 [14:33] <+treeshapiro> thinking of starting a family?
2008/07/07 [14:33] <+treeshapiro> y'all?
2008/07/07 [14:34] <+treeshapiro> diminishing..... ja
2008/07/07 [14:34] <+michaeln> heh
2008/07/07 [14:34] <+treeshapiro> and dad's couch is pre-tty uncomfortable
2008/07/07 [14:34] <+treeshapiro> ripping people off? results more like that?
2008/07/07 [14:35] <+treeshapiro> serena
2008/07/07 [14:35] <+treeshapiro> oh enough with the <censored> social media
2008/07/07 [14:35] <+jromeh> even people in suburbs of Chicago?
2008/07/07 [14:35] <+treeshapiro> me and scoble - otis elevator alert
2008/07/07 [14:35] <+treeshapiro> deep person!
2008/07/07 [14:37] <+treeshapiro> so, let me get this straight. hugh is offended by mean memes, yet he erases (or tries to) all his nasty mean spirited cruel child attacking tweets? do i have that right so far?
2008/07/07 [14:38] <+amyloo> tree you're spoiling this event for me, not asking you to stop, just fyi
2008/07/07 [14:38] <+treeshapiro> point taken
2008/07/07 [14:38] <+michaeln> plz, this is the conversation
2008/07/07 [14:38] <+michaeln> no kidding?
2008/07/07 [14:38] <+treeshapiro> omg, this is hard
2008/07/07 [14:38] <+michaeln> been through the desert
2008/07/07 [14:38] <+treeshapiro> spurs
2008/07/07 [14:39] <+donbonaddio> proof that social media allows anyone to reach awareness
2008/07/07 [14:39] <+michaeln> rock on
2008/07/07 [14:39] <+treeshapiro> it felt good to get out of the rein
2008/07/07 [14:40] <+donbonaddio> ng chat rules :)
2008/07/07 [14:40] <+michaeln> he just bailed
2008/07/07 [14:40] <@TinaGillmor> lost Hughs call... that's a wrap
2008/07/07 [14:40] <+treeshapiro> amy loo, i appologize, but i feel that if you just let the <censored> slide, what good are you?
2008/07/07 [14:40] <@TinaGillmor> thanks everyone.... see you at 1pm for NewsGang Live
2008/07/07 [14:42] <+treeshapiro> i'm allowed to have an opinion, yeah? if it's too annoying for everyone here - vote on it and i will never comment if that is the consensus.
2008/07/07 [14:42] <+treeshapiro> fair enough?
2008/07/07 [14:43] <@stevegillmor> tree you are free to say anything you want
2008/07/07 [14:43] <+treeshapiro> appreciate it, boss
2008/07/07 [14:43] <+Jbordeaux> Something between never and near-constant stream would be my vote.
2008/07/07 [14:43] <@stevegillmor> as is amyloo or any of us
2008/07/07 [14:43] <+connectedgeek-1> fyi... the chat transcript is archived here: http://gang.connectedgeek.net/node/78
2008/07/07 [14:44] <+kshep> wait a second... this is ON THE RECORD?!?
2008/07/07 [14:45] <+kshep> oh <censored>
2008/07/07 [14:45] <+connectedgeek-1> sorry
2008/07/07 [14:45] <+treeshapiro> if everyone was "nice", which is something people who worship at the cult of niceness fount, then no one would be "nice". niceness would cease to exist.
2008/07/07 [14:45] <+connectedgeek-1> it has been for 3 months
2008/07/07 [14:46] <+treeshapiro> (....cult of niceness fount Want)
2008/07/07 [14:46] <+Jbordeaux> No problem with the content, tree, I was more distracted by the near-real time commentary. Pithiness is a virtue
2008/07/07 [14:46] <+treeshapiro> yeah i guts my pith helmet on
2008/07/07 [14:47] <+rickmurtagh> jerry - your wife sell all her paintings at a gallery? your mug is not nearly as good to look at :)
2008/07/07 [14:47] <+kshep> I remember the day Google bought DejaNews and everything I'd written on Usenet back in the 80s suddenly became searchable
2008/07/07 [14:47] <+kshep> sort of a shock :-)
2008/07/07 [14:47] <+treeshapiro> an ad man is an ad man is an ad man
2008/07/07 [14:48] <@theagent> rickmurtagh, moved into an actual office in Beverly Hills... sorry for upsetting your viewing pleasure
2008/07/07 [14:49] <+treeshapiro> mn: how's the lang lessons goin?
2008/07/07 [14:49] <+connectedgeek-1> well my little chat transcript is not DejaNews :) but it is searchable :)
2008/07/07 [14:49] <+rickmurtagh> what?!?!? no fountain either?!?!? OMG
2008/07/07 [14:49] <+rickmurtagh> gz - for me it settled life a bit to seperate home and work - although i enjoy working at home every now and then
2008/07/07 [14:51] <+kshep> RE irony, my first recorded public comment on the internet: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.shuttle/msg/85f38bdfb0d091b0
2008/07/07 [14:51] <+connectedgeek-1> @kshep... actually I am trying to get mIRC to feed my drupal site directly and then RSS
2008/07/07 [14:51] <+connectedgeek-1> it
2008/07/07 [14:52] <+connectedgeek-1> wow 1988
2008/07/07 [14:52] <+kshep> actually... found one older. Man, I was a <censored>. http://groups.google.com/group/sci.space.shuttle/msg/783245952de93e54?dmode=source
2008/07/07 [14:52] <+connectedgeek-1> bulletin boards, gopher, etc... :)
2008/07/07 [14:53] <+kshep> the web will eventually devolve back into gopher
2008/07/07 [14:53] <+rickmurtagh> i still have several bbses i ran on disk - 5.25" ones - laf
2008/07/07 [14:53] <+connectedgeek-1> hehe
2008/07/07 [14:55] <+treeshapiro> dylan would have been so much better if he were only "nicer"
2008/07/07 [14:55] <+kshep> and could sing
2008/07/07 [14:55] <+Jbordeaux> ugh! Just searched and found my first post also. 1993. Pontificated I did.
2008/07/07 [14:55] <+treeshapiro> hey! i bet you like robert smith better
2008/07/07 [14:55] <+shareme> no no gopher, gophe ri sevil :)
2008/07/07 [14:55] <+jromeh> again and again and again and again
2008/07/07 [14:55] <+kshep> My first blog post a couple years back was an opology and disclaimer everything I'd said online cincd '88
2008/07/07 [14:56] <+treeshapiro> is this the cure? (rhetorical)
2008/07/07 [14:56] <+kshep> Maybe I'll do a sort of memorial and just start doing a "20 years ago today on usenet" retrospecitve
2008/07/07 [14:56] <+jromeh> have this on import 45
2008/07/07 [14:57] <+kshep> jeez... 1988 was 20 years ago
2008/07/07 [14:57] <+kshep> <censored>
2008/07/07 [14:57] <+connectedgeek-1> time flys when your having fun :)
2008/07/07 [14:57] <+kshep> gone gone gone
2008/07/07 [14:58] <+connectedgeek-1> gone baby gone :)
2008/07/07 [15:06] <+Jbordeaux> gee kshep, just found a social media site just for over-40 somethings... something for everyone.
2008/07/07 [15:08] <+kshep> and you're telling me because...? :-)
2008/07/07 [15:10] <+connectedgeek-1> http://www.tbd.com/ this one?
2008/07/07 [15:12] <+Jbordeaux> that would be the one, yes. And, er, no reason...
2008/07/07 [15:12] <+Jbordeaux> No idea if it's useful, didn't want to be an ad man... :)
2008/07/07 [15:13] <+connectedgeek-1> Jerry, you should have the song title and artist displayed on the screen... you are a wizard with everything else :)
2008/07/07 [15:13] <+kshep> you could scrape this: http://www.radioparadise.com/content.php?name=Playlist
2008/07/07 [15:14] <+connectedgeek-1> will camtwist feed that?
2008/07/07 [15:14] <@theagent> it does..
2008/07/07 [15:15] <+connectedgeek-1> guess i need to play with that :)
2008/07/07 [15:19] <+connectedgeek-1> sweet
2008/07/07 [15:20] <+kshep> nice
2008/07/07 [15:29] <+shareme> hmm that did not tak elong almost 100 folowers with identi.ca
2008/07/07 [15:30] <+kshep> well, the folks over there are probably pretty dedicated
2008/07/07 [15:31] <+shareme> FF added a chcoie to add in identi.ca thi smorning
2008/07/07 [15:31] <+kshep> would be nice if they could scan existing "Blog" entries and convert them
2008/07/07 [15:32] <+kshep> what's your id on identica, sharemE?
2008/07/07 [15:32] <+shareme> you mean parse?
2008/07/07 [15:32] <+shareme> shareme
2008/07/07 [15:32] <+kshep> parse, scan... just go through all the identica feeds folks have added as "Blog" feeds and change their type
2008/07/07 [15:33] <+shareme> ah
2008/07/07 [15:41] <+kshep> You suppose I could make a living cross-posting links to FF convos on the same URL?
2008/07/07 [15:53] <+shareme> google parody http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhsjEVFU6_0
2008/07/07 [15:59] <@TinaGillmor> WE'LL BE STARTING ANY MINUTE
2008/07/07 [15:59] <@TinaGillmor> sorry... caps were on by mistake
2008/07/07 [16:00] <+shareme> we just assume dyou were yeallign at the twitter bird :0
2008/07/07 [16:02] <@TinaGillmor> no Francine?
2008/07/07 [16:03] <+Jbordeaux> Isn't it sort of contrived, though?
2008/07/07 [16:03] <+Jbordeaux> It's one thing to see crowds flock to him, it's another to assume rock star status.
2008/07/07 [16:03] <+jromeh> Jeff Tweedy & Otis Rush at Park West... in Chicago!
2008/07/07 [16:03] <+jromeh> was invited, $250 for "Friend" and $500 for a reserved seat
2008/07/07 [16:05] <+jromeh> Park West is a 600 seat showcase theater, Obama will be there with Tweedy & Rush
2008/07/07 [16:06] <+jromeh> "Jeff Tweedy and Friends" - so he'll have collaboraters
2008/07/07 [16:09] <+kshep> Gallup Daily Tracking: Obama 47, McCain 43
2008/07/07 [16:10] <+Jbordeaux> What did the Kerry numbers show in July 04
2008/07/07 [16:11] <+alexbellinger> Dead certs are losers.
2008/07/07 [16:12] <+kshep> looking them up :-)
2008/07/07 [16:12] <+kshep> July 2004....
2008/07/07 [16:12] <+kshep> ...The CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll finds 55 percent of Americans feel less safe from terror because of the war in Iraq.
2008/07/07 [16:13] <+kshep> ...The president's job approval stand at 47 percent and his personal approval at 52 percent
2008/07/07 [16:13] <+Jbordeaux> What of disruptive events? Iraq, Israeli strike on Iran, etc.? You don't think the scare machine will kick in?
2008/07/07 [16:13] <+shareme> heh
2008/07/07 [16:13] <+donbonaddio> still early, focus on election will begin Sept
2008/07/07 [16:14] <+kshep> In July 2004, Kerry/Bush were tied 47/47
2008/07/07 [16:14] <+Abierto_cc> what the flock?
2008/07/07 [16:14] <+kshep> well, Bush 46, Kerry 47
2008/07/07 [16:14] <+donbonaddio> uses firefox engine
2008/07/07 [16:14] <+kshep> http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/special/polls/index.html
2008/07/07 [16:14] <+Abierto_cc> like it but it does not work... hmmm
2008/07/07 [16:14] <+shareme> flaock ahs problems with flash onWIndows but not onLinux
2008/07/07 [16:14] <+connectedgeek-1> http://flock.com/
2008/07/07 [16:14] <+connectedgeek-1> here is it
2008/07/07 [16:14] <+kshep> Firefox with a bunch of chrome on it
2008/07/07 [16:15] <+kshep> sidebar add-ins for a bunch of social networks
2008/07/07 [16:15] <+kshep> embedded twhirl ;-)
2008/07/07 [16:15] <+kshep> no, they use the current FF engine
2008/07/07 [16:15] <+treeshapiro> spork
2008/07/07 [16:15] <+kshep> I'm on the call, but typing is oddly easier :-)
2008/07/07 [16:16] <+donbonaddio> it has been updated to ff3
2008/07/07 [16:16] <+shareme> you can load mysocial24x& into ff3 and have the same stuff
2008/07/07 [16:16] <+Abierto_cc> delusional if they think it can't get worse
2008/07/07 [16:17] <+donbonaddio> boom in december after election
2008/07/07 [16:17] <+Abierto_cc> you haven't seen the bottom of the tank yet
2008/07/07 [16:17] <+donbonaddio> marked doesn't like uncertainty
2008/07/07 [16:17] <+donbonaddio> market*
2008/07/07 [16:17] <+Abierto_cc> @donbon... boomlet
2008/07/07 [16:17] <+alexbellinger> how long will obama have to pull the US out of recession after being elected? More than 4 years?
2008/07/07 [16:17] <+Abierto_cc> a litle bounce of optimism in january then down into the <censored> even more
2008/07/07 [16:17] <+donbonaddio> @Abierto_cc should last a year
2008/07/07 [16:18] <+donbonaddio> at least
2008/07/07 [16:18] <+donbonaddio> but what do i know :-)
2008/07/07 [16:18] <+Abierto_cc> won't settle out until all the boomer retirement investment has been swept off the table by the plutocrats (or the mickeycrats)
2008/07/07 [16:18] <+treeshapiro> parking in goofy
2008/07/07 [16:19] <+Abierto_cc> E ticket ... hold on
2008/07/07 [16:19] <+donbonaddio> i hear you, still a lot of money on the sidelines right now
2008/07/07 [16:19] <+donbonaddio> funds gotta make money
2008/07/07 [16:19] <+treeshapiro> we used to have to walk 5 miles to school in my day
2008/07/07 [16:19] <+Abierto_cc> up hill
2008/07/07 [16:19] <+treeshapiro> both ways
2008/07/07 [16:19] <+shareme> yes
2008/07/07 [16:19] <+Abierto_cc> :-)
2008/07/07 [16:19] <+rickmurtagh> carrying the buss
2008/07/07 [16:19] <+Jbordeaux> How is he defining depression? We have 5.5% unemployed, not 20%
2008/07/07 [16:19] <+treeshapiro> carrying yokes of milk
2008/07/07 [16:20] <+donbonaddio> recession at worst
2008/07/07 [16:20] <+treeshapiro> i'm sure as <censored> depressed
2008/07/07 [16:20] <+donbonaddio> you guz on the phone are gloom and doom
2008/07/07 [16:20] <+Abierto_cc> 5.5% unemployed plus a lot of deluded "enmtrepreneurs" on the sidelines who aren't being counted
2008/07/07 [16:20] <+hardaway-1> Okay. I'm live (without audio) at stealthmode
2008/07/07 [16:20] <+Abierto_cc> and 20% underemployment in the burger and walmart industry
2008/07/07 [16:20] <+treeshapiro> yeah, c'mon get happy - show some enthusiasm - we need a tony robbins injection
2008/07/07 [16:21] <+treeshapiro> omg!
2008/07/07 [16:21] <+donbonaddio> i see you
2008/07/07 [16:21] <+Abierto_cc> agreed
2008/07/07 [16:21] <+treeshapiro> lipstick?
2008/07/07 [16:21] <+treeshapiro> looking good francy!
2008/07/07 [16:21] <+Abierto_cc> the pre-retired
2008/07/07 [16:21] <+Abierto_cc> yes
2008/07/07 [16:21] <+hardaway-1> Thanks!
2008/07/07 [16:22] <+shareme> Bush adkjusted you stop getting counted beofer ue benefits runout
2008/07/07 [16:22] <+Jbordeaux> How would the gov count those people? They can only count those on benefits.
2008/07/07 [16:22] <+Abierto_cc> and you have to be covered by "unemployment insurance"
2008/07/07 [16:22] <+michaeln> and workers without ss#
2008/07/07 [16:22] <+donbonaddio> doesn't matter - we've bottomed imho
2008/07/07 [16:22] <+Jbordeaux> The question isn't the number against reality, it is the number against what that same number was in 1932
2008/07/07 [16:23] <+Abierto_cc> and pirates! nobody's counting the buccaneers
2008/07/07 [16:23] <+Abierto_cc> and corn costs a lot more now
2008/07/07 [16:23] <+Abierto_cc> inflation
2008/07/07 [16:23] <+rickmurtagh> the mall is still packed every day - we are NOT in depression - no matter how you count the people it is not as bad as it was
2008/07/07 [16:23] <@theagent> facebook.com needs a fail whale
2008/07/07 [16:23] <+treeshapiro> surveys, surveys - never in my life have i been surveyed for anything
2008/07/07 [16:24] <+rickmurtagh> i have
2008/07/07 [16:24] <+donbonaddio> time to get bullish
2008/07/07 [16:24] <+treeshapiro> forrester is full of <censored>
2008/07/07 [16:24] <+rickmurtagh> those people are annoying
2008/07/07 [16:24] <+Abierto_cc> @rickm... there's still some credit cards left
2008/07/07 [16:24] <+treeshapiro> they just make that <censored> up
2008/07/07 [16:24] <+donbonaddio> total capitulation is a leading indicator of a bull market
2008/07/07 [16:24] <+Jbordeaux> Is a depression defined by unemployment stats?
2008/07/07 [16:25] <+rickmurtagh> inflation, unemployment, buying power - at least in the past
2008/07/07 [16:25] <+hardaway-1> The blogger taking a nap on the bed blogs here: http://www.buppythepuppy.com
2008/07/07 [16:25] <+Mickeleh> How the Government counts unemployment: http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm
2008/07/07 [16:25] <+treeshapiro> when you got thousands of people living in shack communities on public land - it's kind of a tip off
2008/07/07 [16:25] <+hardaway-1> donbonaddio, I agree with you
2008/07/07 [16:25] <+treeshapiro> regular working people who lost their houses
2008/07/07 [16:26] <+Mickeleh> shanty towns, breadlines
2008/07/07 [16:26] <+treeshapiro> bread and butter
2008/07/07 [16:26] <+rickmurtagh> steve's audio is too danm low
2008/07/07 [16:26] <+treeshapiro> iraq
2008/07/07 [16:26] <+Mickeleh> soup kitchens
2008/07/07 [16:26] <+treeshapiro> baloney soup Again?
2008/07/07 [16:26] <+kshep> yep. check.... we've got those... hmm.
2008/07/07 [16:26] <+connectedgeek-1> Jerry - http://mos.techradar.com/images/facebook-failbook-218-85.jpg
2008/07/07 [16:27] <+donbonaddio> president doesn't matter - market hedges that
2008/07/07 [16:27] <+Jbordeaux> Sounds like Neilsen ratings,no?
2008/07/07 [16:27] <+treeshapiro> no, that's a Big problem. (cells)
2008/07/07 [16:27] <+kshep> sampling. polling. pretty basic stats.
2008/07/07 [16:28] <+treeshapiro> all the young people i know don't even have a land line
2008/07/07 [16:28] <+treeshapiro> are they counting native americans? for example.
2008/07/07 [16:29] <+treeshapiro> undocumented workers
2008/07/07 [16:29] <+Jbordeaux> Wait, what if I wanted to be an actor but could only wait tables? This conversation is veering towards a stat of American happiness...
2008/07/07 [16:29] <+rickmurtagh> most of those polls are done in person AND through phone calls
2008/07/07 [16:29] <+rickmurtagh> just because of the changing dynamics today
2008/07/07 [16:30] <+donbonaddio> true but people are less truthful
2008/07/07 [16:31] <+Jbordeaux> This reminds me of Tina Brown's comment after Bush's re-election. "But I don't know anyone who voted for him!"
2008/07/07 [16:31] <+donbonaddio> who do i need to follow?
2008/07/07 [16:32] <+donbonaddio> taking profits
2008/07/07 [16:33] <+treeshapiro> gross
2008/07/07 [16:33] <+kshep> http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/05/bin-laden-144-oil/
2008/07/07 [16:33] <+alexbellinger> oil now is cheap compared to how it will be over the next 50 years. These are the good old days.
2008/07/07 [16:33] <+treeshapiro> 144 - like you get it...
2008/07/07 [16:33] <+treeshapiro> gross joke explainer
2008/07/07 [16:34] <+treeshapiro> he's over modulating badly
2008/07/07 [16:34] <+shareme> prices owudl be better affected by us nationalizing Canada OIl/Gas
2008/07/07 [16:34] <+shareme> as of 2007 according to us rports Canda number on eimporter o fOil to US
2008/07/07 [16:34] <+treeshapiro> no tears for trent lott?
2008/07/07 [16:35] <+Jbordeaux> "something else?" Can you elaborate? You lay out the costs of refining, but nothing about your "something else?"
2008/07/07 [16:35] <+treeshapiro> next thing you know old jed's a billionaire
2008/07/07 [16:36] <+treeshapiro> free willie
2008/07/07 [16:36] <+kshep> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jul/03/biofuels.renewableenergy
2008/07/07 [16:36] <+donbonaddio> sorry, drop in the oil tank
2008/07/07 [16:36] <+treeshapiro> monsanto
2008/07/07 [16:36] <+treeshapiro> red wine -- prince charles
2008/07/07 [16:36] <+treeshapiro> shactly
2008/07/07 [16:36] <+treeshapiro> bbc today
2008/07/07 [16:37] <+donbonaddio> nothing for either party
2008/07/07 [16:37] <+treeshapiro> no good
2008/07/07 [16:37] <+treeshapiro> new clear
2008/07/07 [16:37] <+donbonaddio> election is now all about the economy
2008/07/07 [16:37] <+shareme> Franc ha shad cleanNuclear for lamost 10 years
2008/07/07 [16:38] <+shareme> they gneerate 80% electricity from Nuclear
2008/07/07 [16:38] <+treeshapiro> they will do anything to keep the eye off of iraq
2008/07/07 [16:38] <+donbonaddio> discrediting of obama as regular/not-change
2008/07/07 [16:39] <+treeshapiro> it'll be fear based
2008/07/07 [16:39] <+treeshapiro> obviously
2008/07/07 [16:39] <+donbonaddio> nobody but politicos are listening/watching
2008/07/07 [16:39] <+treeshapiro> probably
2008/07/07 [16:39] <+treeshapiro> something will blow up
2008/07/07 [16:39] <+donbonaddio> i'm not so certain
2008/07/07 [16:40] <+donbonaddio> obama has a few flip-flops to explain again and again
2008/07/07 [16:40] <+donbonaddio> character issue will surface again
2008/07/07 [16:40] <+treeshapiro> it works in virginia
2008/07/07 [16:40] <+WebPixie> you're not flip-flopping if you're reconsidering your position when you have new facts
2008/07/07 [16:40] <+alexbellinger> has anyone got any real dirt on obama or is he whiter than white?
2008/07/07 [16:41] <+kshep> he used to smoke
2008/07/07 [16:41] <+kshep> his friends used to be terrorists
012008/07/07 [16:41] <ConnectedGeek_> anag3rme
2008/07/07 [16:41] #newsgang-live You need voice (+v) (#newsgang-live)
2008/07/07 [16:41] <+Jbordeaux> WebPixie, would you say that about finding out there was no WMD? ;-)
2008/07/07 [16:41] <+donbonaddio> @WebPixie not saying it wasn't justified, but it will come up again
2008/07/07 [16:41] <+treeshapiro> his mother is a citizen - moot point
2008/07/07 [16:41] <+WebPixie> whassis aboutthe wmd?
2008/07/07 [16:42] <+Jbordeaux> Same <censored> people raised about McCain being born in the Canal Zone?
2008/07/07 [16:42] <+Jbordeaux> Just that reconsidering a position is one man's thoughtfulness, another man's flip flopping.
2008/07/07 [16:43] <@TinaGillmor> It does make an impact on the idiots
2008/07/07 [16:43] <+WebPixie> i just came in - what "flip-flops" are we talking about
2008/07/07 [16:43] <+Jbordeaux> @webpixie no real ones.
2008/07/07 [16:43] <+WebPixie> you're really right about that, Tina
2008/07/07 [16:43] <+donbonaddio> dems use it against republicans as well (flip-flop)
2008/07/07 [16:43] <+WebPixie> that's good
2008/07/07 [16:43] <+WebPixie> jb- that's good
2008/07/07 [16:43] <+donbonaddio> 5 points is meaningless, exactly
2008/07/07 [16:44] <+treeshapiro> everyone?
2008/07/07 [16:44] <+michaeln> "staycation"
2008/07/07 [16:44] <+WebPixie> stagcation, michael?
2008/07/07 [16:44] <+Jbordeaux> The gas tax holiday went nowhere. Thank heavens.
2008/07/07 [16:44] <+michaeln> nice
2008/07/07 [16:45] <+Jbordeaux> War could also break out, folks.
2008/07/07 [16:45] <+donbonaddio> clinton exposed vulnerabilites for the republicans
2008/07/07 [16:45] <+treeshapiro> hash browns
2008/07/07 [16:45] <+alexbellinger> all that stuff is not a vote winner, it's legacy stuff.
2008/07/07 [16:45] <+eggsoregano> After he left office???
2008/07/07 [16:46] <+kshep> Iran Contra II
2008/07/07 [16:46] <+treeshapiro> bottoms up
2008/07/07 [16:46] <+WebPixie> steak'n'eggs
2008/07/07 [16:47] <+treeshapiro> trickle down rehab
2008/07/07 [16:47] <+WebPixie> she said no, no, no
2008/07/07 [16:48] <+WebPixie> (rehab)
2008/07/07 [16:48] <+donbonaddio> you're underestimating the machine that'll go to work in sept and oct
2008/07/07 [16:48] <+donbonaddio> AND, young people will NOT turn out to vote
2008/07/07 [16:49] <+Jbordeaux> Yes, because Republicans should wear R armbands..? :-)
2008/07/07 [16:49] <+donbonaddio> still, he can't lose his base
2008/07/07 [16:49] <+WebPixie> yes, and more undecided voters in the middle
2008/07/07 [16:50] <+alexbellinger> he won't lose his base however far he moves to the centre
2008/07/07 [16:50] <+michaeln> ha
2008/07/07 [16:50] <+donbonaddio> so dems will use agism?
2008/07/07 [16:51] <+Jbordeaux> do you honestly think Republicans are responsible, solely, for the economy?
2008/07/07 [16:51] <+Jbordeaux> ...or any president/congress?
2008/07/07 [16:51] <+donbonaddio> exactly Jbordeaux
2008/07/07 [16:51] <+michaeln> "so articulate"
2008/07/07 [16:51] <+treeshapiro-1> oh my gods, i cannot believe you just said "ARTICULATE"
2008/07/07 [16:51] <+donbonaddio> "tax and spend" chant will begin soon
2008/07/07 [16:51] <+michaeln> seen
2008/07/07 [16:51] <+Jbordeaux> sounds like Biden with "articulate"
2008/07/07 [16:51] <+eggsoregano> Where do I get the koolade?
2008/07/07 [16:51] <+WebPixie> the war has a lot to do with the state of THIS economy
2008/07/07 [16:52] <+treeshapiro-1> "he's so well spoken"
2008/07/07 [16:52] <@TinaGillmor> there it is
2008/07/07 [16:52] <+donbonaddio> Hillary in '12
2008/07/07 [16:52] <+treeshapiro-1> for a negra
2008/07/07 [16:52] <+michaeln> was a joke
2008/07/07 [16:52] <+treeshapiro-1> jesus people
2008/07/07 [16:52] <@TinaGillmor> geez that took a while
2008/07/07 [16:52] <+donbonaddio> since McCain will win
2008/07/07 [16:52] <+WebPixie> and clean!
2008/07/07 [16:52] <+Jbordeaux> @WebPixie, aside from government spending, which doesn't solve economic woes, how is the war responsible?
2008/07/07 [16:52] <+eggsoregano> you guys are all kidding yourselves.
2008/07/07 [16:53] <+shareme> war got Haliburton paid
2008/07/07 [16:53] <+WebPixie> we've financed the war with debt and the devalued dollar also resulted - right shareme
2008/07/07 [16:53] <+treeshapiro-1> still is shareme
2008/07/07 [16:53] <+donbonaddio> Clinton would have been a better candidate - she was right
2008/07/07 [16:53] <+treeshapiro-1> no whey
2008/07/07 [16:53] <+Jbordeaux> @shareme, so wasn't that good for haliburton employees and shareholders? And other defense contractors? how does that hurt the economy? (trying to accept your premise)
2008/07/07 [16:53] <+treeshapiro-1> who wears yellow?
2008/07/07 [16:53] <+shareme> what wars were not financed with debt?
2008/07/07 [16:54] <+alexbellinger> so he's a smoking, flip-flopping, centrist black man ... he's screwed!
2008/07/07 [16:54] <+eggsoregano> The people who ask themselves what Obama really believes , won't vote for him because the question has no answer
2008/07/07 [16:54] <+treeshapiro-1> jbord: you dreaming? haliburton is lining cheney's lying pockets
2008/07/07 [16:54] <+shareme> debt spending eventually catche sup with gaisn of employment
2008/07/07 [16:55] <+WebPixie> assuming there are industries left here
2008/07/07 [16:55] <+treeshapiro-1> he's saying he's a very very bad basketball player
2008/07/07 [16:55] <+WebPixie> is haliburton a public company? i really don't know
2008/07/07 [16:55] <+mterenzio> I don't believe it. It doesn't make sense
2008/07/07 [16:55] <+kshep> http://friendfeed.com/e/c55fd456-8156-4c27-9321-6434e056fb9b/Twitter-to-buy-summize-i-m-hearing-a-bunch-of/
2008/07/07 [16:55] <+Jbordeaux> I'm not dreaming, I'm asking a question about the cheney conspiracy theory and the economy. without getting into the truth of the claim.
2008/07/07 [16:55] <+treeshapiro-1> unconfirmed rumor: i may get a job
2008/07/07 [16:56] <+WebPixie> congrats, tree
2008/07/07 [16:56] <+shareme> link http://friendfeed.com/e/c55fd456-8156-4c27-9321-6434e056fb9b/Twitter-to-buy-summize-i-m-hearing-a-bunch-of/
2008/07/07 [16:56] <+treeshapiro-1> there's no conspiracy about it - halliburton
2008/07/07 [16:56] <+Jbordeaux> Facebook IS down... :)
2008/07/07 [16:56] <+michaeln> fb is down
2008/07/07 [16:56] <+eggsoregano> Cheney isn't running, hello?
2008/07/07 [16:56] <@theagent> someone please start a rumor that I'm being bought by Google
2008/07/07 [16:56] <+BruceLerner> facebook is flaky
2008/07/07 [16:57] <+treeshapiro-1> jerry is being bought by google
2008/07/07 [16:57] <+Jbordeaux> eggs, there is a consistent mem that cheney and halliburton planned everything for their own gain.
2008/07/07 [16:57] <+WebPixie> hey, did you hear jerry is being bought by google?
2008/07/07 [16:57] <+eggsoregano> so?
2008/07/07 [16:57] <+donbonaddio> ff is painful
2008/07/07 [16:57] <+treeshapiro-1> it's on smoking gun
2008/07/07 [16:57] <+treeshapiro-1> and metafilter
2008/07/07 [16:57] <+Jbordeaux> So when I ask about the war's effect on the economy, I got some thoughtful food from WebPixie, but also the cheney story. A bit nonresponsive, but always there.
2008/07/07 [16:58] <+eggsoregano> It has nothingg to do with the price of tomatoes
2008/07/07 [16:58] <+treeshapiro-1> are you <censored> dissing me?
2008/07/07 [16:58] <+treeshapiro-1> bore-do?
2008/07/07 [16:58] <+WebPixie> appreciate the validation, jb
2008/07/07 [16:58] <+donbonaddio> ok now that's clear
2008/07/07 [16:58] <+donbonaddio> sheesh
2008/07/07 [16:59] <+Jbordeaux> I am characterizing the response, I don't fully grok the "dissing" verb, sorry. I'm an old man.
2008/07/07 [16:59] <+kshep> :-)
2008/07/07 [16:59] <+Abierto_cc> price of tomatoes is due to work stoppage and sabotage by agriculture workers
2008/07/07 [16:59] <+donbonaddio> it's working! ignore him
2008/07/07 [16:59] <+rickmurtagh> jason made it up to start a rumor
2008/07/07 [16:59] <+WebPixie> i'm not dissing, i'm sincere
2008/07/07 [16:59] <+alexbellinger> jerry yang
2008/07/07 [16:59] <+treeshapiro-1> but grok is in your lexicon grandpa?
2008/07/07 [16:59] <+shareme> and MS is buying Calacanis
2008/07/07 [16:59] <+Jbordeaux> 'tis that. dates back to the 50's
2008/07/07 [16:59] <+eggsoregano> dissing=disrespecting
2008/07/07 [16:59] <+WebPixie> or maybe you're not referring to me, jb
2008/07/07 [16:59] <+treeshapiro-1> yeah i read the eno thing, but it's not true
2008/07/07 [16:59] <+rickmurtagh> I am hearing rumors Google is buying newsgang
2008/07/07 [17:00] <+Jbordeaux> I was, WebPixie.
2008/07/07 [17:00] <+kshep> www.pheltup.com/invite/hardaway
2008/07/07 [17:00] <+treeshapiro-1> awkward pause
2008/07/07 [17:00] <+Jbordeaux> I was referring to your response as thoughtful, but was trying to untangle a 'dissing' charge. )
2008/07/07 [17:00] <@theagent> who is using TweetDeck?
2008/07/07 [17:00] <+donbonaddio> i like tdeck
2008/07/07 [17:00] <+treeshapiro-1> let's let that go
2008/07/07 [17:00] <+donbonaddio> new version even better
2008/07/07 [17:01] <+WebPixie> twhirl has quit on me
2008/07/07 [17:01] <+Abierto_cc> what about jabber?
2008/07/07 [17:01] <+shareme> twitter works fine when its down :)
2008/07/07 [17:01] <+WebPixie> it constantly tells me it's paused for 5 minutes
2008/07/07 [17:01] <+BruceLerner> It doesn't work real-time
2008/07/07 [17:01] <+WebPixie> yes, we do want track back
2008/07/07 [17:02] <+WebPixie> nobody goes there anymore, it
2008/07/07 [17:02] <+WebPixie> it's too crowded
2008/07/07 [17:02] <+Abierto_cc> whne google buys it they'll scale it up
2008/07/07 [17:02] <+treeshapiro-1> if jerry allows it
2008/07/07 [17:02] <+BruceLerner> Who shot twitter?
2008/07/07 [17:02] <+WebPixie> only with other republicans
2008/07/07 [17:03] <+donbonaddio> c'mon, be objective
2008/07/07 [17:03] <+treeshapiro-1> there will be
2008/07/07 [17:03] <+Jbordeaux> Sorry to repeat, but disruptive event can change things.
2008/07/07 [17:03] <+Abierto_cc> fear
2008/07/07 [17:03] <+treeshapiro-1> that's what they do
2008/07/07 [17:03] <+WebPixie> war with iran might
2008/07/07 [17:03] <+BruceLerner> What does a prayer have to do with it? How about a chance?
2008/07/07 [17:03] <+Jbordeaux> Israel war with Iran more likely, Webpixie
2008/07/07 [17:03] <+treeshapiro-1> there Will be American flags on pizza boxes again before election day, mark my words
2008/07/07 [17:03] <+Abierto_cc> party is clueless, the capitalist upper class behind them are the evil doggies
2008/07/07 [17:03] <+donbonaddio> wow
2008/07/07 [17:04] <+donbonaddio> echochamber
2008/07/07 [17:04] <+WebPixie> doubt we'd stand by and watch tho
2008/07/07 [17:04] <+Jbordeaux> Indeed
2008/07/07 [17:04] <+eggsoregano> Israel war with Iran = USA war with Iran
2008/07/07 [17:04] <+Abierto_cc> israel doesn't have the air chops for an iran war... need us to do it by proxy for them
2008/07/07 [17:05] <+eggsoregano> horse hockey
2008/07/07 [17:05] <+Jbordeaux> they do, however, have the chops for an airstrike. But need to fly through "Iraq" airspace.
2008/07/07 [17:05] <+eggsoregano> so?
2008/07/07 [17:05] <+BruceLerner> has anyone used "Truphone"
2008/07/07 [17:05] <+WebPixie> takes more than air strikes, right?
2008/07/07 [17:05] <+Abierto_cc> single airstrike doesn't mean they'd get out of persian airspace alive
2008/07/07 [17:05] <+Jbordeaux> Which could trigger something larger... but, it didn't in 1981 or in Syria this year
2008/07/07 [17:06] <+Abierto_cc> takes concentrated air war
2008/07/07 [17:06] <+eggsoregano> What is Obama's agenda?
2008/07/07 [17:06] <+michaeln> air bore
2008/07/07 [17:06] <+Jbordeaux> Takes coordinated air strike, you mean. SEAD, etc.
2008/07/07 [17:06] <+Abierto_cc> anybody looking at lessig's new thing, Change Congress?
2008/07/07 [17:06] <@theagent> I think that Silverlight deployment for the Olympics will accelerate the demise of the Obama campaign.
2008/07/07 [17:07] <+eggsoregano> As long as no one records what he says, Obama will be fine.
2008/07/07 [17:07] <+Jbordeaux> She means swift boating
2008/07/07 [17:07] <+michaeln> 30%
2008/07/07 [17:07] <+treeshapiro-1> give us an example, francy
2008/07/07 [17:08] <+eggsoregano> The Dems aren't capable of viscious attacks???
2008/07/07 [17:08] <+Abierto_cc> she means vicious racism on the order of watermelon = viagra
2008/07/07 [17:08] <+Jbordeaux> eggs, not on this show. ;)
2008/07/07 [17:08] <+treeshapiro-1> of what that attack might be relating to
2008/07/07 [17:08] <+michaeln> 300 years of racism?!
2008/07/07 [17:08] <+Abierto_cc> hoods, burning crosses
2008/07/07 [17:08] <+michaeln> right a_cc
2008/07/07 [17:09] <+eggsoregano> 10%
2008/07/07 [17:09] <+mterenzio> 75% agree with that
2008/07/07 [17:10] <+treeshapiro> black man got the vote before women, but they added an addendum to the rule saying that you could only vote if your grandfather had voted.
2008/07/07 [17:10] <+mterenzio> I think Hillary doesn't affect the chance of winning more than a point or two EITHER WAY
2008/07/07 [17:10] <+Abierto_cc> needs to go all out with the drumbeat of demagogery to win
2008/07/07 [17:11] <+Abierto_cc> 75000 cheering people in mile high nurnberg stadium
2008/07/07 [17:11] <+Abierto_cc> leni riefenstahl epic grandeur
2008/07/07 [17:12] <+Abierto_cc> the mob blows forward and the mob blows back
2008/07/07 [17:13] <+michaeln> i'm mailing in
2008/07/07 [17:13] <+Jbordeaux> Military absentees
2008/07/07 [17:13] <+michaeln> yes
2008/07/07 [17:13] <+treeshapiro> that's debatable
2008/07/07 [17:13] <+treeshapiro> there was some controversy about whether the mail in votes to FL last time were counted
2008/07/07 [17:13] <+shareme> another rumor link http://friendfeed.com/e/0aaefd0b-618e-4da8-9bdf-ae45408bcb95/Mahalo-com-Being-bought-by-MS/
2008/07/07 [17:13] <+treeshapiro> i'm mailing in - registered in FL
2008/07/07 [17:14] <+Abierto_cc> obama needs 5% just to come out even with the repub voter fraud
2008/07/07 [17:14] <+michaeln> CA. FL? not MA?
2008/07/07 [17:14] <+Abierto_cc> 54 to 46 and he loses
2008/07/07 [17:14] <+treeshapiro> oui
2008/07/07 [17:14] <+treeshapiro> matters more
2008/07/07 [17:14] <+michaeln> got it
2008/07/07 [17:14] <+alexbellinger> yup
2008/07/07 [17:14] <+Jbordeaux> Longest match in Wimbledon history
2008/07/07 [17:14] <+Jbordeaux> Nadal
2008/07/07 [17:14] <+WebPixie> obama has a good machine, maybe voter fraud won't work this time
2008/07/07 [17:15] <+michaeln> rafa
2008/07/07 [17:15] <+Jbordeaux> Won the French Open a month ago on clay. was called the best non-grass player, but proved that wrong yesterday
2008/07/07 [17:15] <+Abierto_cc> repubs sell the machines
2008/07/07 [17:15] <+Abierto_cc> repubs program the machines
2008/07/07 [17:15] <+alexbellinger> best since Borg v McEnroe final
2008/07/07 [17:15] <+treeshapiro> sounds like pr0n from the other room - tennis
2008/07/07 [17:15] <+treeshapiro> yes
2008/07/07 [17:15] <+donbonaddio> interesting, WebPixie - a "good machine" just what he said he wasn't
2008/07/07 [17:15] <+WebPixie> yes they do, even out here in the hinterlands
2008/07/07 [17:15] <+WebPixie> he says
2008/07/07 [17:15] <+donbonaddio> so much for change
2008/07/07 [17:15] <+michaeln> schlock doctrine
2008/07/07 [17:16] <+Abierto_cc> gee, really?
2008/07/07 [17:16] <+Abierto_cc> corporate and govt collusion?
2008/07/07 [17:16] <+WebPixie> sadly
2008/07/07 [17:16] <+Abierto_cc> I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you.
2008/07/07 [17:16] <+WebPixie> haha
2008/07/07 [17:16] <+treeshapiro> she had a recent article on fascism in the guardian
2008/07/07 [17:16] <+kshep> fascinating
2008/07/07 [17:17] <+Abierto_cc> yup, ayn randianism at its worst
2008/07/07 [17:17] <+WebPixie> oh, missed the corp vs gov comment
2008/07/07 [17:17] <@TinaGillmor> thanks everyone....
2008/07/07 [17:17] <+treeshapiro> thanks tina
2008/07/07 [17:17] <+Abierto_cc> auf wiedershen
2008/07/07 [17:17] <+alexbellinger> thanks
2008/07/07 [17:17] <+michaeln> tschüß
2008/07/07 [17:17] <+Abierto_cc> gesundheit
2008/07/07 [17:17] <+treeshapiro> merci me
2008/07/07 [17:18] <+kshep> nobody's picking up JAson's Twitter/summize rumor
2008/07/07 [17:18] <+shareme> I started a a new one MS Buys Mahalo.com :)
2008/07/07 [17:18] <+jromeh> via eisokant (not confirmed) "Twitter buys Summize!"
2008/07/07 [17:18] <+kshep> should be yahoo/mahalo
2008/07/07 [17:18] <+kshep> or TimeWarner... heh
2008/07/07 [17:18] <+shareme> would itnot suck if that got higher comments than Jason's?
2008/07/07 [17:19] <+shareme> no MS needs a seach winner and yahoo is not it
2008/07/07 [17:19] <+rickmurtagh> i posted one Reading: "Google to buy Mahalo? i'm hearing a bunch of rumors...
2008/07/07 [17:20] <+shareme> lets coordinate post he link here and we add to al lexcept Jason's
2008/07/07 [17:20] <+kshep> everybody just like/digg every rumor they see involving Maholo
2008/07/07 [17:20] <+kshep> Mahalo
2008/07/07 [17:21] <+shareme> my link is http://friendfeed.com/e/0aaefd0b-618e-4da8-9bdf-ae45408bcb95/Mahalo-com-Being-bought-by-MS/
2008/07/07 [17:21] <+treeshapiro> perhaps more importantly: http://mahalo.com/Tom_Cruise_Back_Fat
2008/07/07 [17:22] <+shareme> hmm its gettign traction :)
2008/07/07 [17:43] <+shareme> omg I am close to surpassing number of commnt son my rumor thread as opposed to Jason's thats too damn funny :)
2008/07/07 [17:45] <+shareme> oh funny Robert Scoble comment on thread now :)
2008/07/07 [17:51] <+shareme> hmm its niceSocial Media expert experiment
2008/07/07 [17:55] <+shareme> 20 comments folks and climbing
2008/07/07 [17:58] <+jromeh> http://eisokant.com/2008/07/07/twitter-buys-summize/ (updated with quote from orig rumorist)
2008/07/07 [18:17] <+LetTheDawgsOut> hey jerry ... how's doing? floyd music yeh!
2008/07/07 [18:20] <@theagent> yeah... running off my NAS back at my house... so my playlists now
Session Close: Tue Jul 08 00:00:01 2008