NewsGang and Gillmor Gang IRC Transcripts for 06/20/2008

Gillmor Gang 06.20.08
June 20th, 2008

The Gillmor Gang - Jon Udell, Robert Anderson, Marc Canter, and Mike
Arrington - welcome back Mozilla CTO Brendan Eich. Recorded Friday, June 20,
2008.

NewsGang Live 06.20.08
June 20th, 2008

Michael Markman, Francine Hardaway, Jim Posner, Rob La Gesse, Karoli Kuns,
Aron Michalski, Debi Jones, Bruce Lerner, and Jerry Schman and the
UstreamGang. Recorded Friday, June 20, 2008.

Session Start: Fri Jun 20 00:00:02 2008
Session Ident: #newsgang-live
2008/06/20 [13:38] <+aronski> lowell george ladies and gentlemen...
2008/06/20 [13:46] <+TinaGillmor> Start of GG show June 20, 2008-------------
2008/06/20 [13:52] <+TinaGillmor> tweet link http://ustream.tv/channel/NewsGang-Live
2008/06/20 [13:52] <+jromeh> aronski saw lowell solo tour show at Chicago's Park
West two weeks before he passed - RIP Lowell
2008/06/20 [13:54] <+aronski> was playing Robert Palmer (another RIP) "Sneakin
Sally thru the Alley" before the show began...lowell produced and played on
it...
2008/06/20 [13:54] <+jromeh> good to hear Jon's voice on Gillmor Gang again!
2008/06/20 [13:54] <+aronski> Has 3 friends on that tour myself...sad story.
2008/06/20 [13:54] <+aronski> Missed Jon myself.
2008/06/20 [13:55] <+jromeh> have photos of Robert Palmer from same timeframe
taken by my underage sister at Park West
2008/06/20 [13:55] <+jromeh> well, she was underage then ;)
2008/06/20 [13:59] <+jromeh> she also got Dad's Minolta & lenses into some
Darkness shows
2008/06/20 [14:04] <+TinaGillmor> Me thinks Steve didn't do a twitter
announcement about the show
2008/06/20 [14:05] <@theagent> I think you're likely right
2008/06/20 [14:05] <+jromeh> only saw yours, Tina
2008/06/20 [14:06] <+jromeh> just tweeted to my small number of followers
2008/06/20 [14:06] <+TinaGillmor> think he's doing it now.... he was takin' care
of me pre-show... not feeling well
2008/06/20 [14:09] <+shareme> Yes I just saw Steve's tweet
2008/06/20 [14:09] <+dahowlett> Get well soon Tina @jromeh Tweeted it but the
link was wrong. Just Tweeted the right link
2008/06/20 [14:10] <+jromeh> also @techcrunch tweeted, watch numbers rise, will
trolls arrive soon?
2008/06/20 [14:10] <+techcrunch> jesus christ
2008/06/20 [14:10] <+techcrunch> this show is awful
2008/06/20 [14:11] <+jromeh> had all the link, and somehow there were a few
extra chars glued on
2008/06/20 [14:11] <+dahowlett> Arrington's at it again.
2008/06/20 [14:11] <+techcrunch> hey dennis
2008/06/20 [14:12] <+TinaGillmor> thanks Dennis
2008/06/20 [14:12] <+rjeffries> so why is Gilmor on video, nobody else. lame
2008/06/20 [14:13] <+rjeffries> no audio now
2008/06/20 [14:13] <@theagent> lost audiop
2008/06/20 [14:13] <@theagent> just a sec
2008/06/20 [14:13] <+TinaGillmor> lost audio
2008/06/20 [14:13] <+TinaGillmor> Jerry is dialing back in...
2008/06/20 [14:13] <+rjeffries> yawns
2008/06/20 [14:14] <+dahowlett> @rjeffries show - Steve's the host, it's his
show. And he's nice to look at.
2008/06/20 [14:14] <+techcrunch> you're not missing anything re dropped audio
2008/06/20 [14:14] <+techcrunch> steve, seriously, get it together
2008/06/20 [14:15] <+jcposner> Curious about the intersection of semantic web,
microformats and firefox 3
2008/06/20 [14:15] <+shareme> you mean flock?
2008/06/20 [14:15] <+techcrunch> jcposner - you mean semantic web and GOOGLE
2008/06/20 [14:15] <+techcrunch> "a lot of people use myspace and facebook" - no
<censored>
2008/06/20 [14:15] <+techcrunch> who said that?
2008/06/20 [14:15] <+techcrunch> they should be banned
2008/06/20 [14:16] <+dahowlett> I see Mike's in '<censored> off everybody' mode.
Sweet.
2008/06/20 [14:16] <+shareme> Flock 2 is cool
2008/06/20 [14:16] <+jcposner> firefox semantic web
http://cws.internet.com/article/4055-.htm
2008/06/20 [14:16] <+shareme> I wish they woudl jsut integrate mysocial24x7
though
2008/06/20 [14:17] <+shareme> a lot cooler that way
2008/06/20 [14:17] <+jcposner> Another potential application for semantic
information is that the functionality of the location bar in Firefox 3 could be
expanded with microformat detection, he said.
2008/06/20 [14:17] <+shareme> you mean like flock ?
2008/06/20 [14:18] <+shareme> flock uses that now right in addressbar
2008/06/20 [14:18] <+jcposner> never used it
2008/06/20 [14:18] <+aronski> I guess it's time to throw a couple of rabid
wolverines in the burlap bag...
2008/06/20 [14:18] <+jcposner> may try it
2008/06/20 [14:18] <+shareme> I iwll post a screen shot to my flcikr screen so
you can see
2008/06/20 [14:18] <+dahowlett> Flock sux for me
2008/06/20 [14:18] <+jcposner> flock seemed a little beta to me when I tied it
as a beta :-)
2008/06/20 [14:18] <+aronski> Used Flock 1.0, stopped when I became dependant on
Grease Monkey Scripts
2008/06/20 [14:19] <+rjeffries> Dear NewsGang: assin sombody to tell us
speaker's name when they start talking.
2008/06/20 [14:19] <+rjeffries> wait. there are only 28 people watching this
show
2008/06/20 [14:19] <+shareme> as far as I know you can use GreaseMonkey scripts
in flock 2
2008/06/20 [14:19] <+dahowlett> @rjeffries: are you visually challenged? The
name etc appears in the video area.
2008/06/20 [14:19] <+techcrunch> k seriously steve
2008/06/20 [14:19] <+rjeffries> is Canter speaking now?
2008/06/20 [14:20] <+techcrunch> 18 people in the world care about this
2008/06/20 [14:20] <+techcrunch> and they are all on the call
2008/06/20 [14:20] <+jcposner> what is the thread here..missing the context
2008/06/20 [14:20] <+dahowlett> and that must include you Mike - right?
2008/06/20 [14:20] <@theagent> I try to keep in sync with the speaker.. look at
the video
2008/06/20 [14:20] <+rjeffries> I did not understand that . now I get it. I
thoughtr that was random lide show
2008/06/20 [14:20] <+techcrunch> i'm playing kdice
2008/06/20 [14:20] <+techcrunch> not paying attention any more
2008/06/20 [14:20] <+techcrunch> mcdonalds?
2008/06/20 [14:21] <+techcrunch> i'm just glad we cleared up the fact that a lot
of people apparently use facebook and myspace
2008/06/20 [14:21] <+aronski> or whatever the original version number was... I'm
not surprised they intergrated it. It was very social friendly but at the time I
jumped back to the bloated FF2...
2008/06/20 [14:21] <+shareme> lol
2008/06/20 [14:21] <+jcposner> event status integrated into the browser?
2008/06/20 [14:21] <+shareme> flock2 runson ff3 really very fast
2008/06/20 [14:22] <+dahowlett> Steve cracks me up
2008/06/20 [14:22] <+shareme> kmelon?
2008/06/20 [14:22] <+shareme> lyxn?
2008/06/20 [14:22] <+jcposner> what is mozilla doing beyond the browser and
email..any interest in a open source mesh play
2008/06/20 [14:23] <+shareme> look at messaging
2008/06/20 [14:23] <+aronski> Might have to take another look, but he's right,
switching browsers is rare, unless you're p@##ed off.
2008/06/20 [14:24] <+smbeebe> hi
2008/06/20 [14:24] <+smbeebe> steve needs to get an upgrade on that lame phone
;*)
2008/06/20 [14:25] <+jcposner> seems Mozilla is exclusively focused on the
client..any interest in the backend server space?
2008/06/20 [14:25] <+shareme> no lets get him a downgrade
2008/06/20 [14:25] <+shareme> lol
2008/06/20 [14:25] <+mobilejones> Nokia's web browser blows.
2008/06/20 [14:25] <+rjeffries> Steve. they have invented something called a
headset. has a good mike. you should try it sometime.
2008/06/20 [14:25] <+smbeebe> @shareme - great idea!
2008/06/20 [14:25] <+jromeh> steve has tried lots of headsets, none of which
sounded as good as the handset
2008/06/20 [14:25] <+smbeebe> wireless or bluetooth headset (plantronics)
2008/06/20 [14:25] <+mobilejones> However, Android is running on the N810 sorta
2008/06/20 [14:25] <+shareme> we nee dto get rotary dial 1800s phone just to see
his reaction
2008/06/20 [14:26] <+TinaGillmor> smbeebe --- I'm thinking of getting Steve one
of those phones that you have to crank up
2008/06/20 [14:26] <+smbeebe> @Tina - awesome!
2008/06/20 [14:26] <+shareme> Tina that would be so very kool
2008/06/20 [14:26] <+jromeh> we used to have a box that looked like one over our
kitchen phone
2008/06/20 [14:26] <+dahowlett> Awww Tina - you're just baiting poor Steve.
2008/06/20 [14:26] <+jromeh> might still have it in the crawl
2008/06/20 [14:26] <+TinaGillmor> Actually tried a few headsets and the sound
quality has been worse
2008/06/20 [14:26] <+smbeebe> bummer
2008/06/20 [14:27] <+aronski> Besides with a headset, we wouldn't want him to
look like one of Madonna's backround singers...
2008/06/20 [14:27] <+smbeebe> lol
2008/06/20 [14:27] <+mobilejones> Tina I think you should get him an Ernestine
headset complete with giant plugboard
2008/06/20 [14:27] <+TinaGillmor> Someone please f point me to a good sounding
solution
2008/06/20 [14:27] <+smbeebe> that android pic looks like R2D2
2008/06/20 [14:27] <+shareme> yes we would lol
2008/06/20 [14:27] <+dahowlett> The Logitech QuickPro camera is very good. Use
with in ear headset from Sony.
2008/06/20 [14:27] <+smbeebe> see http://hellodirect.com catalog for good phone
equipment
2008/06/20 [14:27] <+TinaGillmor> Dedbi ;-) perfect
2008/06/20 [14:28] <+smbeebe> mobile me sounds awesome
2008/06/20 [14:28] <+TinaGillmor> meant Debi
2008/06/20 [14:28] <+dahowlett> Did I hear him say something about in memory?
2008/06/20 [14:28] <+smbeebe> did steve say "sprout core" ??
2008/06/20 [14:28] <+thewilde> yep
2008/06/20 [14:28] <+smbeebe> what was that name
2008/06/20 [14:28] <+shareme> sproutcore ajax toolkit framework
2008/06/20 [14:28] <+smbeebe> ok
2008/06/20 [14:28] <+mobilejones> mobile me is weak kungfu
2008/06/20 [14:28] <+smbeebe> ahhh
2008/06/20 [14:28] <+jromeh> sproutcore was used to implement .mac photo
galleries, pretty cool outcome
2008/06/20 [14:28] <+rjeffries> SproutCore is getting some hype
2008/06/20 [14:29] <+smbeebe> yea
2008/06/20 [14:29] <+smbeebe> evolution of ajax... cool
2008/06/20 [14:29] <+thewilde> cool thing about SproutCore is Apple is keeping
it opensource
2008/06/20 [14:29] <+TinaGillmor> tweet link http://ustream.tv/channel/NewsGang-Live
2008/06/20 [14:29] <+smbeebe> opensource FTW
2008/06/20 [14:30] <+shareme> it snot apple but a Y-combinaor company
2008/06/20 [14:30] <+smbeebe> hmmm
2008/06/20 [14:30] <+aronski> Mobile Me seems half baked, rushed and not worth
jumping ship for.
2008/06/20 [14:30] <+mobilejones> Nokia has Ovi, Apple has me.com, and the rest
of the world will use Google
2008/06/20 [14:30] <+jcposner> I wonder what the browser will look like 10 years
from now..seems the central metaphor hasn't changed much over the last 10
years..I guess links will never die
2008/06/20 [14:30] <+smbeebe> geo location APIs - yeah!
2008/06/20 [14:30] <+smbeebe> gears rocks too
2008/06/20 [14:31] <+mobilejones> jcposner there are few links in mobile web
2008/06/20 [14:31] <+dalmaer> SproutIt is the company
2008/06/20 [14:31] <+dalmaer> SproutCore is the framework
2008/06/20 [14:31] <+dalmaer> I just interviewed the SproutCore founder (one of
them)
2008/06/20 [14:32] <+smbeebe> cool
2008/06/20 [14:32] <+smbeebe> link?
2008/06/20 [14:32] <+dalmaer>
http://ajaxian.com/archives/audible-ajax-episode-27-sproutcore-with-char...
2008/06/20 [14:32] <+jcposner> I am thinking automated pattern recognition in
the browser, awareness, intent, etc
2008/06/20 [14:32] <+dalmaer> smbeebe: thanks for the Gears love (I work on the
Gears team)
2008/06/20 [14:32] <+smbeebe> awesome!!
2008/06/20 [14:32] <+aronski> Well, maybe id the iPhone takes over the world
(ahem), it might look more like the multi-touch surface interface...
2008/06/20 [14:32] <+smbeebe> very coolio!
2008/06/20 [14:32] <+smbeebe> :-)
2008/06/20 [14:33] <+smbeebe> http://sroutit.com
2008/06/20 [14:33] <+smbeebe> oops...
2008/06/20 [14:33] <+smbeebe> http://sproutit.com
2008/06/20 [14:33] <+bboytrife> OpenMoco maybe not a iPhone killer
2008/06/20 [14:33] <+smbeebe> i love that graphic - firefox eating IE logo
2008/06/20 [14:33] <+dalmaer> The Open Web has won ;)
2008/06/20 [14:33] <+aronski> But I think there is enough fumble fingered old
school types who will still want the old metaphor...
2008/06/20 [14:34] <+jcposner> decoupling the web from the browser seems to be a
important next step
2008/06/20 [14:34] <+TinaGillmor> wow loud helicopter
2008/06/20 [14:35] <+aronski> Would that be a Gears type solution?
2008/06/20 [14:35] <+shareme> black helicopter?
2008/06/20 [14:35] <+bboytrife> http://wiki.openmoko.org
2008/06/20 [14:35] <+techcrunch> ok i couldn't stand it anymore
2008/06/20 [14:36] <+techcrunch> im out
2008/06/20 [14:36] <+techcrunch> steve, please consider this my resignation from
the show
2008/06/20 [14:36] <+aronski> Flash will continue to prevent mobile users from
seeing all content on the web...
2008/06/20 [14:36] <+rjeffries> is Mike serious?
2008/06/20 [14:37] <+tomoneill> good call
2008/06/20 [14:37] <+jcposner> as a Ubuntu enthusiast I would love to see the
web intergrated into the core of the OS..ie I have no need to fire up a browser,
web function has deep integration into the OS, a dream MS had but never realized
2008/06/20 [14:37] <+dalmaer> Mike: I like this call, it isn't about Twitter but
real stuff.
2008/06/20 [14:37] <+tomoneill> evangelism is huge
2008/06/20 [14:38] <+aronski> Jim, I think that some browser people feel that
they are the OS and the cloud will be the apps...
2008/06/20 [14:38] <+bboytrife> Young people are using Firefox, they know
2008/06/20 [14:38] <+TinaGillmor> young people?
2008/06/20 [14:38] <+dahowlett> I need to get off this to do a story about a
Rails apps doing a billion views per month.
2008/06/20 [14:39] <+jcposner> I think Mozilla needs to think about a deeper
integration play
2008/06/20 [14:39] <+jcposner> own the mission of integrating the web into the
soul of Linuz
2008/06/20 [14:39] <+TinaGillmor> thanks for showing up Dennis
2008/06/20 [14:39] <+jcposner> Linux
2008/06/20 [14:39] <+jromeh> dennis, nice volley
032008/06/20 [14:40] * ustreamer-97696 is now known as jonathansnook-1936
2008/06/20 [14:40] <+smbeebe> I guess i am "young" cool
2008/06/20 [14:41] <+smbeebe> kids get this stuff
2008/06/20 [14:41] <+smbeebe> i am a KID!! woo hooo!
2008/06/20 [14:41] <+jromeh> because of video games!
2008/06/20 [14:41] <+smbeebe> computer stuff
2008/06/20 [14:41] <+smbeebe> lol
2008/06/20 [14:41] <+smbeebe> wrong?
2008/06/20 [14:41] <+smbeebe> digital natives..
2008/06/20 [14:42] <+aronski> Jim, we're pretty close already...as opposed to a
few years ago, I often only have one app open, a browser and most tools are
available through it.
2008/06/20 [14:42] <+jromeh> it's a small subset of any generation
2008/06/20 [14:42] <+jcposner> Nick Carr calls us "pancake people"
2008/06/20 [14:42] <+jromeh> that can see the general which is implied by the
specific
2008/06/20 [14:43] <+jromeh> and then adapt their skills as needed, "change
agents"
2008/06/20 [14:44] <+jromeh> interesting parallels to alchemists
2008/06/20 [14:44] <+rjeffries> Udell is da man
2008/06/20 [14:44] <+rjeffries> I read that post and he is dead nuts on target
2008/06/20 [14:44] <+jromeh> shaming us non-bloggers, as he should
2008/06/20 [14:45] <+jcposner> agree..I guess what I an advocating is web
awareness as part of the OS, I have it to some degree with auto updates..but
what I would be really interested in his here are the things that happened on
the web when you were offline that you may find interesting..having that level
of smarts built into OS
2008/06/20 [14:45] <+aronski> As I travel and spend full days without being able
to access WiFi, I have become very dependant on mobile connections, mobile
browser, mobile IM and mobile push email.
2008/06/20 [14:46] <+jromeh> now in the 70s again, big audience numbers jerry
2008/06/20 [14:46] <+jcposner> seems Mozilla would be in a postion to deliver
that at an OS level
2008/06/20 [14:46] <+jcposner> again decouplng the web from the browser
2008/06/20 [14:46] <&usrbingeek> Dave Winer will be upset and whine no matter
what is said
2008/06/20 [14:47] <+aronski> My blogging has fallen off but I think that's due
to Twitter and being able to post photos and IM from a mobile platform... of the
realization that what I have to say might not be that important.
2008/06/20 [14:47] <+aronski> or
2008/06/20 [14:48] <+mobilejones> Isn't the glue called Friend Connect?
2008/06/20 [14:48] <+jromeh> work my ass off keeping music club calendar up to
date, need to automate it to syndicate the very complex event info, along with
that, find time to blog
2008/06/20 [14:49] <+jromeh> and that's not the day job, either
2008/06/20 [14:49] <+smbeebe> twitter!!!!!
2008/06/20 [14:49] <+smbeebe> Steve LOVES twitter
2008/06/20 [14:49] <+jromeh> yes, have leapfrogged over blogging to twitter in
some ways
2008/06/20 [14:49] <+smbeebe> yep
2008/06/20 [14:49] <+mobilejones> Many people love twitter
2008/06/20 [14:49] <+smbeebe> i do too
2008/06/20 [14:50] <+jromeh> sorta like 3rd world mobile adoption
2008/06/20 [14:50] <+rjeffries> enough with the Twitter monoculture alreday.
Gilmor, you ar esmarter than that
2008/06/20 [14:50] <+smbeebe> lol
2008/06/20 [14:50] <+smbeebe> friendfeed!
2008/06/20 [14:50] <+shareme> pownce
2008/06/20 [14:50] <+smbeebe> FRIENDFEED!!!!!!!!!!
2008/06/20 [14:50] <+shareme> pownce
2008/06/20 [14:50] <+smbeebe> come'on steve... FF
2008/06/20 [14:50] <+rjeffries> what happened to the brillian Steve Gilmor we
used to all know and love
2008/06/20 [14:50] <+mobilejones> pownce is Napster 2.0
2008/06/20 [14:50] <+rjeffries> Twitter is a service. not THE riggin service
2008/06/20 [14:50] <+shareme> he left the building? lol
2008/06/20 [14:50] <+mobilejones> it's not twitter
2008/06/20 [14:50] <+smbeebe> steve evangelizes twitter everyday (how much is EV
and Biz paying for this?)
2008/06/20 [14:51] <+aronski> Long form is saved for extrapolation, twitter is
for the back and forth...
2008/06/20 [14:51] <+smbeebe> right twitter is just an app folks
2008/06/20 [14:51] <+smbeebe> but a cool one, yes
2008/06/20 [14:51] <+mobilejones> All those people have mobile phones and
therefore SMS
2008/06/20 [14:51] <+mobilejones> If they have SMS, they have twitter
2008/06/20 [14:51] <+smbeebe> mainstream ...no!!!!!
2008/06/20 [14:51] <+rjeffries> Gimor also has had a BIG swig of Microsoft
Koolaid re silverlight
2008/06/20 [14:51] <+smbeebe> lol
2008/06/20 [14:52] <+jromeh> @davewiner: When kids can get laid cause of open
data, they'll get interested.
2008/06/20 [14:52] <+TinaGillmor> Steve likes what he likes... he's usually not
wrong
2008/06/20 [14:52] <+aronski> Ev's busy looking for a good veggie meal while
someone else tries to figure out the Track quandry...
2008/06/20 [14:52] <+mobilejones> Wii is the dealio
2008/06/20 [14:53] <+smbeebe> @Tina - true!
2008/06/20 [14:53] <+smbeebe> he does know how to pick a winner
2008/06/20 [14:54] <@theagent> an Apple product
2008/06/20 [14:54] <+smbeebe> powerschool - hmm
2008/06/20 [14:54] <+smbeebe> neat idea
2008/06/20 [14:54] <+aronski> It doesn't matter if you're on a game console,
phone or computer, Twitter works...when it works. If the veggie meal thing is
solved, they'll get to IM going both ways and then maybe they'll look at Track.
2008/06/20 [14:55] <@theagent> we have a piece of junk called SchoolLoop
2008/06/20 [14:55] <+aronski> Maybe some wakeboarding first though...
2008/06/20 [14:55] <+TinaGillmor> Debi, we have a Wii. steve always calls it the
Why. Drives our daughter crazy
2008/06/20 [14:55] <+mobilejones> LOL I love the Wii!
2008/06/20 [14:55] <+aronski> I'd figure he'd call it a 'Them"...
2008/06/20 [14:56] <+rickmurtagh> there are a number of really good access
portals for school systems - schools find it tough to justify the cost of IT to
keep it up and running
2008/06/20 [14:56] <+jromeh> my 25yo daughter loves her wii
2008/06/20 [14:56] <+mobilejones> It's so completely addictive, especially the
self test.
2008/06/20 [14:56] <+rickmurtagh> my "kids" love theirs too
2008/06/20 [14:56] <+TinaGillmor> is that on the Wii Fit Debi?
2008/06/20 [14:57] <+mobilejones> It's a base program, Tina. All Wiis have it.
2008/06/20 [14:58] <+mobilejones> You can only self test once per day and it
reports your "age" based on your performance in the sports games: Tennis,
Bowling, Baseball et al
2008/06/20 [14:58] <+TinaGillmor> OK...I've only palyed a few tennis games with
my kids. Must ake some time to get into it myself
032008/06/20 [14:58] * ustreamer-8205 is now known as derek-6592
2008/06/20 [14:58] <+mobilejones> Tina, you'll get hooked. You've been warned.
:-)
2008/06/20 [14:59] <+TinaGillmor> Debi... I've heard that.
2008/06/20 [15:00] <+jromeh> tried hers out, lots of fun, sure one will be
hooked up to the projector before long
2008/06/20 [15:00] <+mobilejones> Tina have you built your Mi yet?
2008/06/20 [15:01] <+jromeh> sounds like VRM from here
2008/06/20 [15:01] <+TinaGillmor> Crap... I need to get back to bed.. loud
sneeze... not feeling well today... slight fever
2008/06/20 [15:01] <+jromeh> hope you feel better soon, Tina
2008/06/20 [15:01] <+mobilejones> Ibuphrophen
2008/06/20 [15:02] <+mobilejones> Miracle drug
2008/06/20 [15:02] <+TinaGillmor> I think I built my Mi ... yes
2008/06/20 [15:02] <+smbeebe> Tina - get some rest after this call!
2008/06/20 [15:02] <+TinaGillmor> Kids built one of Steve... looks EXACTLY like
him
2008/06/20 [15:02] <+smbeebe> lots of folks have been fighting that around here.
2008/06/20 [15:02] <+smbeebe> lOL
2008/06/20 [15:02] <+mobilejones> Once you master the games, Tina, the next step
is playing over the net. :-)
2008/06/20 [15:03] <+mobilejones> I just wish the Wii had twitter integrated.
2008/06/20 [15:03] <+jcposner> afterlifecasting
2008/06/20 [15:03] <+TinaGillmor> I tool extra strenght Tylenol, ashtma meds,
antihist....
2008/06/20 [15:04] <+jromeh> so much to scan from shoeboxes, here's a tribute to
my recently passed father created back on his 70th -
http://jromeh.home.comcast.net/~jromeh/happyCamper/happyCamper.html
2008/06/20 [15:04] <+mobilejones> extra water and extra sleep helps too.
2008/06/20 [15:04] <+Jemimus-1> lol.. Jon talking about his wife now ;) I recall
stories from his past blogposts
2008/06/20 [15:04] <+TinaGillmor> It takes people a while to change
2008/06/20 [15:04] <+jcposner> technology doesn't age well, storage lockers do
2008/06/20 [15:04] <+aronski> because many people don't understand the
server/cloud concept and that it can be free/almost free...
2008/06/20 [15:05] <+rickmurtagh> people do not very often fundamentally change
- things like technology generally get incorporated, not cause general change
2008/06/20 [15:05] <+mobilejones> Some of it isn't psychological it's temporal
in terms of you learn new methods when you need them.
2008/06/20 [15:05] <+jromeh> how many early '90s documents you wrote can you
still produce easily?
2008/06/20 [15:05] <+smbeebe> crypto utopia!
2008/06/20 [15:06] <+smbeebe> love that
2008/06/20 [15:06] <+smbeebe> NONE
2008/06/20 [15:06] <+jcposner> print it or lose it, seems to be the case
2008/06/20 [15:06] <+aronski> point taken...though I transferred most of them
onto my website!!!
2008/06/20 [15:06] <+Jemimus-1> The nice thing about the mesh concept is that it
will be so integrated into the structure of the services, that it becomes
transparent. One hopes the clients become smarted too, that Outlook wont let you
send 20mb attachment, but will automaticly dump it in the cloud, with attached
security/context
2008/06/20 [15:06] <+smbeebe> server cloud rocks... except when twitter fail
whale shows up!
2008/06/20 [15:06] <+smbeebe> data coffins
2008/06/20 [15:06] <+mobilejones> jromeh early 90s I have some CCmail which not
usable, but also, many ascii files too.
2008/06/20 [15:06] <+smbeebe> floppies!
2008/06/20 [15:06] <+jakemonO> jon, windows live puts pictures in the cloud
nicely as you desrcibe
2008/06/20 [15:07] <+jakemonO> windows live mail, that is
2008/06/20 [15:07] <+jcposner> needs to be a public version of the national
archives
2008/06/20 [15:08] <+jromeh> if I fire this machine up, I can see this stuff
that was created with it ;)
2008/06/20 [15:08] <+mobilejones> Yeah, ask those in Iowa and New Orleans if
they trust Insurance companies. :-)
2008/06/20 [15:08] <+rickmurtagh> just keep a cersion of windows 98se on a
machine and keep it up to day with every digital archive item
2008/06/20 [15:09] <+aronski> The Radio Userland Upstream metaphor is still a
strong simple idea that non-tech types could dig, that can't understand an FTP
client or trust a browser upload to a cloud...
2008/06/20 [15:09] <+smbeebe> thanks guys!! nice show Steve!!
2008/06/20 [15:09] <+smbeebe> :-)
2008/06/20 [15:09] <+smbeebe> bye
2008/06/20 [15:09] <+smbeebe> 20th
2008/06/20 [15:09] <+jromeh> over 90 viewers
2008/06/20 [15:09] <+smbeebe> cool
2008/06/20 [15:09] <+TinaGillmor> ----end of GG show marker------
2008/06/20 [15:09] <+mobilejones> Go get some rest, Tina.
2008/06/20 [15:10] <+smbeebe> right on!
062008/06/20 [15:10] * +mobilejones waves at Jerry
2008/06/20 [15:10] <+aronski> can we send you some chicken soup?
2008/06/20 [15:10] <+smbeebe> pillow
2008/06/20 [15:10] <+aronski> Feel better Tina...
2008/06/20 [15:10] <+mobilejones> bye all everyone
2008/06/20 [15:10] <+smbeebe> music!
2008/06/20 [15:11] <@stevegillmor> NewsGang Live 1PM PDT
2008/06/20 [15:11] <+TinaGillmor> thanks... off to bed for me... I will not be
sick, I will not be sick, I will...
2008/06/20 [15:11] <+shareme> thanks Steve
2008/06/20 [15:11] <+TinaGillmor> thanks for showing up everyone... thanks Jerry
2008/06/20 [15:11] <+aronski> Thanks Jerry...
2008/06/20 [15:11] <+jromeh> great show with Doc, too - It's Too Late To Stop
Now!
2008/06/20 [15:12] <+TinaGillmor> you mean the Doc and Steve show from
yesterday?
2008/06/20 [15:13] <+jromeh> yes, discussing Caravan, and the way the radio had
Doc thinking of Steve in Woodstock, & - that was great, riding in the car with
Steve!
2008/06/20 [15:14] <+jromeh> everybody please send best wishes and positive
energy in Doc's direction!
2008/06/20 [15:14] <+smbeebe> Brendan is a genius!
2008/06/20 [15:15] <+smbeebe> +++ Positive Energy +++
2008/06/20 [15:15] <+shareme> Obama i smoving
http://donklephant.com/2008/06/20/moveonorg-shuts-down-its-527/
2008/06/20 [15:17] <+shareme> I wonder how fast the 527s shut down
2008/06/20 [15:18] <+jromeh> dahowlett: @smbeebe 'genius' - something that
clearly passed Mike by methinks
2008/06/20 [15:18] <+jromeh> take it how you wish ;)
2008/06/20 [15:20] <+smbeebe> LOL yep!
2008/06/20 [15:20] <+scottag> I love Radiohead
2008/06/20 [15:20] <+smbeebe> me2
2008/06/20 [15:22] <+scottag> Steve has got to get a mic set up like that. :)
2008/06/20 [15:22] <+scottag> or not...
2008/06/20 [15:24] <+jromeh> 48 viewers, only 20 showing in chat room list?

2008/06/20 [15:25] <+desrosj-1> Hi Jerry
2008/06/20 [15:25] <+scottag> perhaps they're not signed in?
2008/06/20 [15:25] <+desrosj-1> I already have an account.. What do I need to
send video.....By the way you wiew and sound are nice
2008/06/20 [15:26] <+TinaGillmor> jromeh ... right and during the show it was 90
and 44
2008/06/20 [15:27] <+TinaGillmor> Please send real info on good mic solutions to
tina@gillmor.com
2008/06/20 [15:28] <+TinaGillmor> we've tried a few and they all sounded muffled
- headsets
2008/06/20 [15:28] <+jromeh> thought that the not signed ins were the ones with
ustreamer*, that's what am before signing in
2008/06/20 [15:29] <+jromeh> so wondering if they're somehow watching but not on
the chat page
2008/06/20 [15:29] <+TinaGillmor> that's what I'm wondering too
2008/06/20 [15:31] <+TinaGillmor> OK now I'm really off to bed....
tina@gillmor.com if anyone needs to say something to me... iPhone in bed
2008/06/20 [15:34] <@theagent> sorry... going back and forth between my dev
machine and this one... not trying to ignore anyone
2008/06/20 [16:00] <+TinaGillmor> ----- Show start for NGL June 20, 2008----
2008/06/20 [16:02] <+treeshapiro> hi steve
2008/06/20 [16:02] <+TinaGillmor> tweet link
http://ustream.tv/channel/NewsGang-Live
2008/06/20 [16:02] <+TinaGillmor> Jerry - we're doing NewsGang
2008/06/20 [16:02] <+jromeh> tina producing from iphone in bed?
2008/06/20 [16:04] <+TinaGillmor> no I snuck back inot the office... Steve's not
happy
2008/06/20 [16:05] <+treeshapiro> no more bake sales?
2008/06/20 [16:06] <+treeshapiro> i could of sworn i got an email from move on
like yesterday about a bake sale, i'm serious.
2008/06/20 [16:06] <+treeshapiro> i submitted a recipe for imeach cobbler.
2008/06/20 [16:07] <+treeshapiro> impeach.
2008/06/20 [16:07] <+shareme> no more 527 bake sales they toast unless McCain
gets them
2008/06/20 [16:07] <+TinaGillmor> J-e-r-r-r-r-r-r-r-ry
2008/06/20 [16:07] <@theagent> sorry... my bad...
2008/06/20 [16:07] <@theagent> totally concentrating on code
2008/06/20 [16:07] <+TinaGillmor> no worries...
2008/06/20 [16:08] <+treeshapiro> happy world refugee day!
2008/06/20 [16:09] <+treeshapiro> http://www.democracynow.org/
2008/06/20 [16:09] <@theagent> audio coming up now...
2008/06/20 [16:09] <+jromeh>
http://cachaguastore.blogspot.com/2008/06/ahhhhfinally-figured-it-out.ht...
2008/06/20 [16:10] <+treeshapiro> jro: typical mindset
2008/06/20 [16:10] <+treeshapiro> muted
2008/06/20 [16:11] <+jromeh> muted
2008/06/20 [16:11] <@theagent> it wasn't me
2008/06/20 [16:11] <+TinaGillmor> tweet link
http://ustream.tv/channel/NewsGang-Live pls. tweet away
2008/06/20 [16:11] <+TinaGillmor> it wasn't me... but I am coughing
2008/06/20 [16:14] <+jromeh> demmicans and republicrats!
2008/06/20 [16:14] <+treeshapiro> or the same company more like
2008/06/20 [16:15] <@theagent> who is speaking?
2008/06/20 [16:15] <@theagent> aron?
2008/06/20 [16:15] <+Karoli> yes
2008/06/20 [16:15] <+jromeh> is it aronski?
2008/06/20 [16:15] <+TinaGillmor> OK... taking the computer into bed and
producing from there....please excuse my pjs
2008/06/20 [16:15] <+TinaGillmor> that is Aron I believe
2008/06/20 [16:16] <+jromeh> on postcard the response to tina's pjs comment
would be... "Pics?"
2008/06/20 [16:16] <+TinaGillmor> ooooo
2008/06/20 [16:17] <+jromeh> that's why they play the games
2008/06/20 [16:17] <+treeshapiro> NOOO! Cheese Grater Photo Alert
2008/06/20 [16:17] <+treeshapiro> please, there must be another photo of markman
2008/06/20 [16:17] <+xGGxKillax> wow you suck dude your stream blows the
c-o-c-k!!
2008/06/20 [16:17] <+treeshapiro> nice
2008/06/20 [16:18] <+TinaGillmor> i like he cheese grater... it's cheesy
2008/06/20 [16:18] <+Abierto_cc> is this about that sunday show, the totally bs
one that Russert hosted?
2008/06/20 [16:18] <+treeshapiro> it's the potential finger injury that gets me
2008/06/20 [16:18] <+TinaGillmor> xGGxKillax... we welcome people who don't like
it to leave
2008/06/20 [16:18] <+Abierto_cc> yeah, meet the press
2008/06/20 [16:19] <+Abierto_cc> Cheney and Bush remain culpable under
international law
2008/06/20 [16:20] <+treeshapiro>
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/20/as_global_warming_fuels_more_extre...
2008/06/20 [16:20] <+Abierto_cc> took Chile 30 years to their war criminals to
heel
2008/06/20 [16:21] <+treeshapiro> first country to give women the vote? quiz.
2008/06/20 [16:21] <+Abierto_cc> liberia?
2008/06/20 [16:21] <+treeshapiro> nz
2008/06/20 [16:21] <+shareme> UK
2008/06/20 [16:21] <+treeshapiro> nex zealand
2008/06/20 [16:21] <+treeshapiro> new zealand
2008/06/20 [16:22] <+treeshapiro> highest percentage of women in high powered
jobs both in industry and government
2008/06/20 [16:22] <+treeshapiro> AND they don't make any big deal about it
2008/06/20 [16:23] <+Abierto_cc> cutting too many trees though
2008/06/20 [16:23] <+treeshapiro> correctly - define correctly
2008/06/20 [16:23] <+jromeh> so it comes down to integrity
2008/06/20 [16:23] <+Abierto_cc> and lumberjacks
2008/06/20 [16:24] <+jromeh> and anxiety will impact performance
2008/06/20 [16:24] <+Abierto_cc> have an impact upon
2008/06/20 [16:25] <+Abierto_cc> ain't a verb, aion't never been a verb, ain't
never gonna be a verb... sounds stupid when you use it as a verb
2008/06/20 [16:25] <+jromeh> even McC's former fellow POWs are doing a gut check
2008/06/20 [16:26] <+Abierto_cc> and he supports the Miami Cubans and the Great
State of Israel the same as the republicans
2008/06/20 [16:26] <+shareme> gut check who has their hand in the 527 cookie jar
2008/06/20 [16:26] <+jromeh> and don't see him as a leader as he used silver
spoon treatment to get what they earned
2008/06/20 [16:26] <+Abierto_cc> didja see move-on is shutting their's down?
2008/06/20 [16:26] <+shareme> go Obama..clena ou al lthe 527s
2008/06/20 [16:27] <+shareme> whoop sclena out all 527s
2008/06/20 [16:28] <+shareme> what is active duty? Reserves is alrady defined as
active duty
2008/06/20 [16:28] <+treeshapiro> To some, the cigar store Indian is considered
the native equivalent of the black lawn jockey—a stereotypical and thus
demeaning portrayal of Native Americans; how
2008/06/20 [16:29] <+treeshapiro> how many people here have relatives in active
duty now, here?
2008/06/20 [16:29] <+shareme> me
2008/06/20 [16:29] <+treeshapiro> rob?
2008/06/20 [16:29] <+treeshapiro> where is your info coming from largesse?
2008/06/20 [16:29] <+shareme> several relatives active or reserves and several
retired
2008/06/20 [16:30] <+treeshapiro> me, just one.
2008/06/20 [16:30] <+shareme> sveral in Iraq and Afganistan
2008/06/20 [16:30] <+treeshapiro> they keep calling her up for her third tour
2008/06/20 [16:30] <+treeshapiro> stop loss
2008/06/20 [16:30] <+treeshapiro> mine in afghanistan
2008/06/20 [16:31] <+Abierto_cc> me, none. white privilege
2008/06/20 [16:31] <+kr8tr> sorry - wasn;t at computer -my info is coming from a
huge network of civil service friends, and active andretired Military families.
2008/06/20 [16:32] <+Abierto_cc> they were complicit
2008/06/20 [16:32] <+Abierto_cc> quest held the line
2008/06/20 [16:32] <+Abierto_cc> pardoned, not immunized
2008/06/20 [16:32] <+shareme> true he got immunity
2008/06/20 [16:32] <+Abierto_cc> didn't get immunity in world court
2008/06/20 [16:33] <+shareme> world court doe snto count in us courts
2008/06/20 [16:33] <+shareme> only by treaty
2008/06/20 [16:33] <+Abierto_cc> just nobody had the stones to extradite him to
The hague and hold him accountable
2008/06/20 [16:33] <+shareme> adn reaty iscongress and US pres
2008/06/20 [16:33] <+Abierto_cc> don't need to try him in us if he's a war
criminal
2008/06/20 [16:34] <+Abierto_cc> try him anywhere
2008/06/20 [16:34] <+shareme> saem now whohas stones to drag Balir and Bush to
Hague?
2008/06/20 [16:34] <+Abierto_cc> eichmann was the precedent on that
2008/06/20 [16:34] <+Abierto_cc> kidnap him from paraguay after he flees
2008/06/20 [16:35] <+shareme> no immunity doe snot trump secrecy laws
2008/06/20 [16:35] <+Abierto_cc> do snot
2008/06/20 [16:36] <+treeshapiro> i keep getting knocked off - not sure if it's
because i'm talking too much, but it's insanity to grant him immunity.
2008/06/20 [16:36] <+treeshapiro> we know what happened already
2008/06/20 [16:36] <+shareme> hehe
2008/06/20 [16:36] <+treeshapiro> he is a war criminal
2008/06/20 [16:36] <+treeshapiro> full stop
2008/06/20 [16:37] <+shareme> yeah track was stopped, was it DHS?
2008/06/20 [16:37] <+Abierto_cc> how many of those Dept of Homeland Cesurity
brown shirts also deserve indictments
2008/06/20 [16:37] <+Abierto_cc> ?
2008/06/20 [16:38] <+jromeh> missed it by that much
2008/06/20 [16:38] <+shareme> you do not conict stupdiity you keep them out of
office
2008/06/20 [16:38] <+shareme> its not all out as due to secrecy laws in place
2008/06/20 [16:38] <+treeshapiro> wiki leak
2008/06/20 [16:39] <+jromeh> and building detention centers
2008/06/20 [16:39] <+Abierto_cc> anthrax is released for a reason in this
administration
2008/06/20 [16:40] <+Abierto_cc> anti HUAC sixty years too late
2008/06/20 [16:40] <+Abierto_cc> http://www.democracynow.org/
2008/06/20 [16:40] <+jromeh> talk into the microphone
2008/06/20 [16:40] <+treeshapiro> and perhaps his death - if you want to get all
cospiracy -
2008/06/20 [16:40] <+treeshapiro> conspiracy
2008/06/20 [16:41] <+Abierto_cc> who thinks that?
2008/06/20 [16:42] <+Abierto_cc> why should he get drawn into that conflict?
2008/06/20 [16:42] <+treeshapiro> does anyone see .gov in their stats on their
blogs here?
2008/06/20 [16:42] <+Abierto_cc> all the time
2008/06/20 [16:42] <+treeshapiro> one dollar one vote
2008/06/20 [16:42] <+shareme> yes.. from the sandi labs..why?
2008/06/20 [16:43] <+Abierto_cc> sandia is just a UC subsidiary
2008/06/20 [16:43] <+treeshapiro> even i see .gov sites in my stats
2008/06/20 [16:44] <+TinaGillmor> took a break to see all the thousands of birds
on the ocean...usually means whales or dolphins
2008/06/20 [16:46] <+mcdtracy> I think Sandia is a DOE funded research lab and
the UC system has a contract for management: HR, payroll, etc.
2008/06/20 [16:46] <+treeshapiro> tg: wow - i could use some dolphin/whale
watching right about now
2008/06/20 [16:46] <+shareme> yes Sandi is ODE funded
032008/06/20 [16:47] * theagent changes topic to 'NewsGang'
2008/06/20 [16:47] <+TinaGillmor> house is somewhat sucky but view is great
2008/06/20 [16:47] <+treeshapiro> unfortunately not everyone finds this
important:
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/6/20/as_global_warming_fuels_more_extre...
2008/06/20 [16:47] <+mcdtracy> I love the ocean. Always have been close to the
ocean.
2008/06/20 [16:48] <+shareme> they just started indicting BearSterns folks
people
2008/06/20 [16:48] <+TinaGillmor> first time in my life i've ever had a nice
view
2008/06/20 [16:49] <+treeshapiro> we pretty much have given up quite a
considerable amount by the playing on americonsumers' fears.
2008/06/20 [16:49] <+treeshapiro> power of nightmares, largesse
2008/06/20 [16:49] <+treeshapiro> bores, i think
2008/06/20 [16:49] <+Abierto_cc> there are also many peooink
2008/06/20 [16:49] <+mcdtracy> Tree: Fear is the essential tool of facists to
gain control... to be given control.
2008/06/20 [16:51] <+treeshapiro> fascinating fascism -
http://lavachequilit.typepad.com/la_vache_qui_lit/susan-sontag-fascinati...
2008/06/20 [16:52] <+treeshapiro> unintelligible, sound-wise
2008/06/20 [16:52] <+jromeh> if you don't have anything to hide, what are you
worried about? - so sick of that bullshit
2008/06/20 [16:53] <+TinaGillmor> who was that?
2008/06/20 [16:53] <+Abierto_cc> there's not enough time left to impeach him
2008/06/20 [16:53] <+treeshapiro> dream on
2008/06/20 [16:53] <+shareme> waht was Tim Veigh? xmas??
2008/06/20 [16:53] <+Abierto_cc> shoulda pulled him down on 9/12
2008/06/20 [16:54] <+Abierto_cc> that's fear talking Steve
2008/06/20 [16:55] <+treeshapiro> first step in creating a religion is to create
an enemy
2008/06/20 [16:55] <+treeshapiro> l <censored> ron hubbard
2008/06/20 [16:55] <+treeshapiro> same template
2008/06/20 [16:55] <+treeshapiro> hitlet
2008/06/20 [16:55] <+treeshapiro> hitler - godwin's be damned
2008/06/20 [16:56] <+Abierto_cc> when you were talking about the danger
2008/06/20 [16:56] <+Abierto_cc> about the danger of dying
2008/06/20 [16:56] <+Abierto_cc> yeah
2008/06/20 [16:56] <+Abierto_cc> right
2008/06/20 [16:56] <+Abierto_cc> but what dioes that mean for the average bear
2008/06/20 [16:56] <+Abierto_cc> ?
2008/06/20 [16:57] <+mcdtracy> I could NOT beleve they wanted to openly call it
"Homeland Security"... too obvious.
2008/06/20 [16:57] <+Abierto_cc> should we all be afraid because the assassins
prowl?
2008/06/20 [16:57] <+treeshapiro> interesting question
2008/06/20 [16:58] <+treeshapiro> wouldn't surprise me
2008/06/20 [16:58] <+shareme> using double speak as the trasnmission mechanism
2008/06/20 [16:58] <+mcdtracy> Give me liberty or give me cable.
2008/06/20 [16:58] <+jromeh> life during wartime (occupation time)
2008/06/20 [16:58] <+Abierto_cc> ellsberg was fed that info
2008/06/20 [16:58] <+Abierto_cc> do they have smoothies?
2008/06/20 [16:59] <+jromeh> ice & water - they knew it was there, but confirmed
- it was twittered first, according to tweeters
2008/06/20 [16:59] <+treeshapiro> will it blend
2008/06/20 [17:00] <+Abierto_cc> Yet Esther is sanguine regarding the positive
benefits of the walled gardens, the ads, the RFiD etc
2008/06/20 [17:00] <+treeshapiro> gladly pay you on tuesday
2008/06/20 [17:00] <+treeshapiro> china
2008/06/20 [17:00] <+Abierto_cc> silver
2008/06/20 [17:00] <+mcdtracy> If we had a Woodward and Bernstien managed by a
Ben Bradlee... maybe this war would have been stooped.
2008/06/20 [17:00] <+jromeh> gladly pay you by 2050
2008/06/20 [17:00] <+treeshapiro> shactly
2008/06/20 [17:01] <+treeshapiro> i do
2008/06/20 [17:01] <+jromeh> you don't see people not flying? huh?
2008/06/20 [17:02] <+mcdtracy> this whole Newgang experience feesl like
prisoners tapping messages out on the water pipes.
2008/06/20 [17:02] <+Abierto_cc> Spanish Inquisition lasted from 1478 to 1834
2008/06/20 [17:02] <+jromeh> who has read "Spook Country" by W. Gibson?
2008/06/20 [17:02] <+Abierto_cc> yup
2008/06/20 [17:02] <+treeshapiro> one of my god-kids has one
2008/06/20 [17:03] <+Abierto_cc> interesting story about the banality of spooks
2008/06/20 [17:03] <+treeshapiro> but she uses her irish passport
2008/06/20 [17:03] <+treeshapiro> likes the harp
2008/06/20 [17:04] <+Abierto_cc> Continental won't let foreign nationals on
their flights from latin america if they can't produce a visa, regardless of
ticketing and passport
2008/06/20 [17:04] <+Abierto_cc> usurped the government's job
2008/06/20 [17:04] <+mcdtracy> Spooks are professional and politically empowered
paranoids.
2008/06/20 [17:05] <+Abierto_cc> freed the slaves within 3 years of the
emancipation proclamation
2008/06/20 [17:05] <+shareme> hehe
2008/06/20 [17:05] <+shareme> no slaves freeign strted with Uk outlawing slave
trade long befor eUs civil war
2008/06/20 [17:06] <+jromeh> they took away MS' right to monopolize!
2008/06/20 [17:06] <@stevegillmor> thx jerry
2008/06/20 [17:06] <+Abierto_cc> thx steve
2008/06/20 [17:06] <+mcdtracy> They slapped Microsoft gently on the wrist.
2008/06/20 [17:06] <+jromeh> they made a show of... that.
2008/06/20 [17:06] <+TinaGillmor> good show... thanks everyone
2008/06/20 [17:07] <+mcdtracy> I think Microsoft changed behavior becuase it was
bad for business. It encouraged software priracy.
2008/06/20 [17:07] <+mcdtracy> tina - enjoy thr view.
2008/06/20 [17:07] <+shareme> kind of like slapping private contractor
sinIraq..oh please do nto do that again lol
2008/06/20 [17:07] <+mcdtracy> yes - a public gesture without any real damage.
2008/06/20 [17:08] <+treeshapiro> love her version. sly and robbie rock.
2008/06/20 [17:09] <+jromeh> tree: agree re: sly & robbie, whose version of what
2008/06/20 [17:10] <+treeshapiro> sinead's version of downpresser that we are
listening to right now
2008/06/20 [17:10] <+aronski> thanks Jerry...
2008/06/20 [17:10] <+jromeh> ah, not getting that here, muzaky hold jazz
2008/06/20 [17:11] <+jromeh> guess hadn't hung up the call - d'oh!
2008/06/20 [17:11] <+mcdtracy> I get 5 seconds and then 10 of silence. A Sinead
mashup with John Cage.
2008/06/20 [17:11] <+jromeh> like a stepping razor, on my bike, I'm "dangerous"
(or so some other residents claim)
2008/06/20 [17:12] <+jromeh> ah, replug from phone and unmute, hear last few
bars
2008/06/20 [17:12] <+treeshapiro> thanks jerry
2008/06/20 [17:13] <+mcdtracy> Jerry... great service. Makes the show more of en
event.
2008/06/20 [17:16] <@theagent> thanks a lot... really appreciate the
participation and feedback
Session Close: Fri Jun 20 23:55:36 2008