NewsGang and Gillmor Gang IRC Transcripts for 04/23/2008

NewsGang Live 04.23.08

01[14:46] <+ConnectedGeek> *********************04/23/2008 - 2:45pm EST**********************
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[14:47] <@BankaiNetworks> .
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03[15:22] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v jromeh
[15:22] <ustreamer-20025> so what's Flotzam? .com?
[15:24] <ustreamer-20025> jump right in with an answer - or is this a silent time?
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[15:36] <thagent> AlertThingy has been updated to 1.3... now includeds Flickr, TinyURL and your full Twitter feed
[15:37] <thagent> wow... I either need more coffee or a proof reader
[15:37] <@BankaiNetworks> Bath? =]
[15:37] <@BankaiNetworks> Both?
[15:37] <@BankaiNetworks> =]
[15:37] <thagent> funny man....
[15:41] <@BankaiNetworks> This is weird. I have a Cam that will only work with one computer here.
03[15:41] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +o stevegillmor
[15:41] <@BankaiNetworks> No rhyme or reason. Bizarre
[15:45] <+jromeh> hmm interesting splitscreen experiments!
03[15:46] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +o TinaGillmor
[15:47] <+jromeh> relaunching, right back
03[15:49] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v jromeh
03[15:51] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v Karoli
[15:51] <+jromeh> saw first fly last week, west of Chicago
[15:51] <+jromeh> of season
[15:52] <@BankaiNetworks> LOL
[15:52] <+jromeh> right you got "bomber" there
[15:52] <+jromeh> bombers
[15:52] <@BankaiNetworks> Especially in Norco
[15:52] <+jromeh> with gang igsignias on their backs
03[15:52] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v usrbingeek-1
[15:52] <+jromeh> insignias - they'll bite thru your shirt
[15:53] <+jromeh> Niland
[15:53] <@BankaiNetworks> Of course. LOL!
[15:54] <@stevegillmor> jerry can you push me in so I can see framing
[15:56] <@stevegillmor> thx
[15:56] <&usrbingeek> Good to see Steve wearing a shirt today ;)
[15:56] <@stevegillmor> yeah what a bonus
03[15:57] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v human2
[15:57] <+human2> NICE...steve is live, eh?
[15:57] <+human2> Nice to see you guys ..
[15:58] <+Karoli> the inset window is pretty cool
[15:58] <+human2> Steve looks god-like looking down upon us, LOL...I'm glad you're live steve.
03[15:58] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +o stevegillmor
03[15:58] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v Jari_Ra
[15:58] <+Karoli> laughing at him popping out as soon as I sent that
[15:58] <@BankaiNetworks> Hey Human2
[15:58] <+human2> You BAnk.
[15:59] <+human2> yo
03[15:59] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v shelnew19
[15:59] <+human2> Jer...audio level is low today.
[15:59] <&usrbingeek> no worries Jerry
[15:59] <+human2> K
[15:59] <+jromeh> no need to apologize, thanks for being there when you can!
03[16:00] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v kr8tr
[16:00] <@TinaGillmor> Keep you on mute?
[16:00] <@TinaGillmor> ok
[16:00] <+human2> I expect excellence from Jer! LOL
[16:00] <@stevegillmor> did u drop the call line jerry
[16:00] <@TinaGillmor> Jerry you're not on the phone conference now
[16:00] <@BankaiNetworks> lol
[16:00] <@TinaGillmor> yes you are
[16:01] <@TinaGillmor> sorry
[16:01] <@stevegillmor> never mind
[16:02] <+human2> Ugh, I just got it: Jerry Schuman rhymes with Human! too funny.
[16:02] <+human2> yes.
[16:02] <ustreamer-98635> bonsoir  de la belgique
[16:02] <+human2> yes
[16:02] <+human2> Steve
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[16:03] <thagent> yes
[16:03] <thagent> I can hear you
[16:04] <+kr8tr> We are getting fancy!  Cool
03[16:05] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v Joffi
[16:05] <thagent> stepping away for a moment
[16:05] <thagent> be right back
[16:06] <+Joffi> note to self: opera beta crashes when going full screen vid on ustream
[16:06] <+jromeh> have you looked at meshable.com ? whaddya think about it?
[16:07] <&usrbingeek> I think the beta is limited to only 10,000 people
[16:07] <+jromeh> J-rome-H
[16:07] <+Joffi> test
[16:07] <+jromeh> Jerome Hughes
[16:07] <+Joffi> bah... this joffi, can someone kick my ghost?
[16:08] <+human2> have to go to a meeting... BRB...soon
03[16:08] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v Karoli
[16:08] <+human2> cheers
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[16:09] <+Karoli> i can't hear steve
[16:09] <+Karoli> much better
[16:09] <ustreamer-26620> press *4  :-)
03[16:09] * usrbingeek is now known as SteveMermelstein
[16:09] <+jromeh> better, then gone
[16:09] <+jromeh> vid still there, though
[16:10] <&SteveMermelstein> his audio cut out completely now
[16:10] <ustreamer-32884> audio cut out here too
[16:10] <+Karoli> no audio at all now
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[16:10] <ustreamer-32884> audio turning up - we can hear you faintly
[16:11] <ustreamer-26620> Maybe it is another experiment... or part of the plan...I loved the dead silence in a Gang months ago.
[16:11] <@TinaGillmor> Steve's calling back in
[16:11] <&SteveMermelstein> FolderShare repackaged
03[16:11] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v amyloo
[16:11] <ustreamer-32884> I am only hearing Techaura talking... FYI
[16:11] <+Karoli> i can see some really practical uses for it
[16:11] <@TinaGillmor> Jerry - your 425 number has disappeared
[16:12] <+Karoli> I have three separate online universes...those could then be synched up at one location
[16:12] <+Joffi> hearing noone now
[16:13] <@TinaGillmor> I hear nothing
[16:13] <@TinaGillmor> Jerry are you dialed in?
[16:13] <@TinaGillmor> ok
[16:13] <@TinaGillmor>  ok now
[16:14] <+Joffi> btw, had a small issue with the rss feed and dates, cori fixed it in short order
[16:14] <+Joffi> sounds good
[16:15] <@TinaGillmor> Wednesday April 23 -----------
[16:15] <@thagent> feels like I'm trying to launch the shuttle
[16:15] <@TinaGillmor> right!
[16:15] <+Karoli> lurking
[16:15] <+Karoli> okay
[16:15] <@thagent> I'll blame it on bad O rings
[16:15] <@TinaGillmor> Oh no...not the O-rings!
[16:16] <+Karoli> muted
[16:17] <&SteveMermelstein> sounds good now
[16:17] <+jromeh> not here, so restarting
[16:17] <@TinaGillmor> 9.2 is so NOT 10.0
[16:18] <&SteveMermelstein> it's really a win for McCain.
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01[16:19] <+ConnectedGeek> i will send you the chat for the past two day later on tonight
[16:19] <+Joffi> 9.5% to be specific, from penn's site
01[16:19] <+ConnectedGeek> going home to bed now
[16:19] <+jromeh> only a double digit rounding and still only a state outcome
01[16:20] <+ConnectedGeek> had a long night last night (at work)
01[16:20] <+ConnectedGeek> later
03[16:20] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v amarquart
[16:21] <+Joffi> 9.2% with 99.51% of returns http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/
[16:21] <+jromeh> james and bobby purify
[16:21] <&SteveMermelstein> Did Hillary win only because conservatives/republicans were encouraged to register and vote for her?
[16:21] <@TinaGillmor> very cool technology
01[16:22] <+ConnectedGeek> afk
[16:23] <+amarquart> will she settle for VP
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[16:23] <+kr8tr> best she could be is a VP Candidate.  Obbama/Clinton ticket = McCain victory
[16:23] <+amyloo> here we go again
[16:24] <+kr8tr> too many b's :)
[16:24] <@thagent> Dave Winer on Blog:
[16:24] <@thagent> Gallup Daily tracking poll: Obama 50%, Clinton 42%.
[16:24] <+amarquart> Do dem's only believe a Obama/Clinton ticket is able to beat McCain
[16:24] <+Joffi> popular vote and delegate count still in Obama's favor
[16:25] <+amyloo> message is be afraid of a cheering mob of black people
[16:25] <+Joffi> amarquart, I think he'd do better without her on ticket
[16:26] <+Joffi> shownotes ;)
[16:26] <+amyloo> interpretive reading please
[16:27] <+amyloo> i still want to make a little console of all these components
[16:27] <+amyloo> saw part of it, informal press huddle
03[16:28] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v Mickeleh
[16:28] <+Mickeleh> Hillary won't run as third party
[16:29] <@TinaGillmor> http://www.davidsanborn.com/
[16:29] <+amarquart> third party nominee is a Clinton Spin to take votes from Obama and she wins by superdelegates
[16:29] <+amarquart> oops you mean in general sorry not thinking
[16:30] <+Mickeleh> Gallup is already saying that demographics trumps campaign tactics.
[16:31] <&SteveMermelstein> If Hilary can't get the nomination I think she's hoping that McCain wins so she can run again in 2012
[16:31] <+Joffi> exit polls showed the young went 60-40 for O, not as good as I would expect
[16:31] <+amyloo> but nutter and rendell tamped down some of his segment
[16:32] <+Mickeleh> half the "new voters" were old voters who switched to Democrats
[16:33] <+amarquart> now that i am thinking....third party nominee would only suck votes from a Dem?
[16:33] <+Mickeleh> Good guy who supports Bush war policies and eco policies?
[16:33] <+Joffi> Who's seemed loony as hell over the last six years
[16:33] <+amyloo> i'd like to be able to threaten that but couldn't bring myself to do it
[16:34] <@TinaGillmor> I agree Mickeleh - I don't think he'll actually do that
[16:34] <@TinaGillmor> some audio drop outs Jerry but not too bad
[16:34] <+amyloo> nice, jerry
[16:34] <@TinaGillmor> nice Jer
[16:35] <+Mickeleh> Stealing the nomination is the only way to frame it
[16:35] <@TinaGillmor> Wow I feel like this is turning into a real newsroom
[16:35] <+amyloo> he'd only implode if she prompted it
[16:36] <&SteveMermelstein> totally agree Steve
[16:36] <+Mickeleh> The 2012 scenario has been in play for weeks now
[16:37] <+kr8tr> Ratz.  Just missed a call from Horseshoe Casino. I am sure they were calling to inform me that I actually *did* win last time I played there! :)
[16:37] <+Mickeleh> who is speaking w/ Steve?
[16:37] <@TinaGillmor> David Sanborn
[16:37] <+Mickeleh> thanks
[16:37] <@TinaGillmor> sure
[16:38] <+Mickeleh> Clintons have no sense of "whatever" whatever!
[16:38] <+Mickeleh> Clintons believe that only they can save us
[16:39] <+amarquart> Why do you believe the President is going to save us? The House and Senate do the real damage
[16:39] <+Mickeleh> All other factors are calibrated against their absolute faith in their own virtue
[16:39] <+amyloo> It's logical in a way that from their POV they believe that
[16:40] <+Joffi> One thing Bush has proven, the Pres, no matter how awful, can make alot of <censored> happen, congress or not
[16:40] <+Mickeleh> Not in the age of the imperial presidency. House and Senate fail to undo the damage.
[16:40] <+Mickeleh> Honorable man who embraces Bush... and all the former "agents of intolerance" he once noticed.
[16:40] <ustreamer-89517> How about white water ?
[16:41] <+amyloo> do we know how mccain feels about things like signing statements
[16:41] <+Mickeleh> Whitewater? No there there.
[16:42] <+amarquart> I take offense
[16:43] <+Mickeleh> "Was Race of Candidate Important to You?'
[16:43] <+kr8tr> get her off my screen :)
[16:43] <+Mickeleh> 12% of whites said yes.
[16:43] <@TinaGillmor> Hillary has joined us
[16:43] <@TinaGillmor> and replaced Jerry
03[16:44] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v poisonpill097
[16:44] <+Mickeleh> 76% of whites who said yes voted for Clinton
[16:44] <+amarquart> The Race is all Obama Spin
[16:44] <+poisonpill097> Is the the Silverlight discussion ?
[16:45] <+poisonpill097> Are we talking about Microsoft ?
[16:45] <+poisonpill097> oh
[16:45] <+poisonpill097> guess not
[16:45] <+amyloo> probably more poltics todya
[16:45] <@TinaGillmor> We'll see if it turns to Silverlight? Mesh?
[16:45] <+poisonpill097> I have a BIG problem about mesh
[16:45] <+kr8tr> Silverlight is Hillary's hair color, right?
03[16:46] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v egilchri
[16:46] <+poisonpill097> I'm not convinced.  And I would like Steve to convince me
[16:46] <@TinaGillmor> ha
[16:46] <+egilchri> get on the map.All the cool kids are: http://mycrazyuncle.com
[16:46] <+poisonpill097> Listen. Obama reminds me of Apple in the tech space
[16:46] <+amarquart> Im with you poision, I am not convinced it is SOOO great...more boring
[16:47] <+poisonpill097> They can have the best message out there, but still...
[16:47] <+amarquart> Obama is Web 2.0
[16:47] <+poisonpill097> Its market share that matters
[16:47] <@TinaGillmor> I'm on it now Ted - although not my exact location
[16:47] <+Joffi> day after the primary, you expected not to cover it?
[16:47] <+egilchri> thanks Tina. It's close enough for government work
[16:47] <+poisonpill097> Women have a larger market share then black educated males and that is our problem
[16:47] <@TinaGillmor> where's that photo of Sanborn from?
[16:48] <@thagent> wikipedia
[16:48] <+Mickeleh> Tipping point marks the beginning of a long slide into oblivion
[16:48] <@TinaGillmor> ahhh
[16:48] <+poisonpill097> I don't believe in the "tipping" point
[16:48] <&SteveMermelstein> heh mycrazyuncle.com is real... I thought it was a failed April Fools joke
[16:48] <+egilchri> it's a failed year round joke
[16:49] <+poisonpill097> But the British government paid to have Al Gore's movie done
[16:49] <@TinaGillmor> WHAT?
[16:49] <+poisonpill097> It's compelling because British interests say it is
[16:49] <+poisonpill097> UK wants global warming to be an issue just to close more business deals
[16:50] <@TinaGillmor> Oh pleazzze - there is no global warming? come on
[16:51] <+Joffi> UK is an island chain, they might have more interest than that
[16:51] <+amarquart> Politicians pander to the now, don't look far enough into the future
[16:51] <+poisonpill097> Actually, global warming occurs naturally
[16:51] <+poisonpill097> cyclical
[16:51] <+kr8tr> Jerry - I like this Sanborn image: http://www.grusin.net/e72bcbc0.jpg
[16:51] <+poisonpill097> and if you want to use the evolution argument...I guess man has evolved to pollute
[16:52] <+poisonpill097> So who is to deny evolution and climate change as a natural process ?
[16:52] <+amyloo> suggestion: don't engage this guy
[16:53] <+amarquart> why didn't Obama have the balls to stick to his statement?
[16:53] <+poisonpill097> In the political world, we, the poor, are six years old
[16:54] <+poisonpill097> if you arent a 1%er tied to corporate influence...in the Blade Runner world, you're a nobody
[16:54] <+kr8tr> "the poor" don;t have Internet access, and are too busy working to troll chat rooms
[16:54] <+poisonpill097> sorry. Little people
[16:54] <+amarquart> looks good for 63
[16:54] <+Joffi> sounds younger
[16:54] <+poisonpill097> kr8tr...do you have a credit card ?
[16:55] <+kr8tr> nope
[16:55] <+poisonpill097> ok. then I am not talking to you
[16:55] <+poisonpill097> :-)
[16:55] <+Mickeleh> what's the source that UK funded Al Gore's movie?
[16:55] <@TinaGillmor> Richard Belzer calling in soon i think
[16:55] <@TinaGillmor> find your belzer photos Jerry
[16:56] <@TinaGillmor> here he is
[16:56] <ustreamer-75338> can electoral politics really solve our problems?
[16:57] <@TinaGillmor> that was quick
[16:57] <ustreamer-75338> hasn't the world aways been in deep <censored>..what's new
[16:58] <+poisonpill097> They are. no principles
[16:58] <+amarquart> YES
[16:58] <@TinaGillmor> But what do you really think Richard?
[16:58] <+amarquart> Go Richard!
[16:59] <ustreamer-75338> Didn't these guys support Bill and Hillary back in the day? What changed?
[16:59] <@TinaGillmor> everything changed
[16:59] <+Joffi> For myself, Hillary and Bill changed
[16:59] <&SteveMermelstein> Hillary is power hungry, what else is new
[17:00] <@TinaGillmor> My parents are thinking about moving to Mexico - so tired of conditions here
[17:00] <+poisonpill097> Hillary belongs to the same group of elitists that brought black people here to the US under promises of freedom and free enterprise only to leave them stuck as indentured servants...
[17:00] <ustreamer-75338> I think they have always been this way and Obama has made other dem's see it
[17:01] <+poisonpill097> AH HA !
[17:01] <+poisonpill097> At least SOMEONE brought that up
[17:01] <ustreamer-2952> ok . my skype quit, but since I'm not talking, I'm fine withthat
[17:01] <ustreamer-75052> John McCain is just like Denny Crane - mad cow and everything. Denny McCrain?
[17:01] <@TinaGillmor> who is 2952?
03[17:01] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v egilchri
[17:02] <+Joffi> use "/nick namehere" to change your default name btw
[17:02] <@TinaGillmor> Ha 75052 - great one
[17:02] <+egilchri> sorry tina, that would be me
[17:02] <@TinaGillmor> ah
03[17:02] * ustreamer-75052 is now known as bradfarris-2679
[17:02] <+poisonpill097> So true
[17:02] <+poisonpill097> I love this guy
[17:03] <+Mickeleh> Obama is on a path to win. Hillary is on a path to make trouble
[17:03] <+poisonpill097> you don't win until THEY tell you you won
[17:03] <+Mickeleh> 12% of voters were 18-29
[17:04] <+egilchri> anyway welcome to the map, steve and amyloo (no not that steve)
[17:04] <+Joffi> keep him tilted, he's appriciate that, methinks ;)
[17:04] <+Joffi> he'd rather
[17:04] <&SteveMermelstein> :)
[17:04] <+egilchri> what he said
[17:04] <+poisonpill097> McCain will get Obama's people
[17:04] <+jromeh> you'll also see unrebelled children of repub racists out in force
[17:04] <+poisonpill097> Like me.
[17:05] <+jromeh> that wasn't any reference to you
[17:05] <+Joffi> bingo
[17:05] <+poisonpill097> I'm worried to.  Just all of a sudden his security detail just vanishes like when Malcom X got killed...
[17:05] <+poisonpill097> whoops.
[17:05] <+egilchri> so if the picture and sound is gone, I do what?
[17:06] <@thagent> refresh your browser
03[17:06] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v egilchri
[17:06] <@TinaGillmor> Don't get Steve started on '68!!!
03[17:06] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v jcposner
[17:07] <@TinaGillmor> My cat is all over my desk insisting on being pet
[17:07] <+amyloo> Malcolm would be a good debate question.
[17:08] <+amyloo> Should all streets, schools colleges named after him be renamed. Black politicans who admire him be censured.
[17:08] <+amarquart> What? Now I am stupid for not voting for a Dem
[17:08] <@TinaGillmor> Could it be that we send all our "school" money into wars?
[17:08] <+amarquart> elitism?
[17:09] <+poisonpill097> Listen. Everybody needs to read CS Mills
[17:09] <+Joffi> coming from a backwoods midwest town, many ppl vote how their parents would, period, no research themselves
[17:09] <@TinaGillmor> My kids are attending crumbling schools while we wage a senseless war
[17:09] <+kr8tr> I'm looking at 70K next year to put two kids through college.  Would rather not have to starve to educate my kids
[17:09] <bradfarris-2679> Turnout is _definitely_ the story for this election
[17:09] <+amarquart> Joffi I take offense to that too
[17:09] <+egilchri> uh oh, our elitism is showing
[17:10] <+poisonpill097> The only reason why colleges are around is to train military strategists during war time
[17:10] <+amyloo> We remind me of Tom Lehrer's Folk Song Army
[17:10] <+Mickeleh> The single reason NOT to vote McCain is that he has affiliated with the Republican Thugocracy
[17:10] <@TinaGillmor> joffi - so many don't think about it much...don't care...don't realize how bad it all is at this point
[17:10] <+poisonpill097> everything our tax dollars go to is FOR war
[17:10] <+amarquart> Whoa richard, you are a product of capitialism
[17:10] <+poisonpill097> the highway system...for war
[17:11] <+poisonpill097> If the US is ever invaded...Highways close down for military use
[17:11] <+Joffi> fact is most ppl I know live thier lives, just to get by, and don't feel the energy to look around them
[17:11] <+poisonpill097> just like the internet
[17:11] <+amarquart> The war is on loan so now you all are buying into the Clinton & Obama spin
[17:11] <+kr8tr> the highway system - for national defense - not offense
[17:11] <+poisonpill097> defense...offense...whatever
[17:11] <+jcposner> great documentary "why we fight"
[17:11] <+poisonpill097> I love the show
[17:11] <+poisonpill097> I liked Homicide BETTER
[17:11] <+Joffi> he's got the record doesn't he?
[17:11] <+poisonpill097> better writing
[17:12] <&SteveMermelstein> I saw Richard on TheWire in the bar and laughed
[17:12] <+amyloo> wire
[17:12] <+jcposner> ask him if tv is still a vast wasteland?
[17:12] <@BankaiNetworks> Nice!
[17:12] <@TinaGillmor> Well that was fun
[17:12] <+poisonpill097> No...not really.
[17:12] <+Joffi> very
[17:12] <+poisonpill097> Cynical ?
[17:13] <+poisonpill097> That was candyland
[17:13] <+amyloo> he's good, direct, in a Bill Maher way
[17:13] <+Joffi> He says what he thinks, every time I've ever heard him speak on anything.
03[17:13] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v JonathanRauch
[17:13] <+poisonpill097> He was good on Morning Joe
[17:13] <+poisonpill097> kick ass actually
[17:13] <+jcposner> did Belzer use to do standup?
[17:13] <@TinaGillmor> yes - standup
[17:13] <+Mickeleh> Yes. Belzer did great standup
[17:13] <+poisonpill097> there is NO direction. I've spoken to guys up at Yale now
[17:14] <+jcposner> or does he still do it?
[17:14] <+poisonpill097> We are in the time where the game is OVER
[17:14] <+kr8tr> Hosted a standup show... what was that called?
[17:14] <+poisonpill097> Empire has won.
[17:14] <@TinaGillmor> used to open up a newspaper on stage and rif
[17:15] <bradfarris-2679> Exactly. It's not a war. There's no "victory," there's no "defeat."
[17:15] <@TinaGillmor> don't remember that Rob
[17:15] <+jromeh> it's an occupation, and "for all but me" is also the way in many corporations
[17:15] <+jcposner> preaching to the choir, now need to pass the plate and get things done
[17:15] <+poisonpill097> Right.  Empire has won.
[17:15] <+poisonpill097> Everything that is happening now is a rebellion against empire
[17:15] <@TinaGillmor> david used to have a tv show...Night moves or something like that
[17:15] <+poisonpill097> You don't need to be a liberal to understand that the game is over
[17:16] <@TinaGillmor> I thought he was going to say strap on something else - more vulgar
[17:16] <+kr8tr> # Comics Only, Comedy Central, 1991
[17:16] <+poisonpill097> You know, I would like people to stop talking about what they "think" is happening and rather focus on what we are going to do about it
[17:17] <+poisonpill097> Like decentralizing the internet from major telcos that are subject to government intervention
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[17:17] <@TinaGillmor> hmm - Imissed that show - not suprised though
[17:17] <+jromeh> loved night moves, watched it every sunday, have some vhs still around somewhere
[17:17] <+poisonpill097> I'm ready to use the internet to organize. Sick of talking
[17:18] <@TinaGillmor> Really loved that show too
[17:18] <@TinaGillmor>  saw a taping of it once
[17:19] <+Joffi> If Barak is out, it then becomes the lesser of two evils, imo
[17:20] <&SteveMermelstein> lol
[17:20] <+poisonpill097> Who is to say that Hillary's goal is not to destroy the party ?
[17:20] <+poisonpill097> Kerry was a Skull
[17:20] <+poisonpill097> Bush is a Skull
[17:20] <+Mickeleh> There's an unbalance among the three branches
[17:21] <+poisonpill097> who is Clinton ?
[17:21] <+poisonpill097> Well in the 70's, the CIA were practicing taking over the government when Kennedy became president
[17:21] <+poisonpill097> VIVA LA REPUBLIC !
[17:21] <ustreamer-86924> The superdelegates will have to track to Obama now to stop Hillary
[17:22] <+poisonpill097> ha.
[17:22] <+Mickeleh> The problem with the congress is that there are not enough good Democrats in it.
[17:22] <+kr8tr> Jerry - enjoying the photos :)
[17:22] <+poisonpill097> Eventually = when China falls in 10 years
[17:22] <+poisonpill097> China falls and the credit market with it
[17:22] <@TinaGillmor> Who is poisonpill? Do I know you?
[17:22] <@TinaGillmor> are we twitter friends?
[17:23] <+poisonpill097> yes.
[17:23] <+amyloo> true == congress are chicken <censored>
[17:23] <@TinaGillmor> oh, what is your twitter  name?
[17:23] <+jcposner> we are still a relatively young country trying to figure things out, it may take another 200 years before was are truly a representative democracy
[17:23] <+poisonpill097> my friend and I have a meeting location when the government falls
[17:24] <+poisonpill097> I have talked to people with PHDs that have given this country 50 years IF THAT !
[17:24] <+poisonpill097> what do these guys care
[17:24] <+poisonpill097> they'll be dead !
[17:24] <+amyloo> obama-clinton ticket might have a good coattail effect
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[17:25] <+jcposner> Obama has changed the money problem
[17:25] <+Joffi> I've talked to family who think the rapture is any day now, may as well lie down and die, eh?
[17:25] <+amyloo> then, in greater numbers, they wouldn't have to be so afraid of appearing "unpatriotic"
[17:25] <+jcposner> you no longer need big donors
[17:25] <+poisonpill097> whatever. I'm not going to just throw my hands up in the air and say I give up
[17:25] <+poisonpill097> nor am I going to believe in a Jesus to save me
[17:26] <+Joffi> that was my point ;)
[17:26] <+poisonpill097> freakin get out there and start your own politcal party
[17:26] <@TinaGillmor> amyloo - that could go either way
[17:27] <+amyloo> you think, tina? too much friction for it to work even after the summer?
[17:27] <+poisonpill097> TV is a tool for the elitists(idiots) as Steve would say
[17:27] <+poisonpill097> I agree Steve
[17:28] <+poisonpill097> no barrier UNTIL you get in their way
[17:28] <+poisonpill097> its all talk
[17:28] <+poisonpill097> lol
[17:28] <+poisonpill097> right
[17:28] <@TinaGillmor> hard to say -- there would have to be some peace pipe passed.
[17:29] <ustreamer-34548> That's a quaint device Steve is talking on.  What's it called?
[17:29] <+poisonpill097> I'll smoke it. pass it on over.
[17:29] <ustreamer-34548> I especially like the curly cue cord.
[17:29] <@TinaGillmor> not sure it would work. Plenty of voter would like it but it would turn off many also
[17:30] <+poisonpill097> So...Hillary gets on his ticket
[17:30] <+poisonpill097> and then Obama gets wacked
[17:30] <+poisonpill097> LBJ all over again
[17:30] <@TinaGillmor> 34548 - whatever works...just so happens it gives us better sound than some other devices
[17:30] <@TinaGillmor> for now
[17:30] <ustreamer-34548> Better than a digital headset?
[17:30] <ustreamer-34548> Sound I mean
[17:30] <+jcposner> Obama will keep his hands clean and let others get down in the ditch
[17:31] <+Mickeleh> They're more tethered to their corporate overlords than to the FCC
[17:31] <@TinaGillmor> we've had some issues
[17:31] <ustreamer-34548> waves at the agent - our host here
[17:31] <@TinaGillmor> and quite hoenestly he doesn't like sounding SO much better than everyone else.
[17:32] <+poisonpill097> There is no more pages after this
[17:32] <+poisonpill097> Major disaster will happen. Close of major democratic institutions. The end.
[17:33] <@TinaGillmor> just wanted to see where my hand would show up
[17:33] <+Mickeleh> I agree w/ David on this. Many Obama supporters are saying something similar.
[17:33] <+jcposner> maybe sanborn can talk dave letterman into endorsing Obama ahead of Indiana
[17:33] <+kr8tr> Obama makes people THINK.  Period
[17:33] <+amyloo> i wrote a post last weekend about him bringing out the best in us, actually
[17:33] <+poisonpill097> Obama thinks because of us, kr8. what are you talking about ?
[17:34] <+amyloo> so i guess I'm corny too
[17:34] <+poisonpill097> He wouldn't even be running if there was no demand
[17:34] <+jromeh> via dwiner davewiner: More people have dreamed about voting for Hillary than anyone else including McCain. http://tinyurl.com/4bjlbe
[17:34] <+jcposner> Letterman has always stayed on the sidelines, that needs to change
[17:34] <+Mickeleh> Obama makes us all corny
[17:34] <@TinaGillmor> david thinks he brings out the best in us - that'simportant, no?
[17:34] <+jromeh> also someone has set up @davewine "unblocked dave winer"
[17:34] <+Mickeleh> Not sure that Letterman's endorsement is worth anything
[17:34] <+poisonpill097> Big Bird says he brings out the best in all of us
[17:35] <ustreamer-34548> Will Obama have a Dem majority in Congress to work with?
[17:35] <@TinaGillmor> jromeh  - saw that- might follow
[17:35] <+jcposner> thanks steve
[17:35] <ustreamer-34548> Oops!  chat stopped working?
[17:35] <+poisonpill097> Does Carson like banana chips ?
[17:36] <+amyloo> thanks
[17:36] <+amyloo> good show
[17:36] <+Mickeleh> Thanks, Dave... thanks Steve, tina, techaura, et al.
[17:36] <ustreamer-34548> Chat room isn't updating for me now.
[17:36] <@TinaGillmor> thanks everyone
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[17:36] <@TinaGillmor> ----end show---------
[17:36] <+Jari_Ra> that was good show...
[17:36] <&SteveMermelstein> excellent show Steve and gang!
[17:37] <+poisonpill097> just a bunch of people complaining. But I'm stoked
[17:37] <ustreamer-34548> Hello to Steve's nostrils
[17:37] <+jcposner> very cool
[17:37] <+poisonpill097> now I got to go back to work
[17:37] <+poisonpill097> :-(
[17:37] <@stevegillmor> thanks all
[17:37] <+poisonpill097> *tin hat salute.
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[17:38] <+Jari_Ra> Cool I didn't earlier realise that David is the "David Sandborn". We listened to many of his albums when we played Fusion-Jazz...
[17:39] <+Jari_Ra> small world...
[17:39] <ustreamer-29771> Cool guest
[17:41] <+Jari_Ra> We played that song at the time...
[17:41] <@stevegillmor> jerry my cam still on
[17:41] <@thagent> yes on my end
[17:42] <@TinaGillmor> jari_ra what song?
[17:42] <+Jari_Ra> the one Jerry was playing...
[17:42] <@thagent> cam off now..
[17:42] <@TinaGillmor> oh  have my audio off now.
[17:42] <+Jari_Ra> this masquerade was the song's name..i think...
[17:43] <@TinaGillmor> david has a new record coming out in summer
[17:43] <+Jari_Ra> I have to check it out...
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[17:44] <@TinaGillmor> I have heard the pre-release - it's very good
[17:45] <@TinaGillmor> I need to run right now folks.
[17:45] <+Jari_Ra> bye Tina...
[17:46] <@TinaGillmor> thanks - bye
[17:46] <+Jari_Ra> I have 5 invites left to Jaiku if anyone wants to check it out...
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[17:51] <@thagent> <---AFK
[17:52] <ustreamer-78688> Just finished my meetings...how did things go today?
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[17:53] <+human2> oops that was me asking..didn't realized I wasn't logged in.
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[17:59] <@BankaiNetworks> A lot of discussions regarding politics.
[18:00] <@BankaiNetworks> How was the meetings?
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03[18:30] * BankaiNetworks is now known as afk_BankaiNetworks
[18:35] <+jromeh> have a link to this vid handy?
[18:40] <@thagent> http://mschnlnine.vo.llnwd.net/d1/on10/8/3/0/2/2/CH10LiveMesh_on10.wmv
[18:41] <+jromeh> thanks!