NewsGang and Gillmor Gang IRC Transcripts for 06/11/2008

Gillmor Gang 06.11.08

NewsGang Live 06.11.08

Session Start: Wed Jun 11 16:09:00 2008
Session Ident: #newsgang-live
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012008/06/11 [16:09] <+ConnectedGeek-H> why didn't anyone tell me we moved?
2008/06/11 [16:10] <+treeshapiro> but scoble's is a blog? or everyone else out there who moderate the hell out of their comments?
2008/06/11 [16:11] <+kshep> I sorta hope product plans and customer support don't end up coming from investors
2008/06/11 [16:11] <+shareme> we did was in twitter :)
2008/06/11 [16:12] <+treeshapiro> with ornette
2008/06/11 [16:13] <+TinaGillmor> Larry - sorry. It was a fast decision and even faster implementation.
2008/06/11 [16:13] <+kshep> what about track on the web?
2008/06/11 [16:14] <+kshep> TwitterGang
012008/06/11 [16:14] <+ConnectedGeek-H> ok
012008/06/11 [16:14] <+ConnectedGeek-H> no prob
2008/06/11 [16:14] <+WebPixie-1> can you use track in the web app?
2008/06/11 [16:15] <+kshep> no. that's never worked, WP
2008/06/11 [16:16] <+treeshapiro> they're mocking you
2008/06/11 [16:16] <+WebPixie-1> but it does on im? web-based or phone-based only?
2008/06/11 [16:17] <+WebPixie-1> new topic. so never mind :-)
2008/06/11 [16:17] <+kshep> it used to work on SMS for sure, and IM by some accounts. I've only seen it work on SMS, and it went down about two days after I learned about it. :-)
2008/06/11 [16:18] <+amarquart> of course you'd disagree
2008/06/11 [16:18] <+treeshapiro> oh no
2008/06/11 [16:19] <+treeshapiro> CGP - cheese grater photo So Distracting and Distressing
2008/06/11 [16:19] <+WebPixie-1> i think they should wait 'til after the election and then prosecute
2008/06/11 [16:20] <+WebPixie-1> so now i'm in trouble; should remember to keep my mouth & keyboard quiet
2008/06/11 [16:21] <+WebPixie-1> i see the black helicoptors on the horizon now ;-)
2008/06/11 [16:21] <+shareme> black? I thought they were purple?
2008/06/11 [16:21] <+treeshapiro> no comment
2008/06/11 [16:22] <+WebPixie-1> you're right, a very dark purple
2008/06/11 [16:22] <+kshep> Mercedes Blue
2008/06/11 [16:22] <+treeshapiro> i would prefer not to hear rob talk about the blow job thank you
2008/06/11 [16:22] <+WebPixie-1> right, you can never tell the difference on law & order
2008/06/11 [16:23] <+WebPixie-1> maybe they're dark navy like monica's dress
2008/06/11 [16:23] <+WebPixie-1> most expensive bj in the history of the world (sorry kr8tr, in absentia)
2008/06/11 [16:23] <+shareme> no dark black like B2 colors
2008/06/11 [16:24] <+WebPixie-1> stealth helicoptors
2008/06/11 [16:24] <+treeshapiro> stealth lolicopters
2008/06/11 [16:25] <+kshep> Is Kucinich taken seriously by the leadership of either party?
2008/06/11 [16:26] <+shareme> no he was not taken seriously last time either
2008/06/11 [16:26] <+WebPixie-1> saw that on twitter
2008/06/11 [16:28] <+WebPixie-1> it's so hard to trust hillary (sorry steve)
2008/06/11 [16:28] <+WebPixie-1> maybe it's more hillary's surrogates that are so hard to trust
2008/06/11 [16:29] <+treeshapiro> sofa: http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=59576&sectionid=351020201
2008/06/11 [16:30] <+WebPixie-1> unless it's hillary
2008/06/11 [16:30] <+treeshapiro> has he shot his friend in the face yet?
2008/06/11 [16:31] <+kshep> STrickland
2008/06/11 [16:31] <+WebPixie-1> face shooting is now a prerequisite for vp consideration
2008/06/11 [16:31] <+treeshapiro> as it should be
2008/06/11 [16:31] <+WebPixie-1> lol
2008/06/11 [16:31] <+treeshapiro> no! CGP!
2008/06/11 [16:32] <+WebPixie-1> if no hillary then no one
2008/06/11 [16:32] <+kshep> and Janet Napolitano
2008/06/11 [16:32] <+treeshapiro> how many times do i have to say this? go check the odds at ladbrokes and hills in the uk.
2008/06/11 [16:32] <+WebPixie-1> cgp?
2008/06/11 [16:33] <+treeshapiro> they are not the biggest legitimate bookmakers in the world for nothing.
2008/06/11 [16:33] <+WebPixie-1> who has the best odds?
2008/06/11 [16:33] <+treeshapiro> Cheese Grater Photo
2008/06/11 [16:33] <+treeshapiro> hillary
2008/06/11 [16:33] <+WebPixie-1> haha - that cheesegrater looked like a microphone to me 'til he set us straight
2008/06/11 [16:33] <+kshep> James Jones
2008/06/11 [16:34] <+kshep> is a Vietnam veteran, NATO Supreme Allied Commander and Middle East peace envoy for President Bush. Jones has been mentioned as a potential VP candidate since the summer, despite nobody knowing which party he supports. He is also from Missouri, which could help in that swing state.
2008/06/11 [16:34] <+treeshapiro> ladbrokes has webb as #2 and hill has kathleen sibel..... can't spell.
2008/06/11 [16:34] <+WebPixie-1> it's about payback for not challenging with the credentials committee
2008/06/11 [16:34] <+treeshapiro> it wasn't kool-aid btw, at jonestown.
2008/06/11 [16:34] <+treeshapiro> it was like crystal lite or some <censored>
2008/06/11 [16:34] <+WebPixie-1> kansas kathleen for #1?
2008/06/11 [16:34] <+treeshapiro> seriously
2008/06/11 [16:35] <+treeshapiro> no, second pick
2008/06/11 [16:35] <+kshep> most recnetly Jones was Chairman of the Indep. Commisson on the Security Forces of Iraq
2008/06/11 [16:35] <+shareme> kool-ia dwas tbhe other one not jonestwon
2008/06/11 [16:35] <+treeshapiro> i posted the odds on the wall on the gg FB group
2008/06/11 [16:35] <+WebPixie-1> thanks
2008/06/11 [16:35] <+kshep> James Jones = Colin Powell. Sorta
2008/06/11 [16:36] <+shareme> not likely
2008/06/11 [16:36] <+treeshapiro> pepsi coke debate
2008/06/11 [16:36] <+Karoli-1> thanx kshep
2008/06/11 [16:36] <+kshep> certainly not in terms of visibility/reputation, but somewhat similar backgrounds
2008/06/11 [16:38] <+WebPixie-1> indeed it is the young and poor this time more than viet nam
2008/06/11 [16:38] <+treeshapiro> they will. what is most distressing is that americans have been so jaded and lulled into apathy. any other country would be taking to the streets - would have long ago
2008/06/11 [16:38] <+Karoli-1> treeshapiro speaks truth
2008/06/11 [16:38] <+treeshapiro> with educations. please.
2008/06/11 [16:38] <+jromeh> first time voters often mimic their parents' opinions
2008/06/11 [16:38] <+WebPixie-1> if theydon't have exams the next day
2008/06/11 [16:39] <+kshep> I'll bet you college campus turnout is 90%+ this time around
2008/06/11 [16:39] <+Karoli-1> jromeh but in the primaries, the young people were influencing their parents' vote
2008/06/11 [16:40] <+jromeh> some were, and many others are sheep who've not rejected their 'rents' views
2008/06/11 [16:40] <+treeshapiro> i think it's absurd to assume that parents influence the young person's vote
2008/06/11 [16:40] <+treeshapiro> ageist
2008/06/11 [16:40] <+kshep> seems like that'd correlate pretty highly with indep vs. party affiliated folks
2008/06/11 [16:41] <+theagent> who is speaking?
2008/06/11 [16:41] <+aronski> aron
2008/06/11 [16:41] <+treeshapiro> aron?
2008/06/11 [16:41] <+aronski> aronski
2008/06/11 [16:41] <+kshep> i.e. if the parents are indep, the kids probably have more influence over parents than in straight ticket-type households
2008/06/11 [16:41] <+theagent> kk
2008/06/11 [16:42] <+jromeh> agree kshep here in dupage see many kids who don't question their parents views, but see themselves on the "same side"
2008/06/11 [16:43] <+treeshapiro> definitely
2008/06/11 [16:43] <+kshep> yeah, if your constantly hearing dinner conversation that's one side or the other, it probably sinks in
2008/06/11 [16:43] <+treeshapiro> i don't like her, as i've said before, but strategically it's the only way to go
2008/06/11 [16:43] <+kshep> there's only so much that can be offset by Jon Stewart ;-)
2008/06/11 [16:44] <+treeshapiro> kshep, i was just thinking of bringing his influence up
2008/06/11 [16:44] <+treeshapiro> gods help us
2008/06/11 [16:45] <+treeshapiro> feed the scobles
2008/06/11 [16:45] <+WebPixie-1> fb won't let me see your post, tree - i'll send you a friend request, k?
2008/06/11 [16:45] <+jromeh> clap, clap, clap!
2008/06/11 [16:45] <+treeshapiro> no problem WP
2008/06/11 [16:46] <+treeshapiro> links to both bookmakers are there
2008/06/11 [16:46] <+treeshapiro> you can also google ladbrokes and william hill - but the sites are annoying and difficult to navigate all the football pages
2008/06/11 [16:46] <+treeshapiro> a monstrous regiment of women
2008/06/11 [16:47] <+amarquart> finish the quote..." it is more important them not getting killed"
2008/06/11 [16:47] <+treeshapiro> (it's a book people, calm down)
2008/06/11 [16:47] <+WebPixie-1> ok, will try that next
2008/06/11 [16:47] <+amarquart> what McCain is saying is the same as REDEPLOYING
2008/06/11 [16:48] <+WebPixie-1> he's sorry it didn't quite work as he planned
2008/06/11 [16:48] <+treeshapiro> WP: sent you a friend request
2008/06/11 [16:48] <+treeshapiro> hahahahahhahhahhah!!!
2008/06/11 [16:49] <+mstearne> More importanly McCain is saying it's ok to keep troops there like we do in Japan, Germany, Korea, etc
2008/06/11 [16:49] <+WebPixie-1> 'k
2008/06/11 [16:50] <+treeshapiro> (the haha for for francy's "you're gonna think this is funny, not you)
2008/06/11 [16:50] <+mstearne> It still means families will be away from 150,000 troops for a year at a time.
2008/06/11 [16:50] <+treeshapiro> try two or sometimes three
2008/06/11 [16:50] <+treeshapiro> stop loss
2008/06/11 [16:50] <+treeshapiro> bush lied about that too
2008/06/11 [16:51] <+treeshapiro> take to the streets
2008/06/11 [16:51] <+treeshapiro> we know the answer already
2008/06/11 [16:51] <+WebPixie-1> 3/1 omg
2008/06/11 [16:51] <+treeshapiro> yeah;
2008/06/11 [16:51] <+kshep> the first trick is to get everybody to agree on what religion everyone should be
2008/06/11 [16:52] <+kshep> once everybody believes in the same God, we're all set
2008/06/11 [16:52] <+WebPixie-1> so gene, tell us tell us
2008/06/11 [16:52] <+WebPixie-1> sounds good
2008/06/11 [16:52] <+shareme> no religion works for me
2008/06/11 [16:53] <+WebPixie-1> there is no air in denver
2008/06/11 [16:53] <+WebPixie-1> did you jog?
2008/06/11 [16:53] <+TinaGillmor> I totally get sick when I'm in Denver
2008/06/11 [16:54] <+TinaGillmor> very prone to motion sickness too...correlation?
2008/06/11 [16:54] <+WebPixie-1> maybe not, i get sick in denver too but no motion sickness that i can think of
2008/06/11 [16:55] <+TinaGillmor> you get dehydrated easier there too
2008/06/11 [16:55] <+WebPixie-1> and that probably just adds to the misery
2008/06/11 [16:55] <+WebPixie-1> so many hillary fans
2008/06/11 [16:56] <+kshep> prevent/present... same thing
2008/06/11 [16:56] <+WebPixie-1> present it?
2008/06/11 [16:56] <+WebPixie-1> not for w and his gang
2008/06/11 [16:57] <+Karoli-1> Morra Aarons nails the women thing http://www.blogher.com/im-no-more-hillarys-woman-i-was-soccer-mom-or-sex-and-city-voter
2008/06/11 [16:57] <+WebPixie-1> someone we never heard of
2008/06/11 [16:57] <+WebPixie-1> already?
2008/06/11 [16:58] <+treeshapiro> interesting link, need time to really read it
2008/06/11 [16:59] <+kshep> #gillmorgang-live ?
2008/06/11 [17:00] <+aronski> thanks Steve...
2008/06/11 [17:00] <+theagent> no.. we stay here
2008/06/11 [17:00] <+aronski> Thanks Jerry
2008/06/11 [17:00] <+WebPixie-1> thanks all
2008/06/11 [17:00] <+theagent> this will be the room from now on
2008/06/11 [17:00] <+amarquart> is this the place for Gillmor Gang?
2008/06/11 [17:00] <+theagent> yes
2008/06/11 [17:00] <+TinaGillmor> ----end of show-----
2008/06/11 [17:01] <+aronski> Hope to find a way to join in from overseas...
2008/06/11 [17:01] <+amarquart> Did steve have a wardrobe change?
2008/06/11 [17:01] <+TinaGillmor> ----Show start for Gillmor Gang wednesday June 11-----
2008/06/11 [17:03] <+treeshapiro> wow he sounds positively enthusiastic compared to normal
2008/06/11 [17:04] <+treeshapiro> pick me up some lobster rolls
2008/06/11 [17:04] <+TinaGillmor> on call - Dan Farber, Robert Anderson, Robert Scoble
2008/06/11 [17:06] <+treeshapiro> risk management robert anderson or forumula one robert anderson?
2008/06/11 [17:07] <+jcposner> Seems Schmidt is on the secretive side
2008/06/11 [17:07] <+jcposner> would expect more transparency for a company that wants to organize the worlds information
2008/06/11 [17:08] <+treeshapiro> 1. given to seizing for plunder or the satisfaction of greed.2. inordinately greedy; predatory; extortionate: a rapacious disposition.3. (of animals) subsisting by the capture of living prey; predacious.
2008/06/11 [17:08] <+mterenzio> i think even your average Joe is getting more worried about Google being too powerful
2008/06/11 [17:09] <+treeshapiro> ms google ms google
2008/06/11 [17:09] <+mterenzio> neither
2008/06/11 [17:09] <+jcposner> all
2008/06/11 [17:09] <+treeshapiro> and ms pac man
2008/06/11 [17:09] <+jcposner> apple
2008/06/11 [17:09] <+mterenzio> all companies
2008/06/11 [17:10] <+treeshapiro> same root as <censored>?
2008/06/11 [17:10] <+mterenzio> whenever anyone retires or dies everyone thinks he was a good guy
2008/06/11 [17:10] <+mterenzio> Bill was a nice guy really
2008/06/11 [17:10] <+jcposner> I have heard that Gates was a brilliant guy technically..was that a myth or fact?
2008/06/11 [17:11] <+kshep> he hasn't "retired" yet has he?
2008/06/11 [17:11] <+mterenzio> I've wondered about that myself Jim
2008/06/11 [17:11] <+mterenzio> Brilliant or just real good at business
2008/06/11 [17:12] <+jcposner> just wonder how deep his knowledge went..ie down to groking function method of obsure system calls
2008/06/11 [17:12] <+mterenzio> Hailstorm has led way to the Blizzard of OZ
2008/06/11 [17:12] <+kshep> at what point, j?
2008/06/11 [17:13] <+mterenzio> was he a programmer?
2008/06/11 [17:13] <+mterenzio> I thought so
2008/06/11 [17:13] <+jcposner> just wonder if he got into design discussion calls for the OS
2008/06/11 [17:13] <+TinaGillmor> tweet link http://ustream.tv/channel/newsgang-live
2008/06/11 [17:13] <+shareme> no tmuchj last system he wrote was Basic
2008/06/11 [17:13] <+jcposner> I guess that answers it
2008/06/11 [17:13] <+mterenzio> Cool new URL
2008/06/11 [17:14] <+TinaGillmor> thanks matt
2008/06/11 [17:15] <+jcposner> I just wonder if he was so technically brillant why so many of the products don't reflect it..ie brittle monolithic strutures
2008/06/11 [17:15] <+treeshapiro> this may seem off point, but when doc mentioned live.com the other night, i went and had a look and it puts google satelite to shame. but as doc said, there is nobody covering this.
2008/06/11 [17:15] <+mterenzio> well things got big pretty quick Jim. he must have had to delegate
2008/06/11 [17:16] <+mterenzio> But the cultur was never one of "slickness" but utility
2008/06/11 [17:16] <+mterenzio> and bugs ; )
2008/06/11 [17:16] <+jcposner> I think the new design sensibilites have been trending toward "loosely coupled" I really never pickup that MS got on that train
2008/06/11 [17:16] <+mterenzio> Windows 95 kicked Butt
2008/06/11 [17:17] <+jcposner> ie seems every thing coming out of MS was "tightly coupled"
2008/06/11 [17:17] <+mterenzio> It's kinda like hollywood actors that peak at different points in their careers
2008/06/11 [17:18] <+jcposner> Hopefully that is changing with RO
2008/06/11 [17:18] <+mterenzio> WE are in a loosely coupled world JIm, so if that's true they are Dodo Birds
2008/06/11 [17:19] <+treeshapiro> please don't say small pieces loosely joined...
2008/06/11 [17:19] <+mterenzio> SSE was their coolest thing and that led to Mesh, so maybe there is a furtue here
2008/06/11 [17:20] <+mterenzio> Companies that Big have so much going on though
2008/06/11 [17:20] <+jcposner> I am hoping that mesh truly signals the game has changed and that openness is as important as the franchise
2008/06/11 [17:20] <+mterenzio> I think they are Open these days
2008/06/11 [17:20] <+treeshapiro> on the chat boards of mesh they won't directly answer the question of how much they are going to charge. mesh.
2008/06/11 [17:20] <+mterenzio> They were always as Open as say a Twitter.\
2008/06/11 [17:21] <+mterenzio> Windows let apps be built
2008/06/11 [17:21] <+treeshapiro> but they indicate that they will charge at some point
2008/06/11 [17:21] <+mterenzio> like Twitter does
2008/06/11 [17:21] <+mterenzio> both had trouble communicating
2008/06/11 [17:21] <+shareme> They are as open as the New Russia?
2008/06/11 [17:21] <+aronski> Perhaps the fact we have so many things we want to connect makes the need for a hub/interchange/crossroads so appealing, and that we'd be willing for the provider of the hub with the ability to sniff/profit and hopefully not plunder...
2008/06/11 [17:21] <+treeshapiro> rocking chair
2008/06/11 [17:21] <+jcposner> when I say open I mean there backend code is platform neutral
2008/06/11 [17:22] <+mterenzio> Today I tried to convince my company to drop Exchange and use Google Apps
2008/06/11 [17:22] <+mterenzio> The Exchange vendor tried to do end arounds my points and I walked out of the meeting
2008/06/11 [17:22] <+jcposner> good for you
2008/06/11 [17:23] <+mterenzio> It was all BUnk
2008/06/11 [17:23] <+mterenzio> I then returned to the meeting and let the publisher know that I am in a different camp as them
2008/06/11 [17:23] <+jcposner> the exchange tenticles run deep, as do the intellectual property lock into .ppt
2008/06/11 [17:24] <+mterenzio> They tried to bring up Office and I said "not Office, Exchange!"
2008/06/11 [17:24] <+jcposner> and word and et. al
2008/06/11 [17:24] <+aronski> Do the call people other than Steve think there will be a housecleaning as soon as Gates takes his bow?
2008/06/11 [17:24] <+mterenzio> But I also said I'm ready to drop Office, but maybe not the company
2008/06/11 [17:24] <+jcposner> what is the old guard saying according to Scoble
2008/06/11 [17:25] <+mterenzio> Not the future. . .but the near future maybe
2008/06/11 [17:25] <+jcposner> Has Ballmer bought into the open vision?
2008/06/11 [17:25] <+mterenzio> Silverlight has the future
2008/06/11 [17:25] <+mterenzio> and Mesh
2008/06/11 [17:26] <+treeshapiro> are they, like, naming a fish sandwich after him in the backround or something?
2008/06/11 [17:26] <+mterenzio> The Web OS is SOOOOOO here right now. We can't even see it because it's so close
2008/06/11 [17:26] <+aronski> Yeah, but will the politically savvy/strong crush the visionary, as they often do?
2008/06/11 [17:27] <+mterenzio> hey Aronski a new Twitter follow for me
2008/06/11 [17:27] <+treeshapiro> i think a caper got stuck in his phone
2008/06/11 [17:27] <+aronski> yes indeed.
2008/06/11 [17:27] <+shareme> was it an ms phone?
2008/06/11 [17:27] <+shareme> :) lol
2008/06/11 [17:28] <+treeshapiro> no it was a me phone
2008/06/11 [17:28] <+mterenzio> I like your Track posts today Aronski
2008/06/11 [17:28] <+jcposner> will there ever be another company bold enough to create a new OS?
2008/06/11 [17:28] <+treeshapiro> of course there will be
2008/06/11 [17:28] <+jcposner> I hope so
2008/06/11 [17:28] <+mterenzio> Awesome idea Jim, but when the web os is here it could be Linux
2008/06/11 [17:28] <+jcposner> seems the ecosystem is grown into a monoculture
2008/06/11 [17:29] <+jcposner> I thought Bell Labs was working on something several years ago
2008/06/11 [17:29] <+jcposner> or was it Lucent
2008/06/11 [17:29] <+mterenzio> when storage is all you need and functionality is in the cloud, Linux is better than OSX
2008/06/11 [17:29] <+treeshapiro> just imitating the political arena, which imitates the business arena and so on like a snake eating its own tail
2008/06/11 [17:29] <+jcposner> forgot the name but was very revolutionary
2008/06/11 [17:29] <+aronski> Well, I suppose that just getting the word "Track" on Summize, in the ears of the people who can do something about it, maybe just get it to buzz a bit might light a little fire for us, the users OR for anyone embracing Plan B...
2008/06/11 [17:30] <+Folknology> I still think they are moving to slow, they seem to be out maneuvered by Google
2008/06/11 [17:31] <+mterenzio> medium size Google announcement in a few weeks but I am under NDA
2008/06/11 [17:31] <+Folknology> What about Amazon? do they get bought?
2008/06/11 [17:31] <+shareme> is it about Android?
2008/06/11 [17:32] <+mterenzio> is Summize working in Real Time?
2008/06/11 [17:32] <+mterenzio> I'm about to do an end around twitter if Summize is?
2008/06/11 [17:32] <+mterenzio> they have a good API
2008/06/11 [17:33] <+mterenzio> This waiting for Twitter is getting foolish
2008/06/11 [17:33] <+mterenzio> 'Amazon is great
2008/06/11 [17:34] <+mterenzio> I see myslef using Amazon for all my host-like Web Services if G or M doesn't get involved
2008/06/11 [17:34] <+jcposner> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_operating_systems
2008/06/11 [17:34] <+aronski> Summize has been fast, I am not sure if it is limited but the API limit or not.
2008/06/11 [17:34] <+mterenzio> NeXT
2008/06/11 [17:34] <+shareme> what about rackspace's cloud?
2008/06/11 [17:34] <+shareme> BeOS
2008/06/11 [17:35] <+mterenzio> possible Shareme
2008/06/11 [17:35] <+shareme> not really Palm owns BeOS
2008/06/11 [17:35] <+mterenzio> Lock In is dead
2008/06/11 [17:36] <+shareme> true bu it take some longer to wake up to that
2008/06/11 [17:36] <+kshep> Doesn't BeOS belong to Access now?
2008/06/11 [17:36] <+jcposner> Plan 9 always looked interesting to me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Bell_Labs
2008/06/11 [17:36] <+shareme> yes Access now
2008/06/11 [17:36] <+mterenzio> Lock In is like Sly and the Family Stone "Free in your mind if you want to be"
2008/06/11 [17:36] <+kshep> Palm -> Palm + PalmSource -> Palm / Access
2008/06/11 [17:38] <+kshep> plus whatever else developers use it to push
2008/06/11 [17:39] <+kshep> you don't now
2008/06/11 [17:39] <+mterenzio> twitter, BTW is signalling what New companies of all types should be thinking about. Amzingly I've convinced my Editors that it is important. They are open to using it
2008/06/11 [17:39] <+mterenzio> News companies I meant
2008/06/11 [17:39] <+mterenzio> and new
2008/06/11 [17:39] <+kshep> $99/year is comparable to Blackberry or Good/Exchange
2008/06/11 [17:40] <+mterenzio> yeah the price is a killer
2008/06/11 [17:40] <+mterenzio> but they'll get some revenue from it no doubt
2008/06/11 [17:40] <+mterenzio> then drop the price
2008/06/11 [17:40] <+Folknology> They are competing with blackberry not google
2008/06/11 [17:40] <+kshep> I don't really get that. For corporate users the $99/yr isn't a big deal
2008/06/11 [17:41] <+mterenzio> good point kshep
2008/06/11 [17:41] <+kshep> ...when it's competing with BlackBerry or Exhange hosting. +1 Folknology
2008/06/11 [17:41] <+mterenzio> But all things come down to a zero price or an attention price at some point
2008/06/11 [17:41] <+mterenzio> because we are changing what Business actually means as well
2008/06/11 [17:42] <+kshep> you can now roll out iPhones to your company instead of BlackBerrys or Windows Mobile devices, and you're set even if you don't want to host something yourself
2008/06/11 [17:42] <+alexbellinger> Do you really want your employees to have a mobile gaming platform?
2008/06/11 [17:42] <+kshep> nobody (and I use the term figuratively) pays for their own BlackBerry
2008/06/11 [17:42] <+mterenzio> My comapny is 83 people and they will have their email in the cloud . . .
2008/06/11 [17:43] <+alexbellinger> Most corporates shut down Facebook. They're not going to give execs a psp
2008/06/11 [17:43] <+mterenzio> Corporate is dead. ; )
2008/06/11 [17:43] <+kshep> I got the impression Apple was going to give orgs the ability to deploy to/wipe the devices
2008/06/11 [17:44] <+alexbellinger> kshep ... really?
2008/06/11 [17:44] <+mterenzio> the problem alex is that shutting down doesn't stop peple from using useful things they just do an end-around
2008/06/11 [17:44] <+kshep> in the keynote they were talking about being able to group iPhone together and push apps to them
2008/06/11 [17:44] <+kshep> and there's a wipe capability
2008/06/11 [17:44] <+shareme> like vpn thorugh chineese firewall
2008/06/11 [17:44] <+mterenzio> take IM away, and they use proxy or Meebo
2008/06/11 [17:44] <+alexbellinger> interesting
2008/06/11 [17:45] <+kshep> don't hold me to any details... that's an IIRC ;-)
2008/06/11 [17:45] <+alexbellinger> it would make a lot of sense kshep
2008/06/11 [17:46] <+kshep> (looking for a link)
2008/06/11 [17:46] <+mterenzio> there is still aTON of money in Enterprise though but . . .
2008/06/11 [17:46] <+mterenzio> more and more workers are contarct and remote
2008/06/11 [17:46] <+mterenzio> contrcat
2008/06/11 [17:46] <+mterenzio> contract damn it
2008/06/11 [17:47] <+mterenzio> Publisher heard about Attensa, now wants RSS
2008/06/11 [17:47] <+mterenzio> oh brother
2008/06/11 [17:47] <+kshep> Post Jobs, Google acquires Apple :-)
2008/06/11 [17:48] <+kshep> http://www.apple.com/iphone/enterprise/integration.html
2008/06/11 [17:48] <+mterenzio> The future is a bunch of independent workers under the banner of a large Comapny name
2008/06/11 [17:48] <+Folknology> Are you sure that Mesh will overtake the other interest inside Micorsoft, That battle could play out for years, what is it that makes it switch faster?
2008/06/11 [17:48] <+alexbellinger> matt I'm all for employee end arounds within corporations. You can't and shouldn't stop it. Purchasing departments are hard nosed, as they should be. They're not going to want to pay for Super Monkey Ball.
2008/06/11 [17:48] <+treeshapiro> remind me what acrobat is
2008/06/11 [17:48] <+alexbellinger> thanks for the link kshep
2008/06/11 [17:48] <+mterenzio> Like Hollywood movies being released under a Big Studio
2008/06/11 [17:48] <+kshep> couldn't agree more, matt
2008/06/11 [17:49] <+kshep> I've always thought the whole dot-com bubble was incredibly studio/film like
2008/06/11 [17:49] <+kshep> VCs = producers
2008/06/11 [17:49] <+kshep> CEO = director
2008/06/11 [17:50] <+kshep> IPO = box office
2008/06/11 [17:50] <+kshep> company = film
2008/06/11 [17:51] <+kshep> developers = craft services / grips ;-)
2008/06/11 [17:51] <+treeshapiro> no, company = film production studios
2008/06/11 [17:52] <+kshep> there ya go
2008/06/11 [17:52] <+kshep> web site = film
2008/06/11 [17:52] <+mterenzio> which makes healthcare even more important since many workers will not have a permanent umbrella
2008/06/11 [17:52] <+treeshapiro> curtains
2008/06/11 [17:52] <+kshep> Screen Actors Guild = ???
2008/06/11 [17:53] <+treeshapiro> Gesture Lab
2008/06/11 [17:53] <+mterenzio> A small core directing a plethora of independent workers is the next big company
2008/06/11 [17:53] <+treeshapiro> A-list?
2008/06/11 [17:53] <+mterenzio> A one person Google?
2008/06/11 [17:53] <+treeshapiro> Whale of a dad.
2008/06/11 [17:53] <+mterenzio> silly but also important concept
2008/06/11 [17:54] <+mterenzio> Thanks all
2008/06/11 [17:54] <+TinaGillmor> That's a wrap...
2008/06/11 [17:54] <+TinaGillmor> thanks everyone...
2008/06/11 [17:54] <+kshep> I'm with you 100%, Matt. That concepts sort of core to what I do. More offline :-)
2008/06/11 [17:54] <+TinaGillmor> ...especially Jerry
2008/06/11 [17:54] <+kshep> Big ups, Jerry
2008/06/11 [17:55] <@stevegillmor> jerry u rock, thanks all in chat
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