Karoli Kuns, Rob La Gesse, Ted Gilchrist, Jerry Schuman, Bruce Lerner, Cori Schlegel, Christian Burns, Aron Milkalski, and the UstreamGang. Recorded Monday, April 21, 2008.
NewsGang and Gillmor Gang IRC Transcripts for 04/21/2008
Submitted by connectedgeek on Mon, 06/30/2008 - 15:55.
[16:03] <ustreamer-7333> -----April 21 NewsGang Live Show
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[16:04] <@theagent> if everyone could Tweet this stream which is found in the Topic of the chat... would be appreciated
03[16:04] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v Joffi
03[16:04] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v shelnew19
[16:04] <@theagent> NewsGang Live Simulcast with Steve Gillmor NOW! -- http://ustream.tv/channel/techaura
03[16:05] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v ErinKoteckiVest
[16:06] <+ErinKoteckiVest> Trying to set up the gateway Steve (this is QueenofSpain)
03[16:06] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v OliverKohl
[16:07] <+Joffi> XMPP has been working well for me
03[16:07] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +o TinaGillmor
[16:08] <+ErinKoteckiVest> and I can't see him in twittertimeline
[16:08] <+ErinKoteckiVest> TwitterFAIL '08 sucks
[16:08] <@TinaGillmor> Jerry- should I keep your 425 number muted?
[16:09] <+jcposner> seems Twitter is not able to scale, wonder if that makes them more interested in selling
[16:09] <@theagent> yes
[16:11] <+ErinKoteckiVest> They said that about Texas and Ohio too
[16:11] <+ErinKoteckiVest> and yet they are still here
[16:13] <+jcposner> Hopefully new voters over take Hillary late breakers
03[16:13] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v ErinKoteckiVest
[16:14] <+jcposner> I don't get all the prison shows on MSNBC, what is the demographic that watches those shows?
[16:16] <+Joffi> Watching some of the alternative media 'on the street' stuff, it's much more Obama supporters, women and men
[16:16] <+jcposner> Texas poligamy case is very sad, not sure if there are any easy answers there
[16:16] <ustreamer-83095> Good evening from the UK.
03[16:16] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v aronski
03[16:17] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v gruts
[16:17] <+ErinKoteckiVest> We never expected Obama to win PA guys...he just needs it close
[16:17] <+ErinKoteckiVest> to show he can break those demos
[16:18] <+gruts> Testing my logon Id.
[16:18] <+ErinKoteckiVest> PPP has + 3 for obama
[16:18] <+ErinKoteckiVest> TMP has them as 'steady and realiable polling' from that place
[16:19] <+ErinKoteckiVest> that was a PA poll, btw. Not national
[16:20] <+jcposner> any one see this Ron Paul ad, one of the most interesting of the year
[16:20] <+jcposner> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3MLTvYBQy0
[16:21] <+ErinKoteckiVest> I'll find the link
03[16:21] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v davidpaulyoung
[16:22] <@TinaGillmor> thanks Erin
[16:23] <+ErinKoteckiVest> http://tinyurl.com/4p4l73
[16:23] <+jcposner> No matter what the outcome, Obama needs to spin it as a huge victory
[16:24] <+Joffi> Rendell's public voice has not been very vp'ish imo
[16:24] <+jcposner> Rendell is seems to be a realist, he wants a career post-Hillary
[16:25] <+ErinKoteckiVest> and are any of the superdelegates listening to Dean and declaring now? I've seen like 2
03[16:26] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v RolfSchewe
[16:26] <+jcposner> I think some supers are waiting for PA and will announce
[16:29] <+jcposner> Is Hillary's attempt to paint Obama as just another politician working?
[16:30] <+ErinKoteckiVest> let's just say HRC does steal it. Am I the only one (well, me and Baratunde) who think all these grassroots people-emotionally invested will...how do I put this....go the way of civil disobidience come Denver?
03[16:30] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v PatMyGroin
[16:30] <+jcposner> McCain recent attempts to smear Obama with Ayers guilt by association is not too decent
03[16:32] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v connectedgeek-1
[16:33] <+jcposner> Primay is all about Obama getting used to riding with the training wheels on, the training wheels began to come off the other night and he was a little shakey, but he is a natural and will adjust quickly
[16:33] <+aronski> finally the hotel phone works...jeez!
[16:34] <+ErinKoteckiVest> MCcain camp already sent out some 'Obama is funded by Muslim terrorist" thingy the other day
[16:34] <+ErinKoteckiVest> it's there
[16:35] <+jcposner> This is Obama's first national campaign, Hillary has been through two and has the democratic machine, So Obama is doing great considering the situation
[16:36] <+Joffi> somebody pat me on the back for calling it when Obama wins PA ;)
[16:36] <+ErinKoteckiVest> Will do Joffi. I'm kinda feeling it too. Even @blogdiva might pack up her kids and go to philly tonight. she's feeling it too
[16:37] <+jcposner> Hillary's also been attacking the activist base which could hurt her in the general
[16:38] <@TinaGillmor> no audio?
[16:39] <@TinaGillmor> is it just me?
[16:39] <+ErinKoteckiVest> not that we could see his tweet
[16:40] <@TinaGillmor> It's back
[16:40] <+jcposner> Microblogging is happening in the enterprise
[16:40] <+ErinKoteckiVest> someone define what enterprise ap means here
[16:40] <+jcposner> just not Twitter, much more reliable :-)
[16:42] <@BankaiNetworks> Corporate policy will dictate whether someone will do something with their phones or not
[16:42] <@TinaGillmor> Hi Aron
[16:43] <+jcposner> companies need to worry about confidential information so public twittering is of limited value in a enterprise
[16:43] <ustreamer-28393> no not yet
[16:43] <ustreamer-28393> only Google Reader right now
[16:43] <+jcposner> private twittering has real enterprise value
[16:45] <@theagent> right or wrong, Bankai?
[16:45] <@BankaiNetworks> Sorry. Missed it
[16:45] <+gruts> Right!
[16:45] <@BankaiNetworks> Corporate policies set will remain in effect whether the user is onsire or not
[16:46] <@BankaiNetworks> Domain controller policies
[16:46] <+gruts> All very interesting, but way past my bedtime. Guess I'll have to catch the podcast as usual. Goodnight.
[16:46] <+Joffi> wireless enabled devices, people using their person wireless
[16:47] <@BankaiNetworks> And he'll get canned fast if IT ever finds out
[16:49] <+jcposner> why don't more folks twitter internal corporate strategy? very easy way to get fired quickly, that will never change
[16:53] <+ErinKoteckiVest> I just got flooded with tweets. Not getting my hopes up...but...
[16:54] <+jcposner> Micosoft will introduce the first twitter virus
[16:55] <+ErinKoteckiVest> I'm *this close* to deleting my facebook account
[16:55] <+ErinKoteckiVest> again
[16:58] <@TinaGillmor> add Steve Gillmor as a friend in Facebook, Steve will accept
[16:58] <+jcposner> how do you chat on facebook?
[16:58] <@TinaGillmor> Then you will get info about the conference sys we are looking to try out
[16:59] <@TinaGillmor> It will allow us to more easily manage the phone calls
[16:59] <@theagent> Facebook recently added chat to all Facebook accounts
[17:00] <+jcposner> it is not on all accounts yet..I don't see it
[17:00] <+jcposner> where do I look
[17:00] <@TinaGillmor> You don't have to go thru FB everytime you call in - after you get your personal code you'll be able to use that from anywhere
[17:00] <@theagent> there is a toolbar in the lower right corner
[17:00] <+jcposner> where do I find the option to chat in facebook?
[17:00] <@theagent> should float above the main page
[17:01] <@TinaGillmor> It seems to be pretty interesting really
[17:01] <+jcposner> can you post a pic?
[17:02] <+jcposner> of the facebook chat?
[17:02] <+jcposner> I don't think it has been rolled out to my account yet..or I'm blind
[17:02] <+Jari_Ra> Google owns Jaiku that is direct competition to twitter when they launch it...
[17:03] <+OliverKohl> And Jaiku will launch on Android...at least
[17:03] <@theagent> jcposner, are you following me?
[17:05] <@theagent> tweeted it to you
[17:06] <+jcposner> once sec
[17:07] <+connectedgeek-1> wow... look what i have missed RE: chat
[17:07] <+connectedgeek-1> had my real job to do
[17:07] <+connectedgeek-1> missed the whole broadcast :(
[17:07] <@TinaGillmor> Jim - on my FB it is in lower right in beige/peach color box
[17:08] <+jcposner> I see that Jerry. you have a public email and I will send you a screen shot of what I see
[17:09] <@theagent> just tweeted him a screenshot of the Facebook chat interface
[17:09] <@theagent> kk
[17:09] <@theagent> what browser are you using jcposner
[17:10] <+jcposner> firefox
[17:10] <+jcposner> I will check it in ie
[17:12] <+jcposner> interesting not in IE either, oh well
[17:13] <@theagent> overseas?
[17:16] <@theagent> guess not.. so you're coming through a US IBM network
[17:16] <@theagent> is flash killed via IBM?
03[17:16] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v human2
[17:16] <+jcposner> where do you go for facebook support? besides Techaura :-0
[17:16] <+human2> greetings...
[17:16] <+human2> Over at my partner's home showing him stuff.
[17:17] <@TinaGillmor> hello Human2
[17:17] <+jcposner> I really don't think my account is enabled for chat..doesn't work from home either
[17:17] <+human2> Hey Tina.
[17:18] <+Jari_Ra> I don't have FB chat either...
[17:18] <+jcposner> ok good Jari..I don't feel so left out :-)
[17:19] <+jcposner> seems there needs to be a open source version of twitter
[17:20] <+jcposner> maybe using peer to peer model
[17:20] <+jcposner> no central server just distributed
[17:22] <@theagent> common term for what Steve is talking about it Federation
[17:23] <@theagent> it/is
[17:23] <+jcposner> facebook chat is not rolled out completely
[17:24] <+jcposner> favorite twitter search engine now is http://twitter.summize.com/
[17:27] <+jcposner> Trippi is saying bad day for Obama tomorrow
[17:27] <+jcposner> http://twitter.com/JoeTrippi/statuses/793858967
[17:29] <+jcposner> May be a contrarian indicator like Dvorak
03[17:32] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +o theagent-1
[17:32] <+jcposner> How come I don't have Facebook Chat?We are currently running a pre-launch beta to a few networks to make sure that the product is ready to go. Once Facebook Chat is ready, we'll release the feature to everyone on Facebook.
[17:34] <+jcposner> College kids in PA give Rendell push back http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/Rendell_ObamaKoolAid.html
[17:35] <@TinaGillmor> Jim - where did you get that FB blurb re: chat?
[17:35] <+jcposner> one sec
[17:36] <+jcposner> http://www.facebook.com/help.php?page=713
[17:37] <@TinaGillmor> -----show over ------
01[17:37] <+ConnectedGeek> thanks Tina
[17:37] <+Joffi> seems shorter when I'm doing 3 other things
[17:38] <+aronski> Thanks Jerry...
[17:38] <+Jari_Ra> Thanks Jerry..
[17:39] <+jcposner> Thanks for hosting for sure
[17:39] <+aronski> As the hotel I am staying in had my phone blocked for the first half hour, you were my pipeline into the conversation...
[17:40] <+aronski> helped not coming into it totally blind.
[17:41] <+Jari_Ra> What do you use for following tweets since Twhirl isn't working that well at the moment...? Gtalk...?
[17:41] <@theagent> gtalk is a bit of an issue.. because you'd have to issue follow commands for everyone you want to follow...
[17:42] <+Jari_Ra> true
[17:42] <@theagent> that is a royal pain
03[17:42] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +o stevegillmor
[17:42] <@theagent> I don't think there is a silver bullet for the current Twitter issues
[17:42] <+Jari_Ra> is there other good apps...?
[17:42] <@stevegillmor> jcposner still there?
[17:43] <@theagent> FriendFeed has helped in some ways... but again.. not all the people I follow are on that system
[17:43] <+human2> geez, missed most of th show....
[17:43] <+aronski> Jerry, I don't think the follow command thing is true...
[17:43] <+human2> working like a banchee today....
[17:43] <@theagent> huh?
[17:44] <@theagent> if I start a brand new gtalk/twitter client up it I will get zero messages
[17:44] <@stevegillmor> Jim do you see me?
[17:44] <+aronski> With Gtalk on, I've been watching the realtime stream of tweets come in pretty steady compaired to the web page...
[17:45] <+aronski> And if I spit three times, do the hokey poky and turn myself around, sometimes the web page matches...
[17:45] <@theagent> when I first signed up I had to issue follow commands
[17:45] <+OliverKohl> I started my IM at 22:06 and got Twitter msgs since then.
[17:46] <@theagent> I do not see my normal Twitter stream on my gtalk client
[17:46] <+OliverKohl> Less then usual?
[17:46] <+aronski> just added twitter@twitter.com and my list comes over...
[17:46] <+OliverKohl> Or nothing at all?
[17:46] <+aronski> and then add the "track" function for certain names and functions...
[17:46] <@stevegillmor> correct aronski
[17:47] <@theagent> I'm backing out all my track commands right now... to see if I can clean this up
[17:47] <+Joffi> make sure notifications are on ('on' cmd) and check each person on webpage for notifications
[17:47] <@stevegillmor> correct joffi
[17:47] <+aronski> some ego based, some key words having to do with my industry...
[17:48] <+aronski> yes, device notifications are manditory...
[17:48] <+OliverKohl> We would basically need a wrapper around the gtalk gateway to process + filter the stream.
[17:48] <+Joffi> default when adding a new follow is notifications off, unless done so through the gateway
[17:48] <+OliverKohl> Although I don't thing it would work without the Twitter API.
[17:48] <+OliverKohl> Some functions aren't available atm.
[17:48] <+Joffi> music sounds like old tangerine dream
[17:49] <+aronski> I keep certain things and people off the IM notifications, certain bots, twitterirra types...they crash my phone.
[17:49] <@theagent> Easily Embarrassed -Idyllic Life
[17:49] <+OliverKohl> But I'm missing a UI for all the notification functionality in current clients like Twitteriffic.
[17:50] <+aronski> As well as websites that link back to their site who are flash heavy or Java heavy... also phone unfriendly.
[17:50] <+Jari_Ra> Is it possible to get the twitter pictures to gtalk...? It's easier to follow the tweets when you see some graphics...
[17:50] <+aronski> or I can use it for the now famous "time out" function...
[17:51] <@theagent> ok.. I'm back to barebones Gtalk/twitter with notifications ON... I get squat from my normal Twitter following
[17:51] <+OliverKohl> @Jari Could be ripped using of the twitter name IMO.
[17:51] <+OliverKohl> I think the are public.
[17:51] <+Jari_Ra> ok have to try that...
[17:52] <+OliverKohl> Take a look at the url of a twitter avatr.
[17:52] <@stevegillmor> jerry do u see aronski's tweet
[17:52] <@theagent> wish they'd implement a list command for track
[17:52] <+OliverKohl> They are available even in different sizes.
[17:52] <+aronski> type help in the gtalk window.
[17:53] <+aronski> "help"
[17:53] <@theagent> duh!
[17:53] <@theagent> track without another parameter leads to list
[17:53] <+Joffi> Need a Twitter XMPP In Plain English video...
[17:53] <+aronski> Steve he may have my individual notification turned off.
[17:54] <@stevegillmor> yes i bet he does
[17:55] <+aronski> ok, now I see the point about he made about adding each person... it wasn't inside gTalk but from the twitter page...
[17:55] <+Joffi> right, check the who you are following section, notifcations on/off for each, nice customization that, but defaults off
[17:55] <@theagent> you are likely right that I have notifications off.
[17:55] <+aronski> isn't their a default in the setting to have everyone added and then you subtract the ones you don't want?
[17:56] <+aronski> lemme see
[17:56] <@theagent> on the individual users in twitter
[17:57] <+Joffi> btw, don't try 'all' as a cmd switch or you'll end up following Automatic Love Letter ;)
[17:58] <+OliverKohl> @Joffi I think that is a flaw in the API ;)
[17:58] <+Joffi> At least they follow me back... lol
03[17:58] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v scottgjerdingen
[18:01] <+jcposner> steve you there?
[18:01] <+OliverKohl> Thanks Jari
[18:02] <+Jari_Ra> Thank you...
[18:03] <+aronski> there does not appear to be a web based notify "all" or "none" function... I guess it's another way to insure a level of individual privacy...
[18:05] <+OliverKohl> @aranoski is there a difference? Or just inconvenience?
[18:05] <@stevegillmor> here
[18:08] <+jcposner> just thought you may have been wanting to ask me something
[18:08] <+aronski> Well, what Steve said during the show is making sense to me now... besides keeping our list in the silo, an export along with an "all" or "none" function would be a spammers sream...
[18:09] <+jcposner> like where to send the Macbook Air
[18:09] <+jcposner> :-)
[18:09] <@theagent> well there is 10 minutes of clicking radio buttons I'll never get back.
[18:09] <+aronski> jerry, have you clicked my notification on yet? @aronski
[18:10] <@stevegillmor> sorry on phoe
[18:13] <+aronski> heres a sign that they'll all talk to each other soon enough... http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2008/04/21/spanning-sync-plans-gmail-contact-syncing-for-version-2-0
[18:14] <+jcposner> just got a reply back from Joe Trippi
[18:14] <+jcposner> http://twitter.com/jcposner/statuses/793880700
[18:14] <@theagent> had a couple stray tracks still issued... got those cleaned up...
[18:15] <@theagent> and notifications are now on...
[18:15] <@theagent> was maybe 50/50 on my following
[18:15] <+Joffi> did you get the couple of tests msgs then?
[18:15] <+jcposner> http://twitter.com/joetrippi
[18:15] <+Jari_Ra> It seems that IM is the only way to get all the tweets at the moment...
[18:17] <+Jari_Ra> ok
[18:17] <+Joffi> I'm not following techlifeweb but track is picking him up when replying to steve
[18:17] <@theagent> ustream just puked... it will be back up shortly
[18:17] <@theagent> yeah... I think track is working...
[18:18] <@theagent> track is picking up everything
[18:20] <@stevegillmor> jim what do u think?
[18:21] <@stevegillmor> trippi looks convinced of Hillary blowout
[18:22] <+aronski> it was kind of a non-answer
[18:22] <+aronski> positive or negative
[18:23] <+aronski> safe old hand answer...
[18:25] <+aronski> well, backtracking a little I see where you're coming from
[18:25] <@theagent> I just blew everthing away on the Twitter settings and started over...
[18:26] <@theagent> now following works
[18:27] <+Joffi> When it feels like it's hiccuping, I 'off' wait a minute and 'on' again, rarely need to though
[18:27] <@theagent> now I get to go back to those f*ing radio buttons and turn certain people off ;-)
[18:28] <+Joffi> heh, yep
[18:28] <+aronski> The key is who you don't listen to... the rests are the most important part of the tune...
NewsGang Live 04.21.08
April 21st, 2008[16:04] <@theagent> if everyone could Tweet this stream which is found in the Topic of the chat... would be appreciated
03[16:04] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v Joffi
03[16:04] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v shelnew19
[16:04] <@theagent> NewsGang Live Simulcast with Steve Gillmor NOW! -- http://ustream.tv/channel/techaura
03[16:05] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v ErinKoteckiVest
[16:06] <+ErinKoteckiVest> Trying to set up the gateway Steve (this is QueenofSpain)
03[16:06] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v OliverKohl
[16:07] <+Joffi> XMPP has been working well for me
03[16:07] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +o TinaGillmor
[16:08] <+ErinKoteckiVest> and I can't see him in twittertimeline
[16:08] <+ErinKoteckiVest> TwitterFAIL '08 sucks
[16:08] <@TinaGillmor> Jerry- should I keep your 425 number muted?
[16:09] <+jcposner> seems Twitter is not able to scale, wonder if that makes them more interested in selling
[16:09] <@theagent> yes
[16:11] <+ErinKoteckiVest> They said that about Texas and Ohio too
[16:11] <+ErinKoteckiVest> and yet they are still here
[16:13] <+jcposner> Hopefully new voters over take Hillary late breakers
03[16:13] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v ErinKoteckiVest
[16:14] <+jcposner> I don't get all the prison shows on MSNBC, what is the demographic that watches those shows?
[16:16] <+Joffi> Watching some of the alternative media 'on the street' stuff, it's much more Obama supporters, women and men
[16:16] <+jcposner> Texas poligamy case is very sad, not sure if there are any easy answers there
[16:16] <ustreamer-83095> Good evening from the UK.
03[16:16] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v aronski
03[16:17] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v gruts
[16:17] <+ErinKoteckiVest> We never expected Obama to win PA guys...he just needs it close
[16:17] <+ErinKoteckiVest> to show he can break those demos
[16:18] <+gruts> Testing my logon Id.
[16:18] <+ErinKoteckiVest> PPP has + 3 for obama
[16:18] <+ErinKoteckiVest> TMP has them as 'steady and realiable polling' from that place
[16:19] <+ErinKoteckiVest> that was a PA poll, btw. Not national
[16:20] <+jcposner> any one see this Ron Paul ad, one of the most interesting of the year
[16:20] <+jcposner> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3MLTvYBQy0
[16:21] <+ErinKoteckiVest> I'll find the link
03[16:21] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v davidpaulyoung
[16:22] <@TinaGillmor> thanks Erin
[16:23] <+ErinKoteckiVest> http://tinyurl.com/4p4l73
[16:23] <+jcposner> No matter what the outcome, Obama needs to spin it as a huge victory
[16:24] <+Joffi> Rendell's public voice has not been very vp'ish imo
[16:24] <+jcposner> Rendell is seems to be a realist, he wants a career post-Hillary
[16:25] <+ErinKoteckiVest> and are any of the superdelegates listening to Dean and declaring now? I've seen like 2
03[16:26] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v RolfSchewe
[16:26] <+jcposner> I think some supers are waiting for PA and will announce
[16:29] <+jcposner> Is Hillary's attempt to paint Obama as just another politician working?
[16:30] <+ErinKoteckiVest> let's just say HRC does steal it. Am I the only one (well, me and Baratunde) who think all these grassroots people-emotionally invested will...how do I put this....go the way of civil disobidience come Denver?
03[16:30] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v PatMyGroin
[16:30] <+jcposner> McCain recent attempts to smear Obama with Ayers guilt by association is not too decent
03[16:32] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v connectedgeek-1
[16:33] <+jcposner> Primay is all about Obama getting used to riding with the training wheels on, the training wheels began to come off the other night and he was a little shakey, but he is a natural and will adjust quickly
[16:33] <+aronski> finally the hotel phone works...jeez!
[16:34] <+ErinKoteckiVest> MCcain camp already sent out some 'Obama is funded by Muslim terrorist" thingy the other day
[16:34] <+ErinKoteckiVest> it's there
[16:35] <+jcposner> This is Obama's first national campaign, Hillary has been through two and has the democratic machine, So Obama is doing great considering the situation
[16:36] <+Joffi> somebody pat me on the back for calling it when Obama wins PA ;)
[16:36] <+ErinKoteckiVest> Will do Joffi. I'm kinda feeling it too. Even @blogdiva might pack up her kids and go to philly tonight. she's feeling it too
[16:37] <+jcposner> Hillary's also been attacking the activist base which could hurt her in the general
[16:38] <@TinaGillmor> no audio?
[16:39] <@TinaGillmor> is it just me?
[16:39] <+ErinKoteckiVest> not that we could see his tweet
[16:40] <@TinaGillmor> It's back
[16:40] <+jcposner> Microblogging is happening in the enterprise
[16:40] <+ErinKoteckiVest> someone define what enterprise ap means here
[16:40] <+jcposner> just not Twitter, much more reliable :-)
[16:42] <@BankaiNetworks> Corporate policy will dictate whether someone will do something with their phones or not
[16:42] <@TinaGillmor> Hi Aron
[16:43] <+jcposner> companies need to worry about confidential information so public twittering is of limited value in a enterprise
[16:43] <ustreamer-28393> no not yet
[16:43] <ustreamer-28393> only Google Reader right now
[16:43] <+jcposner> private twittering has real enterprise value
[16:45] <@theagent> right or wrong, Bankai?
[16:45] <@BankaiNetworks> Sorry. Missed it
[16:45] <+gruts> Right!
[16:45] <@BankaiNetworks> Corporate policies set will remain in effect whether the user is onsire or not
[16:46] <@BankaiNetworks> Domain controller policies
[16:46] <+gruts> All very interesting, but way past my bedtime. Guess I'll have to catch the podcast as usual. Goodnight.
[16:46] <+Joffi> wireless enabled devices, people using their person wireless
[16:47] <@BankaiNetworks> And he'll get canned fast if IT ever finds out
[16:49] <+jcposner> why don't more folks twitter internal corporate strategy? very easy way to get fired quickly, that will never change
[16:53] <+ErinKoteckiVest> I just got flooded with tweets. Not getting my hopes up...but...
[16:54] <+jcposner> Micosoft will introduce the first twitter virus
[16:55] <+ErinKoteckiVest> I'm *this close* to deleting my facebook account
[16:55] <+ErinKoteckiVest> again
[16:58] <@TinaGillmor> add Steve Gillmor as a friend in Facebook, Steve will accept
[16:58] <+jcposner> how do you chat on facebook?
[16:58] <@TinaGillmor> Then you will get info about the conference sys we are looking to try out
[16:59] <@TinaGillmor> It will allow us to more easily manage the phone calls
[16:59] <@theagent> Facebook recently added chat to all Facebook accounts
[17:00] <+jcposner> it is not on all accounts yet..I don't see it
[17:00] <+jcposner> where do I look
[17:00] <@TinaGillmor> You don't have to go thru FB everytime you call in - after you get your personal code you'll be able to use that from anywhere
[17:00] <@theagent> there is a toolbar in the lower right corner
[17:00] <+jcposner> where do I find the option to chat in facebook?
[17:00] <@theagent> should float above the main page
[17:01] <@TinaGillmor> It seems to be pretty interesting really
[17:01] <+jcposner> can you post a pic?
[17:02] <+jcposner> of the facebook chat?
[17:02] <+jcposner> I don't think it has been rolled out to my account yet..or I'm blind
[17:02] <+Jari_Ra> Google owns Jaiku that is direct competition to twitter when they launch it...
[17:03] <+OliverKohl> And Jaiku will launch on Android...at least
[17:03] <@theagent> jcposner, are you following me?
[17:05] <@theagent> tweeted it to you
[17:06] <+jcposner> once sec
[17:07] <+connectedgeek-1> wow... look what i have missed RE: chat
[17:07] <+connectedgeek-1> had my real job to do
[17:07] <+connectedgeek-1> missed the whole broadcast :(
[17:07] <@TinaGillmor> Jim - on my FB it is in lower right in beige/peach color box
[17:08] <+jcposner> I see that Jerry. you have a public email and I will send you a screen shot of what I see
[17:09] <@theagent> just tweeted him a screenshot of the Facebook chat interface
[17:09] <@theagent> kk
[17:09] <@theagent> what browser are you using jcposner
[17:10] <+jcposner> firefox
[17:10] <+jcposner> I will check it in ie
[17:12] <+jcposner> interesting not in IE either, oh well
[17:13] <@theagent> overseas?
[17:16] <@theagent> guess not.. so you're coming through a US IBM network
[17:16] <@theagent> is flash killed via IBM?
03[17:16] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v human2
[17:16] <+jcposner> where do you go for facebook support? besides Techaura :-0
[17:16] <+human2> greetings...
[17:16] <+human2> Over at my partner's home showing him stuff.
[17:17] <@TinaGillmor> hello Human2
[17:17] <+jcposner> I really don't think my account is enabled for chat..doesn't work from home either
[17:17] <+human2> Hey Tina.
[17:18] <+Jari_Ra> I don't have FB chat either...
[17:18] <+jcposner> ok good Jari..I don't feel so left out :-)
[17:19] <+jcposner> seems there needs to be a open source version of twitter
[17:20] <+jcposner> maybe using peer to peer model
[17:20] <+jcposner> no central server just distributed
[17:22] <@theagent> common term for what Steve is talking about it Federation
[17:23] <@theagent> it/is
[17:23] <+jcposner> facebook chat is not rolled out completely
[17:24] <+jcposner> favorite twitter search engine now is http://twitter.summize.com/
[17:27] <+jcposner> Trippi is saying bad day for Obama tomorrow
[17:27] <+jcposner> http://twitter.com/JoeTrippi/statuses/793858967
[17:29] <+jcposner> May be a contrarian indicator like Dvorak
03[17:32] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +o theagent-1
[17:32] <+jcposner> How come I don't have Facebook Chat?We are currently running a pre-launch beta to a few networks to make sure that the product is ready to go. Once Facebook Chat is ready, we'll release the feature to everyone on Facebook.
[17:34] <+jcposner> College kids in PA give Rendell push back http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0408/Rendell_ObamaKoolAid.html
[17:35] <@TinaGillmor> Jim - where did you get that FB blurb re: chat?
[17:35] <+jcposner> one sec
[17:36] <+jcposner> http://www.facebook.com/help.php?page=713
[17:37] <@TinaGillmor> -----show over ------
01[17:37] <+ConnectedGeek> thanks Tina
[17:37] <+Joffi> seems shorter when I'm doing 3 other things
[17:38] <+aronski> Thanks Jerry...
[17:38] <+Jari_Ra> Thanks Jerry..
[17:39] <+jcposner> Thanks for hosting for sure
[17:39] <+aronski> As the hotel I am staying in had my phone blocked for the first half hour, you were my pipeline into the conversation...
[17:40] <+aronski> helped not coming into it totally blind.
[17:41] <+Jari_Ra> What do you use for following tweets since Twhirl isn't working that well at the moment...? Gtalk...?
[17:41] <@theagent> gtalk is a bit of an issue.. because you'd have to issue follow commands for everyone you want to follow...
[17:42] <+Jari_Ra> true
[17:42] <@theagent> that is a royal pain
03[17:42] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +o stevegillmor
[17:42] <@theagent> I don't think there is a silver bullet for the current Twitter issues
[17:42] <+Jari_Ra> is there other good apps...?
[17:42] <@stevegillmor> jcposner still there?
[17:43] <@theagent> FriendFeed has helped in some ways... but again.. not all the people I follow are on that system
[17:43] <+human2> geez, missed most of th show....
[17:43] <+aronski> Jerry, I don't think the follow command thing is true...
[17:43] <+human2> working like a banchee today....
[17:43] <@theagent> huh?
[17:44] <@theagent> if I start a brand new gtalk/twitter client up it I will get zero messages
[17:44] <@stevegillmor> Jim do you see me?
[17:44] <+aronski> With Gtalk on, I've been watching the realtime stream of tweets come in pretty steady compaired to the web page...
[17:45] <+aronski> And if I spit three times, do the hokey poky and turn myself around, sometimes the web page matches...
[17:45] <@theagent> when I first signed up I had to issue follow commands
[17:45] <+OliverKohl> I started my IM at 22:06 and got Twitter msgs since then.
[17:46] <@theagent> I do not see my normal Twitter stream on my gtalk client
[17:46] <+OliverKohl> Less then usual?
[17:46] <+aronski> just added twitter@twitter.com and my list comes over...
[17:46] <+OliverKohl> Or nothing at all?
[17:46] <+aronski> and then add the "track" function for certain names and functions...
[17:46] <@stevegillmor> correct aronski
[17:47] <@theagent> I'm backing out all my track commands right now... to see if I can clean this up
[17:47] <+Joffi> make sure notifications are on ('on' cmd) and check each person on webpage for notifications
[17:47] <@stevegillmor> correct joffi
[17:47] <+aronski> some ego based, some key words having to do with my industry...
[17:48] <+aronski> yes, device notifications are manditory...
[17:48] <+OliverKohl> We would basically need a wrapper around the gtalk gateway to process + filter the stream.
[17:48] <+Joffi> default when adding a new follow is notifications off, unless done so through the gateway
[17:48] <+OliverKohl> Although I don't thing it would work without the Twitter API.
[17:48] <+OliverKohl> Some functions aren't available atm.
[17:48] <+Joffi> music sounds like old tangerine dream
[17:49] <+aronski> I keep certain things and people off the IM notifications, certain bots, twitterirra types...they crash my phone.
[17:49] <@theagent> Easily Embarrassed -Idyllic Life
[17:49] <+OliverKohl> But I'm missing a UI for all the notification functionality in current clients like Twitteriffic.
[17:50] <+aronski> As well as websites that link back to their site who are flash heavy or Java heavy... also phone unfriendly.
[17:50] <+Jari_Ra> Is it possible to get the twitter pictures to gtalk...? It's easier to follow the tweets when you see some graphics...
[17:50] <+aronski> or I can use it for the now famous "time out" function...
[17:51] <@theagent> ok.. I'm back to barebones Gtalk/twitter with notifications ON... I get squat from my normal Twitter following
[17:51] <+OliverKohl> @Jari Could be ripped using of the twitter name IMO.
[17:51] <+OliverKohl> I think the are public.
[17:51] <+Jari_Ra> ok have to try that...
[17:52] <+OliverKohl> Take a look at the url of a twitter avatr.
[17:52] <@stevegillmor> jerry do u see aronski's tweet
[17:52] <@theagent> wish they'd implement a list command for track
[17:52] <+OliverKohl> They are available even in different sizes.
[17:52] <+aronski> type help in the gtalk window.
[17:53] <+aronski> "help"
[17:53] <@theagent> duh!
[17:53] <@theagent> track without another parameter leads to list
[17:53] <+Joffi> Need a Twitter XMPP In Plain English video...
[17:53] <+aronski> Steve he may have my individual notification turned off.
[17:54] <@stevegillmor> yes i bet he does
[17:55] <+aronski> ok, now I see the point about he made about adding each person... it wasn't inside gTalk but from the twitter page...
[17:55] <+Joffi> right, check the who you are following section, notifcations on/off for each, nice customization that, but defaults off
[17:55] <@theagent> you are likely right that I have notifications off.
[17:55] <+aronski> isn't their a default in the setting to have everyone added and then you subtract the ones you don't want?
[17:56] <+aronski> lemme see
[17:56] <@theagent> on the individual users in twitter
[17:57] <+Joffi> btw, don't try 'all' as a cmd switch or you'll end up following Automatic Love Letter ;)
[17:58] <+OliverKohl> @Joffi I think that is a flaw in the API ;)
[17:58] <+Joffi> At least they follow me back... lol
03[17:58] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v scottgjerdingen
[18:01] <+jcposner> steve you there?
[18:01] <+OliverKohl> Thanks Jari
[18:02] <+Jari_Ra> Thank you...
[18:03] <+aronski> there does not appear to be a web based notify "all" or "none" function... I guess it's another way to insure a level of individual privacy...
[18:05] <+OliverKohl> @aranoski is there a difference? Or just inconvenience?
[18:05] <@stevegillmor> here
[18:08] <+jcposner> just thought you may have been wanting to ask me something
[18:08] <+aronski> Well, what Steve said during the show is making sense to me now... besides keeping our list in the silo, an export along with an "all" or "none" function would be a spammers sream...
[18:09] <+jcposner> like where to send the Macbook Air
[18:09] <+jcposner> :-)
[18:09] <@theagent> well there is 10 minutes of clicking radio buttons I'll never get back.
[18:09] <+aronski> jerry, have you clicked my notification on yet? @aronski
[18:10] <@stevegillmor> sorry on phoe
[18:13] <+aronski> heres a sign that they'll all talk to each other soon enough... http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2008/04/21/spanning-sync-plans-gmail-contact-syncing-for-version-2-0
[18:14] <+jcposner> just got a reply back from Joe Trippi
[18:14] <+jcposner> http://twitter.com/jcposner/statuses/793880700
[18:14] <@theagent> had a couple stray tracks still issued... got those cleaned up...
[18:15] <@theagent> and notifications are now on...
[18:15] <@theagent> was maybe 50/50 on my following
[18:15] <+Joffi> did you get the couple of tests msgs then?
[18:15] <+jcposner> http://twitter.com/joetrippi
[18:15] <+Jari_Ra> It seems that IM is the only way to get all the tweets at the moment...
[18:17] <+Jari_Ra> ok
[18:17] <+Joffi> I'm not following techlifeweb but track is picking him up when replying to steve
[18:17] <@theagent> ustream just puked... it will be back up shortly
[18:17] <@theagent> yeah... I think track is working...
[18:18] <@theagent> track is picking up everything
[18:20] <@stevegillmor> jim what do u think?
[18:21] <@stevegillmor> trippi looks convinced of Hillary blowout
[18:22] <+aronski> it was kind of a non-answer
[18:22] <+aronski> positive or negative
[18:23] <+aronski> safe old hand answer...
[18:25] <+aronski> well, backtracking a little I see where you're coming from
[18:25] <@theagent> I just blew everthing away on the Twitter settings and started over...
[18:26] <@theagent> now following works
[18:27] <+Joffi> When it feels like it's hiccuping, I 'off' wait a minute and 'on' again, rarely need to though
[18:27] <@theagent> now I get to go back to those f*ing radio buttons and turn certain people off ;-)
[18:28] <+Joffi> heh, yep
[18:28] <+aronski> The key is who you don't listen to... the rests are the most important part of the tune...