NewsGang and Gillmor Gang IRC Transcripts for 05/30/2008

Gillmor Gang 05.30.08

Session Start: Fri May 30 00:00:01 2008
Session Ident: #techaura
032008/05/30 [03:03] * +ComputerTechCentral (Aaron@3AA83E99.B1FED80C.7030759E.IP) has left #techaura (See ya! BBL! (If your lucky))
2008/05/30 [05:05] <ustreamer-76238> Hello
2008/05/30 [07:26] <ustreamer-82307> hey
2008/05/30 [08:28] <ustreamer-67342> Hello
2008/05/30 [11:49] <ustreamer-6677> yep
2008/05/30 [13:30] <+kshep> hi, jerry
2008/05/30 [13:30] <+kshep> GG at 10:45?
2008/05/30 [13:30] <@theagent-1> yes
032008/05/30 [13:31] * kshep is now known as kshep1
2008/05/30 [13:31] <+kshep1> wow. quick change
2008/05/30 [13:32] <+kshep1> wearing that under your suit? ;-)
2008/05/30 [13:32] <@theagent-1> lol
032008/05/30 [13:32] * kshep1 is now known as kshep
2008/05/30 [13:35] <+shareme> hello
2008/05/30 [13:35] <ustreamer-22860> they have nice art in prison
2008/05/30 [13:38] <@theagent> for the unnamed in this chat.. please type /nick username (whatever name you want to use)
2008/05/30 [13:39] <+kshep> yer mic is on
2008/05/30 [13:40] <+kshep> :-)
2008/05/30 [13:40] <+kshep> BAH
2008/05/30 [13:40] <+kshep> heh
2008/05/30 [13:41] <+kshep> yep
2008/05/30 [13:42] <+artwickson> gillmor gang today folks?
2008/05/30 [13:43] <+Charbax> Who is that?
032008/05/30 [13:43] * theagent changes topic to 'Gillmor Gang Live @ 10:45 PDT'
2008/05/30 [13:43] <@TinaGillmor> -------Gillmor Gang Show start May 30, 2008------
2008/05/30 [13:43] <+shareme> I put th elink in twitter
2008/05/30 [13:43] <+kshep> Your call is very important to us. Please hold.
2008/05/30 [13:43] <+Charbax> You do the GillmorGang recordings?
032008/05/30 [13:43] * ustreamer-22860 is now known as LuJames
2008/05/30 [13:43] <+kshep> heard Steve say "Jerry" I think
2008/05/30 [13:43] <+Charbax> Are you the one telling Steve to always talk about Obama?
2008/05/30 [13:43] <LuJames> props to you!
2008/05/30 [13:44] <+artwickson> how about the audio quality mate?
2008/05/30 [13:44] <+Charbax> audio quality is great
2008/05/30 [13:44] <+shareme> sounds fine
2008/05/30 [13:44] <+kshep> can hear Steve very faintly in the background
2008/05/30 [13:44] <+artwickson> the gangs audio
2008/05/30 [13:44] <+Charbax> I like how Steve tells people to shut up
2008/05/30 [13:44] <+Charbax> Is there a live show coming up?
2008/05/30 [13:45] <+Charbax> nice timing
2008/05/30 [13:46] <+Charbax> flying pig show
2008/05/30 [13:46] <LuJames> press *4
2008/05/30 [13:46] <@TinaGillmor> We are about to start -waiting for our participants to trickle in
2008/05/30 [13:47] <+Charbax> Someone on msnbc said that most of the people on the DNC comittee are Clinton supporters
2008/05/30 [13:47] <LuJames> is that Loic?
2008/05/30 [13:47] <+kshep> yes. sounds like he's in France
2008/05/30 [13:47] <@TinaGillmor> yes... just for a few minutes
2008/05/30 [13:47] <LuJames> k
2008/05/30 [13:48] <+Charbax> Loic has that accent on purpose I think
2008/05/30 [13:48] <+shareme> no its real
2008/05/30 [13:49] <+kshep> loic... breakin' news on the GG
2008/05/30 [13:49] <+kshep> does he knows he's on the air? :-)
2008/05/30 [13:49] <+artwickson> can't a 3rd party like twirl access twitter data and perform track function?
2008/05/30 [13:49] <+shareme> I have a friend that wroks at seesmic Loic''s accent is real
2008/05/30 [13:49] <+kshep> either that or he's very thorough, shareme
2008/05/30 [13:50] <+Charbax> Bill G said he's going to give all his Microsoft stock to Linux developpers
2008/05/30 [13:51] <@theagent> TinaGillmor, please tell Steve co-host is up and waiting
2008/05/30 [13:51] <@TinaGillmor> Dan Farber, Mike Arrington, Loic Lemeur, Paul from FriendFeed
2008/05/30 [13:51] <+Charbax> Fox News, CNet, Forbes, WSJ want Obama to win
2008/05/30 [13:56] <+pcnovice91> I like friendfeed from twitter anyway
2008/05/30 [13:57] <@TinaGillmor> OK Jerry steve said he didn't want to turn it on yet. I think he's not feeling very Hollywood today
2008/05/30 [13:58] <@TinaGillmor> tweet link for everyone to invite people http://ustream.tv/channel/techaura
2008/05/30 [13:58] <+kshep> who was that?
2008/05/30 [13:58] <+artwickson> hugh
2008/05/30 [13:58] <Charbax2> They should install Twitter on Google Apps, that automatically scales when Scoble uses it
2008/05/30 [13:59] <@theagent> firefox crashed... just a sec
2008/05/30 [13:59] <+kshep> oops
2008/05/30 [13:59] <+shareme> jaiku team is doign that rebuild on googl eapps
2008/05/30 [14:00] <@theagent> should be back up
2008/05/30 [14:00] <+shareme> yes its back thanks
2008/05/30 [14:00] <Charbax2> So is Leo Laporte the biggest twitter user?
2008/05/30 [14:01] <+mdoeff> I'm with Loic. Twitter and FF are totally different use cases for me. In my mind they are not competitors.
2008/05/30 [14:02] <Charbax2> It'd be nice with a friendfeed function that automatically finds recommendations for a list of items based on my "likes"
2008/05/30 [14:03] <@TinaGillmor> Looks like Loic and Hugh...nice
2008/05/30 [14:03] <@theagent> please tweet or ff the live stream to your followers
2008/05/30 [14:04] <@theagent> http://ustream.tv/channel/techaura
2008/05/30 [14:04] <+kshep> repost comments back to twitter with @s?
2008/05/30 [14:04] <Charbax2> call Scoble, he can twit it
2008/05/30 [14:05] <+kshep> if not for the comments, it'd just be RSS aggregation, right?
2008/05/30 [14:05] <+mterenzio> treack?
2008/05/30 [14:05] <+mterenzio> track?
2008/05/30 [14:05] <+mterenzio> let me guess track?
2008/05/30 [14:06] <Charbax2> Jaiku?
2008/05/30 [14:06] <+mterenzio> ohh cmon . Can I join Freiend Feed and build it for you?
2008/05/30 [14:07] <+mterenzio> In that case maybe I'll just build an XMPP version of Friendfeed
2008/05/30 [14:07] <+mterenzio> which is just twitter
2008/05/30 [14:07] <+mdoeff> I'm not sure that I'd read FF through IM. You'd lose all the threading and it would be way too hard to follow.
2008/05/30 [14:08] <+kshep> waiting for you to close the loop there, mterenzio :-)
2008/05/30 [14:08] <+mterenzio> just because it's XMPP doesn't mean the messages need to be delivered like an IM client
2008/05/30 [14:09] <+shareme> bingo
2008/05/30 [14:10] <Charbax2> I'd like a client that automatically launches a qik, ustream or other in the tray in real time
2008/05/30 [14:10] <@TinaGillmor> hmmm....usually have more folks in here on Friday
2008/05/30 [14:11] <+shareme> i put the link in twitter sveral times :)
2008/05/30 [14:11] <Charbax2> I have 1 follower on my twitter
2008/05/30 [14:11] <+dahowlett> The FriendFeed GG is worth participating in if you want to get feature requests across
2008/05/30 [14:11] <+shareme> I have close to 400 followers
2008/05/30 [14:12] <+dahowlett> Steve: shoot the money shot question
2008/05/30 [14:12] <Charbax2> they should do a service that doesn't work with friends or followers, but somehow spreads good stuff throughout all the users. A personalized realtime digg feed
2008/05/30 [14:12] <+kshep> sorta feel bad for these guys..."we're not trying to copy twitter" sorta seems clear to me
2008/05/30 [14:12] <+kshep> I'm missing something
2008/05/30 [14:13] <Charbax2> There should be a friendfeed button called "Give me good stuff going on on the Internet that fits my interests" just basing it on my activity and on my positive ratings
2008/05/30 [14:14] <+shareme> true
2008/05/30 [14:14] <+dahowlett> @Charbax2: that's a whole new technology requirement
2008/05/30 [14:14] <+shareme> interesting AI puzzle
2008/05/30 [14:14] <+dahowlett> but stilla great idea
2008/05/30 [14:14] <@theagent> Charbax2, it's coming but not from these guys
2008/05/30 [14:14] <+treeshapiro> (people, people who eat people)
2008/05/30 [14:15] <Charbax2> a little "discard" x button next to each item to discard uninteresting stuff from that recommendations feed, and the "thumbs up" or "like" icon, this way ones personal taste is constantly refined
2008/05/30 [14:15] <+treeshapiro> s-nap
2008/05/30 [14:15] <@theagent> anonymous chat participants please change your names. Type /nick nameyouwanthere
2008/05/30 [14:15] <+treeshapiro> on whiteboard?
2008/05/30 [14:16] <Charbax2> theagent, who do you think is going to bring that kind of feature?
2008/05/30 [14:16] <+treeshapiro> here it comes
2008/05/30 [14:16] <@theagent> Charbax2, I am
032008/05/30 [14:16] * ustreamer-89254 is now known as JNathan
2008/05/30 [14:16] <+BarbaraKB> ;-) Found link of FF :)
2008/05/30 [14:17] <+treeshapiro> shocks and saddens me too
2008/05/30 [14:17] <Charbax2> cool, if you can put "item recommendations" in Google Reader, that'd be cool also
2008/05/30 [14:17] <+treeshapiro> oh really?
2008/05/30 [14:18] <+treeshapiro> members only
2008/05/30 [14:18] <+kshep> seems like these guys just wanted to build a feed aggregator and now people are pushing them to be something else
2008/05/30 [14:18] <JNathan> hugh wants 2 way commenting? its already possible with twitter but not the other services
2008/05/30 [14:18] <ustreamer-82642> so what about those other services?
2008/05/30 [14:18] <ustreamer-82642> you have to be a member of those
2008/05/30 [14:18] <ustreamer-82642> why is FF any different?
2008/05/30 [14:18] <+treeshapiro> corny copia
2008/05/30 [14:19] <+treeshapiro> omg - the money jello shot
2008/05/30 [14:19] <ustreamer-82642> this is utopia... "I want to talk to everyone, everywhere, without signing up"
2008/05/30 [14:19] <@TinaGillmor> tweet link http://ustream.tv/channel/techaura
2008/05/30 [14:19] <+treeshapiro> what's with the biology metawhatfors?
2008/05/30 [14:19] <+dahowlett> Hugh's point makes a lot of sense
2008/05/30 [14:19] <+treeshapiro> oh please.
2008/05/30 [14:19] <+shareme> biology majors?
2008/05/30 [14:19] <+treeshapiro> rebel
2008/05/30 [14:20] <JNathan> imaginery friends on friendfeed is superb for that kind of thing too
2008/05/30 [14:20] <+treeshapiro> imaginary
2008/05/30 [14:20] <+kshep> ...and twitter for my real-time communication...
2008/05/30 [14:20] <+dahowlett> This guy is utterly missing Hugh's point
2008/05/30 [14:21] <+treeshapiro> sometimes you move like an ff, sometimes more like a rewind
2008/05/30 [14:21] <+dahowlett> There has to be a meeting point for information - that's the point
2008/05/30 [14:21] <+treeshapiro> buzz diverse, buzz bzzzz biz
2008/05/30 [14:21] <+bwana> it's a much bigger issue
2008/05/30 [14:22] <+bwana> i doubt FF can solve it
2008/05/30 [14:22] <Charbax2> Scoble!
2008/05/30 [14:22] <+mdoeff> hey bwana
2008/05/30 [14:22] <@TinaGillmor> Currently on the call - Paul & Bret from FriendFeed, Dan Farber, Mike Vizard, Hugh MacLeod, Marc Canter, Robert Anderson, Robert Scoble, Loren Feldman
2008/05/30 [14:22] <+kshep> instead of tracking down all my different services and subscribing to those feeds, I do that part on FriendFeed and my friends just go to my one, you know, "Friend Feed"
2008/05/30 [14:22] <+bwana> hey mdoeff!
2008/05/30 [14:23] <Charbax2> Loren Feldman just posted that video with Scoble's head covering <censored>?
2008/05/30 [14:23] <ustreamer-85687> I like it with Alert Thingy
2008/05/30 [14:23] <+treeshapiro> oh you're too modest
2008/05/30 [14:23] <+dahowlett> Loren's interview with Cyan is waay too funny
2008/05/30 [14:24] <+treeshapiro> yeah. i got a bridge in brooklyn, feldman..
2008/05/30 [14:24] <Charbax2> when Youtube starts paying Youtube publishers for overlay ads, guys like Loren could easilly make a living just by posting videos
2008/05/30 [14:24] <+bwana> learning curve is a little high at the moment
2008/05/30 [14:24] <+dahowlett> f-i-r-e-h-o-s-e
2008/05/30 [14:24] <+BarbaraKB> FriendFeed competition is Pownce & Facebook not Twitter. Why always comparing to Twitter. Don't understand...
2008/05/30 [14:24] <JNathan> ^
2008/05/30 [14:24] <+treeshapiro> ff guys seem straightforward
2008/05/30 [14:24] <+kshep> track
2008/05/30 [14:24] <+mdoeff> If I'm in the mood for some heavy duty discussion I go to FF. If it's bite-sized consumption, I go to Twitter.
2008/05/30 [14:25] <JNathan> barbara i dont understand that viewpoint
2008/05/30 [14:25] <+treeshapiro> thank you mandelbrot
2008/05/30 [14:25] <+bwana> they are compared because people are using Twitter for discussions the same way people are using FriendFeed
2008/05/30 [14:25] <+BarbaraKB> @JNathan ? what is your viewpoint? sorry...
2008/05/30 [14:25] <+bwana> there's an overlap of functionality
2008/05/30 [14:25] <JNathan> there is enough overlap between twitter/ff for there to be comparisons
2008/05/30 [14:25] <+treeshapiro> like, yeah, like hot, like 50 times, like
2008/05/30 [14:25] <+bwana> I believe they are complimentary, but others don't think that
2008/05/30 [14:26] <+dahowlett> This guys point is about the un-connectedness of some people
2008/05/30 [14:26] <+BarbaraKB> @bwana No, comments @ FF very different than Twitter. Like Ueenet groups of old..
2008/05/30 [14:26] <+bwana> I didn't say comments, I said discussions
2008/05/30 [14:26] <JNathan> twitter is an aggregator too
2008/05/30 [14:26] <@theagent> anonymous chat participants please change your names. Type /nick nameyouwanthere
2008/05/30 [14:26] <JNathan> people always post links to photos, blogs or whatever
2008/05/30 [14:27] <+treeshapiro> sounds reasonable
2008/05/30 [14:27] <+kshep> sure does
2008/05/30 [14:27] <JNathan> hence the growth of tinyurl.
2008/05/30 [14:27] <+dahowlett> merging by topic would be useful
032008/05/30 [14:27] * ustreamer-49750 is now known as kate-517
2008/05/30 [14:27] <+BarbaraKB> Twitter is a human feed with conversation. FriendFeed is old Usenet discussion groups. Look @ how "rooms" was just launched.
2008/05/30 [14:28] <+mdoeff> I love this GreaseMonkey script for quickly filtering by service http://snurl.com/2blwj
2008/05/30 [14:28] <+treeshapiro> @#
2008/05/30 [14:28] <+kshep> I don't want to carry on a conversation with everybody I know all the time. e.g. There's no reason for comments here to show up in Twitter.
2008/05/30 [14:28] <+bwana> I don't agree with it, but people are quick to compare @replies to FriendFeed's comment system. Sure they operate differently, but I'm explaining why people compare them.
2008/05/30 [14:28] <+dahowlett> Steve's on his @ thing - again
2008/05/30 [14:29] <+bwana> like I said, I believe they compliment each other
2008/05/30 [14:29] <LuJames> disable @, enable track
2008/05/30 [14:29] <+bwana> but others get sucked into @replies vs comments
2008/05/30 [14:29] <Charbax2> Should friendfeed make somekind of Firefox plugin to record all the stuff that you do such as when you post comments on some blogs, or to select some interesting parts of some articles or something
2008/05/30 [14:29] <+treeshapiro> @steve#Alpine train ff #domain feature not sure @positive
2008/05/30 [14:29] <+treeshapiro> hey
2008/05/30 [14:29] <JNathan> @ charbax thats where the disqus stuff comes into play
2008/05/30 [14:30] <+treeshapiro> is he dissin youtube?
2008/05/30 [14:30] <+kshep> or the comments to any streaming video ;-)
2008/05/30 [14:30] <+kshep> real time chat :-)
2008/05/30 [14:30] <+treeshapiro> i've had no bad jew comments
2008/05/30 [14:30] <+mterenzio> man I'm missing the qwhole show
2008/05/30 [14:30] <+mterenzio> busy here
2008/05/30 [14:30] <+mterenzio> have to catch the tapes
2008/05/30 [14:30] <+BarbaraKB> Radio Talk Shows are *Filtered* - dumb!~
2008/05/30 [14:30] <Charbax2> does the blog owner have to install disqus or cocomment for that to work right?
2008/05/30 [14:30] <+treeshapiro> who is this speaking at the moment?
2008/05/30 [14:31] <+shareme> ohter thanth ejaverscript inpage? no
2008/05/30 [14:31] <+mdoeff> sucks but ther are a few trolls and griefers already floating around on FriendFeed
2008/05/30 [14:31] <+treeshapiro> charbax, yes
2008/05/30 [14:31] <@TinaGillmor> That was either Paul or Bret from FriendFeed
2008/05/30 [14:31] <+mterenzio> Ang Gang listeners that want to test a new Twitter client over the next week stop by http://twitter.im
2008/05/30 [14:31] <+treeshapiro> thank you
2008/05/30 [14:31] <@TinaGillmor> think it was Paul
2008/05/30 [14:31] <@TinaGillmor> welcome
2008/05/30 [14:31] <+BarbaraKB> @mdoeff Reason *many* are not @ FF... or have privated themselves already.
2008/05/30 [14:31] <+bwana> if you're concerned about your blog comments, I suggest looking at yacktrack
2008/05/30 [14:31] <+treeshapiro> which one is he in the picture tina?
2008/05/30 [14:32] <+treeshapiro> any idea? not that it matters
032008/05/30 [14:32] * ustreamer-43979 is now known as ChrisSaad-4337
2008/05/30 [14:32] <@TinaGillmor> I don't know Tree. Jerry, you know?
2008/05/30 [14:32] <+mdoeff> Matt that's a great url. Do you think Twitter will have any issue with it?
2008/05/30 [14:32] <+bwana> why would users be outraged about your open conversation?
2008/05/30 [14:33] <+bwana> I'm confused
2008/05/30 [14:33] <+treeshapiro> not important. i like them though. thoughtful. non pr-ish
2008/05/30 [14:33] <+mterenzio> who knows. I don't care at this point because It's a side project.
2008/05/30 [14:34] <+shareme> ie th ecritical mass
2008/05/30 [14:34] <+treeshapiro> what do you mean mterenzio?
2008/05/30 [14:34] <@theagent> Paul is far left in the picture
2008/05/30 [14:34] <@TinaGillmor> Agree, seem like REAL guys. not much dodging and shading. They seem to be listening...nice
2008/05/30 [14:34] <@theagent> Brett is in the middle
2008/05/30 [14:34] <+shareme> real tiem convers one otmany critical mass
2008/05/30 [14:34] <+bwana> if I want really real-time conversation, there's this thing called IRC... oh look..we're on it!
2008/05/30 [14:35] <+bwana> Twitter is an asynchronous worldwide IRC chat room
2008/05/30 [14:35] <+bwana> :)
2008/05/30 [14:35] <+mdoeff> is robert in the chat room?
2008/05/30 [14:35] <+mterenzio> treeshapiro regarding http://twitter.im
2008/05/30 [14:35] <+treeshapiro> thanks
2008/05/30 [14:35] <+mterenzio> it's just a fun side thing
2008/05/30 [14:35] <@TinaGillmor> I haven't seen Scoble in the chat
2008/05/30 [14:35] <ChrisSaad-4337> "Used to use with twitter" lol
2008/05/30 [14:36] <@TinaGillmor> ...if that's who you were asking about
2008/05/30 [14:36] <+treeshapiro> just trying to keep up
2008/05/30 [14:36] <+kshep> Mr. Scoble seems to like to take services and completly warp them to fit what he wants to do
2008/05/30 [14:36] <@theagent> I think Scoble is on the road
2008/05/30 [14:36] <+bwana> FF added email capability
2008/05/30 [14:36] <+mdoeff> maybe i'm missing something but how do you follow a threaded discussion through an IM client?
2008/05/30 [14:36] <+treeshapiro> scoble certainly did not read on the road
2008/05/30 [14:36] <ChrisSaad-4337> Well done scoble :)
2008/05/30 [14:36] <+treeshapiro> true
2008/05/30 [14:36] <@TinaGillmor> oooh...Ken your comment got on the show
2008/05/30 [14:36] <+mdoeff> We're a picky bunch us users
2008/05/30 [14:36] <+kshep> ...even though it wasn't their original intent. I didn't say there was anything wrong with it
2008/05/30 [14:37] <+treeshapiro> make me happy
2008/05/30 [14:37] <@TinaGillmor> hey Chris Saad...welcome
2008/05/30 [14:37] <+mdoeff> You can't say Yes to every user request
2008/05/30 [14:37] <+bwana> thank you!
2008/05/30 [14:37] <ChrisSaad-4337> Thanks Tina :
2008/05/30 [14:37] <+bwana> I agree with that statement so much it hurts
2008/05/30 [14:37] <+kshep> yeah, Tina. I seem to hit a nerve every so often
2008/05/30 [14:37] <+treeshapiro> is this canter?
2008/05/30 [14:37] <+treeshapiro> how is the mural coming is what i want to know
2008/05/30 [14:37] <+mstearne> @treeshapiro yes
2008/05/30 [14:37] <@theagent> there are options for warping services.. it's called modularity with objects
2008/05/30 [14:37] <+mdoeff> I want to write on Canter's mural
2008/05/30 [14:37] <+treeshapiro> simple, too true,
2008/05/30 [14:38] <@theagent> widgets, gadgets etc
2008/05/30 [14:38] <+shareme> kshep you di dnot hit a never it sjust a good point..:)
2008/05/30 [14:38] <+treeshapiro> get out the sharpie canter
2008/05/30 [14:38] <+Lorenfeldman> Alright I gotta split, thanks Steve
2008/05/30 [14:38] <+treeshapiro> say hello to your gf feldman
2008/05/30 [14:38] <+treeshapiro> puppet and puppy
2008/05/30 [14:39] <+treeshapiro> the question mark, get it?
2008/05/30 [14:40] <+mdoeff> kumbaya open friendfeed
2008/05/30 [14:40] <+treeshapiro> i'm not on ff but i do like these guys
2008/05/30 [14:40] <+treeshapiro> i like what i'm hearing.
2008/05/30 [14:40] <+bwana> I think FF has opened up quite a bit, much like Twitter did in the early days
2008/05/30 [14:40] <+treeshapiro> my love, kumbaya
2008/05/30 [14:40] <+bwana> json :)
2008/05/30 [14:41] <+treeshapiro> stop with the "conversation" word.
2008/05/30 [14:41] <+maxineappleby> and you need a fully redundant network!
2008/05/30 [14:41] <+treeshapiro> it's been killed
2008/05/30 [14:41] <+treeshapiro> a mark always finds his pigeon
2008/05/30 [14:41] <+treeshapiro> spelling
2008/05/30 [14:42] <+bwana> me too
2008/05/30 [14:42] <+bwana> very interested in that
2008/05/30 [14:42] <+mterenzio> I want XMPP!
2008/05/30 [14:42] <+bwana> lol
2008/05/30 [14:42] <ChrisSaad-4337> lol
2008/05/30 [14:42] <+treeshapiro> hmmmmmm
2008/05/30 [14:42] <ChrisSaad-4337> Microsoft is much more open that Facebook
2008/05/30 [14:42] <+treeshapiro> goog who?
2008/05/30 [14:42] <ChrisSaad-4337> Facebook = Old Microsoft
2008/05/30 [14:43] <+mdoeff> Steve is going to mention Mesh any second now
2008/05/30 [14:43] <+bwana> big can of worms there Chris :)
2008/05/30 [14:43] <+treeshapiro> he already did
2008/05/30 [14:43] <ChrisSaad-4337> I am always opening big cans of worms bwana
2008/05/30 [14:43] <+bwana> hehe
2008/05/30 [14:43] <JNathan> meh. facebook is open.
2008/05/30 [14:43] <+mdoeff> treeshapiro i guess i filtered that out. I still have no idea what Mesh is.
2008/05/30 [14:43] <+treeshapiro> oh my
2008/05/30 [14:43] <+treeshapiro> no one does
2008/05/30 [14:44] <+treeshapiro> i asked bram cohen and he was vague
2008/05/30 [14:44] <+treeshapiro> er
2008/05/30 [14:44] <+bwana> vague generates buzz
2008/05/30 [14:44] <+bwana> :)
2008/05/30 [14:44] <+shareme> scalability is always hard
2008/05/30 [14:44] <+treeshapiro> love the bram
2008/05/30 [14:45] <+bwana> a real architecture :)
2008/05/30 [14:45] <@theagent> it's exactly what he's talking about... FEDERATION
2008/05/30 [14:45] <+bwana> redudancy is not always federation
2008/05/30 [14:45] <+shareme> two federatiosn I knlow Jabber and Jxta in the IM space
2008/05/30 [14:45] <@theagent> complete redundancy is federation
2008/05/30 [14:45] <+treeshapiro> hey!
2008/05/30 [14:45] <+bwana> and defending them!
2008/05/30 [14:46] <+bwana> lol
2008/05/30 [14:46] <+shareme> agreed
2008/05/30 [14:46] <+mdoeff> where's my pellet??!!??
2008/05/30 [14:46] <+maxineappleby> too true
2008/05/30 [14:46] <+treeshapiro> you calling me a rodent gillmor?
2008/05/30 [14:46] <+kshep> micropayments per message
2008/05/30 [14:46] <+kshep> phone company style billing
2008/05/30 [14:46] <+bwana> lol
2008/05/30 [14:46] <+BarbaraKB> Thank you, Steve. Finally!
2008/05/30 [14:46] <+mdoeff> kshep too late for that wouldn't you say?
2008/05/30 [14:46] <JNathan> literally? lol
2008/05/30 [14:46] <+bwana> Scoble = walking stress test
2008/05/30 [14:46] <+treeshapiro> fudgie the whale
2008/05/30 [14:46] <ChrisSaad-4337> Scoble = Canary in the Cole Mine
2008/05/30 [14:46] <+mdoeff> i always thought they should have charged businesses from the start. Now it's too late.
2008/05/30 [14:46] <+treeshapiro> cue theme from rocky
2008/05/30 [14:47] <+kshep> mdoeff: yeah. probably.
2008/05/30 [14:47] <+bwana> me too
2008/05/30 [14:47] <+bwana> the too late thing hit me a couple of weeks ago
2008/05/30 [14:47] <+kshep> just turn every off and post a ransom request
2008/05/30 [14:47] <+BarbaraKB> FriendFeed competes with Pownce reason so popular with digg crowd right now.
2008/05/30 [14:47] <+treeshapiro> judge judy
2008/05/30 [14:48] <+maxineappleby> FF is too much information for me
2008/05/30 [14:48] <+maxineappleby> Twitter is easy
2008/05/30 [14:48] <+treeshapiro> well, i like them.
2008/05/30 [14:48] <+maxineappleby> I can't read that fast
2008/05/30 [14:48] <+treeshapiro> and i pretty much hate everyone
2008/05/30 [14:48] <+BarbaraKB> @maxineappleby U are typical online user. good for u! :)
2008/05/30 [14:49] <+treeshapiro> i'm talking about the ff guys
2008/05/30 [14:49] <+maxineappleby> yes I am
2008/05/30 [14:49] <+bwana> I find Friendfeed easier personally because I limit my intake very carefully
2008/05/30 [14:49] <+bwana> it's a learning curve
2008/05/30 [14:49] <+bwana> which I believe can be improved by FF
2008/05/30 [14:49] <+treeshapiro> i have no info except for what i've heard here.
2008/05/30 [14:49] <+maxineappleby> I like FF only with Alert Thingy, but but itself - no
2008/05/30 [14:49] <JNathan> how many people actually use track.
2008/05/30 [14:49] <+treeshapiro> no experience with ff , just twitter
2008/05/30 [14:49] <+maxineappleby> I like bits of information, I'm too busy
2008/05/30 [14:49] <+BarbaraKB> @bwana U are unusual online user.
2008/05/30 [14:50] <+bwana> JNathan - I live by track on TWitter
2008/05/30 [14:50] <+bwana> BarbaraKB - thanks for reminding me
2008/05/30 [14:50] <+BarbaraKB> :)
2008/05/30 [14:50] <JNathan> @bwana I suspect you are a significant minority.
2008/05/30 [14:50] <+bwana> I am
2008/05/30 [14:50] <+treeshapiro> i like that idea
2008/05/30 [14:50] <+bwana> I made a blog post about track a few months ago
2008/05/30 [14:51] <+bwana> tons of people didn't know how it worked
2008/05/30 [14:51] <+maxineappleby> good to be different :-)
2008/05/30 [14:51] <+treeshapiro> i want it to be easy
2008/05/30 [14:51] <+maxineappleby> me three
2008/05/30 [14:51] <+mdoeff> bwana i'm also a big fan of track feature on Twitter.
2008/05/30 [14:51] <+shareme> thus federation thorugh a gateway into someone elses service
2008/05/30 [14:51] <+treeshapiro> go celtics
2008/05/30 [14:51] <+treeshapiro> no
2008/05/30 [14:51] <+bwana> without Track, twitter loses much of its value for me
2008/05/30 [14:51] <JNathan> steve on a basic level you have emails from friend feed into gmail, to use as an archive. not real time but good nonetheless.
2008/05/30 [14:51] <+Folknology> What about the whole that track leaves for spam?
2008/05/30 [14:52] <+Folknology> hole
2008/05/30 [14:52] <+treeshapiro> pidgeon, could someone spell that for me?
2008/05/30 [14:52] <+BarbaraKB> Yup. Have to be able to personalize FF. Steve is correct.
2008/05/30 [14:52] <+bwana> that's a track bug
2008/05/30 [14:52] <+bwana> track should exclude blocked Twitter users
2008/05/30 [14:52] <+mdoeff> Folknology they need to fix that. Apparently it's not an easy fix.
2008/05/30 [14:52] <+treeshapiro> omgz
2008/05/30 [14:52] <+mdoeff> Griefers and trolls are really abusing that track spam bug
2008/05/30 [14:52] <+treeshapiro> must get opium
2008/05/30 [14:52] <+Folknology> Blocking even when it works would not stop spam
2008/05/30 [14:53] <+Folknology> Spammers aren't individuals
2008/05/30 [14:53] <+kshep> Seems like everybody has their own personal vision of their perfect single service, and the task is to find what's closest and reshape it
2008/05/30 [14:53] <+bwana> well that's a whole different argument
2008/05/30 [14:53] <+Folknology> they are bots that have many accounts
2008/05/30 [14:53] <+bwana> spam is its own juggernaut of an issue
2008/05/30 [14:53] <+treeshapiro> i <censored> wake up in the morning, your night
2008/05/30 [14:53] <+treeshapiro> why do i like this guy?
2008/05/30 [14:54] <+BarbaraKB> Need to think about average online user. FF is for hardcore online user at this time.
2008/05/30 [14:54] <+mdoeff> I think Twitter needs to assign a reputation rating to every Twitter account. Spammers should have a low reputation and there should be a way to filter out the track result based on that. Same thing could be used by Summize, TweetScan, etc.
2008/05/30 [14:54] <+maxineappleby> treeshapiro - ya miss that bubbly black goo
2008/05/30 [14:54] <+kshep> 'cause he's making sense, tree?
2008/05/30 [14:54] <+bwana> the thing I like about FriendFeed is that it lets me develop my own view into the social web
2008/05/30 [14:54] <+webtuto> hey
2008/05/30 [14:54] <+bwana> it allows me to personalize a great deal
2008/05/30 [14:54] <+bwana> that's a good idea mdoeff
2008/05/30 [14:54] <+treeshapiro> yeah.
2008/05/30 [14:54] <+maxineappleby> old days
2008/05/30 [14:54] <+webtuto> are u reviewing a website ?
2008/05/30 [14:54] <+treeshapiro> he's not bullshitting me, that's why
2008/05/30 [14:55] <+Folknology> Reputation that didn't work with email or blogger re spam
2008/05/30 [14:55] <+treeshapiro> could someone spell pigeon for me?
2008/05/30 [14:55] <+webtuto> is ther a php programer her ?
2008/05/30 [14:55] <+treeshapiro> i don't guts the time.
2008/05/30 [14:55] <+maxineappleby> isn't part of Twitter's problem their network provider?
2008/05/30 [14:55] <+Folknology> If sending had a micro cost, then spam could be alleviated
2008/05/30 [14:56] <+treeshapiro> show us the mural!
2008/05/30 [14:56] <+treeshapiro> aggravate the mural!
2008/05/30 [14:56] <+maxineappleby> he painted over it
2008/05/30 [14:56] <+treeshapiro> no!
2008/05/30 [14:56] <+webtuto> is ther someone wana make a website with me ? im a php programer
2008/05/30 [14:56] <+treeshapiro> see the difference in tone?
2008/05/30 [14:56] <+BarbaraKB> Steve, can we compare FriendFeed to other services: Jaiku, Pownce, Facebook? Let's drop Twitter comparison?
2008/05/30 [14:57] <+treeshapiro> in self-imprtance?
2008/05/30 [14:57] <+treeshapiro> pr bullshit?
2008/05/30 [14:57] <+treeshapiro> i like these guys ff so far.
2008/05/30 [14:57] <+bwana> that's what he asked
2008/05/30 [14:57] <+bwana> isn't it?
2008/05/30 [14:57] <+connectedgeek-1> @webtuto show us some of your work?
2008/05/30 [14:57] <+webtuto> well im actually working on a website on my pc
2008/05/30 [14:57] <+bwana> I could have sworn he asked what their vision was
2008/05/30 [14:57] <+treeshapiro> sorry steve; you are going after the wrongo boyos
2008/05/30 [14:57] <+webtuto> and i did 3 websites for my clients but i dont have the url :s
2008/05/30 [14:58] <+bwana> gasp! they are paying attention
2008/05/30 [14:58] <+bwana> :)
2008/05/30 [14:58] <+bwana> I'm with barbara, let's compare to pownce/jaiku/facebook
2008/05/30 [14:58] <+bwana> punt on Twitter
2008/05/30 [14:58] <+treeshapiro> oh, i see
2008/05/30 [14:58] <+maxineappleby> right and there are 37 on this call
2008/05/30 [14:59] <+bwana> I disagree
2008/05/30 [14:59] <+treeshapiro> yeah, you should see the aggressive <censored> i'm working on
2008/05/30 [14:59] <+toggomusic> hi
2008/05/30 [14:59] <+webtuto> could someone tell me plz wots this call about and wot are they saying plzz ?
2008/05/30 [14:59] <+treeshapiro> s-nap
2008/05/30 [14:59] <ustreamer-62236> Never trust a guy who still uses a chorded handset
2008/05/30 [14:59] <+treeshapiro> s-nap ff!
2008/05/30 [14:59] <+mdoeff> I like Steve's old school phone. Is it rotary?
2008/05/30 [14:59] <+treeshapiro> be kind to the old man
2008/05/30 [15:00] <@TinaGillmor> 62236...but it works
2008/05/30 [15:00] <+bwana> Users generally don't know what they want
2008/05/30 [15:00] <ustreamer-50026> lol, scoble
2008/05/30 [15:00] <+treeshapiro> thank gods he cropped that photo
2008/05/30 [15:00] <@theagent> anonymous chat participants please change your names. Type /nick nameyouwanthere
2008/05/30 [15:00] <+kshep> but you have to be careful as a company not to neglect the silent majority for the vocal minority
2008/05/30 [15:00] <+jromeh> his chords come through over the cord
2008/05/30 [15:00] <+BarbaraKB> need to ignore these early adopters... need to go to average user - market analysis - where is that?
2008/05/30 [15:00] <+treeshapiro> it was like marie antoinette with triplettes before
2008/05/30 [15:00] <+kshep> some people might just want a really great aggregator
2008/05/30 [15:01] <+pokai> how about twitter merge w/ friendfeed?
2008/05/30 [15:01] <JNathan> @kshep exactly
2008/05/30 [15:01] <+treeshapiro> sorry the "passionate' word lost me
2008/05/30 [15:01] <+webtuto> friendfeed is not famous
2008/05/30 [15:01] <+BarbaraKB> oh... me too BUT, there are so many good suggestions BUT need to go to them!!
2008/05/30 [15:01] <+mdoeff> We're a bunch of freaks
2008/05/30 [15:01] <+treeshapiro> stfu?
2008/05/30 [15:02] <+BarbaraKB> @Scoble many do give a **it about the noise
2008/05/30 [15:02] <+bwana> gasp! the average user!
2008/05/30 [15:02] <+maxineappleby> I am the average user and I don't like the noise
2008/05/30 [15:02] <+pokai> scoble is speedreader
2008/05/30 [15:02] <+treeshapiro> oooh, and eat two lobster sandwiches and a bucket of extra crispy?
2008/05/30 [15:02] <+bwana> it's a learning curve
2008/05/30 [15:02] <+mterenzio> No friendfeed should merge with techmeme to create a n overview of all the media and conversations happening
2008/05/30 [15:02] <+bwana> that's it
2008/05/30 [15:02] <@theagent> anonymous chat participants please change your names. Type /nick nameyouwanthere
2008/05/30 [15:02] <+bwana> the noise can be managed, it's not obvious how to do it
2008/05/30 [15:02] <+mdoeff> Robert is this is for other people then it shouldn't be a query language. FF should expose API's and someone should build a cool, usable app that allows you to see things that match your interests.
2008/05/30 [15:02] <+pokai> friendfeed is good...less than 1 year old
2008/05/30 [15:02] <+BarbaraKB> *control* is *why* average user likes Twitter... I am all about the average user. NOT that early adopters :)
2008/05/30 [15:02] <+treeshapiro> all that and a bag of chips
2008/05/30 [15:03] <+kshep> how about a service for my mom so she can just go to one site and see my photos on Flickr, my blog posts, the occaisional twitter... maybe somebody could build a service for her. Oh, wiat. That's FF
2008/05/30 [15:03] <+maxineappleby> then that is the key to good product design
2008/05/30 [15:03] <+treeshapiro> omgz!
2008/05/30 [15:03] <+bwana> Twitter is hard to complicate
2008/05/30 [15:03] <+BarbaraKB> Jaiku - LOTS of control...
2008/05/30 [15:03] <+treeshapiro> WOW!
2008/05/30 [15:03] <+Folknology> friendfeed is a real time techmeme but much better
2008/05/30 [15:03] <ChrisSaad-4337> Comments on FriendFeed = Bad idea
2008/05/30 [15:03] <+maxineappleby> yes
2008/05/30 [15:03] <+bwana> comments are the sole reason why I'm on Friendfeed
2008/05/30 [15:03] <+pokai> new tab for comment
2008/05/30 [15:03] <+treeshapiro> ooh.
2008/05/30 [15:03] <+mdoeff> I don't think an average user should be able to hit the FF database with any kind of query. People will unleash crazy queries and slow things down.
2008/05/30 [15:03] <+kshep> Agreed, Chris. But every php/rails demo shows you how to attach comments to everything
2008/05/30 [15:04] <ChrisSaad-4337> @kshep lol
2008/05/30 [15:04] <+BarbaraKB> I do NOT apolgize for caring about average internet user...
2008/05/30 [15:04] <+pokai> get on train
2008/05/30 [15:04] <+bwana> might as well use profilactic if comments are a waste
2008/05/30 [15:04] <+treeshapiro> lobster rick roll
2008/05/30 [15:04] <+Folknology> however friendfeed is difficult to consume as volume grows exponetially with followers
2008/05/30 [15:04] <+BarbaraKB> BTW, I love FF... great place to see my "friends feeds." GREAT name!
2008/05/30 [15:04] <+jromeh> so when will clients start to show the target url for a tinyurl when you hover over it?
2008/05/30 [15:04] <+mdoeff> Comments are the new black. Don't dis comments!
2008/05/30 [15:04] <+pokai> scoble is not typical user
2008/05/30 [15:05] <+kshep> Scoble is his own market segment
2008/05/30 [15:05] <+bwana> you must learn how to manage the content... it's a learning curve
2008/05/30 [15:05] <+treeshapiro> to market to market
2008/05/30 [15:05] <+maxineappleby> thanks all - need to go to a meeting
2008/05/30 [15:05] <+BarbaraKB> @bwana how manage comments??
2008/05/30 [15:05] <+hardaway> Most of the comments are just people trying to look at themselves commenting
2008/05/30 [15:05] <+Folknology> track could seriously reduce the volume of course, as long as it isn't a spam magnet
2008/05/30 [15:05] <+pokai> before getting on call, should at least try product
2008/05/30 [15:05] <+bwana> hide
2008/05/30 [15:05] <+hardaway> very few of the comments add to the conversation
2008/05/30 [15:05] <+jromeh> is there a url shortener with an api that would allow a client to find out what the target is?
2008/05/30 [15:05] <+bwana> its really that simple...hide what you don't want to see
2008/05/30 [15:05] <+pokai> zzz
2008/05/30 [15:06] <+treeshapiro> @steve#coherence@fudgie the whale
2008/05/30 [15:06] <+shareme> jromeh you mean say tip popup?
2008/05/30 [15:06] <+BarbaraKB> @bwana hide? pleez, not that simple and you know it!
2008/05/30 [15:06] <+bwana> that's what I do
2008/05/30 [15:06] <+jromeh> shareme exactly
2008/05/30 [15:06] <+bwana> and it works
2008/05/30 [15:06] <+pokai> exactly
2008/05/30 [15:06] <+BarbaraKB> u cannot hide bad and nasty commenters...
2008/05/30 [15:06] <+bwana> well that's a different question
2008/05/30 [15:06] <+pokai> i need new tab that only shows new posts vs new comments
2008/05/30 [15:06] <+bwana> I'm talking about noise
2008/05/30 [15:06] <+bwana> not malicious users
2008/05/30 [15:06] <+bwana> malicious users is a problem on FF now
2008/05/30 [15:06] <+jromeh> asked the twitteriffic guys about it a while back, they said it was on the list
2008/05/30 [15:06] <+shareme> jromeh there jromerh not sure
2008/05/30 [15:07] <+treeshapiro> define malicious
2008/05/30 [15:07] <+bwana> trolls
2008/05/30 [15:07] <+mdoeff> BarbaraKB they need to fix that. If I see nastiness in a comment thread I hide the entire item. I should be able to nuke just the bad apple(s).
2008/05/30 [15:07] <+bwana> users you want to block
2008/05/30 [15:07] <+shareme> I kno wGG discusse dit this week
2008/05/30 [15:07] <+kshep> block block
2008/05/30 [15:07] <+bwana> you can't really block a user on FF
2008/05/30 [15:07] <+pokai> part of life on internet
2008/05/30 [15:07] <+BarbaraKB> @bwana thank you. that's a HUGE problem for FF. trolls are *bad* @ FF and getting worse by the hour.
2008/05/30 [15:07] <+jromeh> seems a shortener could gain traction against competitors by providing that api
2008/05/30 [15:07] <+bwana> agreed
2008/05/30 [15:08] <+BarbaraKB> @pokai no, not. not for most folks who want to be on internet.
2008/05/30 [15:08] <+treeshapiro> interesting; i should check it out before judguing
2008/05/30 [15:08] <+pokai> ok
2008/05/30 [15:08] <+pokai> then just ignore
2008/05/30 [15:08] <+treeshapiro> spell good one day
2008/05/30 [15:08] <+BarbaraKB> @chrissaad hey! thanks!
2008/05/30 [15:08] <+mdoeff> here we go again...
2008/05/30 [15:08] <+treeshapiro> speak english
2008/05/30 [15:08] <+bwana> oh God
2008/05/30 [15:08] <ustreamer-62236> oh lord
2008/05/30 [15:08] <+jromeh> shareme musta missed that thus far
2008/05/30 [15:08] <+bwana> *face palm*
2008/05/30 [15:09] <ustreamer-62236> and this dope is responsbile for data portability?
2008/05/30 [15:09] <+mdoeff> this topic has been beaten to death
2008/05/30 [15:09] <+kshep> it's not an "ownership" issue per se, though
2008/05/30 [15:09] <ustreamer-62236> no thanks
2008/05/30 [15:09] <+pokai> friendfeed is good now...it's up to user to filter
2008/05/30 [15:09] <+shareme> multi-tasking
2008/05/30 [15:09] <+bwana> horse. dead. beaten. bleeding.
2008/05/30 [15:09] <+treeshapiro> f'haig
2008/05/30 [15:09] <+mdoeff> conversations will happen everywhere. let's move forward.
2008/05/30 [15:09] <@theagent> anonymous chat participants please change your names. Type /nick nameyouwanthere
2008/05/30 [15:09] <+treeshapiro> (paulie voice from sopranos)
2008/05/30 [15:09] <+pokai> more brett les gilmor
2008/05/30 [15:10] <+mdoeff> not everybody wants there comments permanently attached to someone's blog post
2008/05/30 [15:10] <ustreamer-62236> I hope the FF guys completely ignore the gang
2008/05/30 [15:10] <+Folknology> Twitter carries conversations around hyperlinks
2008/05/30 [15:10] <JNathan> Comments/conversations.... is there a difference
2008/05/30 [15:10] <+pokai> hmmm
2008/05/30 [15:10] <+mdoeff> hmmm is right
2008/05/30 [15:10] <+treeshapiro> oh my.
2008/05/30 [15:10] <+pokai> i need to go do soemthing else
2008/05/30 [15:10] <+bwana> awkward.
2008/05/30 [15:10] <+mdoeff> awkward silence
2008/05/30 [15:10] <+pokai> bye bye
2008/05/30 [15:10] <+kshep> anyway...
2008/05/30 [15:10] <+treeshapiro> oooh.
2008/05/30 [15:10] <+hardaway-1> Wow. Over the top.
2008/05/30 [15:10] <+Folknology> For instance twitter is great for conversations around Zdnet without having to climb their comment wall
2008/05/30 [15:11] <+pokai> go ff go
2008/05/30 [15:11] <+treeshapiro> don't fight wit the gillmor
2008/05/30 [15:11] <+kshep> ...on his show
2008/05/30 [15:11] <+pokai> love the rooms...talk about rooms
2008/05/30 [15:11] <+Folknology> FF achieves similar conversations
2008/05/30 [15:11] <+shareme> bad move to fight with show hots
2008/05/30 [15:11] <+bwana> let's rename the rooms usenet style
2008/05/30 [15:11] <+BarbaraKB> @pokai I agree. Rooms on FF are great idea :)
2008/05/30 [15:11] <+bwana> :)
2008/05/30 [15:11] <ustreamer-62236> rec.bwana.is.god?
2008/05/30 [15:11] <+bwana> alt.conversations.gillmor-gant.misc.repost
2008/05/30 [15:11] <+pokai> barbara...check me out on ff
2008/05/30 [15:12] <+mdoeff> Not everybody wants to open a Disqus account, a Typepad account, a blogger account, etc. etc. etc. FF allows people to comment without all of that overhead.
2008/05/30 [15:12] <+treeshapiro> yesh!
2008/05/30 [15:12] <+treeshapiro> they make sense!
2008/05/30 [15:12] <+pokai> what is your ff name barbara
2008/05/30 [15:12] <+treeshapiro> they are not shilling!
2008/05/30 [15:12] <+dahowlett> nice one Steve
2008/05/30 [15:12] <+shareme> yesthat is great
2008/05/30 [15:12] <ChrisSaad-4337> im off the call now
2008/05/30 [15:12] <JNathan> lol
2008/05/30 [15:12] <ChrisSaad-4337> dont want to upset Steve ;)
2008/05/30 [15:12] <+BarbaraKB> @mdoeff I just want to screen out folks on discussion on FF. THAT would be hard but great!
2008/05/30 [15:13] <+kshep> too late, CHris
2008/05/30 [15:13] <ChrisSaad-4337> ooh well
2008/05/30 [15:13] <+treeshapiro> um thanks marc mark
2008/05/30 [15:13] <+pokai> clap clab bravo
2008/05/30 [15:13] <+bwana> lol
2008/05/30 [15:13] <+pokai> do research before get on call steve
2008/05/30 [15:13] <+BarbaraKB> Thanks FF guys - think of us average users :)
2008/05/30 [15:13] <+mdoeff> Great call Steve. Thanks FF guys.
2008/05/30 [15:13] <+treeshapiro> oh yeah me too, lolicopter
2008/05/30 [15:13] <+kshep> nice job, FF guys
2008/05/30 [15:13] <+pokai> clap clap
2008/05/30 [15:13] <+mdoeff> claps
2008/05/30 [15:13] <+kshep> HAH
062008/05/30 [15:13] * +bwana nods in agreement
2008/05/30 [15:14] <+treeshapiro> are you talking to me?
2008/05/30 [15:14] <+jromeh> another feature for clients - reply to a tweet referencing a short url to the tweet along after the @user
2008/05/30 [15:14] <@TinaGillmor> -----End of show marker for Gillmor gang May 30th, 2008 -----
2008/05/30 [15:15] <+kshep> volume is way down
2008/05/30 [15:15] <+mterenzio> bye bye
2008/05/30 [15:15] <+treeshapiro> thanks theagent, you is a angel
2008/05/30 [15:15] <JNathan> thats better
2008/05/30 [15:15] <+kshep> thanks, Jerry
2008/05/30 [15:15] <+treeshapiro> what time gmt?
2008/05/30 [15:15] <+shareme> thanks theagent
2008/05/30 [15:15] <@TinaGillmor> thanks everyone ...nice show...Newsgang Live starts in 45 minutes
2008/05/30 [15:15] <+kshep> in 45 minutes, tree
2008/05/30 [15:15] <+kshep> :-)
2008/05/30 [15:15] <@stevegillmor> thx to all, NewsGang Live will start at 1PM PDT
2008/05/30 [15:15] <@stevegillmor> thx jerry
2008/05/30 [15:15] <+kshep> spin some tunes
2008/05/30 [15:16] <+treeshapiro> omg, this is new, like it
2008/05/30 [15:16] <@TinaGillmor> thanks Jerry...fantastic as always
2008/05/30 [15:16] <+treeshapiro> better be good music
2008/05/30 [15:16] <+shareme> gstream stil sucks on OpenSolaris
2008/05/30 [15:16] <+treeshapiro> no sound jerry
2008/05/30 [15:16] <@TinaGillmor> I don't think Jerry does requests ;-)
2008/05/30 [15:16] <+kshep> loic and Steve should team up so get Seesmic comments for GG ;-)
2008/05/30 [15:16] <+treeshapiro> oh, i think you'll find....
2008/05/30 [15:17] <+treeshapiro> you emo bastard
2008/05/30 [15:19] <Charbax2> what's going on?
2008/05/30 [15:19] <Charbax2> is there a break?
2008/05/30 [15:20] <+kshep> Gillmore Gang over, News Gang starting in 40 min
2008/05/30 [15:20] <Charbax2> News Gang is the one that is more Obama oriented right?
2008/05/30 [15:20] <+kshep> News/political, yes.
2008/05/30 [15:21] <Charbax2> Hillary is getting Michigan and Florida delegates tomorrow
2008/05/30 [15:21] <+treeshapiro> hahahahahah, no it's the one where some participants are a bit worse for the wear
2008/05/30 [15:21] <+treeshapiro> cough francine cough
2008/05/30 [15:22] <@TinaGillmor> yes we have a break...Newsgang will start at 1pm (hopefully)
2008/05/30 [15:22] <Charbax2> these long shows are cool
2008/05/30 [15:22] <Charbax2> It's like an hour and a half nearly every day
2008/05/30 [15:23] <Charbax2> just too bad it's so much about Obama and Twitter
2008/05/30 [15:23] <+kshep> Hey, Tina... just a random FYI... don't know if you'd care...
2008/05/30 [15:23] <Charbax2> I think both are over-hyped
2008/05/30 [15:23] <+kshep> If you install Chatzilla for Firefox
2008/05/30 [15:23] <+kshep> then just go to irc://chat1.ustream.tv/
2008/05/30 [15:24] <+kshep> and /join #techaura
2008/05/30 [15:24] <+kshep> you get a full view of the chat channel. join/depart messages, direct messaging with the /msg command
2008/05/30 [15:24] <+kshep> stuff you might find handy hosting
2008/05/30 [15:25] <+shareme> good tip kshep
2008/05/30 [15:25] <Charbax2> I think they are going to have to seat all the delegates from Florida & Michigan
2008/05/30 [15:25] <Charbax2> or organize full re-votes in those two states
2008/05/30 [15:26] <Charbax2> no one can democratically do backroom negotiations judging how much the Florida and Michigan delegates should count
2008/05/30 [15:27] <Charbax2> Al Gore should have campaigned for a full Florida re-vote in 2000 instead of a re-count
2008/05/30 [15:29] <+starcube> hi all
2008/05/30 [15:33] <@theagent> theagent_afk
032008/05/30 [15:33] * theagent is now known as afk_theagent
032008/05/30 [15:36] * kshep is now known as ken_too
2008/05/30 [15:37] <@TinaGillmor> Charbax2 ...do you want to participate in the Newsgang Live conference call send your email address to gillmorgroup@gmail.com and we'll send you direction for how to get on the call
2008/05/30 [15:37] <+shareme> it is my understanding that th recount would have riggered a revote in Florida in 2000
2008/05/30 [15:37] <@TinaGillmor> ...or you can listen in the chat
032008/05/30 [15:39] * ken_too is now known as k-3967
032008/05/30 [15:39] * k-3967 is now known as ustreamer-7573
032008/05/30 [15:40] * ustreamer-7573 is now known as kshep-2
2008/05/30 [15:51] <+kshep-1> Hey Jerry, what's this audio that you're streaming?
2008/05/30 [15:53] <@afk_theagent> KCRW
2008/05/30 [15:53] <+kshep> cool
2008/05/30 [15:55] <+kshep> not quite the same as iotum's hold music
032008/05/30 [15:58] * kshep-1 is now known as kshep
2008/05/30 [15:58] <+Abierto_cc> who's coughing?
2008/05/30 [15:59] <+jromeh> moonflying pig
2008/05/30 [15:59] <+shareme> Duke Tomatoe flying pig
2008/05/30 [16:00] <@TinaGillmor> hearing weird echo on the stream. anybody else?
2008/05/30 [16:00] <+kshep> sounds fine here
2008/05/30 [16:00] <@TinaGillmor> ----no that's actually me
2008/05/30 [16:00] <@TinaGillmor> scratch that
2008/05/30 [16:00] <+jromeh> some skipping here
2008/05/30 [16:00] <+jromeh> but not too bad
2008/05/30 [16:04] <+kshep> Apparently Chris Matthews announced on Hardball that MSNBC will be covering the RBC meeting live.
2008/05/30 [16:04] <ustreamer-6735> nice sexism there
2008/05/30 [16:05] <ustreamer-6735> "hysterical woman"
2008/05/30 [16:05] <+Abierto_cc> http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
2008/05/30 [16:06] <+Mickeleh> http://www.ohboyobama.com/
2008/05/30 [16:06] <ustreamer-61522> http://www.ohboyobama.com/tag/Veep
2008/05/30 [16:07] <+jcposner> i'm on mute
2008/05/30 [16:07] <+jcposner> area code 512
2008/05/30 [16:08] <+kshep> Obama's certainly leading among the web designer demographic
2008/05/30 [16:08] <+treeshapiro> make mine a cosmo francine
2008/05/30 [16:09] <+treeshapiro> with a beer back
2008/05/30 [16:09] <+treeshapiro> brand y?
2008/05/30 [16:10] <+Mickeleh> http://www.thenextright.com/
2008/05/30 [16:10] <ustreamer-90183> how about "yomamaobama"?
2008/05/30 [16:10] <+kshep> mymanmccain.com is already registered
2008/05/30 [16:10] <+kshep> yomamaobama.com is for sale
2008/05/30 [16:10] <+treeshapiro> oh my
2008/05/30 [16:11] <+kshep> indeed
2008/05/30 [16:11] <+jcposner> http://www.thenextright.com/
2008/05/30 [16:11] <ustreamer-90183> that's what happens when markman gets his friends to listen
2008/05/30 [16:12] <+kshep> they give the impression of being some very reasonable guys who set out build an agreggator who are now getting completely swamped
2008/05/30 [16:12] <+kshep> FF, that is
2008/05/30 [16:13] <+Abierto_cc> need to set up a multicast class of user
2008/05/30 [16:13] <+treeshapiro-1> quit eating, what?
2008/05/30 [16:13] <+treeshapiro-1> fudgie the whale, comes in his own ocean
2008/05/30 [16:13] <+Abierto_cc> everything is beta and that's why
2008/05/30 [16:13] <+kshep> yeah, how can you not plan for your service being more successful than you can imagene? ;-)
2008/05/30 [16:14] <+treeshapiro-1> more ice?
2008/05/30 [16:14] <+treeshapiro-1> oh oh
2008/05/30 [16:14] <+Abierto_cc> harvesting, baling, storing and reselling as cheerios!
2008/05/30 [16:14] <+treeshapiro-1> exashly
2008/05/30 [16:14] <+treeshapiro-1> professional!
2008/05/30 [16:15] <+treeshapiro-1> mark twain <censored>
2008/05/30 [16:15] <+treeshapiro-1> old skool.
2008/05/30 [16:15] <+Abierto_cc> I think marilyn monroe on floor tiles would be cool
2008/05/30 [16:15] <+treeshapiro-1> oh do go on
2008/05/30 [16:15] <ustreamer-80453> massamccain.com? bigbossmanhillary.com?
2008/05/30 [16:15] <+treeshapiro-1> yeah?
2008/05/30 [16:16] <+treeshapiro-1> ORLY?
2008/05/30 [16:16] <+Abierto_cc> harold
2008/05/30 [16:16] <ustreamer-80453> and maude?
2008/05/30 [16:17] <+treeshapiro-1> i prefer the 10%
2008/05/30 [16:17] <+Abierto_cc> at 538.com they're saying that Obama loses to McCain and Shillary wins
2008/05/30 [16:17] <+Abierto_cc> straight jimmy the greek assessment
2008/05/30 [16:17] <+Abierto_cc> http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
2008/05/30 [16:17] <+treeshapiro-1> will and grace
2008/05/30 [16:17] <ustreamer-80453> withnail and i
2008/05/30 [16:17] <+treeshapiro-1> share toothbrushes and <censored>
2008/05/30 [16:18] <ustreamer-80453> electric toothbrushes?
2008/05/30 [16:18] <+treeshapiro-1> oh plse steve, ax scoble, wtf?
2008/05/30 [16:18] <+treeshapiro-1> male
2008/05/30 [16:18] <+treeshapiro-1> apparentlyy
2008/05/30 [16:19] <+treeshapiro-1> ly
2008/05/30 [16:19] <+treeshapiro-1> exshacktly
2008/05/30 [16:19] <ustreamer-80453> :D
2008/05/30 [16:19] <+treeshapiro-1> exacto
2008/05/30 [16:19] <+treeshapiro-1> what do you mean steve?
2008/05/30 [16:19] <+treeshapiro-1> not sure i understand the question.
2008/05/30 [16:20] <@stevegillmor> oh plse steve, ax scoble, wtf?
2008/05/30 [16:20] <+Abierto_cc> what was your reference to scoobey about, tree?
2008/05/30 [16:20] <@TinaGillmor> you said ax scoble above. Steve's trying to figure out what you mean
2008/05/30 [16:20] <+treeshapiro-1> i would have to go back as i'm just knee jerking responding
2008/05/30 [16:21] <+woid> yes, progress, from "bimbos" to "hysterical women"
2008/05/30 [16:21] <+treeshapiro-1> if that is against the rules i will go
2008/05/30 [16:21] <+Abierto_cc> isn't there a thing about separating state and imaginary beings?
2008/05/30 [16:21] <+treeshapiro-1> omg
2008/05/30 [16:22] <+kshep> aren't the main stream clergy doing exactly that? It's just what you might call the "radical fringe" that are kicking up dust this year
2008/05/30 [16:22] <@stevegillmor> rules?
2008/05/30 [16:22] <+treeshapiro-1> no we haven't seen it, we're from the past.
2008/05/30 [16:22] <+kshep> exactly that = same thing they've elways done
2008/05/30 [16:22] <+Abierto_cc> what is this about mccain and a teen-ager?
2008/05/30 [16:23] <+mterenzio> he's smarter than that > he only has votes to gain, not lose.
2008/05/30 [16:23] <+Abierto_cc> short-fuse johnny?
2008/05/30 [16:24] <+Abierto_cc> character?
2008/05/30 [16:24] <+mterenzio> those who aren't voting for Obama now, won't switch
2008/05/30 [16:24] <+treeshapiro-1> shackly
2008/05/30 [16:24] <+mterenzio> but some Obama supporters will turn away if they don't like what he does
2008/05/30 [16:24] <@TinaGillmor> cool Jerry
2008/05/30 [16:24] <+kshep> McCain works the character issue from both the military record side and the Daily Show side
2008/05/30 [16:25] <+mterenzio> wow this is getting hihgh tech
2008/05/30 [16:25] <+treeshapiro-1> true kshep, jon has humanized him
2008/05/30 [16:25] <+Abierto_cc> question is can a vietnam be elected?
2008/05/30 [16:25] <+Abierto_cc> vietnam vet
2008/05/30 [16:25] <+treeshapiro-1> which is not such a good thing imo
2008/05/30 [16:25] <+mterenzio> I feel like I'm on Fox news with all the animation
2008/05/30 [16:26] <+kshep> they think that now, because the general hasn't started yet
2008/05/30 [16:26] <+kshep> nobody's really emphatically pointing out the policy differences yet
2008/05/30 [16:26] <+jcposner> http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/20/scorned-on-issues-gop-tries-to-manufacture-character-gap/
2008/05/30 [16:26] <+woid> it'll drip slowly, given the media filter
2008/05/30 [16:27] <+woid> veeeerrrrrry sloooooowwwwwly
2008/05/30 [16:27] <+treeshapiro-1> is this gg or gn? i'm confused.
2008/05/30 [16:27] <+Abierto_cc> gn
2008/05/30 [16:27] <+kshep> Everybody thought Iraq was going to be the #1 issue until the economy stepped up. Similarly character is the #1 issue until the general ramps up and they start talking issues.
2008/05/30 [16:27] <+Abierto_cc> gg to follow?
2008/05/30 [16:27] <+kshep> ng
2008/05/30 [16:27] <+kshep> GG was at 10:35 with the FriendFeed guys, A.
2008/05/30 [16:28] <+treeshapiro-1> no, that was gn, this says gg, am i right theagent?
2008/05/30 [16:28] <+treeshapiro-1> jerry?
2008/05/30 [16:28] <Charbax2> I think Gillmor is going to be surprised when Hillary get's +200 delegates tomorrow for Michigan and Florida
2008/05/30 [16:29] <+treeshapiro-1> good answer
2008/05/30 [16:29] <+kshep> 10:45 this morning was Gillmor Gang with FriendFeed. It's 1:29 here in CA, and we're half an hour in to New Gang.
032008/05/30 [16:29] * afk_theagent changes topic to 'NewsGang Live @ 1:00 PDT'
2008/05/30 [16:29] <+treeshapiro-1> so there's Another gg after this?
2008/05/30 [16:29] <+kshep> don't think so
2008/05/30 [16:30] <+woid> and they will
2008/05/30 [16:30] <Charbax2> Is Obama another Kerry?
2008/05/30 [16:30] <+woid> they try to pin otherness on him, which just might work
2008/05/30 [16:30] <+woid> he's somehow unamerican
2008/05/30 [16:31] <Charbax2> Obama is kind of boring and not very convincing at debates
2008/05/30 [16:31] <+hardaway-1> I think you are right, Charbax.
2008/05/30 [16:31] <+kshep> and louder, which helps :-)
2008/05/30 [16:32] <+Abierto_cc> turn down the gain on Karoli
2008/05/30 [16:32] <+kshep> if only track were up
2008/05/30 [16:32] <+kshep> they'd understand
2008/05/30 [16:32] <+treeshapiro-1> uncomfortable laughter
2008/05/30 [16:32] <+treeshapiro-1> rebel
2008/05/30 [16:32] <Charbax2> I wonder if Hillary Clinton will take Barack Obama for vice president
2008/05/30 [16:32] <+woid> you don't consider them character things?
2008/05/30 [16:33] <+treeshapiro-1> radical black, pls.
2008/05/30 [16:33] <+Abierto_cc> who's this Resko guy and how will it hurt him?
2008/05/30 [16:33] <+woid> all they need to do is convince a percentage of idiots out there
2008/05/30 [16:33] <+woid> and get close enough to let voting fraud make the rest of the difference
2008/05/30 [16:34] <+jcposner> low battery had to drop
2008/05/30 [16:34] <+treeshapiro-1> one dollar one vote
2008/05/30 [16:34] <+Abierto_cc> appeal to the white majority's inner Appalachian
2008/05/30 [16:34] <+Abierto_cc> gonna happen
2008/05/30 [16:34] <Charbax2> Yup Obama won the red states
2008/05/30 [16:34] <+treeshapiro-1> where are these statistics coming from southern man?
2008/05/30 [16:35] <Charbax2> But Democrats need the blue states. If republicans win a blue state, then democrats can't win
2008/05/30 [16:35] <+Abierto_cc> seriously look at the polls at 538.com
2008/05/30 [16:35] <+treeshapiro-1> tennessee tuxedo?
2008/05/30 [16:35] <+Abierto_cc> http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
2008/05/30 [16:35] <+Abierto_cc> tennessee stud
2008/05/30 [16:35] <+treeshapiro-1> shacktly
2008/05/30 [16:35] <+Abierto_cc> and that ain't poker
2008/05/30 [16:35] <+woid> this isn't between obama & mccain... it's obama vs. mccain & the media
2008/05/30 [16:35] <+treeshapiro-1> poke
2008/05/30 [16:35] <+Abierto_cc> her
2008/05/30 [16:35] <+treeshapiro-1> yeah right
2008/05/30 [16:36] <Charbax2> Clint/Obama would be the best ticket
2008/05/30 [16:36] <+Abierto_cc> Obama/Edwards would be best
2008/05/30 [16:36] <+kshep> like I've always said... use up the oil quick and we won't have to worry about it anymore
2008/05/30 [16:36] <+woid> as soon as negatives are "out there" the media will debate them as if they've valid
2008/05/30 [16:36] <+jcposner> same her crazy gas prices in Austin
2008/05/30 [16:36] <+jcposner> 79 bucks
2008/05/30 [16:36] <Charbax2> Obama has most of the media vs. Clinton
2008/05/30 [16:36] <+Abierto_cc> when is occidental going to drill the galapagos?
2008/05/30 [16:36] <+treeshapiro-1> i'd buy that for a dollar
2008/05/30 [16:37] <+Abierto_cc> door number three bob
2008/05/30 [16:37] <+treeshapiro-1> this is all a freud
2008/05/30 [16:37] <+kshep> nobody has read it
2008/05/30 [16:37] <+woid> ah, a fraudian slip
2008/05/30 [16:37] <+treeshapiro-1> speak up k-roll we can hardly hear you
2008/05/30 [16:37] <+treeshapiro-1> ahem
2008/05/30 [16:38] <+kshep> Amazon: "Order it now. In stock on June 9, 2008"
2008/05/30 [16:38] <+treeshapiro-1> my ears! my ears! the children!
2008/05/30 [16:38] <+Abierto_cc> me neither
2008/05/30 [16:38] <+treeshapiro-1> tanked
2008/05/30 [16:38] <+Abierto_cc> we need a new FDR era, big govt choking big biz
2008/05/30 [16:38] <+treeshapiro-1> he's got some moves
2008/05/30 [16:38] <+treeshapiro-1> but they ain't right
2008/05/30 [16:39] <+woid> mccainis liberal??
2008/05/30 [16:39] <+mterenzio> obama is a conservative dem
2008/05/30 [16:39] <+kshep> relatively
2008/05/30 [16:39] <+mterenzio> everyone is middle of the road
2008/05/30 [16:39] <+woid> he voted 100% with the bushies this year, 95% last year
2008/05/30 [16:39] <+treeshapiro-1> clowns to the left of me...
2008/05/30 [16:39] <+Abierto_cc> this whole election will be about subtext
2008/05/30 [16:39] <Charbax2> McCain is stronger then Obama, it's a question of experience and trust, people don't vote for politics anymore
2008/05/30 [16:39] <+woid> elephant <censored> to the right of me...
2008/05/30 [16:40] <ustreamer-94357> keating 5 is great experiance
2008/05/30 [16:40] <+treeshapiro-1> tell us capote
2008/05/30 [16:40] <+kshep> It's a bell curve thing: if somebody will vote for you as long as your views are less than X different than yours, you'll get the most voters if you're at the middle of the curve
2008/05/30 [16:40] <+mterenzio> Mcain is like FriendFeed at best compared to Obama as Twitter
2008/05/30 [16:40] <+Abierto_cc> all the wink-wink nudge-nudge from the american pulpits will send McCain over the top
2008/05/30 [16:40] <+treeshapiro-1> everything is broke
2008/05/30 [16:41] <+treeshapiro-1> but i hate you kind of
2008/05/30 [16:41] <+kshep> it's a race to the middle to grab the "normal" voters
2008/05/30 [16:41] <+treeshapiro-1> oh plse
2008/05/30 [16:41] <+mterenzio> We need to clone Obama
2008/05/30 [16:41] <+treeshapiro-1> i hate you
2008/05/30 [16:41] <+mterenzio> and get XMPP
2008/05/30 [16:41] <+Abierto_cc> my peole will wash your people's windows
2008/05/30 [16:41] <+woid> wow, the handful of people on here really have an insight into the other half a billion
2008/05/30 [16:41] <+treeshapiro-1> things have changed
2008/05/30 [16:42] <+woid> </sarcasm>
2008/05/30 [16:42] <Charbax2> Most people don't have brains
2008/05/30 [16:42] <+mterenzio> weird crowd in the chat room today
2008/05/30 [16:42] <+treeshapiro-1> how wld you know gated communitor?
2008/05/30 [16:42] <+treeshapiro-1> maybe you should yell louder
2008/05/30 [16:42] <+Abierto_cc> I hope the silly valley libertarians convince ron paul to run fo r it!
2008/05/30 [16:42] <+kshep> BOB BARR!!
2008/05/30 [16:42] <+kshep> whooho
2008/05/30 [16:42] <+kshep> lol
2008/05/30 [16:42] <+woid> your asthma?
2008/05/30 [16:43] <Charbax2> The question is who would you trust more to take care of your kids
2008/05/30 [16:43] <+treeshapiro-1> that's scoble's fault
2008/05/30 [16:43] <+mterenzio> Steve is wearing a collector item Google Tee
2008/05/30 [16:43] <+mterenzio> sell it on Ebay
2008/05/30 [16:43] <+treeshapiro-1> w00t
2008/05/30 [16:43] <+Abierto_cc> yes!
2008/05/30 [16:43] <+Abierto_cc> everybody has one!
2008/05/30 [16:44] <+treeshapiro-1> feel free.
2008/05/30 [16:44] <+mterenzio> That tee shirt will rank up there with Steve's Apple Beatles albums some day
2008/05/30 [16:44] <+Abierto_cc> I feel cheap
2008/05/30 [16:44] <+treeshapiro-1> i feel like a ho
2008/05/30 [16:45] <+treeshapiro-1> i call in all the time
2008/05/30 [16:45] <+treeshapiro-1> but i respect your space, man.
2008/05/30 [16:46] <+treeshapiro-1> i mind
2008/05/30 [16:46] <+Abierto_cc> a bit uncivil perhaps
2008/05/30 [16:46] <+Abierto_cc> mean?
2008/05/30 [16:47] <+treeshapiro-1> got to replug
2008/05/30 [16:47] <+mterenzio> Jaiii Kurru Deeeeeeva.. .ohhh nothin 's gonna change my world
2008/05/30 [16:47] <+Abierto_cc> nothin's gonna change my world
2008/05/30 [16:47] <Charbax2> Does some work for the Obama campaign?
2008/05/30 [16:48] <+kshep> tahnk you for that, Steve
2008/05/30 [16:48] <+kshep> thank you even
2008/05/30 [16:48] <+Abierto_cc> wish I'd been here for the gang
2008/05/30 [16:49] <+mterenzio> on that note
2008/05/30 [16:49] <Charbax2> Hillary will introduce a new kind of democratic internet
2008/05/30 [16:49] <+kshep> where's the kumbaya graphic? :-)
2008/05/30 [16:49] <+mterenzio> i'll be leaving and have a good weekend everyone and Steve and Tina
2008/05/30 [16:50] <Charbax2> Twitter hehe
2008/05/30 [16:50] <+Abierto_cc> http://publius.cc/2008/05/14/wendy-seltzer-learning-to-love-the-rules/
2008/05/30 [16:50] <+jromeh> had xmpp, but no track here
2008/05/30 [16:50] <+kshep> is it just me, or are they down right now?
2008/05/30 [16:51] <+mterenzio> I can't take it.
2008/05/30 [16:51] <+Abierto_cc> they've been pinging me for an api password all afternoon
2008/05/30 [16:51] <+shareme> twitter down again
2008/05/30 [16:51] <+mterenzio> really tough to test a client without it as well
2008/05/30 [16:51] <ustreamer-94357> i'm getting errors from theri website
2008/05/30 [16:51] <Charbax2> ustream down as well
2008/05/30 [16:51] <+jromeh> and when it was there, it was intermittent, spitting once in a while, but not listening
2008/05/30 [16:51] <Charbax2> the whole internet is down
2008/05/30 [16:51] <+kshep> "Twitter is over capacity."
2008/05/30 [16:51] <+mterenzio> Even Twhirl isn't working for me
2008/05/30 [16:52] <+Abierto_cc> net-code-monkeys in the background working out multicast possibilities
2008/05/30 [16:52] <+mterenzio> this is better than "the brotherhood of life electric light show"
2008/05/30 [16:52] <+Abierto_cc> treesh, are you here in two instances?
2008/05/30 [16:53] <+BruceLerner> I haven't seen ustream before. Nice effects Jerry.
2008/05/30 [16:53] <Charbax2> "the brotherhood of twitter and obama"
2008/05/30 [16:53] <+BruceLerner> (Actually never during a show)
2008/05/30 [16:53] <+jromeh> ev @gapingvoid yes, we CAN. i can't give a date
2008/05/30 [16:53] <+treeshapiro-1> i'm back, rest assured. had to reconnect on this french dsl aka asdsl, i can't believe it's not dial up.
2008/05/30 [16:53] <+hardaway-1> The dogs and I have been streaming for ourselves at channel/stealthmode
2008/05/30 [16:54] <+mterenzio> If this gets any better I think we;'ll need pasnavision
2008/05/30 [16:54] <Charbax2> Jaiku is going to relaunch soon and replace the twitter
2008/05/30 [16:54] <+Abierto_cc> jabber th ehut
2008/05/30 [16:54] <+hardaway-1> We don't mind not having any viewers
2008/05/30 [16:54] <+treeshapiro-1> whoa, with the graphics
2008/05/30 [16:54] <+Abierto_cc> well, it is all scoble's fault
2008/05/30 [16:54] <+treeshapiro-1> hello
2008/05/30 [16:54] <+woid> hello
2008/05/30 [16:54] <+hardaway-1> I went to Jaiku yesterday
2008/05/30 [16:54] <+kshep> hello
2008/05/30 [16:54] <+mterenzio> I tyhink we should bring this to IMAX theatres
2008/05/30 [16:54] <+kshep> no
2008/05/30 [16:54] <+kshep> we're still here
2008/05/30 [16:55] <+woid> markman
2008/05/30 [16:55] <+treeshapiro-1> yeah whtever
2008/05/30 [16:55] <+jromeh> @gapingvoid @ev @biz WHY twitter is broken doesn't interest me. I wanna know, CAN you fix it, and if so, WHEN BY? Just curious...
2008/05/30 [16:55] <@TinaGillmor> terenzio ;-)
2008/05/30 [16:55] <+mterenzio> I offered to buy Steve dinner if it wasn't back in three days and it looks like I could lose
2008/05/30 [16:55] <+jcposner> Did the FriendFeed guys talk about the twitter outages
2008/05/30 [16:55] <Charbax2> charge people for XMPP per GB over a certain usage limit
2008/05/30 [16:55] <+treeshapiro-1> wtf are you asking gaping void?
2008/05/30 [16:55] <+treeshapiro-1> are you insane?
2008/05/30 [16:56] <+shareme> people I asw one compnay advertizing a php script twitter core clone
2008/05/30 [16:56] <+kshep> it was gapingvoid asking ev and biz
2008/05/30 [16:56] <+kshep> ev's reply was "yes, we CAN. i can't give a date'
2008/05/30 [16:56] <+jcposner> I wonder how it effects ff when twitter is down
2008/05/30 [16:56] <+jromeh> thx kshep
2008/05/30 [16:56] <Charbax2> Make a twitter clone based on Python and go install it on Google Apps
2008/05/30 [16:56] <+treeshapiro-1> oh. sorry. unconfirmed rumor: i might be moving to #montana soon.
2008/05/30 [16:56] <+kshep> but that's how the system works, you track by keyword
2008/05/30 [16:56] <+jcposner> there is no gtalk for gg
2008/05/30 [16:57] <+treeshapiro-1> i track 51
2008/05/30 [16:57] <+jcposner> no gtalk fro ff
2008/05/30 [16:57] <+jcposner> no track for ff
2008/05/30 [16:57] <+jcposner> no block for ff
2008/05/30 [16:58] <+treeshapiro-1> that whale scoble graphic was classic, you have to admit
2008/05/30 [16:58] <+jromeh> how can comcastcares do its thing w/o track?
2008/05/30 [16:58] <Charbax2> hehe, the Clinton people are going to Twitter from the white house
2008/05/30 [16:59] <+treeshapiro-1> #Alpine bubble, boobelah
2008/05/30 [17:00] <+treeshapiro-1> jason korman on it?
2008/05/30 [17:00] <+kshep> how much better can they be at saying "we're down, we're working onit, we don't know when it'll be back"
2008/05/30 [17:00] <+treeshapiro-1> agreed, what more can they do, at least they're honest
2008/05/30 [17:01] <+treeshapiro-1> time is money
2008/05/30 [17:01] <+kshep> "John just closed bugs #254, #54 and we kicked of a full regression test"
2008/05/30 [17:01] <+treeshapiro-1> i need to know what tara is throwing down, NOW
2008/05/30 [17:01] <+kshep> "Fred is going to lunch."
2008/05/30 [17:02] <+kshep> they should add an SVN checkin hook that posts to twitter
2008/05/30 [17:02] <+hardaway-1> They could Twitter what their current take is on why it's down
2008/05/30 [17:02] <+treeshapiro-1> seen
2008/05/30 [17:02] <Charbax2> I don't understand twitter, why don't they just add some stuff combine RSS to Jabber or IRC or something
2008/05/30 [17:02] <+treeshapiro-1> how you say baseball?
2008/05/30 [17:03] <+treeshapiro-1> what?
2008/05/30 [17:03] <+treeshapiro-1> darth vader?
2008/05/30 [17:04] <+treeshapiro-1> do you wear white shoes after labour day?
2008/05/30 [17:04] <+kshep> how can you be a web 2.0 company with no web UI?
2008/05/30 [17:04] <+kshep> they got rid of the 'back' button for jeezes sake
2008/05/30 [17:04] <+shareme> ask yahoo?
2008/05/30 [17:05] <+treeshapiro-1> triple dipping? why is that sounding so gross to me?
2008/05/30 [17:05] <+shareme> I go tmy back button :)
2008/05/30 [17:06] <+treeshapiro-1> track.
2008/05/30 [17:06] <+kshep> they're not going to force their users to go off and use a third party tool
2008/05/30 [17:06] <+kshep> would be a really odd strategy
2008/05/30 [17:06] <+kshep> they're racing the clock
2008/05/30 [17:06] <+treeshapiro-1> sam beckett says if you don' want to walk in a circle, try to walk in a circle.
2008/05/30 [17:07] <+kshep> they're certainly losing users, but as long as they stay over some critical mas, they're fine
2008/05/30 [17:07] <+kshep> tell that to Jaiku
2008/05/30 [17:07] <+shareme> not easy ask Jaiku
2008/05/30 [17:07] <+kshep> but there's nobody there
2008/05/30 [17:07] <+kshep> that's why it's hard to get users
2008/05/30 [17:08] <+treeshapiro-1> who is talking? plse let me know so i can focus my hatred?
2008/05/30 [17:08] <+kshep> it's called a "Network Effect"
2008/05/30 [17:08] <+kshep> :-)
2008/05/30 [17:08] <+treeshapiro-1> social graft
2008/05/30 [17:08] <+treeshapiro-1> who is talking to steve, the southern guy?
2008/05/30 [17:09] <+treeshapiro-1> i must know.
2008/05/30 [17:09] <+kshep> That's Michael talking right now
2008/05/30 [17:09] <+kshep> I think
2008/05/30 [17:09] <+kshep> Mickeleh
2008/05/30 [17:09] <+kshep> It's Rob making the case that it's easy to get users
2008/05/30 [17:09] <+treeshapiro-1> no, he's cool. i'm talking about that southern talking guy.
2008/05/30 [17:10] <ustreamer-81545> i agree facebook is work - to much to do there
2008/05/30 [17:10] <+treeshapiro-1> oh; plse speak up, we can hardly hear you...
2008/05/30 [17:10] <ustreamer-81545> also, facebook knows too much about me - like google
2008/05/30 [17:10] <+treeshapiro-1> plse turn her DOWN
2008/05/30 [17:11] <ustreamer-81545> what is the point in auto following. it just makes others feel a little bit happy
2008/05/30 [17:11] <ustreamer-81545> it serves no value
2008/05/30 [17:11] <+kshep> http://twitterratio.com/
2008/05/30 [17:12] <+treeshapiro-1> thank you deeprak
2008/05/30 [17:12] <+treeshapiro-1> this guy, who is this guy?
2008/05/30 [17:13] <+kshep> you talking about Francine, tree?
2008/05/30 [17:13] <+Mickeleh> quietly dropping offf and fading into the sunset
2008/05/30 [17:13] <+treeshapiro-1> no, the southern guy
2008/05/30 [17:13] <+treeshapiro-1> i must know who he is
2008/05/30 [17:13] <+treeshapiro-1> francine i know
2008/05/30 [17:14] <+kshep> Bruce Lerner?
2008/05/30 [17:14] <+treeshapiro-1> is he southern?
2008/05/30 [17:14] <+kshep> no idea
2008/05/30 [17:14] <+treeshapiro-1> faggy voice? no offence.
2008/05/30 [17:15] <+treeshapiro-1> no parties for steve
2008/05/30 [17:15] <+treeshapiro-1> him
2008/05/30 [17:15] <+treeshapiro-1> yes
2008/05/30 [17:15] <+treeshapiro-1> gosh my goodness
2008/05/30 [17:16] <+treeshapiro-1> yeah do that
2008/05/30 [17:16] <+treeshapiro-1> oh steve you lie
2008/05/30 [17:16] <+woid> the first bad sinatra film?
2008/05/30 [17:16] <+treeshapiro-1> me?
2008/05/30 [17:17] <+jromeh> that's someone else woid asking about what it is
2008/05/30 [17:17] <+treeshapiro-1> you calling me old?
2008/05/30 [17:17] <+woid> the enormous 21 person audience
2008/05/30 [17:17] <+woid> 20
2008/05/30 [17:17] <+kshep> 22
2008/05/30 [17:17] <+jromeh> you can find the bad sinatra films on the media tab at newsgang.net
2008/05/30 [17:17] <+treeshapiro-1> chill winston.
2008/05/30 [17:18] <+woid> woof
2008/05/30 [17:18] <+treeshapiro-1> foos ball
2008/05/30 [17:19] <+kshep> bad sinatra. heh
2008/05/30 [17:19] <ustreamer-44907> i miss the FF people?
2008/05/30 [17:19] <+shareme> did not know that
2008/05/30 [17:20] <@TinaGillmor> ----end of NGL show marker May 30, 2008 -----
2008/05/30 [17:20] <+shareme> sinatra bad?
2008/05/30 [17:20] <+treeshapiro-1> theagent, i see you but i don't hear you.
2008/05/30 [17:20] <+shareme> since when?
2008/05/30 [17:21] <+Charbax> theagent, how are you going to do that internet recommendations engine?
2008/05/30 [17:21] <ustreamer-44907> LOL
2008/05/30 [17:21] <+treeshapiro-1> was it something i said; oh there you are
2008/05/30 [17:21] <ustreamer-44907> that would be why
2008/05/30 [17:21] <+treeshapiro-1> cool
2008/05/30 [17:21] <+Charbax> what's the algorithm?
2008/05/30 [17:21] <+treeshapiro-1> yout taking requests?
2008/05/30 [17:21] <@afk_theagent> bayessian
2008/05/30 [17:21] <@afk_theagent> and a bunch of others
2008/05/30 [17:21] <ustreamer-44907> play that funky music white boy
032008/05/30 [17:21] * afk_theagent is now known as theagent
2008/05/30 [17:21] <+treeshapiro-1> loving this one
2008/05/30 [17:22] <+kshep> Jerry, is that you in the BAd Sinatra video with Mark Benioff?
2008/05/30 [17:22] <+kshep> on the call when STeve comes in with the camera?
2008/05/30 [17:22] <+Charbax> is this jewish or is it gypsy? or gypsy jew?
2008/05/30 [17:22] <@theagent> don't think so
2008/05/30 [17:22] <ustreamer-44907> is jewish a genre of music?
2008/05/30 [17:22] <@theagent> I do know Mark but when he was skinny and working for Ellison ;-)
2008/05/30 [17:23] <+treeshapiro-1> i'm calling godwins right now
2008/05/30 [17:23] <+jromeh> hey, maryhodder, hello! haven't seen you here before
2008/05/30 [17:23] <+treeshapiro-1> ooh, nice transition.
2008/05/30 [17:24] <+Charbax> Is it creative commons music you have the right to broadcast?
2008/05/30 [17:24] <+jromeh> it's too late, she's gone
2008/05/30 [17:24] <@theagent> its a simulcast from KCRW
2008/05/30 [17:24] <+treeshapiro-1> is that chris?
2008/05/30 [17:24] <+jromeh> it was the devotchka
2008/05/30 [17:25] <+treeshapiro-1> derrida?
2008/05/30 [17:25] <+Charbax> Gypsy music
2008/05/30 [17:25] <+jromeh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeVotchKa
2008/05/30 [17:25] <@TinaGillmor> Jerry are you trying to catch the flying pig?
2008/05/30 [17:25] <+treeshapiro-1> she favours the periwinkle blue
2008/05/30 [17:25] <@theagent> I love that flying pig
2008/05/30 [17:26] <@theagent> it is the perfect mascot for NewsGang
2008/05/30 [17:26] <@TinaGillmor> it is cute
2008/05/30 [17:26] <+shareme> Duke Tomatoe had a song..If Pigs flew up toheaven..
2008/05/30 [17:26] <+jromeh> with current setup, seems to be farting in your general direction
2008/05/30 [17:26] <@theagent> OpenSolaris is a trip.... running it on EC2 right now
2008/05/30 [17:26] <+Charbax> Tomorrows DNC meeting is going to be a bit like the 2000 revote thing we could also follow live on Cspan and the like
2008/05/30 [17:26] <+Charbax> Not much happened on the Internet since then actually. Other then perhaps Twitter and flash embedded videos
2008/05/30 [17:27] <@theagent> glad I got the motion graphics worked out
2008/05/30 [17:27] <+shareme> I played with it..soem commands are different form Linux
2008/05/30 [17:27] <+shareme> bu tnot by much
2008/05/30 [17:27] <@theagent> It's just been quite some time since i touched solaris
2008/05/30 [17:27] <+shareme> me too about 10 years :)
2008/05/30 [17:28] <@theagent> but I love the fact they bundled Glassfish and MySQL together in this image
2008/05/30 [17:28] <+treeshapiro-1> how annoying is her voice?
2008/05/30 [17:28] <+Charbax> I have an olpc laptop, Hillary is going to give an OLPC to every child in the world
2008/05/30 [17:28] <+shareme> thats always nice to have a bundled stack
2008/05/30 [17:29] <+treeshapiro-1> ahhhhhhh.
2008/05/30 [17:29] <+tjgillies> wow theres two of you now
2008/05/30 [17:29] <+shareme> I wonder how one gets gstream to work on OpenSolaris
2008/05/30 [17:29] <+Charbax> ahhhh it's ok
2008/05/30 [17:29] <+treeshapiro-1> jah wobble on bass
2008/05/30 [17:29] <@theagent> playing with ideas on how to get steve streamed for recording purposes
2008/05/30 [17:29] <@theagent> flash layers don't record
2008/05/30 [17:30] <@theagent> so using my switcher
2008/05/30 [17:30] <+Charbax> Did you try mogulus?
2008/05/30 [17:30] <+treeshapiro-1> use mpeg streamclip
2008/05/30 [17:31] <+treeshapiro-1> are you on a mac?
2008/05/30 [17:31] <+shareme> Nice that OpenSolaris now has bash instead of korn shell
2008/05/30 [17:31] <@theagent> yes
2008/05/30 [17:31] <+shareme> I hated korn
2008/05/30 [17:31] <+treeshapiro-1> that'll do it. and it's free
2008/05/30 [17:32] <+treeshapiro-1> or you can go the long route through snapz pro, but it's a pain in the <censored>.
2008/05/30 [17:32] <+Charbax> when are you going to hit the ball out of the park?
2008/05/30 [17:33] <@theagent> I'm hoping to get to first base sometime in July
2008/05/30 [17:33] <@theagent> out of the park will be a bit longer
2008/05/30 [17:35] <+treeshapiro-1> or just ichat the whole thing as it's going on or imovie with isight as the default.
2008/05/30 [17:36] <@theagent> yeah.. biggest issue is getting it into the switcher software....
2008/05/30 [17:36] <@theagent> so I need something that mimics a cam driver but pulls from a stream
2008/05/30 [17:36] <@theagent> so it registers itself as a cam
2008/05/30 [17:36] <@theagent> then I could pull it some pretty cool <censored>
2008/05/30 [17:37] <+treeshapiro-1> well there is much to choose from. obviously you are using ff?
2008/05/30 [17:37] <+tjgillies> i like cool censors
2008/05/30 [17:38] <+tjgillies> whats FF? i heard its kinda like twitter but not as good
2008/05/30 [17:38] <+treeshapiro-1> i sometimes use my iriver to record the vocal at the same time as i'm recording video, just in case one of them <censored> up.
2008/05/30 [17:38] <+treeshapiro-1> no, i meant fire fox
2008/05/30 [17:38] <+tjgillies> oh heh
2008/05/30 [17:38] <+tjgillies> n/m
2008/05/30 [17:38] <+tjgillies> i like american music...
2008/05/30 [17:38] <@theagent> yeah.. we have audio redundancy recording
2008/05/30 [17:39] <+treeshapiro-1> i also use snap pro X, but it's too laborious. always <censored> up.
2008/05/30 [17:40] <+treeshapiro-1> i movie is good if you don't have memory problems, which i do.
2008/05/30 [17:40] <@theagent> maybe I need to talk to the guy that developed camtwist
2008/05/30 [17:40] <@theagent> he should be able to write a plugin
2008/05/30 [17:40] <+treeshapiro-1> i should find out more about that.
2008/05/30 [17:40] <ustreamer-63469> why is theagent looking at the pigbutt?
2008/05/30 [17:41] <+shareme> ham?
2008/05/30 [17:41] <+treeshapiro-1> i just try to use the best, easiest tool for the moment, no big problem. just address the presrent problem.
2008/05/30 [17:42] <+treeshapiro-1> present
2008/05/30 [17:42] <@theagent> well considering Steve sits some several hundred miles away from me...
2008/05/30 [17:42] <@theagent> really would like to get more control on the video
2008/05/30 [17:42] <@theagent> trying to make this even better without the limitations of the uStream feed
2008/05/30 [17:42] <+treeshapiro-1> yeah. no , i can't believe you do what you already do.
2008/05/30 [17:43] <@theagent> it's a nice distraction
2008/05/30 [17:43] <@theagent> wonder if my beer is cold yet
2008/05/30 [17:43] <ustreamer-63469> how about a block of one of the paintings in a tapezoid opposite your video while keeping the cloud/water background going?
2008/05/30 [17:44] <+treeshapiro-1> i think i would probably use the fessebook app if i were to start a pod cast but a vid cast is complicated i imagine
2008/05/30 [17:45] <+tjgillies> beer is good, too bad im at work
2008/05/30 [17:45] <+tjgillies> is it cold?
2008/05/30 [17:45] <@theagent> not cold yet
2008/05/30 [17:45] <@theagent> left over from my b-day party... so they were outside in a giant tub that has long since melted
2008/05/30 [17:46] <@theagent> so into the freezer a couple went
2008/05/30 [17:46] <@TinaGillmor> Jerry - Please chill a beer for me. I really need one....btw happy birthday
2008/05/30 [17:47] <@theagent> thank you... and I owe both of you a few cold ones
2008/05/30 [17:47] <+treeshapiro-1> omg, happy birthday.
2008/05/30 [17:47] <@theagent> b-day was last Sunday... but thank you
2008/05/30 [17:47] <@theagent> I officially started subtracting years a couple years ago
2008/05/30 [17:47] <ustreamer-28705> hey
2008/05/30 [17:48] <+tjgillies> LOL
2008/05/30 [17:48] <+treeshapiro-1> sorrybelated. w ever
2008/05/30 [17:48] <@theagent> thanks!
2008/05/30 [17:48] <+tjgillies> whats the + in front of nick is that like "voiced" on irc?
2008/05/30 [17:48] <@theagent> what is the weather like in Morocco 28705?
2008/05/30 [17:49] <ustreamer-28705> lol
2008/05/30 [17:49] <ustreamer-28705> its a little cold now
2008/05/30 [17:49] <ustreamer-28705> and ther ?
2008/05/30 [17:49] <+treeshapiro-1> no, you must go the french way, which is to add like 15 years on your actual age, so people say: you look fantastic!
2008/05/30 [17:49] <ustreamer-28705> are utalking to me treeshapiro ?
2008/05/30 [17:49] <@theagent> nice and warm...
2008/05/30 [17:50] <@theagent> the jacarandas are in full bloom here
2008/05/30 [17:50] <+treeshapiro-1> i'm talking to whomever. like i know.
2008/05/30 [17:50] <+webtuto> IS THERE ANY MOROCCAN HERE ????????
2008/05/30 [17:50] <+webtuto> well im from morocco and he was talking about morocco
2008/05/30 [17:51] <+treeshapiro-1> are there...
2008/05/30 [17:51] <@theagent> I was talking to you... I can see where you're from...
2008/05/30 [17:51] <@theagent> just think it's funny we have people dialing in from Morocco
2008/05/30 [17:51] <+webtuto> oh frm my ip right ?
2008/05/30 [17:51] <+treeshapiro-1> you gotta break the rules to beat the game,
2008/05/30 [17:51] <+webtuto> well ppl from morocco are into computers alot
2008/05/30 [17:52] <@theagent> at least if your not using an anonymizer
2008/05/30 [17:52] <+treeshapiro-1> a lot
2008/05/30 [17:52] <@theagent> like Tor
2008/05/30 [17:52] <+treeshapiro-1> onion
2008/05/30 [17:52] <+webtuto> nope , im from morocco for real
2008/05/30 [17:52] <@theagent> yeah.. you and the nigerians ;-)
2008/05/30 [17:52] <+webtuto> my country is far from nigeria
2008/05/30 [17:52] <+webtuto> and we are white not like nigerians
2008/05/30 [17:53] <+treeshapiro-1> nice.
2008/05/30 [17:53] <+shareme> Morrocco tax haven for Brit Musicans
2008/05/30 [17:53] <Charbax2> lots of development outsourcing going on to morocco
2008/05/30 [17:53] <+webtuto> ehah otmorow we gonna add 1hour more than GMT
2008/05/30 [17:53] <+webtuto> bcz they say it will help economising power
2008/05/30 [17:54] <+shareme> What part of Morocco?
2008/05/30 [17:54] <+webtuto> all morocco
2008/05/30 [17:54] <+shareme> ah
2008/05/30 [17:54] <+webtuto> from saturday we gonna add 1hout to our clocks
2008/05/30 [17:54] <@theagent> I was kidding about the nigerian joke
2008/05/30 [17:54] <+webtuto> no problem dude
2008/05/30 [17:54] <+webtuto> nigerians are nice too ^^
2008/05/30 [17:54] <Charbax2> the nigerian government is corrupt
2008/05/30 [17:55] <Charbax2> well so is every other government so I guess it's ok
2008/05/30 [17:55] <+webtuto> sharem wot do u mean by "Morrocco tax haven for Brit Musicans"
2008/05/30 [17:55] <+webtuto> eery governement is corrupted ^^
2008/05/30 [17:55] <+webtuto> do u like making websites ?
2008/05/30 [17:55] <+shareme> Sorry got Moroccco confused with another country
2008/05/30 [17:55] <+webtuto> ^^
2008/05/30 [17:56] <+webtuto> wre in north africa near spain
2008/05/30 [17:56] <+shareme> websites are fun.. new cool trick is to use one page html tiddlywiki
2008/05/30 [17:56] <+webtuto> do u know how to program using PHP ?
2008/05/30 [17:57] <+shareme> yes PHP, java, python, and etc
2008/05/30 [17:57] <+webtuto> ah cool
2008/05/30 [17:57] <+webtuto> is python better than php ?
2008/05/30 [17:57] <+shareme> depends on what you are using it for
2008/05/30 [17:57] <+jromeh> maryhodder visited morroco (marrakech sp?) a while back
2008/05/30 [17:58] <+webtuto> ah i know marakech i go there every summer
2008/05/30 [17:58] <+webtuto> im in a city called agadir , its actualy a touristic city
2008/05/30 [17:58] <+webtuto> a little bit near marakech
2008/05/30 [17:58] <+webtuto> well im making a musical community
2008/05/30 [17:58] <+webtuto> ppl can add songs to their playlist
2008/05/30 [17:58] <+webtuto> and im actually trying to make streaming like this website on ppl profiles
2008/05/30 [17:59] <+jromeh> also surely depends on who you ask ;)
2008/05/30 [17:59] <+webtuto> on who i ask about wot
2008/05/30 [17:59] <+jromeh> php vs. python
2008/05/30 [17:59] <+webtuto> ah yeah well googe is programed using python
2008/05/30 [17:59] <+webtuto> google
2008/05/30 [17:59] <+jromeh> many hate on python for significant white space
2008/05/30 [18:00] <+webtuto> wot white space !
2008/05/30 [18:00] <+webtuto> anyway im learning php
2008/05/30 [18:00] <+jromeh> my buddy just went to work for zend, doing presales for php on i
2008/05/30 [18:01] <+webtuto> he must be lucky
2008/05/30 [18:01] <+webtuto> i got some jobs on net creating dynamic websites
2008/05/30 [18:01] <+jromeh> he evangelized for quite some time from his IT director position
2008/05/30 [18:02] <+jromeh> woah, freakout
2008/05/30 [18:02] <+webtuto> oh why !!
2008/05/30 [18:02] <@theagent> pretty powerful software this guy did....
2008/05/30 [18:03] <+jromeh> reminded of some old music videos from mtv era
2008/05/30 [18:03] <+webtuto> wot software
2008/05/30 [18:03] <@theagent> camtwist
2008/05/30 [18:03] <+webtuto> ah i see
2008/05/30 [18:04] <+webtuto> do u know any idea how to make live streaming in my website ?
2008/05/30 [18:04] <@theagent> just use an existing system like uStream and use embed codes
2008/05/30 [18:05] <+webtuto> byt i want my visitors to habe the ability to make streaming
2008/05/30 [18:05] <+webtuto> not just me
2008/05/30 [18:08] <@theagent> I don't know of any opensource video servers that mimic flash
2008/05/30 [18:08] <+webtuto> ok no problzm
2008/05/30 [18:10] <+webtuto> do u have any good idea for a website ?
2008/05/30 [18:11] <+shareme> lets see red5?
2008/05/30 [18:11] <+tjgillies> go elmo go elmo go
2008/05/30 [18:11] <+tjgillies> my puppets elmo accent
2008/05/30 [18:11] <+shareme> hold on le tme look up the name
2008/05/30 [18:11] <+webtuto> wots red5 ?
2008/05/30 [18:12] <+shareme> T ws right its Red5 opensource flash media server
2008/05/30 [18:12] <+shareme> http://osflash.org/red5
2008/05/30 [18:12] <+webtuto> but i just wanna merge it in my script
2008/05/30 [18:12] <@theagent> just something I never really looked into
2008/05/30 [18:13] <+shareme> the other moe wel lknown one is Laszlo
2008/05/30 [18:13] <+webtuto> thaaaaaanks red5 gonna help me absolutely
2008/05/30 [18:14] <+shareme> laszlo i smore enterpise layering as opposed ot red5
2008/05/30 [18:14] <+webtuto> mmmm yeah
2008/05/30 [18:14] <+tjgillies> worms
2008/05/30 [18:19] <+webtuto> can i programme pages on php inside RED5 pages ?
2008/05/30 [18:20] <+shareme> not sure
2008/05/30 [18:20] <+shareme> probably the toehr way aorund use php page as containter for the flash
2008/05/30 [18:22] <+webtuto> mmm not a problem
2008/05/30 [18:32] <+shareme> jason i son http://www.ustream.tv/channel/jason-calacanis
2008/05/30 [18:33] <+webtuto> wot is in this channel
2008/05/30 [18:36] <@theagent> Jason rejected my cohost request.... LOL
2008/05/30 [18:36] <+shareme> now that is funny
2008/05/30 [18:37] <+shareme> had on in double echo
2008/05/30 [18:37] <@theagent> funny thing is that I can just grab his audio ;-)
2008/05/30 [18:37] <+shareme> you can grab any audio just video needs permission?
2008/05/30 [18:37] <@theagent> not that I want to really watch him
2008/05/30 [18:37] <@theagent> I guess so...
2008/05/30 [18:38] <@theagent> watch this.. I can still do it though
2008/05/30 [18:38] <@theagent> without his permission
2008/05/30 [18:43] <@theagent> and of course he drops off...
2008/05/30 [18:45] <+jromeh> so like audio hijack, but for video
2008/05/30 [18:45] <@theagent> no tricaster here
2008/05/30 [18:46] <@theagent> tell jason I'm doing with him right now
2008/05/30 [18:46] <+jromeh> chroma key - didja see the car keyed in indy 500?
2008/05/30 [18:49] <@theagent> funny as <censored>.. he has no idea I'm doing this
2008/05/30 [18:50] <@theagent> do it all in software
2008/05/30 [18:50] <@theagent> screw the tricaster
2008/05/30 [18:51] <@theagent> still sucks he hasn't figured out how to let us hear both sides of the conversation
2008/05/30 [18:53] <+CandaceHolly-1> Nicely done. There's barely any delay :)
2008/05/30 [18:53] <@theagent> thanks... not that hard to do
2008/05/30 [18:54] <+eperry-1> thanks for the link,
2008/05/30 [19:02] <+shareme> I wonder how mcuh you could dowith gstreamer commands
2008/05/30 [19:05] <+tjgillies> is this gillmor gang?
2008/05/30 [19:05] <@theagent> no..
2008/05/30 [19:06] <+tjgillies> blah dumb friendfeed links heh anyone got the link to that video?
2008/05/30 [19:06] <+tjgillies> hey leo sargebt says he wants more luvz ;)
2008/05/30 [19:06] <+tjgillies> sargent*
2008/05/30 [19:07] <@theagent> leo is actually no on this channel.. check him out on TwitLive
2008/05/30 [19:07] <@theagent> I'm playing games with multistreams
2008/05/30 [19:09] <+tjgillies> its making me register to go to audible :(
2008/05/30 [19:13] <@theagent> he's not counting the number watching this stream ;-)
2008/05/30 [19:15] <+tjgillies> is gillmor on after this?
2008/05/30 [19:15] <@theagent> no.. we're done for the day with Steve
2008/05/30 [19:16] <@theagent> shows are M-Th 1:00 NewsGang & 2:00 GillmorGang
2008/05/30 [19:16] <@theagent> Friday 10:45 GillmorGang and 1:00 NewsGang
2008/05/30 [19:18] <+tjgillies> whats the link? google is not cooporating
2008/05/30 [19:18] <+tjgillies> or do they post it later?
2008/05/30 [19:19] <@theagent> link for what?
2008/05/30 [19:19] <@theagent> gillmorgang.techcrunch.com
2008/05/30 [19:20] <+tjgillies> the gillmor show they did today
2008/05/30 [19:20] <@theagent> all shows are published at that link
2008/05/30 [19:21] <+tjgillies> the show for today isn't posted yet though. thats why im confused
2008/05/30 [19:21] <@theagent> it will be posted in just a bit..
2008/05/30 [19:21] <@theagent> they do post production on the audio
2008/05/30 [19:21] <+tjgillies> ok. that explains it. thanks
2008/05/30 [20:10] <@theagent> bummer Loren was here and I missed him
2008/05/30 [22:45] <+michaelpinto> hey campers!
2008/05/30 [22:45] <@theagent> welcome
2008/05/30 [22:46] <+michaelpinto> what's with hellboy?
2008/05/30 [22:46] <+michaelpinto> so theagent is that you watching TV?
2008/05/30 [22:46] <@theagent> Oh, I'm just laying out for GG and stuff
2008/05/30 [22:47] <@theagent> trying to do some new cool backgrounds and stuff
2008/05/30 [22:47] <@theagent> trying to take the show to the next level
2008/05/30 [22:47] <+michaelpinto> i like your sense of timing during the gang
2008/05/30 [22:47] <@theagent> thanks.. sometimes I'm a bit slow.. and distracted by actual work ;-)
2008/05/30 [22:47] <+michaelpinto> i have no idea how you find the right images so quickly in real time
2008/05/30 [22:48] <@theagent> fast on the keyboard ;-)
2008/05/30 [22:48] <@theagent> and thank god for images.google.com
2008/05/30 [22:48] <+michaelpinto> ah ha! but your sense of humor makes it work
2008/05/30 [22:48] <@theagent> sometimes it's just sheer luck
2008/05/30 [22:48] <@theagent> I am amused what a simple search might dredge up
2008/05/30 [22:49] <+michaelpinto> is that francine hardaway - the one with the doggie?
2008/05/30 [22:49] <@theagent> yes.. that is francine
2008/05/30 [22:49] <+michaelpinto> when are you guys all going to visit NYC?
2008/05/30 [22:50] <@theagent> not quite sure what Steve's travel looks like
2008/05/30 [22:50] <+michaelpinto> so what's the video on the right?
2008/05/30 [22:50] <+michaelpinto> no not visit - I mean move here!
2008/05/30 [22:51] <@theagent> that is the trailer for Hellboy
2008/05/30 [22:51] <@theagent> Hellboy 2
2008/05/30 [22:51] <+michaelpinto> it's hard to be a hellboy!
2008/05/30 [22:51] <+michaelpinto> we need to get you some anime to watch
2008/05/30 [22:52] <+michaelpinto> anyway i'm suppose to be reviewing a pokemon game and I'm here to procrastinate
2008/05/30 [22:52] <@theagent> lol
2008/05/30 [22:52] <+michaelpinto> is hellboy google or microsoft?
2008/05/30 [22:52] <@theagent> lol
2008/05/30 [22:53] <@theagent> my pick would have to be Microsloth
2008/05/30 [22:53] <+michaelpinto> how come steve doesn't use marvel vs. DC analogies?
2008/05/30 [22:53] <+michaelpinto> all the children of the earth!
2008/05/30 [22:53] <@theagent> I stopped trying to figure out what drove Steve a long time ago
2008/05/30 [22:54] <@theagent> especially in the comparison department
2008/05/30 [22:54] <+michaelpinto> if this was the 60s we'd have a hellboy meets the wolfman film
2008/05/30 [22:54] <+michaelpinto> so what happens if i call in?
2008/05/30 [22:55] <@theagent> you just call in and you'd be on the stream
2008/05/30 [22:55] <@theagent> nothing special there
2008/05/30 [22:55] <+michaelpinto> or is that just a placeholder?
2008/05/30 [22:55] <@theagent> you can also just skype
2008/05/30 [22:55] <+michaelpinto> i haven'tinstalled skype on this machine
2008/05/30 [22:55] <@theagent> I really need to test video out on skype for this new setup
2008/05/30 [22:56] <+michaelpinto> i dig your dr who background
2008/05/30 [22:56] <@theagent> thanks.. motion graphics and a bit of filters
2008/05/30 [22:56] <+michaelpinto> why are the other folks in the chatroom so quiet?
2008/05/30 [22:56] <+michaelpinto> * cough *
2008/05/30 [22:56] <+Joffi> I don't know when this stream has ever been so quiet...
2008/05/30 [22:57] <+michaelpinto> ah ha!
2008/05/30 [22:57] <+michaelpinto> very quiet in here
2008/05/30 [22:58] <@theagent> anyone have Skype with video running they can help me test really quick
2008/05/30 [22:58] <@theagent> new alpha software for the switching and stuff
2008/05/30 [22:58] <@theagent> just need 30 seconds or so
2008/05/30 [22:58] <@theagent> skype name is the same as the handle here
2008/05/30 [22:58] <+michaelpinto> very shy audience!
2008/05/30 [22:59] <@theagent> not that big of an audience ;-)
2008/05/30 [22:59] <+Joffi> Sorry, brain is mush today
2008/05/30 [22:59] <+michaelpinto> there are ten of us geeks - one of us should have it
2008/05/30 [23:00] <+Joffi> I have it, don't have cam handy
2008/05/30 [23:00] <@theagent> no worries
2008/05/30 [23:00] <+michaelpinto> i only have a cam on my laptop but no skype
2008/05/30 [23:00] <@theagent> I'll find someone eventually
2008/05/30 [23:01] <+michaelpinto> Dig this magenta!
2008/05/30 [23:02] <+Joffi> you are bored...
2008/05/30 [23:02] <@theagent> yeah.. that's magenta for sure
2008/05/30 [23:02] <+michaelpinto> i'm afraid i'm going to have to get back ta work...
2008/05/30 [23:03] <+michaelpinto> a flock icon!
2008/05/30 [23:04] <+michaelpinto> well campers I'm afraid I'm history here...
2008/05/30 [23:05] <+michaelpinto> peace, love and magic!
2008/05/30 [23:07] <+Joffi> I blame twitter, or Steve, or Scoble, or Friendfeed
Session Close: Sat May 31 00:00:01 2008