NewsGang and Gillmor Gang IRC Transcripts for 02/07/2009

Session Start: Sat Feb 07 00:00:01 2009
Session Ident: #newsgang-live
2009/02/07 [16:00] <@TinaGillmor> coming online for a Gillmor gang show
2009/02/07 [16:03] <+marccanter> I'm here
2009/02/07 [16:03] <@TinaGillmor> Kids inbackground?
2009/02/07 [16:04] <@TinaGillmor> we need less kids in the bakground
2009/02/07 [16:04] <@TinaGillmor> thanks ;-)
2009/02/07 [16:04] <+marccanter> but more in school
2009/02/07 [16:04] <@TinaGillmor> Hi Marc
2009/02/07 [16:04] <@TinaGillmor> tweet link http://www.ustream.tv/channel/newsgang-live
2009/02/07 [16:05] <@TinaGillmor> invite your friends people....
032009/02/07 [16:06] * ustreamer-85929 is now known as mask-5482
2009/02/07 [16:07] <@TinaGillmor> hello anonymous ustreamers.... pls login if you can
2009/02/07 [16:07] <+jimlunsford> just retweeted
2009/02/07 [16:08] <@TinaGillmor> we'd like to see that video outside of facebook
2009/02/07 [16:08] <@TinaGillmor> thanks Jim
2009/02/07 [16:08] <@TinaGillmor> appreciate that
2009/02/07 [16:10] <ustreamer-178> What about FF's use of SUP instead of RSS/ATOM?
2009/02/07 [16:10] <+jimlunsford> One of the best podcasts out there!
2009/02/07 [16:11] <+RonSchott> If Twitter's worth half as much as a week ago it's because Dustin Sallings Twitterspy has been disabled, not because of anything Facebook did.
2009/02/07 [16:11] <mask-5482> So 2-way API is the new open
032009/02/07 [16:12] * ustreamer-178 is now known as coldbrew
2009/02/07 [16:13] <+marccanter> http://www.25hoursaday.com/weblog/2009/02/07/BreakingDownTheWalledGardenSomeThoughtsOnFacebookEmbracingOpenIDAndOpeningUpStatusUpdateAPIs.aspx
2009/02/07 [16:14] <coldbrew> mask, 2-way open API is more open than walled garden.
2009/02/07 [16:14] <coldbrew> get your point though
2009/02/07 [16:15] <@TinaGillmor> on the call: Robert Scoble, MArc Canter, Doc Searls, Andrew Keen, Hugh MacLeod, Steve Gillmor
2009/02/07 [16:15] <+marccanter> two-way A
2009/02/07 [16:15] <+marccanter> two-way APIs are key
2009/02/07 [16:15] <coldbrew> i believe twitter has had a 2-way API since launch
2009/02/07 [16:16] <coldbrew> ~3 yrs ago
2009/02/07 [16:16] <+marccanter> access controls for privacy is what Facebook is providing
2009/02/07 [16:17] <coldbrew> granular access control is key
2009/02/07 [16:18] <+marccanter> OpenID + Facebook = design challenge
2009/02/07 [16:19] <coldbrew> design challenge because one of the components is proprietary
2009/02/07 [16:20] <coldbrew> FB Connect
2009/02/07 [16:20] <@TinaGillmor> follow andrew at ajkeen on twitter just to <censored> him off ;-)
2009/02/07 [16:20] <+marccanter> an integrated experience which combines media storage, status, friending, commenting, external appsa AND privacy controls - is what I'm talking about
2009/02/07 [16:20] <ustreamer-68926> who's talking right now?
2009/02/07 [16:20] <+marccanter> hugh mcloud
2009/02/07 [16:21] <ustreamer-68926> cool - thanks
2009/02/07 [16:21] <+marccanter> mcleod
2009/02/07 [16:21] <ustreamer-14821> sounds muffled
2009/02/07 [16:21] <ustreamer-48744> back away from the mic hugh
2009/02/07 [16:21] <ustreamer-45354> very muffled
2009/02/07 [16:21] <@TinaGillmor> Hugh is speaking through a bunch of baffling covering the microphone?
2009/02/07 [16:22] <ustreamer-48079> my god, it's been nearly a year since i listened and hugh still hasn't learned how to do this?
2009/02/07 [16:22] <ustreamer-14821> why is this site gay pink?
2009/02/07 [16:22] <ustreamer-45354> much better :)
2009/02/07 [16:23] <+marccanter> Facebook is not JUST the feed and commenting
2009/02/07 [16:23] <@TinaGillmor> hmmm... are your colors calibrated correctly? Are mine?
2009/02/07 [16:23] <+marccanter> its an integrated environment
2009/02/07 [16:23] <ustreamer-45354> lol who's stephan fry
2009/02/07 [16:24] <ustreamer-45354> ugh americans lol!
2009/02/07 [16:24] <ustreamer-45354> he's such a clever man!
2009/02/07 [16:24] <+marccanter> didn't he start Fry's?
2009/02/07 [16:24] <ustreamer-14821> some brit dude
2009/02/07 [16:24] <@TinaGillmor> are there any good comedians these days?
2009/02/07 [16:24] <ustreamer-82921> That's bull
2009/02/07 [16:24] <ustreamer-14821> stephan fry is the guy from futurama
2009/02/07 [16:24] <ustreamer-82921> You have no idea who he is
2009/02/07 [16:24] <@TinaGillmor> hey login in people.... we'd love to see your names or some version of them ;-)
2009/02/07 [16:24] <+marccanter> The Rebublican party and Sarah Palin in particular
2009/02/07 [16:24] <coldbrew> If FB's APIs reach the level Canter is claiming 3rd party clients (e.g. Twhirl) will be able to provide the experience Scoble says is missing, no?
2009/02/07 [16:24] <ustreamer-41128> www.BLOUZEFEST.com
2009/02/07 [16:24] <+marccanter> yes
2009/02/07 [16:25] <+marccanter> its an infrastructure issue
2009/02/07 [16:25] <@TinaGillmor> where is Loren btw?
032009/02/07 [16:25] * ustreamer-65215 is now known as DevLano
2009/02/07 [16:25] <+marccanter> to be able to download videos means they'll need an additional 10k servers
2009/02/07 [16:25] <+marccanter> super non-trivial
2009/02/07 [16:25] <ustreamer-59325> kk
2009/02/07 [16:25] <ustreamer-45354> @Tina Gillmor Eddie Izzard Brilliant Comdian!
2009/02/07 [16:26] <ustreamer-41128> He's right!
2009/02/07 [16:26] <ustreamer-41128> www.BLOUZEFEST.COM
2009/02/07 [16:26] <+marccanter> Facebook's ad model is a placeholder - until they launch the real deal
2009/02/07 [16:27] <@TinaGillmor> Eddie Izzard is brillant, I agree
2009/02/07 [16:27] <+marccanter> they've got folks rating ads right now
2009/02/07 [16:27] <coldbrew> sentiment analysis development by FB is under-reported
2009/02/07 [16:27] <@TinaGillmor> tweet link invite your friend PLEEZE http://www.ustream.tv/channel/newsgang-live
2009/02/07 [16:27] <@TinaGillmor> friends
2009/02/07 [16:28] <+jimlunsford> Will they talk about Twitter possibly charging for their API?
2009/02/07 [16:29] <ustreamer-45354> i heard twitter might start charging for they're api's as soon as all these 3rd party apps like tweetdeck get their revenue streams storted
2009/02/07 [16:29] <ustreamer-53063> is the gilmor gang a men's club?
2009/02/07 [16:30] <@TinaGillmor> it's a group of friends who happen to be male
2009/02/07 [16:30] <@TinaGillmor> no more no less
2009/02/07 [16:31] <@TinaGillmor> producer, me, female
2009/02/07 [16:31] <+jimlunsford> especialy the ones that don't show up..
2009/02/07 [16:32] <ustreamer-53063> I'd like to hear some women on panels like these, but glad to know you are producing.
2009/02/07 [16:33] <+kteare> Hi
2009/02/07 [16:33] <coldbrew> the sex of the participants is relevant how?
2009/02/07 [16:33] <ustreamer-53063> diversity.
2009/02/07 [16:33] <coldbrew> pls stay focused
2009/02/07 [16:34] <@TinaGillmor> Hi Keith
2009/02/07 [16:34] <+kteare> howdy :-)
2009/02/07 [16:34] <ustreamer-53063> focused?
2009/02/07 [16:34] <ustreamer-53063> ok
2009/02/07 [16:34] <@TinaGillmor> I hear you 53063 who ever you are
2009/02/07 [16:34] <ustreamer-53063> thanks, tina
2009/02/07 [16:35] <ustreamer-53063> I'm just saying there are very few conversations with women. not saying it's sexism, just a fact. And I'd like to hear an all-female panel- would be a refreshing change.
2009/02/07 [16:35] <@TinaGillmor> thank you for joining Hugh
2009/02/07 [16:36] <coldbrew> Canter is obsessed with Wilsosn
2009/02/07 [16:36] <coldbrew> Wilson
2009/02/07 [16:36] <coldbrew> put it together and i'll listen
2009/02/07 [16:37] <ustreamer-25734> who is on from facebook, twitter or friendfeed (i mean who works there)?
2009/02/07 [16:37] <mask-5482> exactly MicroBlog Search is the key
2009/02/07 [16:37] <coldbrew> nobody
2009/02/07 [16:38] <ustreamer-25734> k bye
2009/02/07 [16:38] <coldbrew> and twitter said no to facebook's offer
2009/02/07 [16:38] <@TinaGillmor> right but this isn't a "panel" show. It literally is a group of friends who happen to be male. I'd like to see what you're talking about also but I think it's a different show. Bring me a sponsor and some interesting women and I'll produce!!! ;-)
2009/02/07 [16:38] <ustreamer-25734> the semi-informed personally motivated pontification of the panel is what matters i think ... the age is probably more relevant than the sex in terms of still being relevant beyond what a few thousand newbies who 'loosely' follow them think
2009/02/07 [16:38] <mask-5482> I think it is a FB tactic to reduce the price of Twitter
2009/02/07 [16:38] <+marccanter> it takes many steps to do what thy're doing
2009/02/07 [16:39] <mask-5482> and accept their offer
2009/02/07 [16:39] <@TinaGillmor> you think these guys age gates them in some way?
2009/02/07 [16:40] <ustreamer-53063> Do you think sponsors would be interested?
2009/02/07 [16:40] <+marccanter> I agree with Doc - there are placeholders
2009/02/07 [16:40] <+marccanter> and there are finished functionality
2009/02/07 [16:40] <coldbrew> ++Searls
2009/02/07 [16:40] <+marccanter> YouTube has done video well
2009/02/07 [16:40] <+jimlunsford> Good analogy Doc
2009/02/07 [16:40] <coldbrew> Jaiku is going open source and Laconi.ca is there already with federation
2009/02/07 [16:40] <+marccanter> FriendFeed is doing aggregating well
2009/02/07 [16:41] <@TinaGillmor> if there is a viable and valuable comminty that comes with it sure
2009/02/07 [16:41] <+marccanter> distributed access controls
2009/02/07 [16:42] <+marccanter> Facebook does centralized access controls
2009/02/07 [16:42] <+marccanter> this is a very hard thing to do
2009/02/07 [16:42] <@TinaGillmor> I've been using FB more again lately. Just started with FF
2009/02/07 [16:42] <ustreamer-46401> ?
2009/02/07 [16:42] <coldbrew> if FB truly opens up, the wrodpress model (with federation) will be made
2009/02/07 [16:42] <coldbrew> wordpress*
2009/02/07 [16:43] <+marccanter> net native has to be
2009/02/07 [16:43] <coldbrew> OpenID + OAuth + ?? = FB Connect?
2009/02/07 [16:43] <+marccanter> I have already apologized for Flash's lock-in
2009/02/07 [16:44] <ustreamer-81862> Adobe AIR is so simple to install.
2009/02/07 [16:44] <@TinaGillmor> hello Jason Calacanis
2009/02/07 [16:44] <@TinaGillmor> greek/korean
2009/02/07 [16:44] <+marccanter> Adobe AIR in Korean will become the new phrase to refer to when we mean lock-in
2009/02/07 [16:45] <@TinaGillmor> Doc is having the Benjamin Button effect
2009/02/07 [16:45] <@TinaGillmor> complain complain
2009/02/07 [16:45] <ustreamer-7364> facebook sucks
2009/02/07 [16:46] <coldbrew> you know what else is easy? using 'nick' to get a non generic name
2009/02/07 [16:46] <+marccanter> http://i.friendfeed.com/74f1a24c0d2f806c99fcd51f6787b28346234f51
2009/02/07 [16:46] <ustreamer-7364> only good for mobile i hate apps
2009/02/07 [16:46] <coldbrew> for this IRC channel
2009/02/07 [16:46] <+marccanter> a heavy Doc
032009/02/07 [16:46] * ustreamer-51128 is now known as andrew-2350
2009/02/07 [16:46] <ustreamer-48744> What's the alternative to FB?
2009/02/07 [16:46] <@TinaGillmor> hey people login....who are you all... would like to see your names...top right login
2009/02/07 [16:46] <ustreamer-81862> nick coldbrew2
2009/02/07 [16:46] <ustreamer-81862> hello?
2009/02/07 [16:46] <ustreamer-81862> nope
2009/02/07 [16:47] <mask-5482> 81862 use /nick
2009/02/07 [16:47] <@TinaGillmor> FB is good for many
2009/02/07 [16:47] <@TinaGillmor> agree with Robert
2009/02/07 [16:47] <coldbrew> me too
2009/02/07 [16:47] <+marccanter> my breakfast http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3443/3261388394_41bb6ffcbd.jpg?v=0
2009/02/07 [16:48] <+BarbaraKB> (wave)
2009/02/07 [16:48] <ustreamer-85687> Twitter is the best part of Facebook - ie status updates - but also supports conversations
2009/02/07 [16:48] <ustreamer-7364> twitter will take over facebook status.......
2009/02/07 [16:48] <@TinaGillmor> more eggs less bean Marc
2009/02/07 [16:48] <+fgustafson> Is there an upcoming alternative to FB?
2009/02/07 [16:48] <coldbrew> the 2 will always remain quite separate for me, always.
2009/02/07 [16:50] <@TinaGillmor> with FF there is more insight into peoples lives at a glance
2009/02/07 [16:50] <@TinaGillmor> I meant FB
2009/02/07 [16:50] <ustreamer-33688> interested that canter hasn't had a fatal heart attack
2009/02/07 [16:51] <ustreamer-33688> soon to come I'm sure
2009/02/07 [16:51] <coldbrew> wtf?
2009/02/07 [16:51] <@TinaGillmor> God forbid
2009/02/07 [16:51] <@TinaGillmor> please
2009/02/07 [16:51] <ustreamer-33688> hah
2009/02/07 [16:52] <ustreamer-33688> no it won't
2009/02/07 [16:52] <+marccanter> ever heard of Lisonpril?
2009/02/07 [16:52] <ustreamer-33688> open api doesn't mean the data isn't still protected
2009/02/07 [16:52] <+marccanter> Metformin?
2009/02/07 [16:52] <+marccanter> the drugs I take aren't just reefer
2009/02/07 [16:52] <ustreamer-33688> facebook still enforces dynamic privacy
2009/02/07 [16:52] <ustreamer-33688> the twitter model is completely open
2009/02/07 [16:52] <ustreamer-33688> it's designed for developers
2009/02/07 [16:52] <ustreamer-33688> to do whatever they like
2009/02/07 [16:53] <ustreamer-54256> FB is becoming useless and full of noise
2009/02/07 [16:53] <+jimlunsford> Facebook is killing the Internet with it's silo. We need to get back to having our own sites. If you want your social site activity on your site pull it via rss.
2009/02/07 [16:53] <ustreamer-18396> are you guys talking about the talk?
2009/02/07 [16:53] <ustreamer-33688> facebook will never be 'open' in the same way facebook is
2009/02/07 [16:53] <ustreamer-33688> their model won't let them
2009/02/07 [16:53] <ustreamer-33688> if you aren't in facebook clicking ads they aren't making money
2009/02/07 [16:53] <ustreamer-18396> what?
2009/02/07 [16:54] <coldbrew> twitter did just implement 20KAPI calls/hr/IPaddress
2009/02/07 [16:54] <andrew-2350> Say again 33688? Facebook will never be as open as Facebook?
2009/02/07 [16:54] <ustreamer-54256> twitter will eventually overtake FB in popularity. too simple not to.
2009/02/07 [16:54] <coldbrew> he meant twitter
2009/02/07 [16:54] <ustreamer-7364> facebook software???????
2009/02/07 [16:54] <ustreamer-33688> facebook IS NOT OPEN
2009/02/07 [16:54] <ustreamer-7364> too slowwww
2009/02/07 [16:54] <ustreamer-33688> give me a break
2009/02/07 [16:54] <ustreamer-33688> how is twitter not "open" right now?
2009/02/07 [16:54] <ustreamer-33688> forget the open stack
2009/02/07 [16:54] <+jimlunsford> that's because they are going to charge for their api colbrew
2009/02/07 [16:54] <mask-5482> going back to the API conversation, Twitter & FB are looking to establish an open model of the App Store
2009/02/07 [16:54] <ustreamer-33688> their API allows you to do everything their website does
2009/02/07 [16:55] <ustreamer-54256> every new widget added in facebook is that much more time waiting for things to load..too painful
2009/02/07 [16:55] <ustreamer-33688> ok i'm out
2009/02/07 [16:55] <ustreamer-33688> canter = pending heart attack
2009/02/07 [16:56] <ustreamer-54256> 1938media = walking heart attack
2009/02/07 [16:56] <ustreamer-33688> ha scoble is nearly out of work
2009/02/07 [16:56] <@TinaGillmor> hmmm
2009/02/07 [16:56] <coldbrew> what about shakeup with Salesforce.com execs?
2009/02/07 [16:56] <ustreamer-33688> that means he'll actually spend time with his family
2009/02/07 [16:56] <ustreamer-33688> as if
2009/02/07 [16:57] <@TinaGillmor> what shake up?
2009/02/07 [16:57] <@TinaGillmor> what's up
2009/02/07 [16:57] <coldbrew> two execs have left SF
2009/02/07 [16:57] <coldbrew> EVP and SVP from enterprise
2009/02/07 [16:57] <@TinaGillmor> ahh
2009/02/07 [16:57] <ustreamer-54256> FB users=tend to be exclusive, Twitter users=tend to be inclusive
2009/02/07 [16:57] <+BarbaraKB> Many friends on Facebook think I'm crazy for keeping up w/Twitter.
2009/02/07 [16:58] <coldbrew> that's how I treat the 2, 54256
2009/02/07 [16:58] <+BarbaraKB> Twitter is open while FB is selective.
2009/02/07 [16:58] <ustreamer-33688> canter
2009/02/07 [16:58] <ustreamer-33688> shut up and go eat some eggs
2009/02/07 [16:58] <coldbrew> focus 33688
2009/02/07 [16:58] <@TinaGillmor> hey be nice 33688
2009/02/07 [16:58] <ustreamer-54256> BarbaraK - your FB friends are limiting their global reach
2009/02/07 [16:58] <coldbrew> no ad hominem
2009/02/07 [16:58] <@TinaGillmor> or you get booted
2009/02/07 [16:59] <coldbrew> my FB friends (aka IRL friends) do not care
2009/02/07 [16:59] <ustreamer-33688> twitter is hyper focused on what YOU want to see
2009/02/07 [16:59] <ustreamer-33688> facebook isn't
2009/02/07 [16:59] <+BarbaraKB> they don't care about global reach. they just wanna keep up with friends.
2009/02/07 [16:59] <@TinaGillmor> this is why I dislike the anonymous status
2009/02/07 [16:59] <coldbrew> my friends want to see pics of their friends, talk to their friends, and "keep up" in general
2009/02/07 [16:59] <ustreamer-54256> BarbaraKB - that
2009/02/07 [16:59] <coldbrew> they are not news junkies
2009/02/07 [16:59] <ustreamer-54256> their loss
2009/02/07 [16:59] <+jimlunsford> agrees tina
2009/02/07 [17:00] <@TinaGillmor> it takes a village folks
2009/02/07 [17:00] <ustreamer-33688> good thing i'm rich
2009/02/07 [17:00] <ustreamer-33688> you poor broke bastards
2009/02/07 [17:00] <@TinaGillmor> for us all to thrive
2009/02/07 [17:00] <mask-5482> Marc, FB "openness" opens the opportunity to develop more apps around "statuses"
2009/02/07 [17:00] <coldbrew> you possess the banhammer
2009/02/07 [17:00] <ustreamer-54256> just cuz someone has a handle doesnt make them -un-anonymous
2009/02/07 [17:00] <coldbrew> and ignore used to work here, not sure anymore
2009/02/07 [17:01] <+BarbaraKB> in fact, most peeps like the closed nature of FB. Can be open there w/out whole world seeing.
2009/02/07 [17:01] <mask-5482> but it does not mean Twitter is going to be hurt, there are different users who prefer Twitter or FB
2009/02/07 [17:01] <ustreamer-54256> the world is small, 'global' and becoming hyper inclusive
2009/02/07 [17:01] <coldbrew> agree Barbara
2009/02/07 [17:01] <@TinaGillmor> understand but if feels a bit more personal and responsible to me
2009/02/07 [17:01] <coldbrew> like me and my 250+, 30 something friends
2009/02/07 [17:01] <ustreamer-54256> limiting your circle of friends, acquaintences, etc does not grow your social network
2009/02/07 [17:02] <+iPlant> jason is right
2009/02/07 [17:02] <ustreamer-33688> why does anyone care what Jason thinks anymore?
2009/02/07 [17:02] <ustreamer-33688> he hasn't done ANYTHING worth mentioning in years
2009/02/07 [17:02] <ustreamer-33688> Mahalo? ha
2009/02/07 [17:02] <coldbrew> @33688, hate much?
2009/02/07 [17:02] <ustreamer-54256> BarbaraKB - most people are on social networks - overgeneralizing
2009/02/07 [17:02] <@TinaGillmor> 33688 if you don't why are you here?
2009/02/07 [17:02] <ustreamer-54256> aren't on that is
2009/02/07 [17:02] <+BarbaraKB> I use both Twitter & FriendFeed and, yes, both are different. Twitter is my human feed of info. Facebook is broad sharing w/closer friends & family.
2009/02/07 [17:02] <ustreamer-81948> moderation is your friend Tina
2009/02/07 [17:03] <ustreamer-33688> it's terrible that Robert Scoble has to spend time with his family and can't try to make out with 17 year Jessica Mah
2009/02/07 [17:03] <+jimlunsford> Because he is knowledgeable of the industry. 33688
2009/02/07 [17:03] <ustreamer-54256> 3rd pary twitter developers will create all the popular apps now used on FB in an open platform
032009/02/07 [17:03] * ustreamer-33688 was kicked by TinaGillmor (TinaGillmor)
2009/02/07 [17:03] <@TinaGillmor> kicked
2009/02/07 [17:04] <mask-5482> thanks Tina
2009/02/07 [17:04] <+BarbaraKB> @tina thanx!
2009/02/07 [17:04] <ustreamer-81948> thx
2009/02/07 [17:04] <+jimlunsford> thanks tina
2009/02/07 [17:04] <@TinaGillmor> sroyy I hate to do it but ...not really
2009/02/07 [17:05] <@TinaGillmor> I hate groove busters...drag
2009/02/07 [17:05] <ustreamer-54256> FB is in danger of collapsing under it's own weight unless it can make enuf $$ to support huge bandwth costs
2009/02/07 [17:06] <coldbrew> FB might be under too much pressure to monetize and fail as a result
2009/02/07 [17:06] <@TinaGillmor> I don't get the feeling that FB will collapse anytime soon
2009/02/07 [17:07] <+jimlunsford> 598000 jobs lost in January.
2009/02/07 [17:07] <ustreamer-54256> agree, foresee Zuckerburg stepping down after 09 if significant rev streams arent discoverd
2009/02/07 [17:07] <@TinaGillmor> we all need to band together, put our resourcefulness together
2009/02/07 [17:07] <+jimlunsford> 598000
2009/02/07 [17:07] <ustreamer-54256> TG - maybe not soon but eventually if they can't cover costs and make profit
2009/02/07 [17:08] <ustreamer-81948> think this is the time when social media demonstrates it's real value
2009/02/07 [17:08] <ustreamer-54256> their burn-rate each mo approacheds hundreds of million$
2009/02/07 [17:08] <@TinaGillmor> huge platform though and the more addiction it can cause the more it can monitize well
2009/02/07 [17:08] <ustreamer-81948> solving real problems like helping people find work
2009/02/07 [17:09] <@TinaGillmor> 81948 how true YEs
2009/02/07 [17:09] <ustreamer-90693> monetization hasnt been proven yet to support biz hence skepticism
2009/02/07 [17:10] <+jimlunsford> Tina I think we need to let the bottom drop out and rethink how the economy works. Total reboot of the system.
2009/02/07 [17:11] <ustreamer-90693> Jim - the bottom is falling out. debt driven growth is over..last 8-10yrs was all a sham
2009/02/07 [17:12] <rchstudio-1> hello you argentina
2009/02/07 [17:12] <+fgustafson> i agree w/ jim
2009/02/07 [17:12] <+jimlunsford> We are not at the bottom yet. Wait 6-8 months and then we will be.
2009/02/07 [17:12] <+DevLano> I could use a loan to refinece a peice of property..
2009/02/07 [17:13] <rchstudio-1> ok
2009/02/07 [17:13] <@TinaGillmor> that's scary that we're not at the bottom yet
2009/02/07 [17:13] <ustreamer-90693> Americans have lived well-beyond their means via easy credit. Now that has been stopped growth will occur via gov't spending
2009/02/07 [17:13] <@TinaGillmor> how many of us can hang on?
2009/02/07 [17:13] <ustreamer-81948> I would love to see companies valued on how many jobs they create
2009/02/07 [17:13] <rchstudio-1> yes
2009/02/07 [17:13] <+BarbaraKB> Thanx, NewsGang. Appreciate your work here. Time for dinner! (wave)
2009/02/07 [17:13] <+jimlunsford> I can and I'm starting two companies.
2009/02/07 [17:14] <@TinaGillmor> thanks for showing up Barbara KB
2009/02/07 [17:14] <@TinaGillmor> actually Gillmor gang today
2009/02/07 [17:14] <+fgustafson> jim, what are you going into?
2009/02/07 [17:14] <@TinaGillmor> 81948 interesting thought on valuation
2009/02/07 [17:15] <+fgustafson> good point
2009/02/07 [17:15] <+DevLano> I've deff gone the self run life
2009/02/07 [17:15] <+jimlunsford> fgustafson - Technology repair and media production.
2009/02/07 [17:15] <+jimlunsford> and consulting on both
2009/02/07 [17:16] <+fgustafson> thinking along those lines - data destruction
2009/02/07 [17:16] <+nicefishfilms> stressful times encourages innovation, flight to quality of ideas/ application, intelligent information connecting in real time. No longer have the soft money to lull is into lethargy. some great minds who have been downsized now can focus on their projects
2009/02/07 [17:16] <@TinaGillmor> wow... the energy to keep talking is very real here
2009/02/07 [17:16] <ustreamer-90693> the problem w/this whole 'recession opens up new opps for entrepreneurs' is that it discounts people w/families and bills to pay
2009/02/07 [17:16] <coldbrew> product companies and services companies are very different beasts
2009/02/07 [17:16] <@TinaGillmor> real time real important
2009/02/07 [17:16] <ustreamer-90693> it's more of a young person's game who has little if no attahments living on a shoestring who can move back in with family if they fail
2009/02/07 [17:16] <+fgustafson> we are going to see some really cool stuff coming out of this downturn
2009/02/07 [17:17] <+nicefishfilms> @TinaGillmor real-time critical
2009/02/07 [17:17] <@TinaGillmor> essential
2009/02/07 [17:17] <@TinaGillmor> must say so great to see a robust chat group today
2009/02/07 [17:17] <@TinaGillmor> share...listen..think
2009/02/07 [17:18] <+fgustafson> thanks guys!
2009/02/07 [17:18] <ustreamer-90693> nicefishfilms- only if they have the 'runway' to work with otherwise lots of great minds fearing for future of families
2009/02/07 [17:18] <+jimlunsford> over already? ah man!
2009/02/07 [17:18] <mask-5482> next time, let's try VRM as a topic with Doc
2009/02/07 [17:18] <+RonSchott> bye
2009/02/07 [17:18] <mask-5482> bye
2009/02/07 [17:19] <@TinaGillmor> really good show people
2009/02/07 [17:19] <+jimlunsford> always
2009/02/07 [17:19] <@TinaGillmor> thanks for being here...participating
2009/02/07 [17:19] <+jimlunsford> I'll try to come by more. This was fun.
2009/02/07 [17:19] <@TinaGillmor> please do Jimlunsford
2009/02/07 [17:20] <+nicefishfilms> @90693, that's why the notion that money will always flow prevented people from being frugal, now for the next short period of time, will be a reminder that furgality will allow us to build longer runways, hurt for those with no-runway, time to scrap together airplane parts and build
2009/02/07 [17:21] <+jimlunsford> stevegillmore - do you think twitter will charge for their api?
2009/02/07 [17:21] <+nicefishfilms> bye all, time to catch the replay.
2009/02/07 [17:22] <@stevegillmor> they already are jim
2009/02/07 [17:22] <+jimlunsford> they are?
2009/02/07 [17:22] <+nicefishfilms> thank you @TinaGillmor you always make me feel welcomed here
2009/02/07 [17:23] <@TinaGillmor> really thanks for being here nicefish
2009/02/07 [17:23] <@TinaGillmor> this is a GREAT community
2009/02/07 [17:24] <+jimlunsford> steve just did a quick Google search and found nothing.
2009/02/07 [17:24] <@TinaGillmor> ok ...need to get rid of my headache and spend some time with the kids
2009/02/07 [17:25] <@stevegillmor> happens all the time jim :>
2009/02/07 [17:25] <+jimlunsford> I see speculation.
2009/02/07 [17:25] <@stevegillmor> they are setting the price by rate limiting jim
2009/02/07 [17:26] <@stevegillmor> they will make deals with "trusted" partners
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