NewsGang and Gillmor Gang IRC Transcripts for 04/10/2008

NewsGang Live 04.10.08

April 11th, 2008 Session Start: Mon Apr 07 16:16:52 2008
Session Ident: #techaura
03[16:16] * Now talking in #techaura 03[16:16] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v ConnectedGeek
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[16:17] <+connectedgeek-1> it keeps breaking up
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[16:20] <@theagent> the audio is breaking up?
01[16:20] <+ConnectedGeek> your ustream is awful
01[16:20] <+ConnectedGeek> try reconnecting
01[16:20] <+ConnectedGeek> i stopped the feed
[16:21] <+amyloo> the new shari lewis
[16:21] <@theagent> is everyone having that problem?
01[16:21] <+ConnectedGeek> i couldn't take it anymore
[16:21] <+Jari_Ra> for me it's quite ok...
[16:22] <@TinaGillmor> I think we're hearing some wind where Steve is
[16:22] <+amyloo> try not to like 1938 but gotta admit the puppets make me laugh out out
[16:23] <+amyloo> it's listenable for me
01[16:23] <+ConnectedGeek> ok... it is probably me (ie http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/)
[16:24] <+amyloo> what ending?
[16:24] <+amyloo> EDGAR BERGEN
[16:25] <+amyloo> the cia codenamed <censored> cheney "edgar"
[16:25] <ustreamer-83432> ask steve what he thinks of Dylan winning th Pulitzer
[16:28] <+amyloo> pity
[16:29] <+amyloo> oh, because it's getting re-re-christened?
[16:30] <ustreamer-83432> ask mike if he was surprised by Comcast monitoring twitter
[16:31] <@TinaGillmor> I'm easily able to ask Steve anything . I'm here & he's there
[16:32] <@TinaGillmor> He's using his phone - not sure if he's got his laptop
[16:32] <ustreamer-83432> ask steve if he think that companies monitoring twitter will be a trend that catches on
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[16:33] <+amyloo> yeah, tried it last week, this chat is flash so doesn't work in the iphone
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[16:34] <ustreamer-83432> providing rapid response for companies may be a good white space for start ups
[16:36] <ustreamer-83432> do we need a "twitter is dead" gillmor countdown clock?
[16:39] <+amyloo> i can find them and post
[16:40] <@theagent> amyloo, if you're iphone is jailbroken you can download an IRC client for it
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[16:40] <+amyloo> here's all three groups http://news.echovar.com/
[16:41] <+amyloo> thx agent -- afraid to do that, not so much because i could get in trouble but afraid i'll harm it
[16:41] <@theagent> you're? memories of an irish nun whacking my knuckles
[16:42] <+amyloo> not catholic but i get the vision
[16:42] <@theagent> amyloo, thought I'd just point it out
[16:42] <@theagent> 12 years schooled by Jesuits... it explains a lot
[16:43] <+amyloo> yes
[16:44] <ustreamer-83432> will twitter go another year ad free?
[16:45] <+amyloo> i think you could make a grazr widget that would show both the twitter group and the audio feed
[16:45] <@theagent> I have to run again... sucks.... leaving the stream up and chat up
[16:45] <+amyloo> thanks, agent, appreciate the service
[16:45] <@theagent> it is being recorded for posterity... I haven't heard any of it yet.. sounds like a good one today
[16:45] <@theagent> no worries... here to serve
[16:46] <@TinaGillmor> Thanks Jerry. When you gotta go, you gotta go. You have a life, right?
[16:46] <+amyloo> that does sound pretty cool, wonder if the network will promote silverlight as such on the air
[16:53] <+amyloo> i was quite fond of the dancing bear on cap'n k
[16:54] <ustreamer-83432> what does Loren hope to get out of this gig? sponsors?
[16:55] <ustreamer-83432> Obama is up +9
[16:56] <ustreamer-83432> on gallup tracking poll
[16:58] <@TinaGillmor-1> Lorne gets his funny back
[17:06] <+amyloo> tried the two feeds together in an off-the-shelf grazr widget
[17:06] <+amyloo> http://tinyurl.com/5ynwfk
[17:06] <+amyloo> possible to customize grazr's too, keep meaning to
[17:07] <+amyloo> will post this to twitter, i think i'm talking to myself, so what else is new?
[17:07] <@TinaGillmor-1> I'm here but on twitter too
[17:15] <+amyloo> hi tina, sorry so grumpy, part of hte reason i held myself back from speaking
[17:25] <+amyloo> agree re: mccain not taking everything in
[17:25] <+amyloo> also noticed lindsey graham saying something at odds with what i've heard elsewhere about the middle east
[17:26] <+alexbellinger> sudden clarity on ustream overseas
[17:26] <+amyloo> graham said they hope iraq govt would seal off iran's influence, and I'd heard the iraq govt has more sympathy with iraq than it does with us
[17:26] <+amyloo> hey other bellinger
[17:26] <+alexbellinger> hi fellow bellinger
[17:29] <+amyloo> jerry, if the ustream chat is irc-based, I wonder if there's a way to save a log
[17:30] <@BankaiNetworks> If you use an actual client like MIRC, then yes you can save a log.
[17:33] <+amyloo> go tina
[17:35] <+alexbellinger> bye guys looking forward to listening to this in full tomorrow
[17:36] <+Jari_Ra> thanks for the show. See you later...
[17:36] <+amyloo> bye
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[20:08] <@theagent> Hi Tina, I got the message...
[20:08] <@theagent> will extract audio
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[20:31] <+TEBO> hey
[20:32] <@theagent> hey TEBO
[20:33] <+TEBO> gtg
[20:33] <+TEBO> i may bbl
[20:33] <+TEBO> idk
[20:33] <+TEBO> later
[20:34] <@theagent> no worries
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[21:40] <+human2> Yo Jer.
[21:40] <@theagent> evening....
[21:41] <+human2> Geez, I'm going to have to grab my wine now that I know you're drinking. I can blame it on you! LOL
[21:41] <@theagent> just out for a few minutes... have dinner cooking... so I need to keep an eye on the chicken
[21:41] <+human2> NP. I'm actually taking a break from coding flash all day.
[21:41] <@theagent> LOL
[21:41] <@theagent> lots of people use me as the excuse ;-)
[21:41] <+human2> working on www.hootersenergydrink.com new site - all flash.
[21:42] <+human2> You don't care about the Basketball final, eh?
01[21:42] <+ConnectedGeek> i tried to listen to Steve today but internet was not being happy :(
[21:42] <@theagent> hooters is coming out with an energy drink? interesting...
[21:42] <+human2> My friend licensed their brand and is selling them now.
[21:42] <@theagent> I don't really pay attention to March madness
[21:43] <@theagent> speaking of Steve... he lost the audio file.. so I'm transcoding my version right now for him
[21:43] <+human2> I just say alex lindasy tweet - did you see it? too funny!!
[21:43] <+human2> I think we've all done that one, eh?
[21:43] <@theagent> gonna take awhile considering the size of the original flash file
[21:43] <@theagent> 400mb
01[21:43] <+ConnectedGeek> oh my
[21:43] <@theagent> I don't follow Alex.. I should though
[21:43] <+human2> Yeah, I saw the tweet for Steve Show, but no live broadcast today.
01[21:44] <+ConnectedGeek> u know i tried to save my ustream last night
01[21:44] <+ConnectedGeek> and it failed :(
[21:44] <+human2> @alexlindsay
[21:44] <+human2> that is why I always keep a live archive when doing stream...
01[21:44] <+ConnectedGeek> guess i will have to go back to the original way :(
[21:44] <+human2> learned that leason long ago.
[21:44] <+human2> I think with the PGA ...errr
01[21:45] <+ConnectedGeek> i can't record localy and ustream at the same time
01[21:45] <+ConnectedGeek> windows :(
[21:45] <+human2> hehehe
[21:45] <+human2> brb -- off to grab a brew....
01[21:46] <+ConnectedGeek> i am working trying to get a MAC
01[21:46] <+ConnectedGeek> maybe one day
[21:46] <@theagent> time to check the chicken... be back in a few
01[21:46] <+ConnectedGeek> i tried through Jason Calacanis and his "original contest" but that failed too :(
[21:47] <+human2> cool.... I"m just watching the finals.... and having a brew...
01[21:48] <+ConnectedGeek> u hear that scoble is going to http://qik.com/scobleizer some news about Microsoft at 10:30pm EST
[21:48] <+human2> I saw that....
01[21:49] <+ConnectedGeek> should be interesting or Scoble being Scoble
01[21:49] <+ConnectedGeek> hype hype hype
[21:49] <+human2> lol - I'm sure...
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01[23:10] <+ConnectedGeek> Google App Engine... hmmm sounds interesting
[23:10] <wmichaels> how's it going?
[23:10] <@BankaiNetworks> Qik died I guess
01[23:11] <+ConnectedGeek> someone at qik will not have a job tomorrow :(
[23:11] <@BankaiNetworks> Hey wm
[23:12] <@BankaiNetworks> I doubt that. I've never seen anyone lose their job over a server
01[23:13] <+ConnectedGeek> well... you know someone is very mad right now
[23:13] <@BankaiNetworks> Looks like Qik came back
[23:13] <@BankaiNetworks> Scoble is back to broadcasting
01[23:14] <+ConnectedGeek> server was probably rebooted
[23:14] <@BankaiNetworks> Possible
[23:23] <@BankaiNetworks> brb afk
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[14:18] <@BankaiNetworks> Morning
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[15:48] <+jromeh> nice fountain - will newsgang simul be happening here again today?
[15:50] <@BankaiNetworks> I'm not sure.
[15:50] <+jromeh> just asked via tweet
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[16:03] <+RolfSchewe> just popped in to see if newsgang was going to be simulcast here as well
[16:04] <+jromeh> doesn't look like he's around, just asked steve in tweet
[16:04] <+RolfSchewe> well, was worth a shot
[16:04] <+RolfSchewe> missed yesterday's
[16:05] <+jromeh> was good, and hasn't yet been posted
[16:05] <+RolfSchewe> no podcast for it so far
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[16:05] <+jromeh> lots of puppet zaniness
[16:06] <+jromeh> seems we're missing today's, may need to call in, though can't talk at work
[16:06] <+RolfSchewe> I saw that Scoble/Google qik deal last night
[16:07] <+jromeh> yes interesting, though not quite as live as they'd make it out
[16:07] <+RolfSchewe> interesting how he and others can do that now with a phonecam
[16:08] <+RolfSchewe> really
[16:08] <+RolfSchewe> it looks like it is a raw stream
[16:08] <+jromeh> sure seemed delated, chopped to show desired, keep up with demand
[16:09] <+jromeh> commenters saying "it's awfully light out" and "darker here in la now"
[16:09] <+RolfSchewe> it disconnected a few times for me
[16:09] <+jromeh> right at the transition points ;)
[16:09] <+RolfSchewe> either way it is a fast turnover
[16:09] <+RolfSchewe> to get content up fast
[16:10] <+jromeh> oh yeah, and interesting stream, for sure
[16:11] <+jromeh> big dog going against smaller appspaces
[16:13] <+RolfSchewe> i have to say that I wasn't blown away by what Google presented
[16:14] <+jromeh> agree, have seen much similar on Rails from heroku and morph exchange
[16:14] <+jromeh> though still getting going with them
[16:15] <+RolfSchewe> it is good to shake things up though
[16:15] <+jromeh> do like how python format opinions upset some
[16:15] <+RolfSchewe> add some competition
[16:15] <+jromeh> and there will be more languages coming
[16:15] <+jromeh> am jromeh on twitter, how about you?
[16:16] <+RolfSchewe> same handle
[16:16] <+RolfSchewe> as here
[16:16] <+jromeh> followed
[16:16] <+jromeh> thx
[16:18] <+RolfSchewe> same here
[16:18] <+RolfSchewe> good to meet you
[16:19] <+jromeh> and you - west of chicago here
[16:19] <+RolfSchewe> NYC
[16:19] <+RolfSchewe> staten island
[16:20] <+RolfSchewe> at the foot of the Verazzanno bridge
[16:20] <+RolfSchewe> if you know of it...
[16:21] <+jromeh> ah, now see - was there last in '80s
[16:21] <+RolfSchewe> changed a lot since then
[16:21] <+RolfSchewe> ton of development
[16:21] <+jromeh> bet it has - sis was living on e 89th for a bit
[16:21] <+RolfSchewe> on the island i mean
[16:21] <+RolfSchewe> 89th in manhattan?
[16:21] <+jromeh> yes
[16:22] <+jromeh> did the tourist thing with child now 25 and ex
[16:23] <+RolfSchewe> the tourist routes can be uninspiring depending on who takes you
[16:24] <+jromeh> were on our own, now learning a bit more thanks to gMaps
[16:24] <+RolfSchewe> tell you one thing
[16:24] <+RolfSchewe> Times Square is night and day since the 80s
[16:24] <+RolfSchewe> no more porn, drugs, and "head shops"
[16:25] <+RolfSchewe> Disney moved in and now it's like Las Vegas at night
[16:26] <+jromeh> couple of decade can change a lot, sure has here
[16:26] <+jromeh> gentrification moves slowly but inexorably
[16:26] <+RolfSchewe> it morphs really
[16:27] <+RolfSchewe> i have a friend that works in trucking and tells me mob stories
[16:27] <+jromeh> run down 'hoods used to deliver in are now priced out
[16:27] <+RolfSchewe> they used to be prominient but have gone more "legit"
[16:28] <+RolfSchewe> yeah the hoods point is very true
[16:28] <+jromeh> always have been "connected"
[16:28] <+RolfSchewe> if you see the bridges that connect to manhattan
[16:29] <+jromeh> yes have more to relate to now than then
[16:29] <+RolfSchewe> the bad neighborhoods on the other sides are being taken over by a lot of youg people with a lot of money
[16:29] <+jromeh> saw where the bridge meets, makes sense as they're priced out on the other side
[16:29] <+RolfSchewe> i sometimes wonder where the people who are priced out go
[16:30] <+RolfSchewe> most are renters
[16:30] <+jromeh> farther, and their fuel bill goes up
[16:30] <+jromeh> or worse, and quality of life goes down
[16:31] <+jromeh> hey good to chat, gotta get back, catch ya on twitter
[16:31] <+RolfSchewe> k
[16:31] <+RolfSchewe> see ya round
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[16:46] <@theagent> I'm sorry the stream is down for technical reasons...
[16:46] <@theagent> we'll be back online tomorrow
[16:46] <@theagent> I am working remote and unable to resolve from here
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[17:17] <+mdoeff> darn. i got here too late!
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[21:32] <@BankaiNetworks> Hey Jerry.
[21:32] <@BankaiNetworks> Been busy today huh?
[21:33] <theagent_> yeah... in meetings for most of the day on the new startup
[21:33] <@BankaiNetworks> Cool
[21:33] <theagent_> just trying to finish up the planning <censored> so we can get a launch date
[21:33] <theagent_> you been quiet... how are you feeling?
[21:33] <theagent_> brb: checking on leftover pizza in oven
[21:33] <@BankaiNetworks> Alright I guess. Been screwing myself up on the sleep.
[21:36] <@BankaiNetworks> Nuking dinner myself as well. =]
[21:37] <theagent_> well that isn't good... sleep is going to instrumental in your getting over all this
[21:38] <@BankaiNetworks> It's not so much that, its that I'm up all night. heh so when I wake up in the morn it's like 10 am.
[21:38] <theagent_> well go to bed early ding <censored>
[21:38] <@BankaiNetworks> Just gotta try to force to go to bed at 2am at the latest
[21:38] <theagent_> you have to mentally make that change
[21:39] <@BankaiNetworks> yeah. lol
[21:39] <theagent_> you have to readjust your clock
[21:39] <@BankaiNetworks> However the entertaining freaks on the 'net pops out on the wee early morning. lol!
[21:40] <@BankaiNetworks> Anyways. Looks like I may have something lining up for me. I have to see if I get a call on Friday
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[21:40] <@BankaiNetworks> I'll be heading to Norco on Saturday.
[21:41] <theagent_> good to hear...
[21:41] <theagent_> looks like the kick off of the new company might be in a week or so
[21:41] <@BankaiNetworks> Nice
[21:41] <theagent_> just crossing the t's and dotting the proverbial i's
[21:41] <@BankaiNetworks> Very cool. So now its just a matter of time then.
[21:42] <theagent_> just a few loose ends... this is going forward.
[21:42] <theagent_> think I better pull that stuff out of the oven or I'll be eating cardboard... back in few
[21:42] <@BankaiNetworks> Nice
[21:43] <@BankaiNetworks> I'm sure that'll be alot of stress off of your back. =]
[21:47] <theagent_> you know that for sure
[21:47] <@BankaiNetworks> It'll all be good. =]
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[22:40] <@BankaiNetworks> brb afk
[23:03] <wmichaels> hey Jerry what's up?
[23:03] <theagent_> hey Wes, just running back and forth between machines and stuff...
[23:03] <theagent_> working on a bunch of gear for my wifes company
[23:04] <wmichaels> that's cool, I just got in from a nice eveing out in Indianapolis
[23:04] <wmichaels> dinner and drinks
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[23:05] <+theagent> very cool...
[23:05] <+theagent> wish that was me....
[23:05] <wmichaels> it's still early there, you still have a chance
[23:05] <+theagent> simple night here... pizza and beer.... a geeks wetdream
[23:05] <wmichaels> haha
[23:05] <wmichaels> cant go wrong with that
[23:05] <+theagent> I don't have time... to many machines to blow away...
[23:06] <+theagent> but it's no big deal...
[23:06] <+theagent> just not gonna have a lot of time in here tonight
[23:06] <+theagent> just keep stopping in when I come to find a cable I need or a disk
[23:06] <wmichaels> haha what exactly are you doing?
[23:07] <+theagent> 4 laptops that have been extremely neglected... trying to get her new staff setup
[23:07] <+theagent> they just shipped them here from her office back east
[23:07] <wmichaels> oh never fun, just another reason why i dont want to be a sys admin
[23:08] <+theagent> it's actually embarrassing the condition of these things
[23:08] <wmichaels> well it doesnt take long to get ot that point these days
[23:08] <+theagent> I don't mind doing it every now and again...but it's a bit much sometimes
[23:08] <wmichaels> it's one of the crosses we bare for being in IT, family support
[23:09] <+theagent> yeah... thankfully they're all Mac stuff... so I can blow threw these pretty fast.
[23:09] <wmichaels> that helps
[23:09] <+theagent> just setting up a bunch of images on my NAS I can boot and install from...
[23:09] <wmichaels> oh so you got that up and working again?
[23:09] <+theagent> well... need to go check on things again...
[23:09] <+theagent> yeah.. NAS is back online...
[23:10] <wmichaels> ok sounds good, we'll talk soon
[23:10] <+theagent> back in a bit
[23:17] <wmichaels> hey Jerry, I have an early flight tomorrow so I'm going to call it a night. I will be in LA on Saturday evening andI will email you so we can set up a time to meet.
Session Time: Wed Apr 09 00:00:00 2008
[01:13] <@BankaiNetworks> heh. Found a client check that was almost expired
[01:14] <@BankaiNetworks> got it deposited tonight. yay! Almost like finding free money. LOL
[01:46] <+theagent> I want to find one of those ;-)
[01:50] <@BankaiNetworks> heh
[01:51] <@BankaiNetworks> Yeah. They're nice to find
[01:51] <@BankaiNetworks> Boozing it like me lol
[01:51] <+theagent> what else is there to do at night?
[01:51] <@BankaiNetworks> Hmm. Party with hot chicks!, Hack government systems, etc. lol!
[01:53] <+theagent> hot chicks? What are those?
[01:53] <@BankaiNetworks> Oh come on. you have like 5 shining examples! LOL! =]
[01:53] <+theagent> hey... watch it!
[01:53] <@BankaiNetworks> heh
[01:54] <@BankaiNetworks> brb. need another cooler
[01:54] <+theagent> keep pinging @poshy or something... leave my daughters alone
[01:54] <+theagent> lol
[01:54] <@BankaiNetworks> Of course. lol!
[01:54] <@BankaiNetworks> I'm amazed as to how how Canadians have gotten.
[01:55] <+theagent> just watched a movie last night you'd like... China circa 1945
[01:55] <@BankaiNetworks> Yeah? Whats the name?
[01:56] <+theagent> forgot the name though...it was a good movie though
[01:56] <+theagent> just out
[01:56] <+theagent> let me look
[01:56] <@BankaiNetworks> Cool
[01:57] <+theagent> Lust,Caution
[01:57] <+theagent> name of film
[01:57] <+theagent> very good
[01:57] <+theagent> Ang Lee
[01:57] <@BankaiNetworks> Hmm. Interesting
[01:58] <@BankaiNetworks> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0808357/
[01:59] <+theagent> you can rent it at iTunes for 3.99
[01:59] <+theagent> maybe cheaper at Amazon UnBox
[01:59] <@BankaiNetworks> Might wait until it hits red box when it becomes a buck. lol!
[02:00] <@BankaiNetworks> Looks interesting tho
[02:00] <+theagent> so you were monitoring the breaking news last night.... to bad right now it's just python at Google
[02:00] <@BankaiNetworks> Yeah
[02:00] <@BankaiNetworks> You mean with Scoble?
[02:00] <+theagent> you're on the bleeding edge now
[02:00] <+theagent> yes... the Google announcement
[02:01] <@BankaiNetworks> I think Python has potiential. Just very underused now a days
[02:01] <@BankaiNetworks> Not sure though. Need to take a look at it. =]
[02:01] <+theagent> my stuff is ALL java
[02:01] <+theagent> Python has zero play
[02:01] <@BankaiNetworks> Right now O'm prepping more of my gear to be as portable as possible
[02:02] <@BankaiNetworks> When I get done I'll be 'net connected anywhere I go. heh
[02:02] <+theagent> not saying we shouldn't look at integration.. but it's unlikely right now
[02:03] <@BankaiNetworks> java is a good way to go because of the platform independencies and robust of the app once compiled in run time.
[02:03] <+theagent> we have a tight time frame from start to alpha launch... don't need to throw things into the machinery
[02:03] <+theagent> I know they'll support other stuff eventually... just not the right timing for us
[02:03] <@BankaiNetworks> additions come later. =]
[02:05] <@BankaiNetworks> So what are your plans for the weekend?
[02:05] <@BankaiNetworks> I'll be up in Norco for part of Saturday doing walkthroughs with Doug Crouse's building.
[02:06] <+theagent> is that the one you told me about... awesome if you've got that work ;-)
[02:06] <@BankaiNetworks> This is one of my old clients. The one that didnt want to stop paying me. ;]
[02:06] <+theagent> girls this weekend but not sure what the exact plans are... they're constantly having new things pop up
[02:07] <+theagent> this isn't the one you told me about that needs a huge overhaul?
[02:07] <@BankaiNetworks> Right now I still deal with two old clients. David Clancy and Doug Crouse
[02:07] <@BankaiNetworks> David Clancy is the one that owns the servers I have here in my house
[02:07] <+theagent> well glad you have something on the hook...
[02:08] <@BankaiNetworks> Doug Crouse is the one that paid to get my bike fixed, etc. They're really great folks.
[02:08] <+theagent> we just need to bide our time until I get this completely wrapped
[02:08] <@BankaiNetworks> It's not much. $250/mo
[02:08] <+theagent> well it's something.. can't cough at that..
[02:08] <@BankaiNetworks> Just sent off the EDD stuff
[02:08] <+theagent> cool
[02:09] <+theagent> we should take this off IRC
[02:09] <@BankaiNetworks> I'll pop onto Skype
[02:09] <@BankaiNetworks> My main system is getting really hosed
[02:09] <@BankaiNetworks> too many app conflicts.. something
[02:10] <@BankaiNetworks> trying to get my laptop fully going then I'll redo my main desktop
03[02:19] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +o TinaGillmor
03[02:19] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +o TinaGillmor-1
[02:20] <+theagent> evening Tina
[02:20] <+theagent> ching-ching
[02:22] <+theagent> sorry about the tunes.. I'm in a complete ADHD phase right now
[02:38] <+theagent> well all quiet in the channel... guessing everyone has the music squelched ;-)
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03[12:13] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +o BankaiNetworks-1
[12:14] <@BankaiNetworks-1> Morning everyone
[12:24] <@theagent> morning John
[12:35] <@BankaiNetworks-1> Life 2.0 Summit Sprint 2008 - http://www.ustream.tv/channel/life-2.0-summit-spring-%27080
[12:36] <@BankaiNetworks-1> Kinda cool. Second Life.
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03[15:58] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +o TinaGillmor-2
03[16:03] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v jromeh
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[16:10] <@theagent> roll call and audio quality check: State your location and audio quality
[16:10] <@theagent> <--- Los Angeles, CLEAN
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[16:11] <@theagent> roll call and audio quality check: State your location and audio quality
[16:11] <@theagent> roll call and audio quality check: State your location and audio quality
[16:11] <@theagent> <--- Los Angeles, CLEAN
[16:12] <@BankaiNetworks-1> Orange, Clean
[16:12] <+kr8tr> Rob - San Antonio, TX. Audio muted here, since I am on the call live. Here for the chat :)
[16:12] <+jromeh> <-- west suburbs of Chicago, CLEAN
[16:12] <+Jari_Ra> Finland, clean...
03[16:12] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +o TinaGillmor
[16:12] <@TinaGillmor> Jerry should I keep you on mute on my end?
[16:12] <@theagent> I wouldn't call it a AWS killer
[16:13] <@theagent> way too limited right now
03[16:17] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +o TinaGillmor
[16:17] <@theagent> tina.. you can take me off mute.. I have my mic muted on this end
[16:18] <@TinaGillmor> OK Jerry
[16:18] <@theagent> I shouldn't be causing any echo issues
03[16:20] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +o TinaGillmor
[16:28] <+kr8tr> @TinaGillmor - invite Steve back ;)
03[16:31] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +o TinaGillmor
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[16:33] <@TinaGillmor> Jerry - is there a way for me to hear some other sound while I am logged into this ustream site without leaving the ustream site?
[16:33] <@theagent> sure.. you can just mute the uStream player
[16:34] <@theagent> click on the speaker.. that will just kill the audio from the stream
[16:35] <@theagent> is that what you mean?
[16:35] <@theagent> kill the stream audio so that you can listen to something else on the computer?
[16:35] <@TinaGillmor> yes. Now I'm just lookig for the mute
[16:35] <@theagent> but still watch the stream
[16:35] <@theagent> its the speaker at the bottom of the flash player
[16:35] <@theagent> click on the speaker
[16:37] <@TinaGillmor> OK - got it now.didn't realize
[16:41] <@theagent> TinaGillmor did that audio work out the other day... I never heard anything
03[16:45] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +o TinaGillmor-1
[16:46] <@TinaGillmor-1> I think it's OK. We're backed up.
03[16:58] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +o TinaGillmor-1
03[16:59] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v RolfSchewe
[17:05] <@TinaGillmor-1> oh geez
[17:05] <@TinaGillmor-1> I still have modems in the closet.
[17:10] <@TinaGillmor-1> me too
[17:14] <+kr8tr> I still have my USR 19.2 modem. $3k I spent on that!
[17:17] <@theagent> 19.2 wow.. that was a speed demon compared to my 300 baud
[17:17] <@theagent> UUCP connections.... fun on the internet circa 1990
[17:18] <@theagent> also the single reason that HTTP is stateless
03[17:25] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v TEBO
[17:27] <+jromeh> thanks, Jerry!
[17:27] <@TinaGillmor-1> thanks Jerry
[17:27] <+TEBO> damn
[17:27] <@theagent> no worries
[17:27] <+TEBO> i just got her
[17:27] <+Jari_Ra> thank you very much...
03[18:09] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v Jari_Ra
[18:10] <+Jari_Ra> I'm trying to find a program that can record stereo sound + webcam at the same time...do you know any...?
[18:11] <+Jari_Ra> free and simple
[18:12] <+Jari_Ra> the mic is off..
[18:17] <+Jari_Ra> ok
[18:17] <+Jari_Ra> pc and mac
[18:19] <+Jari_Ra> we need mono mic + stereo track mp3
[18:19] <+Jari_Ra> no
[18:20] <+Jari_Ra> we need people to record webcam over mp3 stream...
[18:20] <+Jari_Ra> sort of like karaoke...
[18:20] <+Jari_Ra> exactly...
[18:20] <+Jari_Ra> what program
[18:21] <+Jari_Ra> found it
[18:21] <@theagent> soundflower 1.3.1
[18:21] <@theagent> macupdate.com
[18:23] <@theagent> jack
[18:23] <@theagent> JACK audio router
[18:23] <+Jari_Ra> found it
[18:24] <+Jari_Ra> We need this for the test group to play on top of our tracks
[18:25] <+Jari_Ra> thanks...
[18:25] <@theagent> jacosx.com
[18:25] <@theagent> jackosx.com
[18:26] <+Jari_Ra> I think we have to develop a simple program for young kids
[18:26] <+Jari_Ra> later...
[18:27] <+Jari_Ra> thank you very much again...
[18:28] <+Jari_Ra> I will use the Tip Jar. Is it paypal...?
[18:29] <+Jari_Ra> When I'm rich I will...
[18:36] <+Jari_Ra> These programs seem to be very good...
[18:36] <+Jari_Ra> I think so too
[18:41] <+Jari_Ra> sorry hear that...
03[20:25] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v connectedgeek-1
[20:27] <+connectedgeek-1> u always have cool music
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01[00:58] <+ConnectedGeek> here it is: Wikipedia vs Mahalo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQcFJUvxVoQ hope you like it
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03[09:50] * Now talking in #techaura
03[09:50] * Topic is 'NewsGang Live simulcast... brought to you by your friendly backyard bird fountain '
03[09:50] * Set by theagent on Wed Apr 09 15:58:31
01[09:51] <ConnectedGeek__> morning all
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03[10:45] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +o theagent-1
[10:50] <@theagent-1> good morning..
01[10:54] <ConnectedGeek__> check out my video yet? :)
[11:00] <@theagent-1> I haven't yet... I'm swamped trying to finish a biz plan
01[11:01] <ConnectedGeek__> much more important than my silly video :)
01[11:01] <ConnectedGeek__> good luch
01[11:01] <ConnectedGeek__> luck
[11:01] <@theagent-1> its all good... just going after a funding round
01[11:02] <ConnectedGeek__> can i have some too?? :)
[11:03] <@theagent> lol, wish it was that easy ;-)
03[11:58] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v muzziesmu1
[12:29] <@theagent> stopping the broadcast for a reboot... experiencing some strange issues.
[12:29] <@theagent> be right back
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Session Start: Thu Apr 10 14:36:26 2008
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03[14:36] * Now talking in #techaura
01[14:37] <ConnectedGeek_> test
[14:38] <@BankaiNetworks> This is a test of the emergency broadcasting network. If this had been an actual emergency, other information such as news or weather will follow. This is only a test. Beeeepppp... =]
[14:39] <@BankaiNetworks> Whats happening CG?
01[15:09] <ConnectedGeek_> nothing
01[15:09] <ConnectedGeek_> and u
[15:11] <@BankaiNetworks> Not a whole lot. Moving data around on my systems getting organized
01[15:11] <ConnectedGeek_> did you see my mahalo video?
[15:12] <@BankaiNetworks> Sorry, I didnt.
01[15:12] <ConnectedGeek_> would you care to?
[15:12] <@BankaiNetworks> Sure. =]
01[15:12] <ConnectedGeek_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQcFJUvxVoQ
[15:12] <@BankaiNetworks> Cool. Thanks
01[15:13] <ConnectedGeek_> no... thank you :)
[15:13] <@BankaiNetworks> Have to bring it up on my laptop. Desktop getting hosed. LOl
01[15:13] <ConnectedGeek_> bummer
[15:14] <@BankaiNetworks> It happens alot with me. Installing sw all the time and stuff
[15:15] <@BankaiNetworks> Funny
[15:15] <@BankaiNetworks> Resume. Perfect subject
[15:15] <@BankaiNetworks> I have my own rant about resumes as it is. LOL
01[15:15] <ConnectedGeek_> hehe
01[15:16] <ConnectedGeek_> there is another one... check the video notes
[15:16] <@BankaiNetworks> That was soo cool! Funny!
01[15:17] <ConnectedGeek_> thx
03[15:18] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v human2
[15:34] <@BankaiNetworks> Heh. I have no videos. The account is very new. =]
01[15:38] <ConnectedGeek_> no worries
01[15:38] <ConnectedGeek_> :)
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[15:54] <@BankaiNetworks> Jerry's growing a goatee?
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[15:58] <+Jari_Ra> hello
[15:58] <+Jari_Ra> fine thanks
[15:58] <+human2> Greetings....
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03[16:34] * Now talking in #techaura
03[16:34] * Topic is 'You're listening to NewsGang Live with Steve Giillmor via simulcast '
03[16:34] * Set by theagent on Thu Apr 10 16:14:46
[16:34] <@TinaGillmor> difficult to actively read the chat and reply without loosing thought
[16:36] <+connectedgeek-1> 7 usrbingeek, one more question... i recorded a stream the other nite... it said it was recording but i need showed up... only one second was recorded
[16:36] <+human2> Tina I found it: It was from Scobble: I'm talking to someone at Microsoft. Google's announcement took a lot of wind out of Ray Ozzie's sails. 04:58 PM April 08, 2008 from web
[16:36] <+connectedgeek-1> 7 i recorded about 20 min
[16:37] <&usrbingeek> connectedgeek-1 I'm not to familiar with the video side of things but you could email support@ustream.tv about it.
[16:37] <&usrbingeek> *too
[16:37] <@TinaGillmor> thanks Human2
[16:37] <+connectedgeek-1> 7 thx
[16:38] <ustreamer-33059> Is the move to the cloud similar to the move from the mainframe to the pc?
[16:40] <@theagent> muted
[16:40] <@theagent> I have to go hard line if I want to contribute.. too much going on with this
[16:40] <+human2> I agree with Steve about AOL.
[16:40] <@theagent> I was saying I still have my Delphi account ;-)
[16:40] <@theagent> that and my MustangBBS in the closet
[16:41] <+human2> Yeah, you pulled away from the MIC and I couldn't hear you.
[16:41] <&usrbingeek> I think Yahoo and AOL deserve each other.
[16:41] <ustreamer-33059> Have they talked about the Hugh deleting his Twitter account and declaring twitter dead (for him?)
03[16:41] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v poisonpill097
[16:41] <@TinaGillmor> Yes - we touched on the Hugh thing already. Not sure if that topic will come back around
[16:42] <+poisonpill097> Google doesn't buy salesforce because of their EULA
[16:42] <+poisonpill097> Salesforce is installed ! What the heck are we talking about ?
[16:42] <+human2> Hey Steve
[16:42] <ustreamer-53568> hi

[16:42] <ustreamer-33059> deleting your twitter account is like deleting a email account
[16:42] <ustreamer-33059> why?
[16:42] <+alexbellinger> Hi Steve
[16:42] <+poisonpill097> I want to know how Google acquires intranet servers
[16:42] <+poisonpill097> makes no sense
[16:44] <@theagent> target disk mode should absolutely work
[16:44] <+poisonpill097> command line mode
[16:44] <@theagent> you have to cold boot that machine
[16:44] <+poisonpill097> BASH
[16:44] <ustreamer-33059> monkchips is getting into the conference business
[16:44] <@theagent> the disk is dust
[16:44] <+poisonpill097> the disk is not dust
[16:45] <+kr8tr> Wow - Vista NEVER gives me an Apple logo! :)
[16:45] <+poisonpill097> just boot it up in bash
[16:45] <@theagent> target disk mode is a hardware based bypas
[16:45] <ustreamer-33059> Red Monk is an interesting boutique analyst firm curious how they will do in the conference biz
[16:46] <+poisonpill097> oh
[16:46] <@theagent> it's not seeing the drive
[16:46] <+poisonpill097> sounds mobo
[16:46] <@theagent> the controller is borked
[16:46] <+poisonpill097> yea
[16:46] <+poisonpill097> mobo is fried
[16:46] <@TinaGillmor> Has Red Monk announced a conference? Name? date?
[16:46] <@theagent> the disk is borked
[16:46] <ustreamer-33059> one sec
[16:46] <@theagent> just T
[16:46] <+poisonpill097> I wouldnt go for the disk until I know for sure it isnt the mobo
[16:46] <+poisonpill097> that way he saves his data just in case
[16:46] <@theagent> 1 year warranty
[16:47] <+poisonpill097> why ?
[16:47] <+poisonpill097> im so sick of politics
[16:47] <ustreamer-33059> red monk tweets here http://twitter.com/monkchips
[16:47] <ustreamer-33059> about the "unconference"
[16:48] <+poisonpill097> Ross Perot for prez !
[16:48] <@theagent> tina. just for grins start that machine up and stick your ear to the back of the iMac.. see if you here a "clunk, clunk"
[16:48] <@theagent> hear not here
03[16:48] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v connectedgeek
[16:48] <@theagent> if clunk clunk... disk is borked
[16:49] <+human2> I'm wikipedia "borked" LOL
03[16:49] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v jromeh
[16:49] <@TinaGillmor> ill try after show
[16:49] <+poisonpill097> Obama and Rice on same ticket
[16:49] <+poisonpill097> wohoo
[16:49] <ustreamer-33059> more redmonk http://twitter.com/monkchips/statuses/786595352
[16:49] <+poisonpill097> Black on black baby
[16:50] <ustreamer-33059> NYT had a interesting profile of Chris Matthews..must read
[16:50] <+poisonpill097> These media moguls never go one way or another. just follow the money
[16:51] <+poisonpill097> Spin paid for by the Clinton campaign
[16:51] <+poisonpill097> I think she will. nobody wants to see a woman lose
[16:51] <+Jari_Ra> not
03[16:51] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v connectedgeek
[16:51] <ustreamer-33059> Hillary is toast
[16:51] <+alexbellinger> Obama is president
[16:52] <ustreamer-33059> What happens when the Obama honeymoon ends on Nv. 5th
[16:52] <+poisonpill097> I think Obama will move to make Silverlight the official platform of youtube.
[16:52] <+poisonpill097> :-P
[16:52] <+connectedgeek> 7 after the show... check out my Mahalo Video :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQcFJUvxVoQ
[16:52] <+poisonpill097> mahalo sucks
[16:52] <+connectedgeek> 7 ok
[16:53] <ustreamer-33059> Curious what to expect from the press after Obama wins
[16:53] <ustreamer-33059> the presidency
[16:53] <+poisonpill097> Steve. I need you to tell me who Obama's kingmakers are
[16:54] <ustreamer-33059> will he have a 6 month honeymoon? or does the bad press start immediately
[16:54] <+poisonpill097> what tech firms are riding on Obama's coattail ?
[16:54] <+poisonpill097> blog. whats that ?
[16:54] <+alexbellinger> Obama will be like Blair in UK. 12 month honeymoon, but with a few suppressed doubts. Then all hell will break loose.
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[16:55] <+poisonpill097> All odds are that "something" happens to Obama between here and August.
[16:55] <ustreamer-33059> who is the defense chief under Obama?
[16:55] <+poisonpill097> Just like Kennedy
[16:55] <+dahowlett> I'm with @alexbellinger - seems a lot of familiar signals
[16:55] <@theagent> we're at 19..... 6 more for 25
[16:55] <@theagent> lets make it happen
[16:56] <+poisonpill097> doubt it. Why would I want a woman vice president. :-P
[16:56] <@theagent> 21 users
[16:57] <@TinaGillmor> Wow, you all have come alive w/ the political discussion. Interesting.
[16:57] <ustreamer-33059> we should be talking about the Obama presidency..he is already elected
[16:57] <+poisonpill097> just wish there is a day when the whole country DOES NOT vote
[16:57] <+poisonpill097> sick and tired of these morons taking office. bunch of lawyers. all of em
[16:57] <+poisonpill097> They all have something to gain and nothing to lose
[16:58] <+alexbellinger> Obama's the most inspiring politician in the West. Not just the US. Enjoy the hope and the honeymoon.
[16:58] <@theagent> need to a tech support problem with my wife ;-)... be right back
[16:58] <+poisonpill097> not inspiring for me. i want my votes back
[16:58] <ustreamer-33059> great documentary call "why we fight" is a must watch
[16:58] <+poisonpill097> I'm so sick of the military industrial complex controlling who it is we vote for
[16:58] <+poisonpill097> I want to vote for the guy that takes out our troops. NOW !
[16:59] <+poisonpill097> I will not vote in the general election. I choose to exercise my ability to vote for nobody
[16:59] <ustreamer-33059> How will Obama/McCain debates go?
[16:59] <ustreamer-33059> better than Kerry/Bush?
[16:59] <+poisonpill097> McCain drops dead. the end
[17:00] <+poisonpill097> HA !
[17:00] <+alexbellinger> Thanks @dahowlett for raising that :)
[17:00] <+poisonpill097> I knew steve would work in Silverlight somewhere
[17:00] <+poisonpill097> seriously now...
[17:01] <+poisonpill097> the executive branch is under attack
[17:01] <ustreamer-33059> Bush is fighting a proxy war with Iran, funny how Maliki is in bed with Iran, talk about strange bedfellow
03[17:01] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v gruts
[17:01] <+dahowlett> we all remember the promise. I left the country shortly thereafter
[17:01] <+poisonpill097> I would love to move out of the US
[17:01] <+gruts> Thesping, thesping, 1-2-3
[17:02] <+dahowlett> 'nuff said. Now look at the UK peso - in the toilet
[17:02] <+poisonpill097> the new web is coming from Europe anyways
[17:02] <+poisonpill097> last time I checked, howlett, the entire american economy is in the toilet
[17:02] <+dahowlett> gotta go..
[17:03] <+kr8tr> "enire US economy in the toilet" is not accurate
[17:04] <+poisonpill097> ok...
[17:04] <@TinaGillmor> Greenspan says resession - thats toilet
[17:04] <+poisonpill097> being that Greenspan was the one that put us there to begin with...I think what he says goes
[17:04] <+kr8tr> Not for the entire ecoomy, Even in a recession, parts of the economy have always grown
[17:05] <+poisonpill097> uhm...no kr8tr
[17:05] <+poisonpill097> the economy does not "grow"
[17:05] <+poisonpill097> we innovate to make "more" jobs
[17:05] <@BankaiNetworks> Sure it does
[17:05] <+alexbellinger> recession's a necessary evil ... depression is the toilet. Don't think US economy is heading for depression.
[17:05] <+poisonpill097> if we can create "more" jobs, then sure. we can grow
[17:05] <+poisonpill097> my argument is...I think we can't
[17:06] <@TinaGillmor> yes, the oil industry and the war machine works well in recession
[17:06] <+poisonpill097> Tina, I just talked to my "contact" in oil biz
[17:06] <+poisonpill097> oil industry is tanking next summer
03[17:06] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v shareme-1
[17:06] <+shareme-1> hi
[17:06] <+kr8tr> In some segments of the economy we will build jobs - hell, changing from a manufaturing to a service economy was SUPPOSED to be the end - it wasn;t. It isn't. People, and the economy, evolve
[17:07] <+poisonpill097> service economy ?
[17:07] <+poisonpill097> lol
[17:07] <@BankaiNetworks> I agree with kr8tr
[17:07] <@BankaiNetworks> Yes, we are a service economy now.
[17:07] <+poisonpill097> we are ?
[17:07] <+poisonpill097> as opposed to ?
[17:07] <@BankaiNetworks> yes, We dont manufacture anything anymore
[17:07] <+poisonpill097> we don't ?
[17:08] <+kr8tr> no competetively we don;t
[17:08] <@BankaiNetworks> outsourced.
[17:08] <+poisonpill097> why don't you tell the people at our GM plant down the road
[17:08] <@TinaGillmor> we dont
[17:08] <+shareme-1> inccorect look aorund your local metro city manfucturing is there
[17:08] <+poisonpill097> actually...we are exporting more than importing right now
[17:08] <+kr8tr> Like I said - not competetive. Not a question of IF those jobs move, but when - especially if they are union jobs.
[17:08] <@BankaiNetworks> I disagree. The US has always imported more then they exported for the past 20 years.
[17:09] <+kr8tr> Besides - GM ASSEMBLES now. They don;t fabricate on any scale - not in the US
[17:09] <@theagent> uStream has Obama live on the front page
[17:09] <@BankaiNetworks> Exactly kr8tr
[17:09] <+shareme-1> are usure what doe sdelco do?
[17:10] <+poisonpill097> Assmebles = manufacturing ?
[17:10] <@TinaGillmor> whats Obama doing? Where is he?
[17:10] <+poisonpill097> what do you mean by service and what is manufacturing ?
[17:10] <@BankaiNetworks> Like Harley Davidson motorcycles. They're made out of the US and assembled here in the US.
[17:10] <+shareme-1> exactly
[17:10] <+alexbellinger> do you have to manufacture to be an economic super power?
[17:10] <+shareme-1> wehn we imported form Europe before manufacutring what were we?
[17:10] <+kr8tr> alex - as you know - nope. You don;t. You just have to assemble extremely well
[17:11] <@BankaiNetworks> Alex -> I think manufacturing gives you an edge. Less dependencies upon other countries.
[17:11] <+poisonpill097> no idea. so does everything have to be made in the us to be a manufacturing economy ?
[17:11] <+shareme-1> no
[17:11] <+alexbellinger> The West has outsourced manufacturing and pollution to China and India. It's our job to create a new economic super power model to compete with old model.
[17:11] <+poisonpill097> if so, then who is manufacturing ? NOBODY
[17:12] <+human2> this topic (the chat room) reminds me of a recent book: The World is Flat.
[17:12] <+poisonpill097> and China and India gets their resources for manufacturing from Australia and Russia
03[17:12] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v pcnerd37-2
[17:12] <+poisonpill097> Guns, germs, and steel. No one country does EVERYTHING
[17:13] <+kr8tr> Ford initially controlled every aspect of manufacturing Fords. Turns out it was cheaper to let someone else build the tires. And the engines. And even the paint.
[17:13] <+poisonpill097> we are forced to trade
[17:13] <+poisonpill097> so how is it that we are a "service" economy ?
[17:13] <+alexbellinger> Exactly kr8tr
[17:13] <+poisonpill097> kr8tr, I guess that is why Ford had alliances with hitler
[17:13] <+kr8tr> Gads.
[17:14] <+poisonpill097> Ford spent their money on a Nazi win.
[17:14] <+poisonpill097> how is that proamerican ?
[17:14] <+kr8tr> poisen - you are doing exactly what people do when they don't have a valid argument. Change the focus of the conversation. Silly.
[17:15] <+poisonpill097> you said Ford controlled every aspect
[17:15] <+poisonpill097> not true
[17:15] <+kr8tr> When they started, they did
[17:16] <@theagent> I hate long pauses... I always jump like the stream just dropped....
[17:16] <+kr8tr> They had rubber tree plantations so they could make their own tires. They were once the largest manufacturer of steel in the world.
[17:16] <+kr8tr> All so they controlled the entire pipeline - until others showed they could do it more cheaply - because it was their focus
[17:16] <@TinaGillmor> Jerry - Youll do a lot of jumping w/ Steve. He loves the pause
[17:17] <+poisonpill097> and the internal combustion engine came from Germany ? What ?
[17:17] <+kr8tr> Who cares where it came from - stick to the topic.
[17:18] <+kr8tr> Topic is (in case you forgot) - is the US a service economy, and can the US have a strong economy based on the fact it is a service economy. Yes, and Yes.
[17:19] <+poisonpill097> i still dont understand why you can't have both
[17:20] <+kr8tr> Because we cannot compete as a manufacturing society - out infrastructure costs too much for peope to make a living here screwing a bolt onto a frame
[17:20] <+human2> Jer...are you playing that??
[17:20] <@theagent> yes
[17:20] <+human2> LOL
[17:20] <+human2> I got it....
[17:20] <@theagent> School House Rock
[17:20] <+poisonpill097> says who ?
[17:21] <@theagent> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEJL2Uuv-oQ
[17:21] <&usrbingeek> I was humming that before you started playing it
[17:21] <@theagent> for all the mob
[17:21] <+kr8tr> says the 70,000 manufacturing jobs we have lost in the last two months
[17:21] <+poisonpill097> we can have robotic manufacturing
[17:21] <+poisonpill097> does manufacturing have to be "human" ?
[17:22] <+alexbellinger> Robots are more expensive than Chinese ;)
[17:22] <+human2> Jer...memories of my past...Wasn't there an off-broadway show on old songs from the past?
[17:22] <+poisonpill097> ha
[17:22] <+kr8tr> so can Mexico,and China - and their mechanics can fix those robots cheaper than our mechanics can.
[17:22] <+poisonpill097> kr8tr...THATS how we are both !
[17:23] <+kr8tr> You sound like you are in manufacturing - and afraid to face the facts. If so, I pity your future.
[17:23] <+poisonpill097> illegals and black market do not contribute to our overall GDP number
[17:23] <+alexbellinger> Office is dead. Manufacturing is dead.
[17:24] <+alexbellinger> Except artisinal small businesses.
[17:24] <+kr8tr> Service Rules
[17:24] <+kr8tr> links are dead. Steelworking and auto manufacturing in the US is dead.
[17:24] <+poisonpill097> kr8tr...you said 70,000 manufacturing jobs lost and that that equates to us as being a service economy
[17:24] <+kr8tr> (and the video feed is dead)
[17:25] <+alexbellinger> lol
[17:25] <+poisonpill097> how much of that 70,000 is replaced by unmeasurable scab labor ?
[17:25] <@theagent> just trying to work on the video switcher interface
[17:25] <+kr8tr> 70,000 IN TWO MONTHS! And we have been losing that much manufacturing capacity or ten years!
[17:25] <+poisonpill097> right...because we don't NEED employees on the books to do it
[17:26] <+kr8tr> scab labor? You mean people that are willing to work without giving a portion of their pay to a "master"?
[17:26] <&usrbingeek> Dave Wiener is an ass, always will be.
[17:26] <+kr8tr> I had one brief conversation with Dave Winer, ten years ago. It went Like this:
[17:27] <+poisonpill097> without being "on" the books
[17:27] <+kr8tr> "Dave, are you sure that what you said makes sense?"
[17:27] <+kr8tr> Dave replies, "<censored> YOU"
[17:27] <+kr8tr> End of conversation :)
[17:27] <&usrbingeek> According to him, he's always right, everyone else is always wrong.
[17:27] <+poisonpill097> sounds like my kind of guy
[17:27] <@BankaiNetworks> Lovely
[17:28] <+poisonpill097> if you aren't right...who is ?
[17:28] <+kr8tr> He's a lovely fellow (in his mirror)
[17:28] <@BankaiNetworks> lol
[17:28] <+poisonpill097> so i thought twitter wasn't a chat room
[17:29] <+kr8tr> chitter is absolutely a chat room - on a global scale
[17:29] <&usrbingeek> when I'm wrong I don't mind admitting it. If you live life with a closed mind you'll never learn anything.
[17:29] <+kr8tr> Err Twitter
[17:29] <+poisonpill097> closed minds get you into the white house, usrbingeek
[17:29] <&usrbingeek> lol, and that's why you'll never find a normal person in there. ;)
[17:30] <+poisonpill097> i'm tired
[17:30] <+poisonpill097> i should be working, but I can't. I'm too tired
[17:30] <+poisonpill097> I want this to be a service economy and have my job outsourced so I dont have to do it anymore
[17:30] <+alexbellinger> Enjoying Jerry's video cross fades ...
[17:30] <&usrbingeek> lol Jerry figured out camtwist. We're all in trouble.
[17:31] <@BankaiNetworks> I remember this video
[17:31] <+poisonpill097> is there a pron version of this ?
[17:31] <@TinaGillmor> what are we seeing on the video?
[17:31] <@theagent> I know camtwist like the back of my hand...
[17:31] <&usrbingeek> it's School House Rock
[17:31] <+poisonpill097> a making of a bill
[17:32] <@theagent> but this was a new machine that I hadn't finished configuring
[17:32] <@BankaiNetworks> This is a cartoon that used to show on Ch. 5 here when I was a kid. School House Rock
[17:32] <@BankaiNetworks> Awesome clips. There were several to my knowledge
[17:32] <+poisonpill097> uhm. this is school house rocks
[17:33] <+poisonpill097> crap. i forgot to set my timestamps on my email server
[17:33] <+Jari_Ra> Yep, the video was good...
[17:33] <@theagent> those are PSA's so they're free to air
[17:33] <+human2> LOL.
[17:34] <+poisonpill097> can we pause for a second as i go to the restroom ?
[17:34] <@BankaiNetworks> Educational broadcasts. =]
[17:34] <+poisonpill097> or can you service that yet ?
[17:34] <+human2> Jer. everytime I meet someone named bill...I sing that song.
[17:34] <@theagent> I also forgot to setup Perian on this machine... so I had to load it so I could use the FLV files from YouTube
[17:34] <@theagent> I would have had it running much sooner
[17:34] <&usrbingeek> remember when Dave hung up because god forbid there was a republican on the call that could go toe to toe with him?
[17:34] <&usrbingeek> who was that Perkins?
[17:34] <@BankaiNetworks> LOL
[17:35] <@theagent> Tony Perkins
[17:35] <&usrbingeek> I loved that show
[17:35] <@theagent> AlwaysOn
[17:35] <@theagent> Tony was responsible for Red Herring
[17:36] <&usrbingeek> That was a great magazine back in the day
[17:36] <+human2> I agree -- we're never leaving Iraq
[17:37] <@theagent> I'm a Believer... cool... let me find that Monkees video
[17:37] <@theagent> someone do a reference to HR Puffinstuff
[17:37] <@TinaGillmor> Yes, it was Tony
[17:38] <+poisonpill097> what is steve talking about ?
[17:38] <+poisonpill097> oh ok. Iraq
[17:38] <+poisonpill097> she said "suck"... :-P
[17:38] <@theagent> I've known DaveW. for 20 years.. was in the middle of some of his largest slash and burn campaigns
[17:38] <+poisonpill097> I would like to hear Clinton say "suck"
[17:39] <@theagent> eg. AppleScript @ Apple
[17:39] <@theagent> Dave surely has his moments
[17:39] <@TinaGillmor> I dont mind that Dave stopped following me. But his block means I dont see his tweets anymore.
[17:39] <+alexbellinger> The absolute travesty of the War is the 'no plan' after-war a la 'No End In Sight'. Criminal negligence. With planning US could have been out of there earlier.
[17:39] <@theagent> just follow his FriendFeed.... it so stupid
[17:40] <+alexbellinger> Tina if we retweet his tweets will you see them :)
[17:40] <+poisonpill097> alex...since when has there ever been a point to war ?
[17:40] <@TinaGillmor> I like that, Alex
[17:40] <+poisonpill097> what does everybody think of this http://shop3.outpost.com/product/5565530?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
[17:40] <@theagent> actually I think you can just use the track feature in GTalk and get around the whole follow crap
[17:41] <@TinaGillmor> yes - track
[17:41] <+human2> Thanks Steve..
[17:41] <@TinaGillmor> thanks everyone
[17:41] <&usrbingeek> Another great show!
[17:41] <+alexbellinger> thanks guys
[17:41] <+poisonpill097> everybody can chat about my hard drive purchase
[17:41] <&usrbingeek> turn up your level Jerry
[17:42] <+human2> Jean Luc Ponty
[17:42] <&usrbingeek> that's a bit better
[17:42] <+human2> lol
[17:42] <@TinaGillmor> thanks Jerry
[17:43] <+human2> thanks Jer.....nice work....You're a Streaming Producer Now!!
[17:43] <&usrbingeek> I'm going to get you on the front page
[17:43] <+alexbellinger> thanks jerry, much appreciated.
[17:43] <+human2> just a bill.
[17:43] <ustreamer-33059> are you a developer?
[17:43] <+poisonpill097> i'm not listening. later
[17:44] <ustreamer-33059> no audio?
[17:44] <ustreamer-33059> there it goes
[17:44] <ustreamer-33059> good one..classic
[17:47] <+Jari_Ra> it was good with the sound...
[17:48] <ustreamer-33059> thievery corp
[17:48] <&usrbingeek> Jerry whos the artist?
[17:48] <ustreamer-33059> got any of their stiff
[17:48] <+Jari_Ra> thanks...
[17:48] <ustreamer-33059> stuff
[17:48] <ustreamer-33059> cool
[17:48] <&usrbingeek> nice
[17:48] <ustreamer-33059> does she have a web site
[17:48] <ustreamer-33059> where is the url
[17:48] <ustreamer-33059> thanks
[17:49] <ustreamer-33059> does she do commission work?
[17:49] <&usrbingeek> ustreamer-33059, heh I have a lot of Thievery Corp, never came across anyone else familiar with it
[17:49] <ustreamer-33059> saw them in concert last year
[17:50] <ustreamer-33059> they were great
[17:50] <ustreamer-33059> big fan of them and Zero 7
[17:50] <&usrbingeek> they'd be a good group to see live
[17:50] <&usrbingeek> Me too
[17:50] <ustreamer-33059> cool
[17:50] <@theagent> http://www.artslant.com/global/artists/show/12067-caryn-baumgartner
[17:50] <ustreamer-33059> thanks will check it out
[17:51] <ustreamer-33059> will do
[17:51] <ustreamer-33059> yw
[17:58] <+Jari_Ra> by the way the programs that you recommended yesterday for recording audio worked perfectly...
[17:59] <+Jari_Ra> ok that sounds good...
[18:00] <&usrbingeek> <3 Twitter
03[18:00] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v jasoncalacanis
[18:01] <+jasoncalacanis> yes
[18:01] <&usrbingeek> oh that's a fantastic idea Jerry
[18:01] <&usrbingeek> Hi Jason
[18:01] <+jasoncalacanis> yes
[18:01] <@BankaiNetworks> Welcome jason
[18:01] <+jasoncalacanis> what is this music?
[18:02] <+Jari_Ra> I got the Mahalo coffee cup today, thanks for that Jason...
[18:02] <+jasoncalacanis> did you blog it Jari_Ra?
[18:02] <+jasoncalacanis> is that over speakers?
[18:02] <+jasoncalacanis> or is it a mixer of your mic and it
[18:02] <+Jari_Ra> I will
[18:02] <+jasoncalacanis> what software?
[18:02] <+jasoncalacanis> mac pro
[18:02] <+jasoncalacanis> like a killa
[18:03] <@theagent> soundflower 1.3.1
[18:03] <+jasoncalacanis> http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/14067
[18:04] <+jasoncalacanis> installing
[18:05] <+jasoncalacanis> strange
[18:05] <+jasoncalacanis> installed and cant find it
[18:05] <+jasoncalacanis> where does it install?
[18:06] <+jasoncalacanis> got it
[18:06] <+jasoncalacanis> and i set that for what?
[18:07] <+jasoncalacanis> if i change output
[18:07] <+jasoncalacanis> i lose you
[18:08] <+jasoncalacanis> stop this music
[18:08] <+jasoncalacanis> its killing me!
[18:08] <+jasoncalacanis> :-)
[18:08] <+jasoncalacanis> im ready to kill myself
[18:09] <+Jari_Ra> yes
[18:09] <+jasoncalacanis> pull me up in my chat room
[18:09] <&usrbingeek> SoundBed? Where do we find it again?
[18:09] <&usrbingeek> oh ok
[18:09] <+jasoncalacanis> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/jason-calacanis
[18:09] <+jasoncalacanis> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/jason-calacanis
[18:09] <&usrbingeek> Was busy installing soundflower
[18:10] <&usrbingeek> what link?
[18:11] <&usrbingeek> sorry, I cannot get private messages
[18:11] <&usrbingeek> I couldn't find it myself. Only found soundflower
[18:13] <@theagent> http://www.cycling74.com/download/soundflower121.dmg
[18:13] <&usrbingeek> I understand
[18:13] <&usrbingeek> Thanks
[18:16] <&usrbingeek> Could you please go through the setup once more. I have my output changed to Soundflower 2 chan as my output. And then I choose Soundflower as my audio source? How do I monitor it myself?
[18:16] <&usrbingeek> Yes
[18:16] <&usrbingeek> yes
[18:16] <&usrbingeek> ok
[18:17] <&usrbingeek> Ok
[18:17] <@theagent> now you can't hear me
[18:17] <&usrbingeek> Right
[18:17] <@theagent> use soundlfowerbed
[18:17] <@theagent> select an output like your speakers
[18:17] <&usrbingeek> ahh yes!
[18:18] <&usrbingeek> I have that
[18:19] <&usrbingeek> sweet!
03[18:19] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v cire2117
[18:19] <&usrbingeek> this is fantastic. I've been told to do this before but everyone left out the all important Soundflowerbed part
[18:19] <&usrbingeek> lol
[18:19] <&usrbingeek> which commands?
[18:19] <@BankaiNetworks> Gotta hate it when that happens. =]
[18:20] <&usrbingeek> A good cheat sheet is at http://www.wyldryde.org/commands/
[18:20] <&usrbingeek> But not all of those will work here because ustream doesn't have services.
[18:20] <&usrbingeek> Yeah, this makes it more open
[18:21] <@BankaiNetworks> I guess we bored Jason. LOL
[18:23] <+Jari_Ra> good one...
[18:23] <ustreamer-33059> what was the sound mixer
[18:23] <@BankaiNetworks> Oh well. Lol
[18:23] <ustreamer-33059> ok..how about windows?
[18:23] <ustreamer-33059> for sound mixing
[18:23] <ustreamer-33059> power tools?
[18:24] <ustreamer-33059> ever listen to radio paradise?
[18:24] <@BankaiNetworks> Some soundcards allow internal mixing as built-in into the driver
[18:24] <ustreamer-33059> great station
[18:24] <&usrbingeek> downloading jack OSx now
[18:24] <@BankaiNetworks> On Windows based systems
[18:24] <@BankaiNetworks> Heh
[18:25] <&usrbingeek> gotcha
[18:26] <ustreamer-33059> what is up with the Gillmor/Winer feud..I thought that they were long time friends..crazy how twitter could cause a blowup
[18:27] <ustreamer-33059> Gillmor has stuck with him through all that
[18:27] <@BankaiNetworks> I think the IT world makes us all nuts eventually. =]
[18:28] <ustreamer-33059> Are you in Austin?
[18:28] <@BankaiNetworks> Whats the URL?
[18:29] <ustreamer-33059> do you do any hd stuff
[18:29] <ustreamer-33059> hd wifi?
[18:29] <ustreamer-33059> trying to learn to stream
[18:29] <ustreamer-33059> hd video
[18:29] <ustreamer-33059> to my tv
[18:29] <ustreamer-33059> from pc
[18:30] <@BankaiNetworks> This is the band? http://www.losanjealous.com/2008/03/21/sxsw-08-the-soundtrack-of-our-lives/
[18:30] <ustreamer-33059> wimax I hear is cool not sure when that is going to take off
[18:31] <@BankaiNetworks> http://2008.sxsw.com/music/showcases/band/67412.html
[18:31] <ustreamer-33059> on a unrelated note I hear the u2 3d movie is very cool
[18:32] <ustreamer-33059> thinking of checking it out this weekend
[18:32] <ustreamer-33059> nice
[18:33] <ustreamer-33059> do you use a pvr/tivo?
[18:33] <ustreamer-33059> thinking of getting tivo wondering if it is worth it
[18:33] <ustreamer-33059> cluthc
[18:33] <ustreamer-33059> clutch
[18:33] <ustreamer-33059> is a cool rock band
[18:34] <ustreamer-33059> ok thanks
[18:34] <&usrbingeek> Jerry, I'm thrilled I finally got the audio working the way I've wanted. Thanks so much!
[18:34] <ustreamer-33059> who is that playing?
[18:34] <ustreamer-33059> classic
[18:35] <ustreamer-33059> they are from LA
[18:35] <ustreamer-33059> I think
[18:37] <ustreamer-33059> I was a big Husker Du fan
[18:37] <ustreamer-33059> also Minutemen
[18:38] <ustreamer-33059> classic record lable
[18:38] <ustreamer-33059> label
[18:38] <ustreamer-33059> the minutemen were on
[18:38] <ustreamer-33059> used to read maximum rock and roll
[18:38] <ustreamer-33059> nice
[18:39] <ustreamer-33059> The Mentors?
[18:41] <ustreamer-33059> Black Flag
[18:42] <ustreamer-33059> another classic LA punk band
[18:42] <ustreamer-33059> CroMags may also have been from there
[18:42] <@theagent> many many times.. in very small venues.. black flag rocked
[18:42] <@theagent> and I had the great fortune to see them with Henry Rollins as the lead
[18:42] <@theagent> CroMags also well known
[18:44] <&usrbingeek> lol
[18:46] <ustreamer-33059> seems like vinyl has made a real resurgence..do you buy vinyl
[18:49] <@theagent> I had the original vinyl and it was destroyed in a house fire... I had the radical collection too.... but that was digital... I'm not a vinyl hound now
[18:49] <@theagent> they were a pain in the ass then...
[18:58] <+Jari_Ra> I'm scanning symphonies, it's boring but someone has to do it...
[18:58] <+Jari_Ra> It's good that you have good music here..
[19:09] <+Jari_Ra> what bands are these...?
[19:09] <+Jari_Ra> good stuff
[19:29] <@theagent> gonna switch the camera view for a little bit.. need to get some work done and its distracting
[19:30] <+Jari_Ra> ok, waiting for the birds...
[19:31] <@theagent> it will be hummingbird time.. they tend to hang out at the fountain about now
03[19:44] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v TEBO
03[19:54] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v connectedgeek-1
[20:08] <ustreamer-11354> is there an archive of this chat available somewhere?
01[21:04] <ConnectedGeek_> i have it
01[21:04] <ConnectedGeek_> how far do you want?
03[21:07] * chat2.ustream.tv sets mode: +v connectedgeek-2
[21:10] <+connectedgeek-2> hey
[21:10] <+connectedgeek-2> anyone here?
[21:11] <+connectedgeek-2> usrbingeek??
[21:11] <+connectedgeek-2> u there?
[21:11] <&usrbingeek> hi
[21:11] <+connectedgeek-2> cool
[21:11] <+connectedgeek-2> couple things
[21:11] <+connectedgeek-2> do you know of a way to either RSS or save off the transcipt of these chats?
[21:12] <+connectedgeek-2> do you guys save them
[21:12] <&usrbingeek> currently there is no way to save them unless you log them yourself with an IRC client.
[21:13] <+connectedgeek-2> also, can you make it so have sound when you receive a message within this chat (while in the UStream view)?
[21:13] <+connectedgeek-2> i use mIRC and it logs everything
[21:13] <&usrbingeek> not in the flash chat yet
[21:13] <+connectedgeek-2> but i think RSS'ing would be cool
[21:14] <&usrbingeek> You can do that in mIRC
[21:14] <&usrbingeek> The sound I mean
[21:14] <+connectedgeek-2> yet... good word :)
[21:14] <&usrbingeek> in mIRC lift click on choose on in Beeping
[21:14] <+connectedgeek-2> yes... i got that :)
[21:14] <+connectedgeek-2> it is awful after a while :)
[21:15] <&usrbingeek> yeah
[21:16] <+connectedgeek-2> do you archive all of the logs?
[21:16] <+connectedgeek-2> for all of the chats?
[21:18] <+connectedgeek-2> so... you know of an RSS system that will feed from IRC?
[21:18] <&usrbingeek> it's not kept very long, and for privacy reasons we don't give it out
[21:19] <&usrbingeek> I don't
[21:19] <+connectedgeek-2> understoof
[21:19] <+connectedgeek-2> understood
[21:19] <&usrbingeek> The privacy concerns with that would open a hornet's nest
[21:19] <+connectedgeek-2> tru dat
[21:20] <+connectedgeek-2> some one asked earlier for an archive
[21:20] <+connectedgeek-2> i kept a log of this session today
[21:20] <+connectedgeek-2> i will ask Steve, Tina and Jerry if it is ok to post
03[21:46] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v cire2117
[21:48] <@BankaiNetworks> this bird is fun to watch
01[21:48] <ConnectedGeek_> hehe
[21:49] <@BankaiNetworks> Strange facination with the water
[21:49] <+connectedgeek-2> he/she was dirty :)
[21:49] <@BankaiNetworks> I've never seen a bird act like this.
[21:50] <@BankaiNetworks> Maybe trying to find a mate
[21:52] <+connectedgeek-2> oh well it's gone :(
[21:52] <@BankaiNetworks> Yeah
[21:52] <@BankaiNetworks> It'll probably come again tomorrow
01[21:52] <ConnectedGeek_> i am looking for that and a way to feed this chat (for example) in to my Google Reader
01[21:52] <ConnectedGeek_> do you know of one?
[21:52] <@BankaiNetworks> You mean the whole IRC RSS thing?
[21:53] <+connectedgeek-2> not insert RSS in to this chat
[21:53] <+connectedgeek-2> pull from
[21:54] <+connectedgeek-2> we had a request to see the archive from today's chat
[21:54] <+connectedgeek-2> i have it save on my mirc
[21:54] <+connectedgeek-2> however, if there is an understand from the people in the room that this is being archived
[21:55] <+connectedgeek-2> ie RSS to google reader for example
[21:55] <+connectedgeek-2> it would be nice to have
[21:55] <@BankaiNetworks> In linux, it wouldngt be hard
[21:55] <@BankaiNetworks> wouldnt
[21:55] <+connectedgeek-2> dont know how do it that
[21:55] <+connectedgeek-2> i am a windows guy
[21:55] <+connectedgeek-2> :(
[21:55] <+connectedgeek-2> sad for me
[21:56] <@BankaiNetworks> Windows is different because Microsoft likes to lock files
[21:56] <+connectedgeek-2> oh so true
[21:57] <@BankaiNetworks> you would have to have something check the log file at intervals and then stream the lines.
[21:57] <+connectedgeek-2> i wish there was a program... either on the web or a windows (or linux) client that did that
[21:57] <@BankaiNetworks> Might be able to make a little VB daemon or something
[21:57] <+connectedgeek-2> ooooo a hummingbird
[21:57] <@BankaiNetworks> heh yeah
[21:57] <+connectedgeek-2> it's gone :(
[21:58] <+connectedgeek-2> u can?
[21:58] <+connectedgeek-2> wow
[21:58] <+connectedgeek-2> that would be awesome
[21:58] <+connectedgeek-2> i am a network guy not a programmer
[21:58] <@BankaiNetworks> Let me think on how to interface the irc channel.
[21:58] <@BankaiNetworks> I do it all. =]
[21:58] <+connectedgeek-2> it's back
[21:59] <@BankaiNetworks> technically IRC is telnet over port 6667
[21:59] <+connectedgeek-2> would mirc be able to do it
[22:00] <+connectedgeek-2> i have it and i have it save my chats to a log file
[22:00] <@BankaiNetworks> I might be able to use a VB WIndows API to telnet into a server and join a channel and then do somethi ng with the info it reads
[22:00] <@BankaiNetworks> You want to use APIs if you write code so you retain better control
[22:00] <+connectedgeek-2> ahhh
[22:01] <+connectedgeek-2> its all greek to me
[22:01] <+connectedgeek-2> i know a little HTML
[22:01] <+connectedgeek-2> enough to build blogs and mini-websites for family and friends :)
[22:01] <@BankaiNetworks> Using APIs, you're not fighting the timing between two application events.
[22:01] <+connectedgeek-2> cool
[22:01] <+connectedgeek-2> i am not asking you do it
[22:01] <@BankaiNetworks> Do you know VB at all?
[22:02] <+connectedgeek-2> no
[22:02] <@BankaiNetworks> It's really easy
[22:02] <+connectedgeek-2> ok
[22:02] <+connectedgeek-2> i have all of the tools though
[22:02] <+connectedgeek-2> we are a MS shop
[22:02] <+connectedgeek-2> and i get all of the software
[22:03] <@BankaiNetworks> The Visual Basic guide to the Win32 API was very instrumental in helping me write good VB code that was really useful.
[22:03] <+connectedgeek-2> have you played with the VB studio?
[22:03] <@BankaiNetworks> It shows you how to make function calls against what DLL files to make the system do the things you want it to do.
[22:04] <+connectedgeek-2> i am going to DL soon and play with
[22:04] <@BankaiNetworks> I go back to VB 3.0, which was the 16-bit version.
[22:04] <+connectedgeek-2> wowo
[22:04] <+connectedgeek-2> old time programmer ;)
[22:04] <@BankaiNetworks> Been around the block a few times. heh
[22:05] <@BankaiNetworks> The'll always start you on the old Hello World application.
[22:05] <+connectedgeek-2> hardware and server OS's is what i do mostly
[22:05] <@BankaiNetworks> Learning how to code will open your eyes as to what the OS and the hardware is really doing. =]
[22:06] <@BankaiNetworks> under the hood
[22:06] <@BankaiNetworks> It goes deeper, but VB is a scratch under the surface.
[22:06] <+connectedgeek-2> i like web stuff
[22:06] <+connectedgeek-2> i want to learn php
[22:06] <+connectedgeek-2> and stuff like that
[22:06] <@BankaiNetworks> Eventually everything breaks down to Assembly and Binary
[22:07] <@BankaiNetworks> php.net is the best resource for php
[22:07] <+connectedgeek-2> cool thx
[22:08] <@BankaiNetworks> Theres an app that I'm trying to remember the name where it's a php IDE and had a great php reference built in.
[22:08] <@BankaiNetworks> let me see if I can find it. give me a sec
[22:08] <+connectedgeek-2> ok
[22:09] <@theagent> EasyPHP
[22:10] <@BankaiNetworks> I think I had a different one in mind, but that'll probably do the trick as well.
[22:10] <+connectedgeek-2> so website in a can
[22:11] <@theagent> based on Eclipse?
[22:12] <@BankaiNetworks> I dont think it is based on Eclispe
[22:12] <@BankaiNetworks> running a search now. Too many layers of warez. heh
[22:13] <@theagent> you talking about the one that Dave uses?
[22:13] <@theagent> XMMP or something like that
[22:13] <@BankaiNetworks> I dont know what Dave uses
[22:13] <+connectedgeek-2> oh yeah
[22:13] <@theagent> oh.. he has another one...
[22:13] <+connectedgeek-2> i have heard of that
[22:13] <@theagent> I like EasyEclipsePHP the most
[22:14] <@BankaiNetworks> Dont think so. Give me a few and it should come up in my search. (I hope) heh
[22:14] <@theagent> it's one of the best damn IDE's out
[22:14] <@BankaiNetworks> EasyEclispe is really good. I recommend it as well
03[22:15] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v jcposner
[22:15] <+connectedgeek-2> to loud
[22:15] <@BankaiNetworks> I think it was called PHP Dev.
[22:15] <@BankaiNetworks> Looking at it right now
[22:18] <@BankaiNetworks> I think PHP Dev is what I was thinking of. It installed Apache on my box. Hopefully it doesnt screw up my other apache install.
[22:19] <+connectedgeek-2> ooops
[22:19] <@BankaiNetworks> No uninstall for PHP Dev either. this sucks.
[22:20] <@BankaiNetworks> Better off sticking to the EasyEcipsePHP
[22:21] <+connectedgeek-2> ok
[22:21] <+connectedgeek-2> have you heard of "irc feed reader"?
[22:22] <@BankaiNetworks> No. Never heard of it.
[22:22] <+connectedgeek-2> mahalo uses a simular feed to populate their IRC at #mahalo on freenode
[22:23] <@BankaiNetworks> Probably using linux
[22:27] <@BankaiNetworks> brb. need to run to the store and get some more AAA batteries.
[22:27] <@BankaiNetworks> Hate it when <censored> goes dead on me. heh
[22:27] <+connectedgeek-2> bummer
[22:27] <+connectedgeek-2> later
[22:27] <+connectedgeek-2> thx
[22:28] <@BankaiNetworks> No worries. I'll be back shortly
[22:29] <+connectedgeek-2> http://sourceforge.net/projects/xampp/
[22:29] <+connectedgeek-2> here it is
[22:31] <+connectedgeek-2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMP_Packages
[22:58] <@BankaiNetworks> Nice
[22:59] <+connectedgeek-2> truly