NewsGang and Gillmor Gang IRC Transcripts for 05/07/2008

Gillmor Gang 05.07.08

NewsGang Live 05.07.08

Session Start: Wed May 07 00:00:02 2008
Session Ident: #techaura
2008/05/07 [00:00] <+WebPixie> yes, i think maybe they do need to be reminded of that
2008/05/07 [00:01] <+Michael0001> I just hope that she doesn't get the VP spot
2008/05/07 [00:01] <+Michael0001> someone needs to quickly mention the cabinet position
2008/05/07 [00:01] <+Michael0001> maybe Health and Human Services
2008/05/07 [00:02] <+Michael0001> give her a title with no real power
2008/05/07 [00:02] <+WebPixie> she could be like a dem-cheney if she were vp HHS, that wouldwork
2008/05/07 [00:03] <+WebPixie> she would know it was a slap, she should go for statesman senator and run again when she's 90
2008/05/07 [00:04] <+Michael0001> idiot reporters, Obama HAS won tonight, he's increased his delagate lead.
2008/05/07 [00:05] <+WebPixie> watching cnn now and they're trying to stir up a controversey about the hillary votes in lake county not yet being reported
2008/05/07 [00:06] <+WebPixie> the mayors have turned in their results but the county and party hasn't reported them yet, according to the hammond mayor
2008/05/07 [00:06] <+Michael0001> well msnbc finally admitted, "this is all for just one delagate"
2008/05/07 [00:08] <+WebPixie> finally!
2008/05/07 [00:11] <+Michael0001> enjoy, i'll wake up in the morning and watch Hillary's consession speech.
2008/05/07 [00:12] <+WebPixie> yep!
Session Close: Wed May 07 10:20:24 2008

Session Start: Wed May 07 10:20:24 2008
Session Ident: #techaura
022008/05/07 [10:20] * Disconnected
Session Close: Wed May 07 10:20:28 2008

Session Start: Wed May 07 11:05:26 2008
Session Ident: #techaura
Session Close: Wed May 07 11:05:26 2008

Session Start: Wed May 07 11:05:26 2008
Session Ident: #techaura
032008/05/07 [11:05] * Now talking in #techaura
032008/05/07 [11:05] * Topic is 'NewsGang Live simulcast is at 1:00 PST'
032008/05/07 [11:05] * Set by theagent on Mon May 05 14:45:14
032008/05/07 [11:05] * c.ustream.tv sets mode: +v ConnectedGeek
012008/05/07 [11:15] <+ConnectedGeek> john?
012008/05/07 [11:15] <+ConnectedGeek> is there a way to save your "state" in mirc?
2008/05/07 [11:26] <@BankaiNetworks> what do u mean?
012008/05/07 [11:32] <+ConnectedGeek> my screen setup, my logins and views, etc...
2008/05/07 [11:33] <@BankaiNetworks> in MIRC?
012008/05/07 [11:33] <+ConnectedGeek> yes
2008/05/07 [11:34] <@BankaiNetworks> Ahh. I'll have to check and see. I'm not sur off the top of my ha =]
2008/05/07 [11:34] <@BankaiNetworks> head
2008/05/07 [11:34] <@BankaiNetworks> sorry
2008/05/07 [11:34] <@BankaiNetworks> messed up kb
012008/05/07 [11:34] <+ConnectedGeek> np
012008/05/07 [11:34] <+ConnectedGeek> :)
2008/05/07 [11:35] <@BankaiNetworks> cool
2008/05/07 [11:35] <@BankaiNetworks> brb. switching systems
012008/05/07 [11:36] <+ConnectedGeek> k
2008/05/07 [11:39] <@BankaiNetworks-1> Hmm. Nick collisions. Hmm
2008/05/07 [11:44] <@BankaiNetworks-1> CG. Check out options Windows -> Group
2008/05/07 [11:45] <@BankaiNetworks-1> I think thats what you're looking for for MIRC to remember window pane locations, etc
012008/05/07 [11:48] <+ConnectedGeek> yes
012008/05/07 [11:48] <+ConnectedGeek> let me check
2008/05/07 [11:48] <@BankaiNetworks-1> k
2008/05/07 [11:53] <@BankaiNetworks-1> Also check Tools -> Options -> Display -> Options
2008/05/07 [13:30] <@BankaiNetworks-1> .
2008/05/07 [13:30] <@BankaiNetworks-1> .
2008/05/07 [13:46] <@theagent> tinagillmor: are we doing a gang at 10:45?
032008/05/07 [13:51] * theagent changes topic to 'Gillmor Gang Simulcast at 2:00 PST followed by NewsGang Live at 3:00 PST'
032008/05/07 [13:59] * ustreamer-53109 is now known as derek-6983
2008/05/07 [14:00] <derek-6983> so with Gillmor Gang back, is NewsGang still going to be politics with occasional tech, or just sticking to politics?
2008/05/07 [14:53] <ustreamer-97160> I imagine News Gang Live will stick with politics until there isn;t anything to talk about anymore - or the election, whichever comes first :)
2008/05/07 [15:01] <+planetsab> mmh, GG limited to one hour?
2008/05/07 [15:55] <+Michael0001> Jerry, you sure the 2pst start? i thought there was a twitter saying 1pst
2008/05/07 [15:56] <+Michael0001> my bad, nevermind... see you in an hour
2008/05/07 [16:17] <+Jari_Ra> @jerry We were a little bit late with our signing up to the VC-event in Helsinki, but we got an invitation to the event... At least we get to see how those events are like...
2008/05/07 [16:37] <ustreamer-37350> cool. anyone use beemba?
2008/05/07 [16:37] <ustreamer-37350> or claimid?
2008/05/07 [16:42] <+poisonpill097> uh. are those countries ?
2008/05/07 [16:43] <+poisonpill097> lemme guess. more web 2.0 conferences that I could care less about
2008/05/07 [16:45] <+poisonpill097> hey Bankai. yea. it WAS a port issue
2008/05/07 [16:46] <+poisonpill097> didn't make the proper security provisions in my hardware.
2008/05/07 [16:50] <+poisonpill097> *yawn
2008/05/07 [16:50] <+poisonpill097> so was there ever a show last night ?
2008/05/07 [16:53] <+poisonpill097> wtf is wrong with you people ?
2008/05/07 [16:56] <+poisonpill097> do you need permission to speak or something ?
2008/05/07 [16:58] <+Michael0001-1> two of me?
2008/05/07 [16:58] <+Michael0001-1> oh, duh
2008/05/07 [16:58] <+Michael0001> was looking in a mirror
2008/05/07 [17:00] <@stevegillmor> jerry don't see co host button
2008/05/07 [17:00] <+mterenzio> I hope we aren't going to talk about Java. ; )
2008/05/07 [17:00] <+poisonpill097> CNN would be a little more professional with their setup
2008/05/07 [17:01] <@theagent> just reset the cohost.. let me know if you see it
2008/05/07 [17:02] <+Michael0001> Java or Burma? Death toll keeps changing, now 100,000 plus
2008/05/07 [17:03] <+poisonpill097> Burma. please. don't buy into that pentagon spin. they just want another reason to sell rifles and rocket launchers
032008/05/07 [17:04] * ustreamer-36897 is now known as mojo-9754
2008/05/07 [17:04] <@TinaGillmor> do you have audio?
2008/05/07 [17:04] <+Michael0001> Audio?
2008/05/07 [17:04] <+Michael0001> lol, not here
2008/05/07 [17:04] <mojo-9754> no audio
2008/05/07 [17:04] <+nickreynolds> nothing
2008/05/07 [17:04] <@theagent> just a sec.. dropped out again
2008/05/07 [17:04] <ustreamer-74463> no audio
2008/05/07 [17:05] <ustreamer-74463> yes audio
2008/05/07 [17:05] <ustreamer-43578> got audio now
2008/05/07 [17:06] <+mterenzio> SUn doesn't se Gmail?
2008/05/07 [17:06] <@TinaGillmor> Jerry's callilng bacScoble will join - just called for the code
2008/05/07 [17:06] <@TinaGillmor> audio is lost again
2008/05/07 [17:06] <+mterenzio> audio is choppy
2008/05/07 [17:06] <@theagent> every time he starts talking my freaking call drops
2008/05/07 [17:06] <ustreamer-71158> Very choppy, unusable
2008/05/07 [17:07] <+tomguarriello> no audio here
2008/05/07 [17:07] <+poisonpill097> ah. another example of why the internet is destined to die a most horrible death
2008/05/07 [17:07] <+kr8tr> audious interruptus
2008/05/07 [17:07] <@TinaGillmor> Jerry will call back in - stand by
2008/05/07 [17:07] <@theagent> give me a sec.. let me correct again
2008/05/07 [17:07] <@theagent> sorry everyone...
2008/05/07 [17:07] <+poisonpill097> thats ok. im waiting for a godaddy account change anyways
2008/05/07 [17:07] <+poisonpill097> take your time
2008/05/07 [17:08] <+tomguarriello> hey audio!
2008/05/07 [17:08] <@theagent> sorry everyone... this conference bridge doesn't like VoIP every now and again
2008/05/07 [17:08] <+nickreynolds> i can hear!
2008/05/07 [17:08] <@theagent> who is that speaking?
2008/05/07 [17:08] <+tomguarriello> can we re:ID the speaker?
2008/05/07 [17:09] <+poisonpill097> some dude
2008/05/07 [17:09] <+OliverKohl> Jonathan Schwartz
2008/05/07 [17:09] <+OliverKohl> SUN CEO
2008/05/07 [17:09] <+tomguarriello> got it
2008/05/07 [17:09] <+poisonpill097> oh
2008/05/07 [17:09] <@theagent> no.. that is not JS
2008/05/07 [17:09] <+OliverKohl> But the Pic is
2008/05/07 [17:09] <ustreamer-43578> that does not sound like Schwartz
2008/05/07 [17:09] <@theagent> there was just reference about him
2008/05/07 [17:09] <+OliverKohl> Ohh...sorry ;)
2008/05/07 [17:09] <+OliverKohl> So who is speaking?
2008/05/07 [17:09] <+poisonpill097> did he just say "slick" ?
2008/05/07 [17:09] <+tomguarriello> didn't think Schwartz was a Brit/Aussie
2008/05/07 [17:10] <+OliverKohl> hehe James
2008/05/07 [17:10] <+poisonpill097> Analyst ?
2008/05/07 [17:10] <+poisonpill097> ah. SALES
2008/05/07 [17:10] <@TinaGillmor> James Governer (not sure I'm spelling his name correctly)
2008/05/07 [17:10] <+OliverKohl> Funny guy....say chinposin
2008/05/07 [17:10] <@TinaGillmor> Red Monk
2008/05/07 [17:10] <+poisonpill097> thank you for the full disclosure
2008/05/07 [17:10] <+Louisfriend> Is there a number to call?
2008/05/07 [17:10] <+mterenzio> Does Solaris run on EC2?
2008/05/07 [17:10] <ustreamer-74463> Headsets are cheap nowadays.
2008/05/07 [17:10] <+poisonpill097> I would like more of this
2008/05/07 [17:11] <+poisonpill097> again...nobody needs their hardware
2008/05/07 [17:11] <+tomguarriello> goodbye audio!
2008/05/07 [17:11] <ustreamer-67544> audio gone again
2008/05/07 [17:12] <ustreamer-67544> back
2008/05/07 [17:12] <+tomguarriello> OK, back
2008/05/07 [17:12] <ustreamer-74463> that's it... bye
2008/05/07 [17:12] <mojo-9754> And it's back
2008/05/07 [17:12] <+poisonpill097> sun = overpriced hardware
2008/05/07 [17:12] <@TinaGillmor> DOn't get me started on the headsets - we've tried many and the sound quality has been lacking
2008/05/07 [17:12] <+kr8tr> Plantronics headsets rock - that's all I have used for 6+ years
2008/05/07 [17:12] <ustreamer-56024> Does Open Solaris buy you anything vs. Ubuntu
2008/05/07 [17:12] <+poisonpill097> I think Gillmore is finding out why CNN needs so much money
2008/05/07 [17:12] <mojo-9754> Wow! The audio on this call is the worst I've ever hard on GG
2008/05/07 [17:13] <+OliverKohl> @theagent James twitter account is @monkchips if you need a pic.
2008/05/07 [17:13] <ustreamer-5961> How long does it typically take for the MP3 to post? (any estimates for this show?)
2008/05/07 [17:13] <ustreamer-56024> Itanium is going to eat Sun's lunch
2008/05/07 [17:13] <+Michael0001> MP3 is normally posted between 1 and 16 days
2008/05/07 [17:14] <ustreamer-5961> heh
2008/05/07 [17:14] <ustreamer-56024> I am curious about what James thinks of Itanium
2008/05/07 [17:14] <+poisonpill097> well why is he on the call then ?
2008/05/07 [17:14] <+Michael0001> you'd have to be a normal listener to get that, sorry, he's been doing good to get MP3's posted within a day
2008/05/07 [17:14] <+poisonpill097> lol. I still dont understand why this guy is important. Refresher ?
2008/05/07 [17:15] <+tomguarriello> good question, Scoble
2008/05/07 [17:15] <+poisonpill097> actually. yea. Ive been looking into Amazon
2008/05/07 [17:15] <+poisonpill097> uck. maybe not
2008/05/07 [17:15] <ustreamer-5961> I am a normal listener, but my impreshion was that things were improving.
2008/05/07 [17:16] <+tomguarriello> Sun at how many 9s?
2008/05/07 [17:16] <+poisonpill097> Sun is all things to all developers ?
2008/05/07 [17:16] <+Michael0001> they are inproving, just every now and again there's a pothole on the superhighway
2008/05/07 [17:16] <+poisonpill097> Uh. what ever happened to their great Java development platform ?
2008/05/07 [17:16] <+tomguarriello> follow theQueen
2008/05/07 [17:16] <+poisonpill097> I thought they were making a flash killer
2008/05/07 [17:16] <+poisonpill097> I was real excited to see it
2008/05/07 [17:16] <+poisonpill097> Downloaded SDK and everything
2008/05/07 [17:17] <+poisonpill097> then next thing I know... *poof
2008/05/07 [17:17] <ustreamer-56024> Why haven't they gained traction in the middleware space
2008/05/07 [17:17] <+tomguarriello> Adobe's made the "flash killer"
2008/05/07 [17:17] <ustreamer-56024> IBM ate there lunch for java middleware
2008/05/07 [17:17] <+poisonpill097> well tom. how many people have JAVA versus Flash ?
2008/05/07 [17:17] <+poisonpill097> Linux is a problem ? LOL
2008/05/07 [17:17] <+tomguarriello> everybody's talking Air as a Flash killer, no?
2008/05/07 [17:18] <+poisonpill097> AIR is not a flash killer
2008/05/07 [17:18] <+tomguarriello> then I stand corrected
2008/05/07 [17:18] <+poisonpill097> AIR uses Flash p layer
2008/05/07 [17:18] <+poisonpill097> Adobe tried doing something like air 3 years ago
2008/05/07 [17:18] <+poisonpill097> Macromedia I mean
2008/05/07 [17:18] <+poisonpill097> forgot what it was called
2008/05/07 [17:18] <+poisonpill097> Silverlight ?
2008/05/07 [17:19] <+poisonpill097> no...thats not it
2008/05/07 [17:19] <+poisonpill097> dude. selling more tape ?
2008/05/07 [17:19] <+tomguarriello> Silverlight is MS prod
2008/05/07 [17:19] <+poisonpill097> who is this guy ?
2008/05/07 [17:19] <+tomguarriello> tape??
2008/05/07 [17:19] <+poisonpill097> HD space is WAYYY cheaper than tape
2008/05/07 [17:20] <ustreamer-56024> Sun had some interesting tech called Genie that died on the vine
2008/05/07 [17:20] <ustreamer-56024> distributed tupple spaces
2008/05/07 [17:20] <+OliverKohl> 56024 you mean JINI?
2008/05/07 [17:20] <ustreamer-56024> yes
2008/05/07 [17:21] <ustreamer-56024> very cool dream
2008/05/07 [17:21] <+OliverKohl> I think it still works
2008/05/07 [17:21] <+Michael0001> jerry, thank you for NOT chosing the naked scoble pic
2008/05/07 [17:21] <ustreamer-56024> device cloud
2008/05/07 [17:21] <+tomguarriello> java= overhead?
2008/05/07 [17:21] <+OliverKohl> Silverlight == overhead?
2008/05/07 [17:22] <@TinaGillmor> Steve - you should move around a little bit so people know you're alive
2008/05/07 [17:22] <+poisonpill097> Silverlight = MS crapola
2008/05/07 [17:22] <+tomguarriello> keep up, James!
2008/05/07 [17:22] <+kr8tr> A framework, Java, Silverlight, whatever is NOT overhead if that is the only way the app can talk to the hardware.
2008/05/07 [17:22] <ustreamer-56024> IBM's cloud play is making the conditions for the cloud possible..Google strength is cloud operation
2008/05/07 [17:22] <+kr8tr> These "frameworks" are basically just hardware abstraction layers
2008/05/07 [17:22] <+poisonpill097> I agree 56024
2008/05/07 [17:22] <+poisonpill097> exactly kr8
2008/05/07 [17:23] <+OliverKohl> The best way to abstract the sw from the hw.
2008/05/07 [17:23] <+poisonpill097> its just all hype
2008/05/07 [17:23] <+poisonpill097> I love my MS phone
2008/05/07 [17:23] <+tomguarriello> N95 <censored> web, for sure
2008/05/07 [17:23] <ustreamer-5961> kr8tr -- and libraries and tools and languages
2008/05/07 [17:23] <+kr8tr> It isn;t just hype - whoever wins that battle basically owns the "Desktop 2.0"
2008/05/07 [17:24] <+poisonpill097> I odn't believe in desktop 2.0 so keep telling yourself that
2008/05/07 [17:24] <+tomguarriello> me too, video only reason N95, not a bad Google client
2008/05/07 [17:24] <ustreamer-56024> Does Sun need a compelling consumer story going forward?
2008/05/07 [17:24] <+tomguarriello> but I got it free at Pop!Tech, so can't complain
2008/05/07 [17:24] <mojo-9754> Google Maps very nice on N95, but yeah, the web experience not so good.
2008/05/07 [17:24] <+kr8tr> "don;t believe in Desktop 2.0" - do you think browsers will suddenly incorporate a unified hardware abstraction layer?
2008/05/07 [17:24] <+Michael0001> lol, windows on an iPhone pic
2008/05/07 [17:24] <mojo-9754> Web experience better on Win Mobile than N95
2008/05/07 [17:25] <+poisonpill097> i dont even know what desktop 2.0 is
2008/05/07 [17:25] <mojo-9754> And then even better is iPhone
2008/05/07 [17:25] <+poisonpill097> is that like web 3.0 ?
2008/05/07 [17:25] <+poisonpill097> or web 4.0 ?
2008/05/07 [17:25] <+poisonpill097> whatever happened to web 1.1
2008/05/07 [17:25] <+kr8tr> Desktop 2.0 is the hardware abstraction layer between your PC and Rich Internet Apps (that need to talk to hardware at some level)
2008/05/07 [17:26] <+poisonpill097> ok. uh. the browser doesnt talk to hardware
2008/05/07 [17:26] <+poisonpill097> the browser talks to software that runs the hardware
2008/05/07 [17:26] <+kr8tr> Now you are starting to get it
2008/05/07 [17:26] <ustreamer-56024> maybe they can do something interesting in the telecom-wifi space
2008/05/07 [17:26] <+tomguarriello> now we got some GG language!
2008/05/07 [17:26] <+poisonpill097> I'm starting to get it ? There is no freakin way Im going to run an OS in a browser
2008/05/07 [17:26] <+kr8tr> But you can;t have extremely rich Internet Applications without the hardware abstraction layer
2008/05/07 [17:26] <+poisonpill097> are you F***in joking ?
2008/05/07 [17:27] <+poisonpill097> who cares about RIA
2008/05/07 [17:27] <+poisonpill097> I want to see the money
2008/05/07 [17:27] <+poisonpill097> freakin recession and you are talking about rich internet apps
2008/05/07 [17:27] <+tomguarriello> smoke and mirrors
2008/05/07 [17:27] <+alexbellinger> Sun = Neil Young SAP = Eric Clapton Who = The Beatles?
2008/05/07 [17:27] <+poisonpill097> not if you're Sony
2008/05/07 [17:27] <ustreamer-56024> when will they be a compelling aquisition target?
2008/05/07 [17:28] <+poisonpill097> it is pr crap
2008/05/07 [17:28] <+tomguarriello> who gives a <censored> is right!
2008/05/07 [17:28] <ustreamer-5961> hear hear
2008/05/07 [17:28] <+poisonpill097> inauthentic ?
2008/05/07 [17:28] <ustreamer-56024> their set top play went nowhere
2008/05/07 [17:28] <+poisonpill097> the entire Blogosphere is considered inauthentic
2008/05/07 [17:28] <+tomguarriello> come on, Steve...total BS
2008/05/07 [17:28] <+amarquart> PR crap sells to the regular joe, non-first adopters
2008/05/07 [17:28] <+poisonpill097> so a coked up move star is going ad legitmacy to what ?
2008/05/07 [17:28] <+poisonpill097> rock star
2008/05/07 [17:28] <+poisonpill097> whatever
2008/05/07 [17:29] <ustreamer-703> anyone use beemba?
2008/05/07 [17:29] <+poisonpill097> lol. ENRON !
2008/05/07 [17:29] <+poisonpill097> OH JEEEZ
2008/05/07 [17:29] <+poisonpill097> NOOOO !
2008/05/07 [17:29] <+tomguarriello> it's Olympics time!
2008/05/07 [17:29] <+poisonpill097> yes I will consider Java
2008/05/07 [17:29] <+poisonpill097> I was stoked about it
2008/05/07 [17:29] <ustreamer-5961> I wouldn't tuch java
2008/05/07 [17:29] <+poisonpill097> scripting language USING java
2008/05/07 [17:30] <+kr8tr> MS adding 10,000 new servers to their data centers every month - not for the Mesh platform, but for Silverlight
2008/05/07 [17:30] <+OliverKohl> JavaFX != JavaFX Script
2008/05/07 [17:30] <+tomguarriello> Silverlight=Olymics
2008/05/07 [17:31] <+tomguarriello> lots of WP, for sure
2008/05/07 [17:31] <+poisonpill097> wtf is this guy talking about ?
2008/05/07 [17:31] <ustreamer-703> idiot
2008/05/07 [17:31] <+kr8tr> I have a beta of a plugin that backs up WP to Mesh and it is FREE - how does Sun charge for that?
2008/05/07 [17:31] <+poisonpill097> just spurting out software
2008/05/07 [17:31] <ustreamer-703> word the to the wise. the gilmore gang is not super technical
2008/05/07 [17:32] <+poisonpill097> its not
2008/05/07 [17:32] <ustreamer-5961> Silverlight (>= 2.0) == an amazing and enticing dev platform
2008/05/07 [17:32] <+poisonpill097> 5961. tell me one thing silverlight can do that flash can not
2008/05/07 [17:32] <ustreamer-5961> "gilmore gang is not super technical" -- yep
2008/05/07 [17:32] <+tomguarriello> hey GG can get really technical for humans
2008/05/07 [17:32] <+kr8tr> @poison - "deep zooming"
2008/05/07 [17:32] <+tomguarriello> the deal is done!!
2008/05/07 [17:32] <+poisonpill097> "deep zooming" ? That can be done in flash
2008/05/07 [17:33] <ustreamer-5961> can you use .net in flash?
2008/05/07 [17:33] <+kr8tr> no, it cannot
2008/05/07 [17:33] <+poisonpill097> i think flash is limited by the programmer
2008/05/07 [17:33] <+poisonpill097> I dont want to use .net
2008/05/07 [17:33] <ustreamer-5961> others do
2008/05/07 [17:33] <+poisonpill097> and yes, kr8. it can. I have done it
2008/05/07 [17:33] <+tomguarriello> JS has been way ahead of others, for sure
2008/05/07 [17:33] <ustreamer-56024> I thought there has been a huge brain drain at Sun
2008/05/07 [17:33] <ustreamer-5961> its not so muhc about what you can do, but how easaly you can do it
2008/05/07 [17:33] <+kr8tr> @poson - I call BS - send me a URL
2008/05/07 [17:33] <+poisonpill097> the client paid for it. you, kr8, have not
2008/05/07 [17:34] <ustreamer-703> http://www.beemba.com/
2008/05/07 [17:34] <+kr8tr> nice evasion, poison
2008/05/07 [17:34] <+tomguarriello> Gerstner's IBM turnaround was epic!
2008/05/07 [17:34] <ustreamer-5961> there is a product that does something similar on flash
2008/05/07 [17:34] <+poisonpill097> if you are a good programmer, you can do anything
2008/05/07 [17:34] <ustreamer-5961> heh
2008/05/07 [17:34] <+poisonpill097> I dont understand what the big fuss is
2008/05/07 [17:34] <+kr8tr> @poison - I can tell you aren;t a programmer. A developer can only do what tools and platforms allow them to do
2008/05/07 [17:35] <+poisonpill097> I guess you havent been brought up to speed on the new AS3 libraries
2008/05/07 [17:35] <ustreamer-5961> no kr8tr -- RIA apps in assembly
2008/05/07 [17:35] <+poisonpill097> did you even know AS3 is class based now.
2008/05/07 [17:35] <+tomguarriello> IBM's consulting business? Google??
2008/05/07 [17:35] <+tomguarriello> huge revenue there
2008/05/07 [17:36] <ustreamer-703> solaris is dead
2008/05/07 [17:36] <ustreamer-703> open sourcing is always the first sign of impending death
2008/05/07 [17:36] <+poisonpill097> nothing a good admin CAN'T do
2008/05/07 [17:36] <+kr8tr> @poison - did you even know that MS makes the most widely used IDE on the planet - and that won;t change quickly, if at all in my lifetime? And that they own that market, and that will drive more Silverlight adoption that even the Olympics?
2008/05/07 [17:36] <ustreamer-5961> re gg is not super technical -- i'm still wating for jon udell to come back :)
2008/05/07 [17:37] <ustreamer-703> mature
2008/05/07 [17:37] <+poisonpill097> oh, kr8...you mean the most vulnerable platform on the planet ?
2008/05/07 [17:37] <ustreamer-703> yes
2008/05/07 [17:37] <ustreamer-703> it should be admitted to an seniors home
2008/05/07 [17:37] <+kr8tr> MS's IDE is vulnerable?
2008/05/07 [17:37] <+kr8tr> To what?
2008/05/07 [17:37] <ustreamer-703> vulnerable to what?
2008/05/07 [17:37] <+poisonpill097> oh i don't know. HACKERS
2008/05/07 [17:37] <ustreamer-703> uhm
2008/05/07 [17:37] <ustreamer-703> what?
2008/05/07 [17:37] <ustreamer-703> it's the most commonly attacked
2008/05/07 [17:37] <+tomguarriello> Ms
2008/05/07 [17:37] <+kr8tr> NO, that is the APPLICATIONS that are vulnerable - and that is NOT MS's doing, but sloppy programming
2008/05/07 [17:38] <ustreamer-703> it's also the most prevalent
2008/05/07 [17:38] <+poisonpill097> you dont think I can't hijack Silverlight sessions that fail to authenticate with the browser ?
2008/05/07 [17:38] <ustreamer-5961> lol
2008/05/07 [17:38] <+kr8tr> I don;t think you could hijack your grandmom's car keys
2008/05/07 [17:38] <ustreamer-703> poisonpill, session hijacking requires man in the middle and or an application layer flaw
2008/05/07 [17:38] <+tomguarriello> what else would Yang say?
2008/05/07 [17:38] <ustreamer-703> e.g. xss or xsrf
2008/05/07 [17:38] <+poisonpill097> right
2008/05/07 [17:38] <+poisonpill097> adobe solved that prob
2008/05/07 [17:38] <ustreamer-703> that has nothing to do with the application
2008/05/07 [17:38] <ustreamer-703> adobe dide?
2008/05/07 [17:39] <ustreamer-703> with what?
2008/05/07 [17:39] <+tomguarriello> analyical thinking is WAAAY overrated
2008/05/07 [17:39] <+poisonpill097> dude. im talking msoft. im not talking the app developer
2008/05/07 [17:39] <+tomguarriello> this fellow is delusional, isn't he?
2008/05/07 [17:39] <ustreamer-703> IIS6 hasn't had a single remote vulnerability in its lifetime
2008/05/07 [17:39] <+kr8tr> MS IDE is vulnerable to what then? Explain yourself? You make no sense
2008/05/07 [17:39] <+davidpaulyoung> james doesn't know about facebook developers, joyent does
2008/05/07 [17:39] <ustreamer-703> can apache 2 say that?
2008/05/07 [17:39] <ustreamer-703> no
2008/05/07 [17:39] <+davidpaulyoung> developers are not abandoning the facebook platform
2008/05/07 [17:40] <+poisonpill097> i make no sense because you have no idea what im talking about
2008/05/07 [17:40] <ustreamer-703> no i don't
2008/05/07 [17:40] <ustreamer-703> spoon feed it please
2008/05/07 [17:40] <+kr8tr> IYOU have no idea what you are talking about, so it is understandable that the rest of us are confused.
2008/05/07 [17:40] <+poisonpill097> Flash player has a stringent security policy
2008/05/07 [17:40] <ustreamer-703> sure
2008/05/07 [17:40] <ustreamer-703> it's sandboxed
2008/05/07 [17:40] <+kr8tr> Flash player HAS been hijacked in the past. Go on.
2008/05/07 [17:40] <+poisonpill097> because of security breaches through vid and audio streams
2008/05/07 [17:40] <+poisonpill097> exactly
2008/05/07 [17:41] <ustreamer-703> dude
2008/05/07 [17:41] <+davidpaulyoung> developers don't want to adopt opensolaris for web applications
2008/05/07 [17:41] <+poisonpill097> tell me what ms has done to solve that problem
2008/05/07 [17:41] <+tomguarriello> de-lus-ion-al
2008/05/07 [17:41] <+davidpaulyoung> joyent is the biggest opensolaris site...and solaris is a boat anchor in the developer sell
2008/05/07 [17:41] <+kr8tr> What MS has done to prevent Flash from getting hacked?
2008/05/07 [17:41] <ustreamer-703> in case you don't recall
2008/05/07 [17:41] <+tomguarriello> another very bad sign,
2008/05/07 [17:41] <+poisonpill097> silverlight from being hacked
2008/05/07 [17:41] <+tomguarriello> Valleywag??
2008/05/07 [17:41] <+davidpaulyoung> but great for services providers like joyent
2008/05/07 [17:42] <ustreamer-703> A flash flaw was the reason for all the uproar at the RSA conference two weeks ago
2008/05/07 [17:42] <+tomguarriello> keep him talking, Steve!
2008/05/07 [17:42] <ustreamer-703> Flash is hardly invulnerable
2008/05/07 [17:42] <ustreamer-703> http://www.itnews.com.au/News/NewsStory.aspx?story=74419
2008/05/07 [17:42] <+tomguarriello> roll up those roaming charges!
2008/05/07 [17:42] <+poisonpill097> right 703. so I want to know what MS is doing when people DO start using their app
2008/05/07 [17:42] <@theagent> Dana?
2008/05/07 [17:42] <+kr8tr> Silverlight WILL be hacked. EVERYTHING will be hacked. What is important is how quickly those instances are addressed - and right now, nobody is as good at rapidly adressing security issues as MS. Certainly not Linux, and we know not the Mac.
2008/05/07 [17:43] <+poisonpill097> thats to say that admins even allow Silverlight Active X policies
2008/05/07 [17:43] <+davidpaulyoung> 95% of sun servers in the wild run linux
2008/05/07 [17:43] <ustreamer-703> poison, they're no different than anyone else
2008/05/07 [17:43] <+poisonpill097> ok kr8. AND THAT IS MY POINT
2008/05/07 [17:43] <ustreamer-703> if flaws are identified, they'll fix them
2008/05/07 [17:43] <+poisonpill097> youw ant to wait for MS to fix those flaws ?
2008/05/07 [17:43] <ustreamer-703> Silverlight isn't activex
2008/05/07 [17:43] <+kr8tr> ok, poison... still no clue what your point is.
2008/05/07 [17:43] <+davidpaulyoung> network.com?
2008/05/07 [17:43] <+poisonpill097> I had to activate active x policies just to install silverlight
2008/05/07 [17:44] <+poisonpill097> so i never did
2008/05/07 [17:44] <ustreamer-56024> whatever happen to data center in a box?
2008/05/07 [17:44] <+davidpaulyoung> in version 1 the VMs couldn't get to the internet
2008/05/07 [17:44] <+kr8tr> MS fixes flaws quicker than any other company - read some more, then come back - say in 18 months, and we'll chat.
2008/05/07 [17:44] <+poisonpill097> kr8...you are freakin on crack
2008/05/07 [17:44] <+poisonpill097> I guess you are a big fan of vista
2008/05/07 [17:44] <+poisonpill097> pretty reliable, huh
2008/05/07 [17:44] <+kr8tr> But I know what I am talking about. You, kind sir, do not.
2008/05/07 [17:45] <+poisonpill097> well i make money doing flash, not silverlight
2008/05/07 [17:45] <ustreamer-5961> kr8tr is correct re ms and security
2008/05/07 [17:45] <+poisonpill097> everyone who wants to pay me, pays me to do flash, not silverlight
2008/05/07 [17:45] <ustreamer-5961> silverlight is new -- this is true
2008/05/07 [17:46] <+poisonpill097> just because the MS pays however much for Olympic sponsoring doesn't tell me anything
2008/05/07 [17:46] <+poisonpill097> Flash is clearly used EVERYWHERE
2008/05/07 [17:46] <ustreamer-5961> from a dev perspective, silverlight looks great.
2008/05/07 [17:46] <+kr8tr> Vista? Sure, I have it on 4 machines. Runs well. New hardware, of course. Try running OSX 7 on a new MacBook Pro - oh, you can;t. Because the hardware changed, and Apple never wrote drivers. THAT is 99% of the issue with Vista - old drivers. But I also run a Mac, and several Linux/XP machines
2008/05/07 [17:46] <+poisonpill097> this is like...an Obama and Clinton debate here
2008/05/07 [17:46] <+OliverKohl> @poison except on the iPhone
2008/05/07 [17:47] <+poisonpill097> ok kr8. give me your IP and call me back tomorrow
2008/05/07 [17:47] <ustreamer-5961> ...and its current velocity is quite impressive
2008/05/07 [17:47] <+poisonpill097> yea I know Oliver.
2008/05/07 [17:47] <+kr8tr> @poison - if you are a hacker, you wouldn't even *need* to ask for my IP address
2008/05/07 [17:47] <+poisonpill097> if Flash developers could make their own stuff for the iPhone, Jobs couldn't control the app exchange
2008/05/07 [17:48] <+OliverKohl> @poison you still can do nice web sites for the iPhone
2008/05/07 [17:48] <+poisonpill097> i dont have an iphone, so i wouldn't know
2008/05/07 [17:49] <+OliverKohl> Look at Google, RTM, Netvibes, etc.
2008/05/07 [17:49] <+tomguarriello> that's pretty damning
2008/05/07 [17:49] <+OliverKohl> Sure, because of no Flash.
2008/05/07 [17:49] <+Michael0001> how does putting MySQL on a web box make it a cloud computer?
2008/05/07 [17:50] <+tomguarriello> too late to the cloud party?
2008/05/07 [17:50] <+poisonpill097> I have no idea what this "cloud" crap is
2008/05/07 [17:50] <ustreamer-96868> who is this talking now?
2008/05/07 [17:50] <+poisonpill097> is that like... web 4.2 ?
2008/05/07 [17:50] <+tomguarriello> dana gardner
2008/05/07 [17:50] <ustreamer-96868> thank you
2008/05/07 [17:51] <+tomguarriello> tetrahydrozine!
2008/05/07 [17:51] <+poisonpill097> hmmm. Sun should be acquired by Adobe
2008/05/07 [17:51] <+poisonpill097> mesh m2 ?
2008/05/07 [17:51] <+poisonpill097> lol
2008/05/07 [17:51] <+OliverKohl> And Adobe by Apple
2008/05/07 [17:51] <+poisonpill097> wtf is that ?
2008/05/07 [17:51] <+poisonpill097> I agree with that.
2008/05/07 [17:51] <+OliverKohl> And Apple by Google?
2008/05/07 [17:51] <+poisonpill097> then Apple can pay me for my MS licenses that I want to get rid of
2008/05/07 [17:51] <+tomguarriello> so, Steve, is Sun dead??
2008/05/07 [17:52] <ustreamer-56024> Sun needs to move to the free model, free everything from storage to bandwidth and try to advertise around it
2008/05/07 [17:52] <+kr8tr> What MS Mesh does that will be important is they have a client that let's me attach to my mesh as a simple drive letter - this opens a huge window for applications during the transition to an actual "Internet Operating System"
2008/05/07 [17:52] <+poisonpill097> which can be hacked, kr8
2008/05/07 [17:52] <+poisonpill097> when I do backup. I turn OFF internet
2008/05/07 [17:52] <+poisonpill097> wtf do I want to be ON the internet to access my hard drive ?
2008/05/07 [17:52] <+kr8tr> EVERYTHING can be hacked - that argument is silly
2008/05/07 [17:52] <+poisonpill097> argument is silly ?
2008/05/07 [17:53] <+poisonpill097> 1 out of every 4 machines have been compromised
2008/05/07 [17:53] <+poisonpill097> so what you are saying...is that you want giant botnet armies to just get bigger ?
2008/05/07 [17:53] <+kr8tr> contending that something is bad because it can be hacked is silly - if everything can be hacked (and it can be)
2008/05/07 [17:53] <+tomguarriello> deadpool??
2008/05/07 [17:53] <+poisonpill097> ok. lets connect the botnet to every device that plugs into it
2008/05/07 [17:53] <+poisonpill097> thats smart
2008/05/07 [17:53] <+poisonpill097> its not that it CAN be hacked
2008/05/07 [17:54] <+poisonpill097> its that these machines HAVE been hacked
2008/05/07 [17:54] <+poisonpill097> put Mesh with Windows 7
2008/05/07 [17:54] <+tomguarriello> so, Sun's not dead?
2008/05/07 [17:54] <+poisonpill097> require people to reinstall the OS
2008/05/07 [17:54] <ustreamer-5961> uhg -- poisonpill -- come off it
2008/05/07 [17:54] <+poisonpill097> then lock it down
2008/05/07 [17:54] <+kr8tr> Poison - I really wish you could decide what point you want to debate, instead of just moving the target on every exchange
2008/05/07 [17:54] <+poisonpill097> Im not debating. you apparently are
2008/05/07 [17:55] <+Michael0001> not as much debating, more a contradiction.
2008/05/07 [17:55] <+tomguarriello> thanks, Steve
2008/05/07 [17:55] <+poisonpill097> :-)
2008/05/07 [17:55] <+Michael0001> monty Python Aguement vs contradiction skit
2008/05/07 [17:55] <+kr8tr> debating is the exchange of valuable ideas/opinions/introspection - so I agree with you. I am debating and you are not.
2008/05/07 [17:55] <+poisonpill097> how subjective is that definition
2008/05/07 [17:56] <ustreamer-5961> heh -- who is that guy in the pic
2008/05/07 [17:56] <+kr8tr> share you own definition. Everything else is completely malleable in your hands, why not a definition?
2008/05/07 [17:56] <+poisonpill097> exactly
2008/05/07 [17:56] <+poisonpill097> thats what im saying
2008/05/07 [17:57] <+poisonpill097> tis the downfall of western public policy man
2008/05/07 [17:57] <+poisonpill097> lets put this all into larger context
2008/05/07 [17:57] <+poisonpill097> kr8. you are clearly a MS employee
2008/05/07 [17:57] <+poisonpill097> i want some full disclosure
2008/05/07 [17:57] <+poisonpill097> I have never known ANYBODY on 4 Vista machines
2008/05/07 [17:58] <+poisonpill097> and I will wait for the full disclosure
2008/05/07 [17:59] <+kr8tr> I am not an employee of anyone. I am a consultant. Go read the About page on my blog. Then read my MANY posts that are critical of Vista. Learn a bit, then speak.
2008/05/07 [17:59] <+poisonpill097> where is your blog ?
2008/05/07 [18:00] <+kr8tr> a hacker can find it
2008/05/07 [18:01] <+poisonpill097> because Ive seen way too many MS hacks and have called way too many state agencies to TELL them they have been hacked to take you seriously
2008/05/07 [18:01] <+poisonpill097> a hacker can find it. ok. Are you with Sans or what ?
2008/05/07 [18:01] <+poisonpill097> no..you can't be with Sans because I know they don't operate on Windows machines
2008/05/07 [18:03] <+poisonpill097> ok. so an MSoft Consultant ?
2008/05/07 [18:03] <+poisonpill097> what ? I want to know why you subject yourself to so much pain
2008/05/07 [18:03] <ustreamer-5961> http://lagesse.org/about/
2008/05/07 [18:03] <+poisonpill097> is that his site ?
2008/05/07 [18:05] <+poisonpill097> I'm not bashing anybody here. I just want to know why KR8 is so MS oriented
2008/05/07 [18:05] <+poisonpill097> perhaps hes never seen Ubuntu or worked with Fedora as a server
2008/05/07 [18:07] <+poisonpill097> 5961. who is that ?
2008/05/07 [18:07] <+poisonpill097> whose link did you just send ,e ?
2008/05/07 [18:07] <ustreamer-5961> Lots of people are MS oriented -- they are doing good work.
2008/05/07 [18:08] <ustreamer-67544> music in the background?
2008/05/07 [18:08] <@theagent> nice pr0n music
2008/05/07 [18:08] <ustreamer-67544> :)
2008/05/07 [18:09] <+poisonpill097> im not saying they aren't doing good work
2008/05/07 [18:09] <+poisonpill097> i practically fainted when I installed sp 3
2008/05/07 [18:10] <+poisonpill097> i'm just saying. no head of IT is going to even install Silverlight because it requires an install
2008/05/07 [18:10] <+poisonpill097> Flash was being adopted way before there were even IT departments to install it. So they are WAY ahead in the game
2008/05/07 [18:11] <+poisonpill097> MS is not going to be able to penetrate. Can we say Adobe LiveMotion ?
2008/05/07 [18:12] <ustreamer-5961> SteveG: Can we get some opinions on weather people think that the subtext of Clinton’s resent speeches are starting to set the stage for her to drop out.
2008/05/07 [18:12] <+poisonpill097> same here
2008/05/07 [18:12] <+Michael0001> same here
2008/05/07 [18:12] <+Michael0001> p
2008/05/07 [18:12] <+poisonpill097> The whole point in NOT voting for Clinton is because I DONT want her in
2008/05/07 [18:13] <@theagent> anyone know debbie jones twitter id?
2008/05/07 [18:13] <+cheegers> sup
2008/05/07 [18:13] <+cheegers> obama is cute
2008/05/07 [18:13] <+poisonpill097> smart thing to do ?
2008/05/07 [18:13] <+poisonpill097> what exacty makes it a "smart" thing ?
2008/05/07 [18:14] <+Michael0001> I said it last night, Obama should give Hillary the Health and Human Services cabinet position
2008/05/07 [18:15] <+poisonpill097> I think he should make her head of HUDD
2008/05/07 [18:15] <+alexbellinger> Is this now going to be the politest presidential race in history?
2008/05/07 [18:16] <@theagent> thank you
2008/05/07 [18:16] <+poisonpill097> ungh
2008/05/07 [18:16] <@theagent> @mojosd
2008/05/07 [18:16] <+poisonpill097> lets just talk about silverlight
2008/05/07 [18:17] <+mterenzio> Is sun opensource or is it a strategy? Likewise Do Obama and Hil belog together or is it a strategy
2008/05/07 [18:17] <+poisonpill097> im sick of this crap. it just keeps going on and on. what exactly is there to gain from a political conversation when the process is clearly not political .
2008/05/07 [18:18] <+poisonpill097> what ? you don't think this is just about the military crowning their puppet ?
2008/05/07 [18:19] <+poisonpill097> I don't understand why you want to continue this level of discourse when the citizen's vote doesn't even count anymore
2008/05/07 [18:20] <+Michael0001> I fear hillary as VP will be too much a loud mouth whining to get her projects done
2008/05/07 [18:20] <+amyloo> Just a question: does "it would be bad for the ticket" really mean "I don't like her?"
2008/05/07 [18:20] <ustreamer-5961> I haven’t been following the race for a while -- amazing (unfortunate) how divisive things have gotten. I think Clinton would be a good VP.
2008/05/07 [18:20] <+Michael0001> I don't see her working 'with' President Obama
2008/05/07 [18:21] <+poisonpill097> I think Clinton on the ticket is a requirement by the joint chiefs
2008/05/07 [18:21] <+OliverKohl> So who would be a Obama like VP?
2008/05/07 [18:21] <+poisonpill097> Bloomberg
2008/05/07 [18:22] <+Michael0001> not bloomberg, you need someone who doesn't have thier own adagenda
2008/05/07 [18:22] <+poisonpill097> everybody has their own agenda
2008/05/07 [18:22] <+jcposner> Maybe a Clinton supporter like Evan Byha (sp)
2008/05/07 [18:23] <+poisonpill097> no idea. Obama is PURE libertarian vote
2008/05/07 [18:23] <+poisonpill097> Clinton does not belong on that ticket
2008/05/07 [18:23] <+poisonpill097> Bloomberg does
2008/05/07 [18:23] <+poisonpill097> Clark ? The HAWK ?
2008/05/07 [18:23] <+poisonpill097> wtf ?
2008/05/07 [18:24] <+poisonpill097> telling ya. Obama will be forced to have a pro-war VP
2008/05/07 [18:24] <ustreamer-96868> I would hope we would not just put a women in the VP role because of gender
2008/05/07 [18:24] <ustreamer-96868> I say that as a women
2008/05/07 [18:24] <+amyloo> yes, mo
2008/05/07 [18:24] <+poisonpill097> ok. I will be a bit more rational for a sec
2008/05/07 [18:24] <ustreamer-96868> let's look at who is the best qualified PERSON to fill that role
2008/05/07 [18:24] <+poisonpill097> If Clinton were to have won.
2008/05/07 [18:25] <+poisonpill097> would anybody see her have Obama as the VP ?
2008/05/07 [18:25] <+amyloo> wes clark? not advocating, just throwing out
2008/05/07 [18:25] <+amyloo> caroline kennedy?
2008/05/07 [18:25] <+jcposner> He may pick a nobody ala Dan Qualye except with brains
2008/05/07 [18:25] <+poisonpill097> Obama and Powell
2008/05/07 [18:25] <+mterenzio> would the amount of dems lost if HRC didn't run for VP amount to more than the Republicans that wouldn't vote for Obama if she was on?
2008/05/07 [18:25] <+amyloo> rendell
2008/05/07 [18:25] <+WebPixie> i wonder what edwards would do if asked
2008/05/07 [18:26] <+poisonpill097> throw up probably
2008/05/07 [18:26] <+Michael0001> mterenzio, that's the question of the day
2008/05/07 [18:26] <+poisonpill097> if I had to go for a pro war guy...has to be powell
2008/05/07 [18:26] <+poisonpill097> he at least would think before he had to push a button
2008/05/07 [18:27] <+jcposner> Is there another Southern Dem similar to Edwards that would be a good fit?
2008/05/07 [18:27] <+amyloo> martin sheen
2008/05/07 [18:27] <+poisonpill097> are we going to see a JFK / LBJ type of thing
2008/05/07 [18:27] <+poisonpill097> perhaps someone from FLorida
2008/05/07 [18:27] <+poisonpill097> what are the swing states that the dems need ?
2008/05/07 [18:28] <+Michael0001> maybe someone like Edwards (if he were to publicly state and stand behind Obama's views)
2008/05/07 [18:28] <+poisonpill097> same people would just vote for obama. you dont need hillary
2008/05/07 [18:28] <+jcposner> Claire McCaskill
2008/05/07 [18:28] <+amyloo> somebody with grey hair, maybe
2008/05/07 [18:28] <+poisonpill097> lol
2008/05/07 [18:29] <+Michael0001> lol, steve has grey hair.
2008/05/07 [18:29] <+alexbellinger> McCain would be good
2008/05/07 [18:29] <+poisonpill097> McCain on the Obama ticket ?
2008/05/07 [18:29] <+alexbellinger> sure ;)
2008/05/07 [18:29] <+poisonpill097> that would be an awesome declaration of war man
2008/05/07 [18:29] <+poisonpill097> Obama announced McCain his running mate
2008/05/07 [18:29] <+poisonpill097> I love it
2008/05/07 [18:29] <+Michael0001> Now that would be interesting McCain on Obama ticket and Obama on McCain ticket
2008/05/07 [18:30] <+poisonpill097> haha. that would be awesome
2008/05/07 [18:30] <+Michael0001> Maybe it's time to go back to electing both President and Vice President separately.
2008/05/07 [18:31] <+poisonpill097> I'd just like to see powell
2008/05/07 [18:31] <+poisonpill097> if powell were with Obama, I wouldn't need to vote for McCain
2008/05/07 [18:31] <+Michael0001> I think powell much better on a cabinet
2008/05/07 [18:31] <+poisonpill097> what makes Powell less effective than clinton ?
2008/05/07 [18:32] <+amyloo> to fill in gaps
2008/05/07 [18:32] <+poisonpill097> Clinton as a change agent ?
2008/05/07 [18:32] <+WebPixie> i agree with steve that it would seem like pandering
2008/05/07 [18:32] <+poisonpill097> hmmm...explain that
2008/05/07 [18:32] <+amyloo> broaden hte demos
2008/05/07 [18:32] <+jcposner> Should she stay in till mid June or get out now
2008/05/07 [18:32] <+poisonpill097> so he would want a woman on his ticket ?
2008/05/07 [18:33] <+amyloo> it's like a merger of companies that need the others' offerings, audience
2008/05/07 [18:33] <+poisonpill097> change != woman
2008/05/07 [18:33] <+poisonpill097> change == policy
2008/05/07 [18:33] <+WebPixie> she should've gotten out last night, as far as i'm concerned
2008/05/07 [18:33] <+WebPixie> or earlier, much earlier
2008/05/07 [18:33] <+Michael0001> she needs to stay and raise money to be able to pay back her personal loans to the campain
2008/05/07 [18:33] <+poisonpill097> amyloo...its all run by the military. its not about companies
2008/05/07 [18:33] <+poisonpill097> its about who will go to war against Iran
2008/05/07 [18:33] <+poisonpill097> its always about war
2008/05/07 [18:33] <+amyloo> no idea what you're talking about pp
2008/05/07 [18:34] <+poisonpill097> our GDP is based on war mongering
2008/05/07 [18:34] <+jcposner> I have mixed thoughts staying in helps build the party out in the hinterlands
2008/05/07 [18:34] <+jcposner> but could have a cost to Obama
2008/05/07 [18:34] <+poisonpill097> well if you understood how the military operates, you would understand how the race works
2008/05/07 [18:34] <+amyloo> oh, fine, thanks buddy
2008/05/07 [18:35] <+poisonpill097> when JFK was being sworn in...tell me what was going on at Fort Belvoir
2008/05/07 [18:35] <+poisonpill097> on the same day. tell me what the military was doing
2008/05/07 [18:36] <+poisonpill097> ok. do your research. im gone
2008/05/07 [18:38] <+Michael0001> Obama just has to come out ans state his views, if the people like it, then they will vote for him.
2008/05/07 [18:38] <+amyloo> but since last night, she has been mild
2008/05/07 [18:39] <+WebPixie> her message didn't quite fly though, did it
2008/05/07 [18:40] <+amyloo> and it sounds like she will stay accomodating now
2008/05/07 [18:40] <+amyloo> so far
2008/05/07 [18:40] <+Michael0001> look ahead, stop gas tax, no money to maintain bridges, another Michigan collapse?
2008/05/07 [18:41] <+WebPixie> i only heard her early today and she sounded undeterred, like let's not confuse her with the facts
2008/05/07 [18:41] <+mterenzio> the only network I watched last night is Twitter
2008/05/07 [18:41] <+mterenzio> kinda
2008/05/07 [18:41] <+amyloo> on hardball andrea talked about how all the blackberries were going off on Hill's press plane
2008/05/07 [18:42] <+amyloo> when the russert pronouncement came
2008/05/07 [18:42] <+amyloo> that's when the staff huddled and decided to schedule campaign appearances today
2008/05/07 [18:43] <+WebPixie> instead of her morning show tour?
2008/05/07 [18:43] <+amyloo> i guess so pixie.
2008/05/07 [18:43] <+amyloo> they thought it would prove she's still running more than just talking about still running? dunno
2008/05/07 [18:44] <+WebPixie> sounds right
2008/05/07 [18:44] <+Michael0001> maybe it's just me, but i don't see race / gender an issue in this race, i only see platforms.
2008/05/07 [18:45] <+WebPixie> except when bill starts talking in dixieland
2008/05/07 [18:45] <+mterenzio> me neither Michael but there are plenty out there
2008/05/07 [18:45] <+amyloo> letting their emotions erupt
2008/05/07 [18:45] <+Michael0001> lol, pics, nice
2008/05/07 [18:45] <+amyloo> we're all so invested, i know i am
2008/05/07 [18:47] <+mterenzio> 'wow thats an old one
2008/05/07 [18:50] <+amyloo> true, it took my twitter friend Zik about 1 dya to get over being pissed about the wright repudiation
2008/05/07 [18:51] <+alexbellinger> But Obama's appeal is the same as JFK's - charisma counts.
2008/05/07 [18:53] <+mterenzio> twitter economy
2008/05/07 [18:53] <+amyloo> it's true it's true!
2008/05/07 [18:53] <+amyloo> swiftboating doesn't work so well
2008/05/07 [18:53] <ustreamer-58015> I love your tv stream !
2008/05/07 [18:54] <+amyloo> neither do gimmicks like the gas tax
2008/05/07 [18:54] <+amyloo> we're paying closer attention and seeing through the appeals to dumb <censored>, rove style
2008/05/07 [18:55] <+Michael0001> Hasn't half the Clinton camp already jumped to Obama's ship?
2008/05/07 [18:55] <+amyloo> she does have a history of reconciling with enemies
2008/05/07 [18:55] <+amyloo> who's that pittsburgh publisher guy?
2008/05/07 [18:56] <+amyloo> leader of the VRWC
2008/05/07 [18:56] <+Michael0001> less agressive? i don't see that
2008/05/07 [18:58] <+Michael0001> Obama has always cringed when reporters ask about Hillary as VP
2008/05/07 [18:59] <+Karoli> read reason #4 http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/05/reasons_why_clinton_should_sta.php
2008/05/07 [19:01] <+Michael0001> Karoli, whether the media reports it or not, all this is done behind closed doors. and all answers are rehersed before the question is asked in public
2008/05/07 [19:03] <+amyloo> that's going to happen anyway, the liberal scare thing
2008/05/07 [19:03] <+amyloo> plus even the pickup truck set is starting to doubt the wisdom of trickledown
2008/05/07 [19:04] <+amyloo> i hope
2008/05/07 [19:04] <+Michael0001> #3, if she were to drop out soon, would it be in time to have her name removed from the ballot?
2008/05/07 [19:05] <+Karoli> michael0001 no argument. I thought the frame in #4 was interesting
2008/05/07 [19:06] <+Michael0001> I'll vote for the person who reads the constituion where is states "Congress shall have the power to declare war"
2008/05/07 [19:07] <+mterenzio> right on Michael
2008/05/07 [19:08] <+amyloo> i saw that -
2008/05/07 [19:09] <+amyloo> prok objected of course
2008/05/07 [19:09] <+amyloo> she engaged me last night, i think it was friendly, but not completely sure
2008/05/07 [19:10] <+amyloo> no
2008/05/07 [19:11] <+amyloo> like delicious?
2008/05/07 [19:11] <+amyloo> must be sep element?
2008/05/07 [19:12] <+Michael0001> it must create another new google item with the notes and include the original rss item
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2008/05/07 [19:24] <+amyloo> just tried a share with note, looked at atom feed
2008/05/07 [19:25] <+amyloo> it puts your comment at the top of the content element, in a blockquote
2008/05/07 [19:26] <+mterenzio> bye yall
2008/05/07 [19:26] <+mstearne> thanks steve!
2008/05/07 [19:26] <+alexbellinger> bye guys, thanks all.
2008/05/07 [19:27] <@stevegillmor> thx guys, will have to review the chat looks intertesting
2008/05/07 [19:31] <+amyloo> comment doesn't show up in newsgang -- it must take its content from the original feed?
2008/05/07 [19:46] <@TinaGillmor> JErry - I'm sending you some photos - some candids that you might be able to use in the future
2008/05/07 [19:46] <@TinaGillmor> email
2008/05/07 [19:47] <@stevegillmor> amyloo I will hip Cori to this and see about supporting it
2008/05/07 [20:00] <+amyloo> just discovered something else about that
2008/05/07 [20:00] <+amyloo> on friend feed you can edit your comment
2008/05/07 [20:01] <+amyloo> doesn't seem like it would be important, but I misspelled something and couldn't edit it in reader without unsharing and resharing
2008/05/07 [23:10] <+ConnectedGeek-H> http://mahalo.connectedgeek.net/2008/05/07/mahalo-vlogidol-semi-finalists/
2008/05/07 [23:10] <@BankaiNetworks> .
2008/05/07 [23:10] <@BankaiNetworks> 12345
2008/05/07 [23:10] <+ConnectedGeek-H> 67890
2008/05/07 [23:10] <@BankaiNetworks> =P
2008/05/07 [23:11] <@BankaiNetworks> Is UStream <censored> up?
2008/05/07 [23:11] <+ConnectedGeek-H> not the chat
2008/05/07 [23:12] <+ConnectedGeek-H> i am broadcasting
2008/05/07 [23:12] <@BankaiNetworks> IRC seems fine. Web server seems hosed
2008/05/07 [23:13] <+ConnectedGeek-H> u know i like ustream a lot... but if you had 11 million dollars handed to you
2008/05/07 [23:13] <+ConnectedGeek-H> wouldn't you fix this <censored>
2008/05/07 [23:14] <@BankaiNetworks> sure.. but that doesnt explain the problems with connectivity with their servers
2008/05/07 [23:17] <+ConnectedGeek-H> well i would pay someone to do some field research and test test test
2008/05/07 [23:18] <@BankaiNetworks> probablywont help
2008/05/07 [23:18] <@BankaiNetworks> I think they're network is screwed up or sonething
2008/05/07 [23:19] <+VegasDiva> hi all
2008/05/07 [23:19] <+ConnectedGeek-H> agreed
2008/05/07 [23:19] <@BankaiNetworks> comunications doesnt seem to be working properly even between the irc servers
2008/05/07 [23:19] <@BankaiNetworks> hey
2008/05/07 [23:19] <@BankaiNetworks> Whats happening?
2008/05/07 [23:19] <@BankaiNetworks> ustream seems hosed or something
2008/05/07 [23:20] <+VegasDiva> I see myself in room as VegasDiva but i'm showing up as ustreamer18852
2008/05/07 [23:20] <+VegasDiva> weird
2008/05/07 [23:20] <@BankaiNetworks> I dont think the servers are talking to each other correctly
2008/05/07 [23:20] <@BankaiNetworks> Out of sync or something
2008/05/07 [23:20] <+ConnectedGeek-H> can u see me?
2008/05/07 [23:20] <+ConnectedGeek-H> http://mahalo.connectedgeek.net/2008/05/07/mahalo-vlogidol-semi-finalists/
2008/05/07 [23:20] <+ConnectedGeek-H> ooops
2008/05/07 [23:20] <+ConnectedGeek-H> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/connectedgeek
2008/05/07 [23:21] <@BankaiNetworks> I cant even load the html page for ustream
2008/05/07 [23:21] <+VegasDiva> what the heck
2008/05/07 [23:21] <@BankaiNetworks> I dont know
2008/05/07 [23:21] <@BankaiNetworks> was working fine earlier today
2008/05/07 [23:21] <+VegasDiva> brb... gonna log and back
2008/05/07 [23:21] <@BankaiNetworks> usebingeek - U there?
2008/05/07 [23:22] <@BankaiNetworks> usrbingeek?
2008/05/07 [23:22] <+usrbingeek> BankaiNetworks I'm currently: Out (Need help? Join #help and wait for assistance)
2008/05/07 [23:22] <@BankaiNetworks> the irc admin is out
2008/05/07 [23:22] <+ConnectedGeek-H> oooh clever
2008/05/07 [23:22] <+VegasDiva> hmm
2008/05/07 [23:22] <+VegasDiva> ah there i go
2008/05/07 [23:22] <+ConnectedGeek-H> i want that
2008/05/07 [23:22] <@BankaiNetworks> Cool =]
2008/05/07 [23:23] <+ConnectedGeek-H> irc out of office :)
2008/05/07 [23:32] <@BankaiNetworks> still screwed up
2008/05/07 [23:32] <@BankaiNetworks> I've powercycled everything. It's not on my end
2008/05/07 [23:32] <@BankaiNetworks> WTF
2008/05/07 [23:32] <@BankaiNetworks> !
2008/05/07 [23:32] <@BankaiNetworks> !
2008/05/07 [23:32] <@BankaiNetworks> !
2008/05/07 [23:32] <+ConnectedGeek-H> me either
2008/05/07 [23:33] <+ConnectedGeek-H> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/connectedgeek
2008/05/07 [23:33] <@BankaiNetworks> You cant get ustream either?
2008/05/07 [23:33] <+ConnectedGeek-H> can u see me
2008/05/07 [23:33] <@BankaiNetworks> I cant even get the page to load at all
2008/05/07 [23:33] <@BankaiNetworks> The <censored>*in web server is <censored> up
2008/05/07 [23:33] <@BankaiNetworks> They need to reboot their shbit
2008/05/07 [23:33] <+ConnectedGeek-H> not me
2008/05/07 [23:33] <+ConnectedGeek-H> i can login just fine
2008/05/07 [23:34] <@BankaiNetworks> 5 computers here says I cant
2008/05/07 [23:34] <@BankaiNetworks> WTF
2008/05/07 [23:34] <+ConnectedGeek-H> u r network... i.e. ISP
2008/05/07 [23:34] <@BankaiNetworks> it was fine earlier and everything else works fine and fast
2008/05/07 [23:35] <@BankaiNetworks> only ustream has issue
2008/05/07 [23:35] <+ConnectedGeek-H> well i can get to it and stream just fine
2008/05/07 [23:35] <@BankaiNetworks> I can ping the ips fine
2008/05/07 [23:35] <+ConnectedGeek-H> michigan is safe :)
2008/05/07 [23:35] <@BankaiNetworks> this is pissing me off
2008/05/07 [23:36] <+ConnectedGeek-H> ok... take a deep breath and go outside for a minute
2008/05/07 [23:36] <+ConnectedGeek-H> go get a drink
2008/05/07 [23:36] <+ConnectedGeek-H> it will all be ok :)
2008/05/07 [23:36] <@BankaiNetworks> no
2008/05/07 [23:36] <@BankaiNetworks> screw this
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2008/05/07 [23:37] <+ConnectedGeek-H> well
2008/05/07 [23:37] <+ConnectedGeek-H> sorry john
2008/05/07 [23:37] <+ConnectedGeek-H> see ya
Session Close: Thu May 08 00:00:00 2008