NewsGang and Gillmor Gang IRC Transcripts for 09/19/2008

Gillmor Gang 09.19.09

Session Start: Fri Sep 19 00:00:07 2008
Session Ident: #newsgang-live
2008/09/19 [13:41] <+kshep> hi, jerry. GG at 10:45?
2008/09/19 [13:43] <+rwandering> Good Morning, Jerry
2008/09/19 [13:45] <+kshep> hey robert! how goes?
2008/09/19 [13:48] <+kshep> things just running late?
2008/09/19 [13:48] <+kshep> did hear you jerry
2008/09/19 [13:48] <+kshep> ah
2008/09/19 [13:48] <+kshep> hear steve
2008/09/19 [13:55] <@theagent> tweet the stream
2008/09/19 [14:00] <@theagent> farber and vizard has joined the call
2008/09/19 [14:02] <+kshep> are the facebook guys available for the whole call?
2008/09/19 [14:02] <+amyloo> My 79-year-old father has a FB account so he can see what my kids are doing.
2008/09/19 [14:04] <@TinaGillmor-1> back
2008/09/19 [14:10] <@theagent> identity management
2008/09/19 [14:16] <+jromeh> he's getting really quiet
2008/09/19 [14:19] <+kshep-1> BAH
2008/09/19 [14:19] <+kshep-1> just blew out my headphones
2008/09/19 [14:20] <+jromeh> ken that's cause the facebookers are so quiet ;)
2008/09/19 [14:21] <+kshep-1> what?
2008/09/19 [14:21] <+kshep-1> ;-)
2008/09/19 [14:22] <+jromeh> so 10 safari ?
2008/09/19 [14:22] <+kshep-1> IE6 will be a part of the browser base until those machines themselves are EOL'd
2008/09/19 [14:23] <+jromeh> it's on my work dell, doesn't get upgraded as doesn't get launched ;)
2008/09/19 [14:32] <+rwandering> Did I get muted?
2008/09/19 [14:33] <+kshep-1> you on the call robert? Could here you trying to ask your Q in the background while Steve was changing the subject
2008/09/19 [14:35] <+kshep-1> iotum sorta seems to have an odd half-duplex sorta thing from time to time
2008/09/19 [14:37] <+amyloo> i've had users of my FB apps emailing me asking how to put it on their profile pages
2008/09/19 [14:37] <+amyloo> since the new UI
2008/09/19 [14:38] <+rwandering> My real question for them -- I unfortunately had to drop off -- is why they didn't just use XMPP for their IM in the first place?
2008/09/19 [14:40] <+kshep-1> I'll bet it's because they were thinking of it as a feature within Facebook, rather than an open messaging system.
2008/09/19 [14:42] <+rwandering> Right, but they seem to be re-thinking that.
2008/09/19 [14:44] <+WebPixie> Bet I got here just in time for it to be over, right?
2008/09/19 [14:45] <+kshep-1> yep. maybe part of a larger Copernican shift ;-)
2008/09/19 [14:45] <+kshep-1> sorry, WP... that was at rwandering. Yeah... just wrapped up :-(
2008/09/19 [14:47] <+WebPixie> So sad. Will just have to catch the podcast then. No biggie.
2008/09/19 [14:47] <+WebPixie> Probably better that way so i'm not tempted to type my ignorance in the chat
2008/09/19 [14:47] <+WebPixie> :)
2008/09/19 [15:41] <+roseno> olá!!! I' from Brazil, São Paulo, wat's the city?
2008/09/19 [15:57] <@TinaGillmor> about to bring up NewsGang Live
2008/09/19 [15:58] <@TinaGillmor> jerry... ready?
2008/09/19 [15:59] <@TinaGillmor> Jerry you gonna call in?
2008/09/19 [16:01] <@TinaGillmor> Hi everyone
2008/09/19 [16:01] <@TinaGillmor> stand by while stream comes up
2008/09/19 [16:01] <+jromeh> hey, webpixie, what's happening is that you're pointing at @francine on identi.ca and when it goes across the bridge, that @francine points to this other person, not @hardaway
2008/09/19 [16:02] <@TinaGillmor> thanks Jerry
2008/09/19 [16:02] <+jromeh> so if you leave the @ off, it will not go to twitter's @francine
2008/09/19 [16:02] <@TinaGillmor> link http://www.ustream.tv/channel/NewsGang-Live
2008/09/19 [16:03] <@TinaGillmor> about to start show
2008/09/19 [16:03] <@TinaGillmor> webpixie... you're in but self-muted?
2008/09/19 [16:04] <+WebPixie> yes. thanks for all your efforts the past couple days!
2008/09/19 [16:04] <@TinaGillmor> Didn't think the show started. Did I miss something?
2008/09/19 [16:05] <+WebPixie> i was refilling the kitties' water bowl
2008/09/19 [16:05] <@TinaGillmor> OK if the show hasn't started officially please give us a chance to start the show
2008/09/19 [16:06] <+WebPixie> almost settled and will unmute - hope i'm not in the train yard again today :D
2008/09/19 [16:06] <+kshep> you didn't miss anything, Tina
2008/09/19 [16:06] <+kshep> random blog ranting
2008/09/19 [16:06] <@TinaGillmor> thanks Kshep
2008/09/19 [16:06] <@TinaGillmor> will wait for a pause
2008/09/19 [16:06] <+WebPixie> it said "recording started" as soon as my call connected
2008/09/19 [16:06] <+WebPixie> way synchy
2008/09/19 [16:06] <+kshep> should I say something, Tina? :-)
2008/09/19 [16:07] <+WebPixie> has anyone said "this is newsgang live" yet?
2008/09/19 [16:07] <+kshep> no
2008/09/19 [16:08] <@TinaGillmor> who's here?
2008/09/19 [16:09] <@TinaGillmor> Steve and I are watching whales in between shows
2008/09/19 [16:09] <@TinaGillmor> right from our deck
2008/09/19 [16:09] <+kshep> get the webcam out there, Tina :-)
2008/09/19 [16:10] <@TinaGillmor> so hard to actually catch the action on video tho
2008/09/19 [16:10] <+jromeh> tina, one time at crescent city, my folks had 'em circling and breaching around their little fishing boat !
2008/09/19 [16:10] <@TinaGillmor> KRON4 was out here bout an hour ago
2008/09/19 [16:10] <@TinaGillmor> shh
2008/09/19 [16:11] <+jromeh> near a "bait ball" or school of fish, no camera, so close, got scared and fled
2008/09/19 [16:11] <@TinaGillmor> wow... fun
2008/09/19 [16:11] <+kshep> I haven't put my finger on it exactly, but down at some level way below the surfact there's some irony RE the socialist "commie" liberal croud being so upset about the nationalization of the financial markets
2008/09/19 [16:12] <+kshep> a crowd I consider myself a part of, btw
2008/09/19 [16:12] <@TinaGillmor> link love please http://www.ustream.tv/channel/NewsGang-Live
2008/09/19 [16:13] <+kshep> Would love read what Karl Marx would be blogging about this week
2008/09/19 [16:14] <+jromeh> rt cgerrish rt: @baby_obama Palin clearly lacks judgement; look who she chose as her running mate.
2008/09/19 [16:15] <+jromeh> why, it's me!
2008/09/19 [16:15] <+jromeh> what's the frequency, Kenneth?
2008/09/19 [16:16] <@TinaGillmor> It's Steve's favorite saying now...obviously
2008/09/19 [16:16] <+kshep> I'm actually streaming. Is this simulcast on AM/FM?
2008/09/19 [16:16] <+kshep> What does this have to do with HRC as VP, Charlie?
2008/09/19 [16:17] <@TinaGillmor> right
2008/09/19 [16:20] <@TinaGillmor> who's pitching?
2008/09/19 [16:20] <@TinaGillmor> who's on first?
2008/09/19 [16:20] <@TinaGillmor> Hey, where's Tree Shapiro when you need her?
2008/09/19 [16:21] <+Karoli> http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/vpchange.asp
2008/09/19 [16:22] <+mcdtracy> On one level I see Sarah Palin's allure as "Mrs Smith Goes to Washington". In the Jimmy Stewart model "Mr Smith" was brutally honest about his true nature. He wouldn't pretend to be competant. We need to wait for everyone to see that's she's playing above her game.
2008/09/19 [16:23] <+mcdtracy> "Mr Smith" exposed corruption... Sarah is pretending she will.
2008/09/19 [16:24] <+Karoli> @kshep you might want to read that link
2008/09/19 [16:24] <+mcdtracy> McCain built his political career on this same model.
2008/09/19 [16:25] <@TinaGillmor> people better figure it out BEFORE election day bout Palin
2008/09/19 [16:25] <+mcdtracy> Empty StarBucks cards...
2008/09/19 [16:26] <+mcdtracy> Tina: the wisdom of crowds... give her more exposure and she'll sink herself and McCain.
2008/09/19 [16:26] <@TinaGillmor> Steve carries a Paul McCartney Starbucks card
2008/09/19 [16:26] <+mcdtracy> Of course, Steve thinks confidence is counter productive at this stage... be afraid, very afraid.
2008/09/19 [16:27] <@TinaGillmor> Mcdtracy... that's what I've always felt... even about McCain before Palin... but it better happen fast
2008/09/19 [16:28] <+mcdtracy> I see it happening... My wife went thorugh this process as a Hillary supporter that eventually was totally offended by her ruthlessness (i.e. when she through Ruth under the bus).
2008/09/19 [16:28] <+mcdtracy> Of course, I'm afraid... But I have "hope".
2008/09/19 [16:29] <+mcdtracy> The only thing to fear is "loosing hope."
2008/09/19 [16:29] <+kshep> So when will the troops in Iraq get their senators/reps/electoral votes?
2008/09/19 [16:30] <@TinaGillmor> mcdtracy agreed
2008/09/19 [16:31] <+mcdtracy> Did anyone see Tony Vlair on the Daily Show?
2008/09/19 [16:31] <+mcdtracy> Tony Blair... oops.
2008/09/19 [16:31] <+amarquart> @karoli Yes
2008/09/19 [16:31] <@TinaGillmor> what's up with Tony?
2008/09/19 [16:32] <+mcdtracy> He's teaching at Harvard and defended his decision to invade Iraq and stands by GWB to this day.
2008/09/19 [16:32] <@TinaGillmor> geez
2008/09/19 [16:33] <+mcdtracy> But he was totally candid and likeable in the defense... he sees the middle east as a long term problem and this was one step in a larger process.
2008/09/19 [16:33] <@TinaGillmor> oh pleese Steve... he's fighting
2008/09/19 [16:33] <@TinaGillmor> Bill Clinton is coming out of the woodword again and will be on the air a lot next week
2008/09/19 [16:34] <@TinaGillmor> will be on the View Monday
2008/09/19 [16:34] <@TinaGillmor> woodwork
2008/09/19 [16:34] <+jromeh> then they say he's being a fussy liberal and "pulling at straws" because he's losing
2008/09/19 [16:34] <+mcdtracy> That's good. He's got that ability to convince people about complex issues using simple ideas.
2008/09/19 [16:34] <+hardaway> I hope Bill Clinton will say something good
2008/09/19 [16:35] <@TinaGillmor> gotta go after Palin.. I think they're just figuring out exactly how to do it
2008/09/19 [16:35] <+jromeh> it's not about qualified, it's about competence
2008/09/19 [16:35] <@TinaGillmor> SHE"S NOT QUALIFIED!!!!!!
2008/09/19 [16:36] <@TinaGillmor> is she competent?
2008/09/19 [16:36] <+jromeh> not competent, as they've qualified her into the slot
2008/09/19 [16:36] <@TinaGillmor> and we're Gillmors
2008/09/19 [16:36] <+mcdtracy> John Stewart is amazing... last night he disclosed to Tony Blair that his wife is a Catholic.
2008/09/19 [16:37] <+mcdtracy> Tony Balir converted to Catholocism.
2008/09/19 [16:37] <@TinaGillmor> hmmmm
2008/09/19 [16:37] <+mcdtracy> John Stewart's line regarding the kids was" we are raising them to be sad."
2008/09/19 [16:37] <@TinaGillmor> ha
2008/09/19 [16:37] <@TinaGillmor> ha, ha
2008/09/19 [16:38] <+mcdtracy> Tony disclosed he converted on the Daily Show to match his wife and kids.
2008/09/19 [16:38] <+mcdtracy> John Stewart disclosed his wife is Catholic in reply.
2008/09/19 [16:39] <@TinaGillmor> Jews and catholics often connect
2008/09/19 [16:39] <+kshep> If only Jon Stewart were a black woman
2008/09/19 [16:39] <+kshep> we'd be all set
2008/09/19 [16:39] <@TinaGillmor> ha
2008/09/19 [16:39] <+mcdtracy> Steve is channeling in the Borscht Belt comics./
2008/09/19 [16:40] <+mcdtracy> I wish Barach Obama switched to be a female Jew. It's would close the deal.
2008/09/19 [16:40] <@TinaGillmor> Come on Barack... put on the boxing gloves and show us what you're made of
2008/09/19 [16:40] <+Karoli> Bill Clinton said diddly-squat. he praised her to the heavens
2008/09/19 [16:41] <@TinaGillmor> praised Palin?
2008/09/19 [16:41] <@TinaGillmor> ha
2008/09/19 [16:41] <@TinaGillmor> pleeze
2008/09/19 [16:41] <+mcdtracy> "Palin is going to win" - remember Katrina and sperad that level of incompetance to all 50 states.
2008/09/19 [16:42] <+mcdtracy> OK... 49 states. She sell Alaska to Exxon.
2008/09/19 [16:42] <@TinaGillmor> Palin is a poser
2008/09/19 [16:42] <+jromeh> no need for anything true for those wingnuts
2008/09/19 [16:42] <@TinaGillmor> Peter Principle at work
2008/09/19 [16:42] <+mcdtracy> You can put lipstick on a pig but it won't be Kosher.
2008/09/19 [16:43] <@TinaGillmor> if your home gets foreclosed on watch out at the voting precinct
2008/09/19 [16:43] <+Karoli> f--google. screw 'em...they are driving me craaaaazy
2008/09/19 [16:43] <@TinaGillmor> they're making lists
2008/09/19 [16:44] <+Karoli> lines of communication, cut with no explanation. imagine palin's glee at such power.
2008/09/19 [16:44] <+amarquart> They do not want double votes, voting from that address and as a displaced vote form
2008/09/19 [16:44] <@TinaGillmor> mcdtracy ...funny
2008/09/19 [16:44] <+Karoli> Tina yes, he did everything but offer to allow her to give him a <censored>.
2008/09/19 [16:45] <@TinaGillmor> amarquart... understandable but it basically <censored> thinks up for the potential voter
2008/09/19 [16:45] <@TinaGillmor> things
2008/09/19 [16:45] <@TinaGillmor> what if you don't have an address?
2008/09/19 [16:45] <+kshep> @karoli: not that I can help... but you're just having trouble posting?
2008/09/19 [16:46] <+jromeh> another part of that stragedy is to slow the process so others give up
2008/09/19 [16:46] <@TinaGillmor> we make it VERY hard for the poor, homeless, down-on-your-luck people to vote
2008/09/19 [16:46] <@TinaGillmor> VERY HARD
2008/09/19 [16:46] <@TinaGillmor> so hard they don't
2008/09/19 [16:47] <@TinaGillmor> hmmm
2008/09/19 [16:48] <@TinaGillmor> we need to PROVE her incompetence
2008/09/19 [16:49] <+kshep> http://status.blogger.com/
2008/09/19 [16:49] <+kshep> wee
2008/09/19 [16:50] <+kshep> http://knownissues.blogspot.com/
2008/09/19 [16:50] <+kshep> "Blogger is currently experiencing intermittent performance issues that may affect publishing, editing, and the autosave feature for some users."
2008/09/19 [16:50] <+kshep> "We are working on a fix and will make sure to update this post with any news from our end. We apologize for the inconvenience. — "
2008/09/19 [16:50] <@TinaGillmor> egilchri points to Palin's declining impression http://tinyurl.com/4z4p9l
2008/09/19 [16:51] <@TinaGillmor> well someone has to rip her apart
2008/09/19 [16:51] <@TinaGillmor> belofre the debate
2008/09/19 [16:51] <@TinaGillmor> wow...just can't type today
2008/09/19 [16:52] <+Karoli> @kshep that's no comfort when the vp of the company wants it NOW
2008/09/19 [16:52] <+jromeh> "spain is near france, so who cares"
2008/09/19 [16:52] <+Karoli> it's been going on for 48 hours
2008/09/19 [16:56] <+jromeh> she's prettier than biden, so she wins!
2008/09/19 [16:59] <+jromeh> <== personally finds her appearance revolting
2008/09/19 [17:00] <@TinaGillmor> right but her was saying that she is all hat and no cattle
2008/09/19 [17:00] <@TinaGillmor> her=he
2008/09/19 [17:01] <@TinaGillmor> he's saying that she is a peronality
2008/09/19 [17:01] <@TinaGillmor> he's saying she's got no substance
2008/09/19 [17:01] <+kshep> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6urw_PWHYk
2008/09/19 [17:01] <+kshep> Matt Damon attacking Palin
2008/09/19 [17:01] <+alexbellinger1> Palin is a joke. If the US votes her in, the US will be like Rome under Nero.
2008/09/19 [17:01] <@TinaGillmor> someone better point a finger at her and keep it there
2008/09/19 [17:02] <@TinaGillmor> more Matt Damons
2008/09/19 [17:04] <+kshep> What's the international coverage of Palin like?
2008/09/19 [17:04] <+kshep> Sarah, I mean. Not Michael.
2008/09/19 [17:05] <+amarquart> BULLSH*T
2008/09/19 [17:08] <@TinaGillmor> so go forth and tweet
2008/09/19 [17:09] <+kshep> Looking at Alaska's revenue forecasts http://www.tax.alaska.gov/programs/documentviewer/viewer.aspx?1338f
2008/09/19 [17:09] <+kshep> FY 2007
2008/09/19 [17:10] <+kshep> FY2008 forecast... Oil Revenue $8,934M
2008/09/19 [17:10] <@TinaGillmor> oh come on Steve
2008/09/19 [17:10] <+kshep> Taxes: $548M
2008/09/19 [17:10] <+kshep> No sales tax or income tax in Alaska
2008/09/19 [17:11] <@TinaGillmor> cant smart outbeat loud, confident and wrong
2008/09/19 [17:11] <@TinaGillmor> ?
2008/09/19 [17:12] <+BruceLerner> Is there any legal ramification from ignoring a subpoena?
2008/09/19 [17:12] <@TinaGillmor> yes
2008/09/19 [17:12] <+kshep> If they chose to enforce it
2008/09/19 [17:13] <+BruceLerner> One can hope for that one
2008/09/19 [17:13] <@TinaGillmor> audio?
2008/09/19 [17:13] <+kshep> Managing a state primarily funded by taxes on oil seems like it'd be different than, like, California
2008/09/19 [17:13] <@TinaGillmor> im ok
2008/09/19 [17:13] <+jromeh> "vetting? we don't need no steenking vetting"
2008/09/19 [17:13] <+alexbellinger1> being intelligent doesn't win votes does it?
2008/09/19 [17:14] <+alexbellinger1> brains = elitist
2008/09/19 [17:14] <+alexbellinger1> brains = coastal
2008/09/19 [17:14] <+jromeh> has anyone seen idiocracy?
2008/09/19 [17:14] <+alexbellinger1> you've been living in one
2008/09/19 [17:15] <+kshep> 18M people said they want Obama to be president so far
2008/09/19 [17:15] <@TinaGillmor> cakes?
2008/09/19 [17:15] <@TinaGillmor> ok....wind it up
2008/09/19 [17:16] <@TinaGillmor> ooooooh
2008/09/19 [17:16] <+jromeh> talk amongst yourselves on twitter
2008/09/19 [17:16] <+jromeh> do something that makes a difference
2008/09/19 [17:17] <+WebPixie> say it ain't so?
2008/09/19 [17:17] <@TinaGillmor> put some button on... wear some Obama tshirts... talk to people who seem uninterested
2008/09/19 [17:17] <+WebPixie> i s'pose that would only make it a week of vacation
2008/09/19 [17:18] <+WebPixie> i'll spend more time emailing ol' college friends in oklahoma and michigan
2008/09/19 [17:18] <+WebPixie> can't hurt
2008/09/19 [17:18] <@TinaGillmor> the parling lot operator at the airport today had a big VOTE button on... lots of people see her everyday... she's doing something
2008/09/19 [17:18] <+WebPixie> still have plenty of time for them and their local friends
2008/09/19 [17:18] <+WebPixie> which i'm sure they have plenty of
2008/09/19 [17:19] <@TinaGillmor> we're doing something here... goout there and do some more
2008/09/19 [17:19] <+WebPixie> if i had the capacity to go out more, i certainly would :(
2008/09/19 [17:19] <@TinaGillmor> off to check out the whales again... wish you guys could see them too
2008/09/19 [17:19] <+WebPixie> woooo ....enjoy!
2008/09/19 [17:19] <+jromeh> enjoy tina
2008/09/19 [17:19] <+WebPixie> thanks guys
2008/09/19 [17:20] <+WebPixie> c'ya next time
2008/09/19 [17:20] <+jromeh> l8r wp
2008/09/19 [17:26] <+WebPixie> l8r to ya2, bruce
2008/09/19 [17:27] <+WebPixie> hope we've gotten this blasted iotum facebook flustercluck resolved :(
2008/09/19 [17:27] <+WebPixie> i'm still some guy from turkey
2008/09/19 [17:28] <+WebPixie> but your screen may still be up, jromeh, with you probably gone. good weekend to all!
2008/09/19 [17:29] <+WebPixie> tina, hope you know there's no gender reference in the midwest for the word "guys"
2008/09/19 [17:30] <+WebPixie> i was talking mostly to you, steve, et al
2008/09/19 [17:30] <+hardaway> sigh. Did Steve say no show until the debate?
2008/09/19 [17:30] <+WebPixie> that's what he said alright
2008/09/19 [17:30] <+WebPixie> maybe we all need a week's vacation
2008/09/19 [17:30] <+hardaway> Good idea. I do. NGL gives me a headache. I like to be a hopeful person
032008/09/19 [17:32] * +Karoli (ustreamer-@dev-ADA9FE16.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) has left #newsgang-live
2008/09/19 [17:33] <+WebPixie> how's the weather in phoenix today? :) i realize you've been slammed :(
2008/09/19 [17:34] <+WebPixie> talking to you, francine
Session Close: Sat Sep 20 00:00:01 2008