NewsGang and Gillmor Gang IRC Transcripts for 09/04/2008

NewsGang Live 09.04.08

Session Start: Thu Sep 04 00:00:02 2008
Session Ident: #newsgang-live
2008/09/04 [00:07] <@theagent> simulcast is up and running
2008/09/04 [00:08] <+greggscott> Truth has no place in an election.
2008/09/04 [00:09] <+greggscott> campaign.
2008/09/04 [00:10] <+greggscott> The two could both run on a Democratic ticket.
2008/09/04 [00:10] <+exador23> I think the scandals will get here - not the baby stuff - the finance stuff.
2008/09/04 [00:11] <+greggscott> The election won't be won on the candidates alone.
2008/09/04 [00:11] <+exador23> We need to drive home the 20 million debt for 9000 people as mayor
2008/09/04 [00:11] <+greggscott> They're virtually attack-proof.
2008/09/04 [00:12] <+greggscott> Never mind that. You have to fight on the RNC's wrecage of the past 8 years.
2008/09/04 [00:12] <+greggscott> wreckage
2008/09/04 [00:14] <+WebPixie> http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/
2008/09/04 [00:15] <+kshep> Like Dan Quayle
2008/09/04 [00:17] <+exador23> GOP convention honors POW McCain, economy goes MIA
2008/09/04 [00:18] <+greggscott> The sound quality really sucks here.
2008/09/04 [00:19] <+exador23> is there an overal feed volume that can be turned down? distortion.
2008/09/04 [00:19] <+kshep> I think it's just the overall sound quality, ex
2008/09/04 [00:19] <+kshep> same on Skype
2008/09/04 [00:20] <+kshep> "Mary Jo Foley" pushes the same buttons with Reps that Barack Hussein Osama pushes with Dems
2008/09/04 [00:21] <+kshep> Hi Karoli :-)
2008/09/04 [00:22] <+jromeh> like the "Democrat Party" ones, kshep?
2008/09/04 [00:22] <+kshep> yep
2008/09/04 [00:23] <+jromeh> so it's Palin/McCain and not the other way around now?
2008/09/04 [00:23] <+kshep> Dan Quayle 2.0
2008/09/04 [00:24] <@theagent> Palin throwing hardballs tonight.. unusual and makes me think something is a foot.
2008/09/04 [00:24] <+mobilejones> The thing to worry about is whether the votes get counted accurately this year.
2008/09/04 [00:24] <+exador23> Keep imagining a landslide. It is possible.
2008/09/04 [00:25] <+michaelpinto> you have only the forst 100 days to make any change
2008/09/04 [00:25] <+mobilejones> Jerry her speech writer is W's speech writer. Didn't it sound familiar?
2008/09/04 [00:25] <+michaelpinto> these people want the culture wars
2008/09/04 [00:25] <+exador23> 100 days to turn the boat around. 8 years to change.
2008/09/04 [00:25] <+michaelpinto> ah ha mobile - I was wondering why the speech had that rove touch
2008/09/04 [00:26] <+michaelpinto> 100 days for an initial legislation
2008/09/04 [00:26] <+mobilejones> There is one point that Dems and Repubs seem to agree on. Dependence from foreign oil.
2008/09/04 [00:26] <+kshep> Matt Scully
2008/09/04 [00:26] <+kshep> speechwriter
2008/09/04 [00:27] <+mobilejones> The conversatives are excited about her. I've heard it until I can't hear it anymore.
2008/09/04 [00:27] <+michaelpinto> palin promised that there was enough oil in alaska to keep us going
2008/09/04 [00:27] <+mobilejones> Oil and Gas.
2008/09/04 [00:27] <+michaelpinto> too bad she never heard that we peaked oil production in the 70s
2008/09/04 [00:27] <+exador23> There'
2008/09/04 [00:28] <+exador23> There's a lot of $$$ Reasons $$$$
2008/09/04 [00:28] <+mobilejones> I'm more concerned about Diebold than about Palin.
2008/09/04 [00:28] <+exador23> right your are mobile.
2008/09/04 [00:28] <+michaelpinto> add to that they're cleaning out the voter rolls too
2008/09/04 [00:29] <+mobilejones> So Palin played well with the home team and the angry left hate her, what about those folks in the middle.
2008/09/04 [00:29] <+michaelpinto> i didn't see palin playing to the middle which was a bit of a bad move
2008/09/04 [00:29] <+exador23> indeed mobile, where did the wedge fall?
2008/09/04 [00:30] <+mobilejones> So Bush and co assured us that Iraq oil money would pay the war bill. When does that kick in?
2008/09/04 [00:30] <+kshep> I think that'll be a wash. The votes picked up by the everywoman offset the votes lost due to bad judgement
2008/09/04 [00:30] <+exador23> brb
2008/09/04 [00:30] <+michaelpinto> we have bases in those countries due to the cold war
2008/09/04 [00:30] <+michaelpinto> we had bases in japan and germany to protect us from the ussr
2008/09/04 [00:31] <+mobilejones> The one thing I will give GOP credit for is neutralizing the judgement argument.
2008/09/04 [00:31] <+kshep> in what way, Debi?
2008/09/04 [00:31] <+mobilejones> It's been said so many times now as to be undiscernable.
2008/09/04 [00:31] <+mobilejones> kshep you know when you hear something repeated over and over - you tune it out? That's how.
2008/09/04 [00:32] <+michaelpinto> counter argument: we don't still have troops in vietnam and north korea
2008/09/04 [00:32] <+kshep> hmm... I spoze I can see that
2008/09/04 [00:32] <+kshep> on the other hand, the Palin pick gives more ammo to folks making an anti-judgement agains McCain
2008/09/04 [00:32] <+mobilejones> The one thing that I find surprising is the victim mode of the GOP "narrative"
2008/09/04 [00:33] <+mobilejones> McCain suffered for America so America owes him the POTUS.
2008/09/04 [00:33] <+kshep> and I don't think anybody was really questinonig McCains judgement before, were they?
2008/09/04 [00:33] <+mobilejones> Palin has a special needs child so she deserves credit for something. Not sure what tho.
2008/09/04 [00:33] <+michaelpinto> there's only one question: how can we get those in the middle to vote for obama?
2008/09/04 [00:34] <+mobilejones> Yes, kshep the judgement question on the war and following W
2008/09/04 [00:34] <+ursulas> What does the middle want?
2008/09/04 [00:34] <+mobilejones> And finally judgement in making this VP choice.
2008/09/04 [00:34] <+michaelpinto> biden has to be careful not to come off as condesending to her
2008/09/04 [00:34] <+mobilejones> Apparently the middle wants Peg Bundy hair.
2008/09/04 [00:34] <+kshep> middle wants to refiniance their mortgage and know they'll have a job in 6 mo
2008/09/04 [00:35] <+ursulas> IF that email from the woman in Alaska who knows her is true, Palin gets what she wants.
2008/09/04 [00:35] <+kshep> ...and know their neighbors kids won't die in Iraq
2008/09/04 [00:35] <+ursulas> She befriends people and then cuts them off.
2008/09/04 [00:35] <+ursulas> I have learned in life to stay away from people like that.
2008/09/04 [00:36] <+ursulas> Peg Bundy hair! LOL!
2008/09/04 [00:36] <+mobilejones> Except for the 3rd person in the race....Diebold.
2008/09/04 [00:36] <+michaelpinto> the vp pick is just a test of one thing: to see if the pres nominee can screw up
2008/09/04 [00:36] <+sinewave> is steve coming back?
2008/09/04 [00:36] <+kshep> no
2008/09/04 [00:37] <+ursulas> Hey, what is her husband going to do when she moves to DC? He can't drill oil in DC?
2008/09/04 [00:37] <+mobilejones> Rob is the angry dad voter.
2008/09/04 [00:37] <+sinewave> that sux. this call needs some calm
2008/09/04 [00:37] <+mobilejones> Sound on the call is really bad.
2008/09/04 [00:37] <+kshep> bad here too, Debi
2008/09/04 [00:38] <+kshep> Cindy McCain can fill in on child care. No problem there.
2008/09/04 [00:38] <+mobilejones> Suggest you watch http://uncountedthemovie.com
2008/09/04 [00:38] <+ursulas> I wouldn't live a teletubby with Cindy McCain.
2008/09/04 [00:38] <+kshep> Glad they got the 4mo old away from Cindy over to dad before mom went on stage.
2008/09/04 [00:38] <+ursulas> I meant "leave"
2008/09/04 [00:38] <+michaelpinto> i agree - we need to stay away from the culture war
2008/09/04 [00:38] <+WebPixie> can't hubby palin be "mr. mom?"
2008/09/04 [00:39] <+mobilejones> GOP wants to frame the race in terms of a "life narrative"
2008/09/04 [00:39] <+ursulas> Sure he can be "Mr. Mom" but he likes to fish. What kind of trouble "fishing" can one get into around DC?
2008/09/04 [00:39] <+mobilejones> They don't want to compete on the issues.
2008/09/04 [00:39] <+mobilejones> Because they are stuck with the last 4 years if they try that.
2008/09/04 [00:40] <+ursulas> They don't want "the people" to think about the issues!
2008/09/04 [00:40] <+mobilejones> So they want it to be about the personal histories of the 4.
2008/09/04 [00:40] <+mobilejones> Dems won't play that game, so Francine should relax.
2008/09/04 [00:40] <+mobilejones> urulas The GOP doesn't want the people to think about the issues.
2008/09/04 [00:40] <+kshep> I sorta trust the Obama/Biden campaign to not fumble this
2008/09/04 [00:41] <+kshep> not sure why
2008/09/04 [00:41] <+exador23> oh hey ursulas.
2008/09/04 [00:41] <+mobilejones> I'm regretting the absence of the Dream Ticket. I wish the Obama camp had been more mature in that decision.
2008/09/04 [00:41] <+kshep> eh
2008/09/04 [00:42] <+kshep> won't argue semantics re maturity
2008/09/04 [00:42] <+kshep> he picked the VP he wanted
2008/09/04 [00:42] <+kshep> unlike McCain
2008/09/04 [00:44] <+michaelpinto> there's a difference between concern and defeatism
2008/09/04 [00:44] <+michaelpinto> it's a 50/50% chance - it's all on the margine
2008/09/04 [00:44] <+mobilejones> I prefer butter
2008/09/04 [00:44] <+exador23> I still think FISA was a huge mistake. we saw that tonight.
2008/09/04 [00:45] <+michaelpinto> Palin is a play to the base - it doesn't reach to the middle
2008/09/04 [00:45] <+michaelpinto> q. was there anything tonight that would have turned an indie voter to mccain?
2008/09/04 [00:45] <+mobilejones> Yes, the base was unenthusiastic about McCain.
2008/09/04 [00:45] <+mobilejones> Indies who like theater.
2008/09/04 [00:46] <+michaelpinto> but the base was going to vote for mccain anyway - repubs always show up
2008/09/04 [00:46] <+mobilejones> There's something appealing about a strong woman who gets things done to other women.
2008/09/04 [00:46] <+exador23> Palin helps rural people to vote against their interests.
2008/09/04 [00:47] <+michaelpinto> i think the republicans would have been better of with huckabee
2008/09/04 [00:47] <+michaelpinto> actually libermanw ould have helped with the middle
2008/09/04 [00:48] <+mobilejones> Libermann would have been a disaster.
2008/09/04 [00:48] <+kshep> second only to Rice
2008/09/04 [00:49] <+kshep> take that back
2008/09/04 [00:49] <@TinaGillmor-1> civilized?
2008/09/04 [00:49] <+kshep> Lieberman would've been a bigger disats4er than rice
2008/09/04 [00:49] <@TinaGillmor-1> maybe
2008/09/04 [00:49] <+kshep> now and then, tina
2008/09/04 [00:49] <+mobilejones> The GOP would not have turned out for McCain and Libermann
2008/09/04 [00:49] <@TinaGillmor-1> I threw up in my mouth listening to Lieberman
2008/09/04 [00:49] <+exador23> i agree francine
2008/09/04 [00:50] <+exador23> The potential of the Obama campaign is to create an active citizenry.
2008/09/04 [00:50] <+mobilejones> Hopefully the Dems will strip him of his leadership positions - Committee chairs etc.
2008/09/04 [00:50] <+ursulas> People, get off the doom and gloom!
2008/09/04 [00:50] <@theagent> Poll is up
2008/09/04 [00:51] <+mobilejones> What's the poll Jerry?
2008/09/04 [00:51] <+exador23> I'm not counting out an attack on Iran or Russia/Georgia conflict befor the election.
2008/09/04 [00:51] <@theagent> Poll can be found in lower left
2008/09/04 [00:52] <@theagent> under video
2008/09/04 [00:52] <+mobilejones> The game changed only in that the GOP revealed they plan to frame their campaign on personal histories.
2008/09/04 [00:52] <+mobilejones> But that fact does change the game.
2008/09/04 [00:52] <+mobilejones> Obama will stick to issues.
2008/09/04 [00:53] <+mobilejones> And continue to keep Bush in the picture.
2008/09/04 [00:53] <@theagent> please vote on the poll which is found under left of video
2008/09/04 [00:53] <+mobilejones> The personal narratives is the strategy to separate from Bush.
2008/09/04 [00:53] <+mobilejones> I don't think the phone people know that the chat people are here. ;-)
2008/09/04 [00:54] <+kshep> some of them do :-)
2008/09/04 [00:54] <@theagent> tonight just mobilized red dems and the entire far right... stand back, the game has changed
2008/09/04 [00:54] <@theagent> the dems had this one to lose... and they just might have.
2008/09/04 [00:54] <+mobilejones> Don't you think it will be a problem for McCain when his speech isn't as inspirational as Palin's?
2008/09/04 [00:54] <+ursulas> Not one of those people understands the personal issues of the regular person in America. The jobs, the housing crisis. That's what will matter cuz the downhill slide is not over yet.
2008/09/04 [00:55] <+ursulas> I don't see a poll under the video
2008/09/04 [00:55] <+mobilejones> The middle isn't watching the conventions, Jerry.
2008/09/04 [00:55] <+ursulas> I agree Mobilejones
2008/09/04 [00:56] <+kshep> particularly at 11pm on a weeknight
2008/09/04 [00:56] <+michaelpinto> wait i just started my popcorn!
2008/09/04 [00:56] <+mobilejones> So Palin has had zero impact with them.
2008/09/04 [00:56] <+kshep> The Idea of Palin has an impact with the middle
2008/09/04 [00:56] <@theagent> the middle has been non-performing for the past 2 decades
2008/09/04 [00:56] <+mobilejones> Who is that?
2008/09/04 [00:57] <@theagent> my daughters new group
2008/09/04 [00:57] <+mobilejones> Damn Jerry.
2008/09/04 [00:57] <+mobilejones> They're great
2008/09/04 [00:57] <+ursulas> I agree!
2008/09/04 [00:58] <+sinewave> all over i guess.
2008/09/04 [00:58] <+ursulas> Also agree that the middle has been nonperforming for 2 decades
2008/09/04 [00:58] <@theagent> 3 of the original members of Dream which sold 2 million reocres
2008/09/04 [00:58] <@theagent> records
2008/09/04 [00:58] <+WebPixie> they are pretty great, jerry!
2008/09/04 [00:58] <+mobilejones> Well they are remarkable.
2008/09/04 [00:58] <@theagent> typing after 6 vodka tonics.. not good
2008/09/04 [00:58] <+mobilejones> LOL Jerry
2008/09/04 [00:59] <+sinewave> nice. RNC got everyone in a drinking mood tonight
2008/09/04 [00:59] <+WebPixie> hahaha...glad you're felling "relaxed"
2008/09/04 [00:59] <+mobilejones> Where does that talent come from? And which one is your daughter?
2008/09/04 [00:59] <@theagent> far left.. the blonde
2008/09/04 [00:59] <+ursulas> Yeah, I have had a drink since June. Broke record tonight.
2008/09/04 [00:59] <+ursulas> Is that their music playing now?
2008/09/04 [00:59] <@theagent> yes
2008/09/04 [00:59] <+ursulas> great! Wow, love that song! Fever!
2008/09/04 [00:59] <@theagent> they're doing a retro/pop attempt
2008/09/04 [00:59] <+WebPixie> this one is so great when they sing it
2008/09/04 [01:00] <+ursulas> The name is Dream?
2008/09/04 [01:00] <+mobilejones> I went bar hoping with Repubs Sunday night. It was sad.
2008/09/04 [01:00] <+ursulas> why was it sad?
2008/09/04 [01:00] <+WebPixie> sad mj?
2008/09/04 [01:00] <@theagent> no.. my daughter was signed when she was 14 and joined a group called Dream
2008/09/04 [01:00] <@theagent> she left in 2001
2008/09/04 [01:00] <+ursulas> oh!
2008/09/04 [01:01] <+mobilejones> We were in this awesome dance club/bar in downtown Minneapolis and no one danced. They were all out on the patio talking and dealing.
2008/09/04 [01:01] <@theagent> she just rallied 2 of the former girls in an attempt to resurrect but with something completely different
2008/09/04 [01:01] <@theagent> potentially called LadyPhoenix
2008/09/04 [01:01] <+ursulas> And this performance is also part of the resurrection?
2008/09/04 [01:01] <@theagent> don't think that will step
2008/09/04 [01:01] <@theagent> stick
2008/09/04 [01:01] <@theagent> oops
2008/09/04 [01:01] <@theagent> doing too much at onec
2008/09/04 [01:01] <@theagent> once
2008/09/04 [01:02] <+ursulas> lol - we understand
2008/09/04 [01:02] <@theagent> I give up ;)
2008/09/04 [01:02] <+jromeh> first ave, debi? ;)
2008/09/04 [01:02] <+ursulas> :-)
2008/09/04 [01:02] <+ursulas> cheers!
2008/09/04 [01:04] <+mobilejones> After listening to the faithful in St. Paul and then the hard core progressives here, I doubt that any of us can ever come together long enough to get any real business done on behalf of the country.
2008/09/04 [01:04] <+ursulas> It does seem to be a clear division, one we've been dealing with for 8 long fecking years or more.
2008/09/04 [01:05] <+WebPixie> she's gorgeous, jerry
2008/09/04 [01:05] <@theagent> thanks
2008/09/04 [01:05] <+mobilejones> ursulas the point is that it's one we dealing with after 8 years that could have brought us togehter over a common foe.
2008/09/04 [01:06] <@theagent> this is a mood board by my 17 year old daughter.. she's a fashionista
2008/09/04 [01:06] <+ursulas> Yes, that is a major problem, mj
2008/09/04 [01:06] <+ursulas> mood board is very cool!
2008/09/04 [01:07] <+WebPixie> ok, i'm uninformed...what's a mood board?
2008/09/04 [01:07] <@theagent> creatives use them to create the tonality for what they're trying to get across
2008/09/04 [01:10] <+ursulas> Nice voice
2008/09/04 [01:10] <+ursulas> s
2008/09/04 [01:10] <+ursulas> drinking water now
2008/09/04 [01:11] <@theagent> this song went #2 on Billboard
2008/09/04 [01:13] <+ursulas> when did it come out? it sounded familiar
2008/09/04 [01:13] <@theagent> 2000
2008/09/04 [01:13] <+ursulas> that is your daughter?
2008/09/04 [01:13] <+ursulas> Melissa?
2008/09/04 [01:14] <@theagent> yes
2008/09/04 [01:14] <+ursulas> Cute young lady! Talented too.
2008/09/04 [01:14] <+WebPixie> i see. it IS a great mood board
2008/09/04 [01:15] <+ursulas> way more down to earth then Brittany!
2008/09/04 [01:15] <+ursulas> 16!!!
2008/09/04 [01:15] <@theagent> then
2008/09/04 [01:15] <@theagent> now 24
2008/09/04 [01:15] <+ursulas> Yes she still has time to do more!
2008/09/04 [01:16] <+ursulas> I thought she was about 22 in that video
2008/09/04 [01:16] <@theagent> well enough of the proud dad show...
2008/09/04 [01:16] <@theagent> lol
2008/09/04 [01:16] <+ursulas> It was enjoyed! Good for you!
2008/09/04 [01:16] <+ursulas> thanks for sharing too
2008/09/04 [01:16] <@theagent> well she's the oldest of my 5 daughters...
2008/09/04 [01:17] <@theagent> all of them very talented in their own right
2008/09/04 [01:17] <+ursulas> 5 daughters! Wow. I come from a family of 4 daughters. You have my respect!
2008/09/04 [01:17] <@theagent> 2 at UCLA now and 2 still in high school
2008/09/04 [01:17] <@theagent> Melissa is married
2008/09/04 [01:18] <+WebPixie> boohoo. no more?
2008/09/04 [01:18] <@theagent> no more what?
2008/09/04 [01:19] <+WebPixie> thx - hearing the music here now
2008/09/04 [01:20] <+WebPixie> things really slow up here sometimes - quite often, really
2008/09/04 [01:21] <+ursulas> You are a proud papa, theagent. very cool. good night all!
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2008/09/04 [23:31] <+Karoli> francine, are you going to call in?
2008/09/04 [23:31] <+Karoli> this is your show, gal can't start without ya
2008/09/04 [23:32] <+Karoli> my phone is nearly dead
2008/09/04 [23:32] <+Karoli> start without me, gotta go get a different one
2008/09/04 [23:49] <+ursulas> Will there be a show?
2008/09/04 [23:49] <+ursulas> Anybody know?
2008/09/04 [23:51] <+WebPixie> is there no audio, ursi?
2008/09/04 [23:51] <+BruceLerner> Is there any way I can get another PIN so I can skype in and re-stream?
2008/09/04 [23:52] <+WebPixie> thx bruce - can ursi get a PIN?
2008/09/04 [23:52] <+BruceLerner> Tina, Steve ?
2008/09/04 [23:52] <+Karoli> bruce check pm
2008/09/04 [23:54] <+exador23> this gonna happen?
2008/09/04 [23:54] <+exador23> while waiting, check out the video here http://wcco.com/video
2008/09/04 [23:54] <+Karoli> exador not sure we have an audio stream
2008/09/04 [23:56] <+ursulas> I don't have audio?? I used to a few sessions ago
2008/09/04 [23:56] <+ursulas> the video part next to chat box says off air
2008/09/04 [23:58] <+ursulas> refreshed and now I can't see the chat that was there
Session Close: Fri Sep 05 00:00:04 2008