NewsGang and Gillmor Gang IRC Transcripts for 05/01/2008

NewsGang Live 05.01.08

Session Start: Thu May 01 00:00:00 2008
Session Ident: #techaura
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2008/05/01 [12:58] <@BankaiNetworks> Morning jerry
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2008/05/01 [14:46] <+jcposner> Great Steely Dan tune
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2008/05/01 [15:07] <+AllenFantastic> heya
2008/05/01 [15:07] <+AllenFantastic> Hello?
2008/05/01 [15:07] <+nmalaguti> hello
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2008/05/01 [15:55] <+jromeh> chat on page working for me today
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2008/05/01 [15:56] <+jromeh> also watching folks heading from liuzza's trackside into nojhf locals' day
2008/05/01 [15:56] <+nmalaguti> me too
2008/05/01 [15:58] <ustreamer-44008> today chat works for me, Twitter doesn't
2008/05/01 [15:58] <+nmalaguti> where do we go for the twitter feed?
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2008/05/01 [15:59] <+Jari_Ra> Twitter homepage is working, Twhirl isn't...
2008/05/01 [15:59] <ustreamer-44008> no clients are working for me - or the API :(
2008/05/01 [16:00] <@theagent> Verizon is having a major outage in my neighborhood... I cannot live simulcast today...
2008/05/01 [16:00] <@theagent> we keep getting disconnected
2008/05/01 [16:00] <+nmalaguti> ugh, <censored> you twitter API
2008/05/01 [16:00] <@theagent> we will keep trying
2008/05/01 [16:02] <+nmalaguti> when did twitter api updates die? I'm still getting tracks on my gtalk
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2008/05/01 [16:02] <+Jari_Ra> 1 hour ago..
2008/05/01 [16:03] <@TinaGillmor> ok
2008/05/01 [16:03] <ustreamer-44008> Twitter API dies the same time I got the "Twitter Update and News" email from Biz Stone :)
2008/05/01 [16:03] <@TinaGillmor> hear you
2008/05/01 [16:03] <@TinaGillmor> Jer - Steve said he will broadcast from his account
2008/05/01 [16:04] <@TinaGillmor> you back in?
2008/05/01 [16:05] <+ramz> the suspense is killing me
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2008/05/01 [16:07] <@TinaGillmor> is the code not working?
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2008/05/01 [16:08] <+kr8tr> I can hear everyone but Steve
2008/05/01 [16:09] <+eggsoregano> I hear Steve
2008/05/01 [16:09] <+MrTopf> Hi
2008/05/01 [16:09] <+nmalaguti> hi
2008/05/01 [16:09] <+nmalaguti> I hear people
2008/05/01 [16:09] <+MrTopf> I also hear people, maybe all ;-)
2008/05/01 [16:09] <@theagent> there will be no show visuals today... we were able to get audio up... but visuals will not be available
2008/05/01 [16:11] <@TinaGillmor> Ok - we'll watch the fountain today. It's OK
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2008/05/01 [16:11] <+nmalaguti> I hear steve
2008/05/01 [16:12] <+nmalaguti> do we have a number to call in at?
2008/05/01 [16:12] <+nmalaguti> Prokofy
2008/05/01 [16:13] <+nmalaguti> I'm terribly frustrated about them
2008/05/01 [16:13] <+MrTopf> nice fountain :)
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2008/05/01 [16:15] <+nmalaguti> do we have a link to the comment?
2008/05/01 [16:15] <+MrTopf> I think it was an email
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2008/05/01 [16:21] <+MrTopf> but I want twitter et al. to charge me instead of putting up ads, at least as an option :)
2008/05/01 [16:21] <+eggsoregano> Why are you guys still talking about this person!?
2008/05/01 [16:22] <+MrTopf> and actually she had not too much talk time anyway in that show ;-)
2008/05/01 [16:22] <+LethalKebab> .
2008/05/01 [16:22] <+WebPixie> he's right. i relistened to the call and read her post. The two didn't seem consistent to me.
2008/05/01 [16:22] <+LethalKebab> .
2008/05/01 [16:23] <+LethalKebab> hello
2008/05/01 [16:23] <+WebPixie> i feel bad about my behavior on this chat that day
2008/05/01 [16:23] <+LethalKebab> :(
2008/05/01 [16:24] <+eggsoregano> Will democracy in this format ever be viable?
2008/05/01 [16:24] <+WebPixie> but reading what she and her friends have posted since make me feel a little less so, i just wish i hadn't introduce myself to you all that way
2008/05/01 [16:24] <+eggsoregano> that is really what you are talking about
2008/05/01 [16:25] <+MrTopf> Prok at least has the effect that people keep talking about her ;-)
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2008/05/01 [16:27] <+eggsoregano> democracy unbridled leads to chaos
2008/05/01 [16:27] <+alexbellinger> When The Gang was interrupted a forum for everybody was created here at News Gang live. I just wonder whether Prokofy could return and participate AND listen. That might actually be quite interesting. Or I guess it might actually be a complete disaster !?
2008/05/01 [16:28] <+MrTopf> Prok is not really known for listen though
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2008/05/01 [16:29] <+kr8tr> @Alex - I would welcome an actual _discussion_ with her
2008/05/01 [16:29] <+kr8tr> But I think it is impossible
2008/05/01 [16:29] <+jcposner> I thought Prok had a well earned rep as a provocateur, not sure why she deserves a forum
2008/05/01 [16:30] <+alexbellinger> kr8tr you're probably right.
2008/05/01 [16:30] <+MrTopf> I agree with both things
2008/05/01 [16:30] <+MrTopf> and I think they should move on ;-)
2008/05/01 [16:30] <+MrTopf> the twitter problem should nevertheless be solved, can't be too hard for them to do
2008/05/01 [16:31] <+jcposner> She has a serious axe to grind, best not serve as her stone
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2008/05/01 [16:31] <+eggsoregano> c is absolutely correct
2008/05/01 [16:31] <+WebPixie> well put, jcp
2008/05/01 [16:32] <+kr8tr> jcposner - agree
2008/05/01 [16:32] <+eggsoregano> one guys spam is another's steak
2008/05/01 [16:33] <+nmalaguti> we aren't yes men
2008/05/01 [16:33] <+WebPixie> i think you're good at it too, steve, and i'm very new
2008/05/01 [16:34] <+WebPixie> i can't even see where she got that impression except she wanted to find it
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2008/05/01 [16:35] <+WebPixie> that you all are yes-men, that is
2008/05/01 [16:36] <+alexbellinger> I think she had a problem with the word 'gang' and made all sorts of judgement leaps as a result
2008/05/01 [16:36] <+WebPixie> from reading her post, that makes a lot of sense
2008/05/01 [16:37] <+MrTopf> I didn't vote for Merkel...
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2008/05/01 [16:37] <+eggsoregano> Ben Franklin started this format in 18th cent. Philadelphia, and he called it the Junta
2008/05/01 [16:38] <+RonSchott> In the unlikely event that HRC wins the nomination wouldn't you rather write in "Barack Obama"?
2008/05/01 [16:38] <+Joffi> good idea
2008/05/01 [16:38] <+eggsoregano> dopey idea
2008/05/01 [16:39] <+jcposner> yes
2008/05/01 [16:39] <+jcposner> I saw it
2008/05/01 [16:39] <+Joffi> He's more popular than McCain in polling. So could he gain more votes as third option if pushed?
2008/05/01 [16:39] <+jcposner> she did fine
2008/05/01 [16:40] <+kr8tr> jcp - I thought so as well
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2008/05/01 [16:47] <+jcposner> I missed it, why did he lose his power on the Today show
2008/05/01 [16:48] <+eggsoregano> you guys are in lala land. I'll stop back in six months and see all twenty of, but that will be all
2008/05/01 [16:48] <+jcposner> His he channeling Hillary again?
2008/05/01 [16:49] <+jcposner> Obama had a huge day today
2008/05/01 [16:49] <+jcposner> He had a major super delegate switch
2008/05/01 [16:50] <+jcposner> from Hillary to Obama
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2008/05/01 [16:50] <+jcposner> For good measure, Spike Lee hinted at a political conspiracy behind Wright's recent, contentious attempts to justify his remarks. "It looks like he's being paid to keep talking," he said.
2008/05/01 [16:51] <+jcposner> Today's NBC had good news for Obama on the Wright impact
2008/05/01 [16:51] <+jcposner> NBC poll
2008/05/01 [16:52] <+poisonpill097> Just like Obama is being paid to defend against Wright
2008/05/01 [16:52] <+kr8tr> Twitter API lives again.
2008/05/01 [16:52] <+jcposner> McCain and Hillary both had higher negatives
2008/05/01 [16:52] <+poisonpill097> They are all being paid to talk. PERIOD
2008/05/01 [16:53] <+poisonpill097> Perhaps to make <censored> up just to fill the boring airwaves
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2008/05/01 [16:54] <+jcposner> A new poll says Bush — not Wright or Bill Clinton — is voters' main concern
2008/05/01 [16:54] <+poisonpill097> I can't believe you people actually believe this soap opera
2008/05/01 [16:54] <+jcposner> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24390690/
2008/05/01 [16:54] <+jcposner> today show video
2008/05/01 [16:54] <+jcposner> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24402686#24402686
2008/05/01 [16:55] <+PG2008-1> Thanks for link to MSNBC.
2008/05/01 [16:55] <+poisonpill097> If it was on the Today show, it must have been legit
2008/05/01 [16:55] <+poisonpill097> please
2008/05/01 [16:55] <+poisonpill097> yes. EVERYTHING is politically motivated
2008/05/01 [16:56] <+poisonpill097> it CAN be fixed. Dont vote
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2008/05/01 [16:57] <+poisonpill097> I don't buy these things, so heres the line, but I'm going to talk about it and validate everything this moron had to say
2008/05/01 [16:57] <+poisonpill097> ...please
2008/05/01 [16:57] <+poisonpill097> Wright doesn't care about lines. He has believed in a deity that does not exist for nearly all his life
2008/05/01 [16:58] <+poisonpill097> He is an extremist.
2008/05/01 [16:58] <+poisonpill097> Driving people to Wright's church, thats what is happeniing
2008/05/01 [16:59] <+jcposner> Media is trying to keep it alive, but I think interest is starting to wane
2008/05/01 [16:59] <+poisonpill097> Interest was never there. The media has to promote interest
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2008/05/01 [16:59] <+poisonpill097> promotion = ratings
2008/05/01 [16:59] <+jcposner> Wright fatigue helps Obama
2008/05/01 [17:00] <+poisonpill097> lol. i never honored them
2008/05/01 [17:00] <+poisonpill097> Steve is right
2008/05/01 [17:00] <+poisonpill097> hit the media where it counts
2008/05/01 [17:01] <+jcposner> If Monica can boost Clinton's rating, not sure how Wright can tank Obama
2008/05/01 [17:01] <+poisonpill097> true that
2008/05/01 [17:01] <+poisonpill097> problem is...the media has created a fragmented empire of rejects
2008/05/01 [17:01] <+jcposner> I think people will rally to Obama if he is seen as being treated over this
2008/05/01 [17:01] <+jcposner> treated unfairly
2008/05/01 [17:02] <+poisonpill097> I think Hilton paid for that
2008/05/01 [17:02] <+poisonpill097> negative publicity
2008/05/01 [17:02] <+poisonpill097> getting Steve to give Hilton a free plug
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2008/05/01 [17:02] <+poisonpill097> Comcast responded to me
2008/05/01 [17:02] <+poisonpill097> bastards
2008/05/01 [17:03] <+poisonpill097> I threatened Wellsfargo. Didn't get me anywhere
2008/05/01 [17:03] <+poisonpill097> If anything, it got me blacklisted
2008/05/01 [17:04] <+jcposner> Hardball is leading with Joe Andrew switch, a good sign for story starting to fade
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2008/05/01 [17:05] <+poisonpill097> yea. I overheard this old couple talking last night
2008/05/01 [17:06] <+poisonpill097> Just rehashing <censored> from Fox news
2008/05/01 [17:06] <+jcposner> Andrea Mitchell is saying no one switching from Obama to Clinton is very good sign for Obama
2008/05/01 [17:07] <+poisonpill097> like the media will cover it anyways
2008/05/01 [17:08] <+poisonpill097> how does talking to someone that has your same viewpoint considered education ?
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2008/05/01 [17:09] <+poisonpill097> hwo can one generate respect online ?
2008/05/01 [17:09] <+jcposner> Andrea Mitchell says that if Obama wins IN race is over
2008/05/01 [17:09] <+poisonpill097> they've been saying that since Texas, jcp
2008/05/01 [17:09] <+poisonpill097> it keeps you tuned in
2008/05/01 [17:09] <+poisonpill097> it can't and won't happen.
2008/05/01 [17:10] <+poisonpill097> Whos business model ? Fox News ?
2008/05/01 [17:11] <+Joffi> Look at the Cable Pundits... what is the example set?
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2008/05/01 [17:12] <+poisonpill097> uhm. being a sexist pig sells ratings ?
2008/05/01 [17:13] <+poisonpill097> please. civil conversation. lets civilize the web so the aristocracy can speak clearly
2008/05/01 [17:13] <+poisonpill097> yea. FCC
2008/05/01 [17:13] <+jcposner> great point on the call screener
2008/05/01 [17:13] <+poisonpill097> call screener is only around for the FCC
2008/05/01 [17:14] <+poisonpill097> if it were up to the media, there would be no screener
2008/05/01 [17:14] <+poisonpill097> MSNBC tells me I'm part of a representative democracy
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2008/05/01 [17:15] <+poisonpill097> I never knew that
2008/05/01 [17:16] <+poisonpill097> The skull and bones pay for everything to be the same
2008/05/01 [17:16] <+poisonpill097> yea sure. the AP owns ALL
2008/05/01 [17:16] <+poisonpill097> what christian AP says, you listen to
2008/05/01 [17:16] <+poisonpill097> pathetic
2008/05/01 [17:17] <+egilchri> poisonpill097 you wanna get on the map http://mycrazyuncle.com
2008/05/01 [17:17] <+poisonpill097> honestly. I think THEIR goal is to turn you off from nominating each other into congress and the presidency
2008/05/01 [17:18] <+poisonpill097> The goal of the oligarchs is to keep control. They have created the mechanisms in place to encourage it
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2008/05/01 [17:18] <+poisonpill097> i'm batman, egil. I'm everywhere.
2008/05/01 [17:18] <+poisonpill097> but nowhere.
2008/05/01 [17:18] <+poisonpill097> please
2008/05/01 [17:19] <+poisonpill097> who cares what Iran thinks
2008/05/01 [17:19] <+poisonpill097> NPR = The Lobby channel
2008/05/01 [17:19] <+poisonpill097> public funding my butt. As long as they have oil paying their paychecks, they don't deserve to be listened to.
2008/05/01 [17:20] <+poisonpill097> Sex ?
2008/05/01 [17:20] <+poisonpill097> Drugs ?
2008/05/01 [17:20] <+poisonpill097> Wag the dog ?
2008/05/01 [17:21] <+poisonpill097> Grandmother hated FDR
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2008/05/01 [17:21] <+poisonpill097> only oligarchs can make it
2008/05/01 [17:22] <+poisonpill097> Chalmers Johnson says Iran has a legitimate gripe
2008/05/01 [17:22] <+poisonpill097> I think he's right
2008/05/01 [17:23] <+poisonpill097> trying to collect on his papa's political capital. Didn't work
2008/05/01 [17:23] <+poisonpill097> Has nothing to do with oil. Has everything to do with keeping Iran in check
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2008/05/01 [17:24] <+poisonpill097> Clinton has been debriefed on the real situation. Obama hasn't.
2008/05/01 [17:25] <+poisonpill097> someone needs to ask the question why exactly do we ned 5 million warheads to destroy a nation state
2008/05/01 [17:25] <+poisonpill097> and Isreal
2008/05/01 [17:27] <+poisonpill097> none of it is being covered. why ?
2008/05/01 [17:27] <+poisonpill097> we are in the middle of war plans
2008/05/01 [17:27] <+poisonpill097> the calm before the storm
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2008/05/01 [17:28] <+poisonpill097> *yawn
2008/05/01 [17:29] <+WebPixie> tell steve thanks for asking karoli to post that
2008/05/01 [17:29] <+Jari_Ra> Thank you for the show...
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