NewsGang and Gillmor Gang IRC Transcripts for 09/26/2008

NewsGang Live 09.26.08

Gillmor Gang 09.26.08

Session Start: Fri Sep 26 00:00:01 2008
Session Ident: #newsgang-live
2008/09/26 [13:46] <@TinaGillmor> Gillmor Gang at 10:45 starting now... will stream around 11pm PDT
2008/09/26 [13:51] <+jasoncalacanis> hello
2008/09/26 [13:51] <+jasoncalacanis> is this going to syndicate gillmor gang?
2008/09/26 [13:53] <+ConnectedGeek-W> are you going to be on the Gillmor Gang today, Jason?
2008/09/26 [13:53] <@TinaGillmor> Jason is on now... but we're not streaming yet
2008/09/26 [13:55] <+ConnectedGeek-W> is Jerry not available to do it?
2008/09/26 [13:55] <+ConnectedGeek-W> or you guys talking hush hush stuff ")
2008/09/26 [13:56] <@TinaGillmor> Jerry's stuck in traffic
2008/09/26 [13:56] <+ConnectedGeek-W> ahh
2008/09/26 [13:56] <@TinaGillmor> expecting him any minute tho
2008/09/26 [13:57] <@TinaGillmor> on the show, Dan Farber, Doc Searls, Marc Canter, Jason Calacanis... so far
2008/09/26 [14:05] <@TinaGillmor> Mike Vizard and Robert Scoble just joined
2008/09/26 [14:08] <+ConnectedGeek-W> wow
2008/09/26 [14:08] <+ConnectedGeek-W> looks like its going to be a good show
2008/09/26 [14:08] <+ConnectedGeek-W> wish we could hear it live :(
2008/09/26 [14:08] <+ConnectedGeek-W> hurry Jerry :)
2008/09/26 [14:08] <@TinaGillmor> yes, it's a full house
2008/09/26 [14:10] <@TinaGillmor> all of the sudden they launched into politics
2008/09/26 [14:11] <+ConnectedGeek-W> u gonna post this today i hope??
2008/09/26 [14:11] <@TinaGillmor> LA traffic sucks..... Jerry suffers
2008/09/26 [14:14] <+pcnerd37> Hello
2008/09/26 [14:15] <@TinaGillmor> definitely will post the show today.. might edit just after show
2008/09/26 [14:15] <@TinaGillmor> hello
2008/09/26 [14:20] <+ConnectedGeek-W> hey Jeremy
2008/09/26 [14:20] <+ConnectedGeek-W> what's up?
2008/09/26 [14:21] <+pcnerd37> not much, just sitting at work with nothing to do and no new podcasts to listen to
2008/09/26 [14:21] <+pcnerd37> you?
2008/09/26 [14:21] <+ConnectedGeek-W> just about to install sql 2008
2008/09/26 [14:21] <+ConnectedGeek-W> and waiting to see if i can here this live
2008/09/26 [14:22] <+pcnerd37> yea, I saw your tweet and figured I should come listen live since I have nothing else to listen to
2008/09/26 [14:22] <+ConnectedGeek-W> unfortunately not... due to @theagent not being here
2008/09/26 [14:22] <+pcnerd37> ah
2008/09/26 [14:25] <+pcnerd37> oh well, the boss just walked back in anyway, so i probably dont need to be listening or watching any streams
2008/09/26 [14:34] <@TinaGillmor> Jerry you innow?
2008/09/26 [14:35] <@TinaGillmor> not hearing audio
2008/09/26 [14:35] <+ConnectedGeek-W> i hear it
2008/09/26 [14:35] <@TinaGillmor> really
2008/09/26 [14:35] <+ConnectedGeek-W> refresh your screen
2008/09/26 [14:36] <+ConnectedGeek-W> or open a new browser
2008/09/26 [14:36] <@TinaGillmor> got it... had the sound off on the ustream
2008/09/26 [14:38] <+ConnectedGeek-W> who is that talking?
2008/09/26 [14:41] <@TinaGillmor> not sure who you're referring to
2008/09/26 [14:42] <@TinaGillmor> there is Canter, Farber, Vizard, Calacanis, Searls
2008/09/26 [14:51] <+ConnectedGeek-W> i agree
2008/09/26 [14:57] <+ConnectedGeek-W> i love this show!!
2008/09/26 [14:58] <@TinaGillmor> jerry.... can you drop the call?"
032008/09/26 [15:32] * Ficus is now known as DnTVideos
2008/09/26 [15:37] <+ConnectedGeek-W> http://gang.connectedgeek.net has been updated
2008/09/26 [15:54] <+kteare> is there a newsgang at 1?
2008/09/26 [16:01] <+kteare> guess not
032008/09/26 [22:11] * Ficus is now known as DnTVideos
2008/09/26 [22:44] <+sinewave> is there going to be a streaming NLG tonight?
2008/09/26 [22:44] <+sinewave> NGL
2008/09/26 [22:46] <+WebPixie> Hi bruce
2008/09/26 [22:47] <+BruceLerner> Hi pixie. Having fun?
2008/09/26 [22:47] <+WebPixie> hi tina, larry, steve
2008/09/26 [22:47] <+WebPixie> amd everybody ...i wish, bruce
2008/09/26 [22:47] <+WebPixie> homefront interference, but i believe all's well now :)
2008/09/26 [22:48] <+WebPixie> brb
2008/09/26 [22:48] <+sinewave> is there any way to hear the stream?
2008/09/26 [22:48] <+WebPixie> i don't believe there is any stream to hear yet
2008/09/26 [22:48] <+WebPixie> brb
2008/09/26 [22:50] <+DnTVideos> :P
032008/09/26 [22:51] * DnTVideos was kicked by usrbingeek (usrbingeek)
2008/09/26 [22:51] <+WebPixie> what is DnTVideos?
2008/09/26 [22:52] <+sinewave> Obama wins hands down. Held his own on the war and foreign policy and WON on the economy
2008/09/26 [22:59] <@stevegillmor> that debate was a political stroke job by both candidates..
2008/09/26 [23:00] <@stevegillmor> and this is Jerry not Steve.. don't have my IRC client up yet
2008/09/26 [23:00] <@theagent> there.. now it's me
2008/09/26 [23:01] <@theagent> I need to take a shower after that <censored> fest by both sides.
2008/09/26 [23:01] <+WebPixie> i was disoriented from the beginning having just woken up from nap. guess that nap wasn't such a good idea after all :D
032008/09/26 [23:02] * theagent changes topic to 'Post Debate NewsGang Live starts at 8:30'
2008/09/26 [23:03] <@TinaGillmor> NGL post-debate show starting in 5 minutes
2008/09/26 [23:06] <@theagent> SOB.. the robot voice is back... <censored>
2008/09/26 [23:06] <@theagent> changing machines.. just a sec
2008/09/26 [23:07] <+michaelpinto> Hey campers!
2008/09/26 [23:08] <@TinaGillmor> hi Jerry, can you log back inot the calliflower call?
2008/09/26 [23:13] <@TinaGillmor> about to start
2008/09/26 [23:13] <@TinaGillmor> don't hear audio
2008/09/26 [23:14] <@theagent> ok.. so as I said earlier... I'm going to take a shower now... that debate made me feel violated.
2008/09/26 [23:14] <+michaelpinto> Some great debate sketches: http://www.mattbors.com/2008/09/debate-sketches.html
2008/09/26 [23:14] <+sinewave> i hear the stream now
2008/09/26 [23:14] <@theagent> stream is up
2008/09/26 [23:14] <@TinaGillmor> me too... little choppy
2008/09/26 [23:14] <+sinewave> it sounds good but there is a crackle here and there
2008/09/26 [23:14] <@TinaGillmor> but up
2008/09/26 [23:14] <@theagent> there will be no vid at all
2008/09/26 [23:15] <@TinaGillmor> OK... no video...
2008/09/26 [23:15] <+sinewave> no steve tonight?
2008/09/26 [23:15] <+treeshapiro> i have audio but no chat or image
2008/09/26 [23:16] <+Karoli> tina, is steve going to open this?
2008/09/26 [23:16] <@TinaGillmor> chat is working ere.. no video... JErry said that isn't going to happen
2008/09/26 [23:17] <+kshep> So this is just off-the-record pregame?
2008/09/26 [23:17] <@TinaGillmor> Karoli.. please open the show
2008/09/26 [23:17] <+kshep> "Post Debate NGL starts at 8:30"
2008/09/26 [23:17] <+sinewave> Obama can't seem like an angry black guy. He more than anyone has to deliver it with class.
2008/09/26 [23:17] <+Karoli> k, let me swallow the pizza first :)
2008/09/26 [23:18] <@TinaGillmor> k
2008/09/26 [23:18] <@TinaGillmor> 26
2008/09/26 [23:18] <@TinaGillmor> Steve will be on soon
2008/09/26 [23:19] <+kshep> is it just me or is Aron dropping out?
2008/09/26 [23:19] <+sinewave> he sounds like he's under water
2008/09/26 [23:20] <+kshep> jeez, I feel like trying to be "fair and balanced" tonight. Better avoid that.
2008/09/26 [23:20] <+kshep> Is Rob around?
2008/09/26 [23:21] <+kflanagan> That's a suckers bet Francine
2008/09/26 [23:21] <+kshep> Well of course Oberlman/Maddow say that
2008/09/26 [23:21] <+kshep> olbermann... sorry
2008/09/26 [23:21] <@TinaGillmor> Mc Cain was stronger than I thought he would be
2008/09/26 [23:22] <+kshep> PBS was basically "eh"
2008/09/26 [23:22] <@TinaGillmor> draw
2008/09/26 [23:22] <+kflanagan> Buchannan is the token republican, so they have someone to bounce off of
2008/09/26 [23:22] <+RHirsch> Like Victory?
2008/09/26 [23:22] <+kshep> WHAT?
2008/09/26 [23:22] <+kshep> McCain talked over HIM?
2008/09/26 [23:22] <+RHirsch> Obama did not hammer on 'Victory'
2008/09/26 [23:23] <+mterenzio> whoever the newspapers say won tomorrow will go down as the winner for most of America
2008/09/26 [23:23] <+kshep> I suppose yeah, when Obama would interupt McCain, McCain didn't stop talking
2008/09/26 [23:23] <+kshep> I spoze that's "talking over him"
2008/09/26 [23:23] <+treeshapiro> what newspapers?
2008/09/26 [23:23] <+RHirsch> Steve, I think he lost only because it was a tie
2008/09/26 [23:23] <@TinaGillmor> Doc Searls joining us
2008/09/26 [23:24] <@TinaGillmor> they won't let him make that mistake again
2008/09/26 [23:24] <+mterenzio> the dumb newspapers
2008/09/26 [23:24] <@TinaGillmor> the you're right John
2008/09/26 [23:24] <+kshep> well, one of his spokesfolk said "yeah, a president sometimes agrees with his opponents"
2008/09/26 [23:24] <+kshep> or something to that effect
2008/09/26 [23:24] <+micahwittman> @Tina agreed. He smooth transitiions between statements exuded confidence
2008/09/26 [23:24] <+kshep> remember...change.
2008/09/26 [23:24] <+kshep> new politics
2008/09/26 [23:25] <+kflanagan> I think that he agreement is a specific thing to demonstrate being non partisan.
2008/09/26 [23:25] <+micahwittman> But are undecides swaded in big numbers from Right-Wing talk radio?
2008/09/26 [23:26] <+kflanagan> Talk Radio audince is lost, much as this audience is lost to McSame
2008/09/26 [23:26] <+mterenzio> I haven't made up my mind. . .
2008/09/26 [23:26] <+developerz-1> OMG... this is exactly why (we) Democrats lose. Obama didn't lose, McCain didn't win.
2008/09/26 [23:27] <+RHirsch> The smiling
2008/09/26 [23:27] <+RHirsch> yes!
2008/09/26 [23:27] <+mterenzio> and I don't matter. . .being in a Dem state
2008/09/26 [23:27] <+kflanagan> This group is just a bit more civil to those who disagree.
2008/09/26 [23:27] <+treeshapiro> cheeky
2008/09/26 [23:27] <@TinaGillmor> Hey tree
2008/09/26 [23:28] <+kshep> I suspect most viewers expected an actual conversation about the bailout
2008/09/26 [23:28] <+treeshapiro> hi tina - this is a good time for me; morning
2008/09/26 [23:28] <+Karoli> Hi tree
2008/09/26 [23:28] <+treeshapiro> hi k-roll
2008/09/26 [23:28] <+kshep> this should have been 100% economics
2008/09/26 [23:28] <@TinaGillmor> cool you canjoin Tree
2008/09/26 [23:29] <+kshep> and leading off on econ, before they were settled in... fail
2008/09/26 [23:29] <+RHirsch> they were to reserved and too scared to piss people off
2008/09/26 [23:29] <+micahwittman> CNN Best overal in debate: 51% O, 38% M
2008/09/26 [23:29] <+treeshapiro> how many people do you reckon are really undecided?
2008/09/26 [23:29] <+mterenzio> all you can do now is lose votes
2008/09/26 [23:29] <+developerz-1> Why don't you talk about McCain misrepresenting Obama all night long.
2008/09/26 [23:30] <+RHirsch> and Vet spending
2008/09/26 [23:30] <+mterenzio> alot are undecided in this part of the country
2008/09/26 [23:30] <+RHirsch> he was very specific that he would provide vet spending
2008/09/26 [23:30] <+kflanagan> Freeze spending is an old trick, didn't Regan do that?
2008/09/26 [23:30] <+kshep> then he talked about building 45 nuclear power plants
2008/09/26 [23:30] <+developerz-1> exactly
2008/09/26 [23:31] <+treeshapiro> i'm really wondering (about who could be undecided at this point) serious question...
2008/09/26 [23:31] <+RHirsch> Obama was specific, but does that matter to people?
2008/09/26 [23:31] <+kflanagan> McSame wants private biz to build the nuke plants, once there are no longer regs to keep them in line
2008/09/26 [23:31] <+developerz-1> Yep Obama was much more specific, McCain was not.
2008/09/26 [23:31] <+RHirsch> Steve that was a great point
2008/09/26 [23:31] <+developerz-1> Obama didn't lose... give me a break.
2008/09/26 [23:32] <+kflanagan> Driven on PA Roads lately, they need spending
2008/09/26 [23:32] <+mterenzio> it's close so a small percentage of undecided can make a diff
2008/09/26 [23:32] <+treeshapiro> i will say that his speech pattern - the protracted pauses - became more noticable (obama)
2008/09/26 [23:32] <+treeshapiro> i could see what comedians would latch onto if and when the time comes
2008/09/26 [23:32] <+kshep> oh jeez
2008/09/26 [23:33] <+developerz-1> No you wrong about him not winning. It was probably a tie...
2008/09/26 [23:33] <+RHirsch> I hope not
2008/09/26 [23:33] <+kshep> Kevin Costner
2008/09/26 [23:33] <+kshep> not spacey
2008/09/26 [23:34] <+mterenzio> There is too much discontent for the Dems to lose
2008/09/26 [23:34] <+RHirsch> he doesn't seem to dive in one direction
2008/09/26 [23:34] <+RHirsch> he seems to reserved
2008/09/26 [23:34] <+kshep> sure. he's an orrator
2008/09/26 [23:34] <+micahwittman> That Kevin Kline in Swing Vote
2008/09/26 [23:34] <+kshep> uh...
2008/09/26 [23:34] <+kflanagan> Definately better when he can use call and response and other speaking techniques
2008/09/26 [23:34] <+kshep> Kostner - http://identi.ca/notice/667310
2008/09/26 [23:35] <+developerz-1> Nit pick our candidates... this is what Democrats do better than anything, which is why we end up losing Presidential elections.
2008/09/26 [23:35] <+kshep> sorry.. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1027862/
2008/09/26 [23:35] <+kshep> tactics
2008/09/26 [23:35] <+kshep> strategy?
2008/09/26 [23:36] <+kshep> which is which :-)
2008/09/26 [23:36] <+RHirsch> obama, seemed to adapt, McCain was headstrong in one direction
2008/09/26 [23:36] <+micahwittman> Nope - Costner - I was wrong
2008/09/26 [23:36] <+kflanagan> Strategy is long term, Tactics are more single action
2008/09/26 [23:36] <+developerz-1> Yes he did.... he said... "you're wrong", "that's just not true"... how many times.
2008/09/26 [23:37] <+kflanagan> McSame did have a stragegy, repeating "don't understand". Obama had a strategy, command facts
2008/09/26 [23:37] <+developerz-1> Exactly, Obama won on Taxes!
2008/09/26 [23:37] <+ursulas> Old people tell young people "you don't understand"
2008/09/26 [23:38] <+developerz-1> I agree McCain, did well with his "don't understand" schtick.
2008/09/26 [23:38] <+mterenzio> lose the republican part?
2008/09/26 [23:38] <@TinaGillmor> "what Sen. Obama doesn't understand...."
2008/09/26 [23:39] <@TinaGillmor> smack
2008/09/26 [23:39] <+Karoli> Tina, but then Senator Obama showed that he did understand
2008/09/26 [23:39] <+kflanagan> Americans do well with 2 words, not so much with a 30 minute conversation
2008/09/26 [23:39] <+developerz-1> Yep, Obama returned fire after everytime McCain said you don't understand
2008/09/26 [23:39] <@TinaGillmor> right but people internalize that statement
2008/09/26 [23:39] <+RHirsch> at the begining I didn't think McCain was speaking over him, but at the end he was
2008/09/26 [23:40] <+ursulas> Biden said the American people are smarter than that
2008/09/26 [23:40] <+micahwittman> Tactic: Like sailing, you tack (the tactic) left then right, (according to conditions) to achieve strategy of taking the most direct line forward
2008/09/26 [23:40] <+ursulas> If you saw McCain beat "you don't understand to death", so did others.
2008/09/26 [23:40] <@TinaGillmor> tweet link http://www.ustream.tv/channel/NewsGang-Live
2008/09/26 [23:40] <+RHirsch> that is true
2008/09/26 [23:41] <+kflanagan> Trickle down, pee on my head and tell me it's raining
2008/09/26 [23:41] <@TinaGillmor> great to see some new folks inthe chat
2008/09/26 [23:41] <+developerz-1> Obama, did point out in the beginning that it was the Bush/McCain deregulation/ tax policies for the rich have led us to this economic crisis.
2008/09/26 [23:41] <+developerz-1> Exactly, wonky doesn't win. That's why McCain did well, cause he just said simple <censored>.
2008/09/26 [23:42] <+kflanagan> There were some attempts, but not enough to tie McSame to Bush
2008/09/26 [23:42] <+jwood> Just joining in so I've missed the begninning of this, but about Pakistan and McCain's condescending tone: Does McCain realize that Pakistan just fired on U.S. helicopters in Khost yesterday?
2008/09/26 [23:42] <+RHirsch> Most people are happy just going on with their lives and will deal with it, they might <censored> but they won't change
2008/09/26 [23:42] <+treeshapiro> simple macho posturing wins the day - when i was in prison - vets - back in 84...
032008/09/26 [23:42] * ustreamer-66125 is now known as richfish-1943
2008/09/26 [23:42] <+mterenzio> the upper middle class wins or loses this election
2008/09/26 [23:42] <+RHirsch> McCain at one point said he would go with the plan
2008/09/26 [23:42] <+mterenzio> or a huge surge in lower class voters
2008/09/26 [23:43] <@TinaGillmor> I think Obama has to get more gutsy
2008/09/26 [23:43] <@TinaGillmor> a little rougher
2008/09/26 [23:43] <+jwood> Pakistani soldiers fired warning shots, but I think the threat shows that Obama has been out in front of this issue, and McCain doesn't really understand the reality on the ground
2008/09/26 [23:43] <+RHirsch> Unfortunately Palin is key, Biden must destroy her :(
2008/09/26 [23:43] <+treeshapiro> pakistan "a failed state" -mccain
2008/09/26 [23:44] <@TinaGillmor> the Couric interview was f*cking scary
2008/09/26 [23:44] <+kflanagan> I think that Biden needs to destroy her, but not come off too harsh
2008/09/26 [23:44] <+developerz-1> If he gets too gutsy/angry... people will start saying Obama is an angry "Black" man.
2008/09/26 [23:44] <+RHirsch> but how can he do that kflanagan?
2008/09/26 [23:44] <@TinaGillmor> yes not anger but tougher
2008/09/26 [23:44] <+developerz-1> it's a fine line.
2008/09/26 [23:44] <+kflanagan> Smarts, just stick to facts, she will implode
2008/09/26 [23:45] <@TinaGillmor> absolutely has to stay away for the angry balck man thing
2008/09/26 [23:45] <+sinewave> did steve just hang up?
2008/09/26 [23:45] <+RHirsch> no
2008/09/26 [23:45] <+sinewave> nope
2008/09/26 [23:45] <+developerz-1> Obama, won that point.
2008/09/26 [23:45] <+developerz-1> McCain won the surge point.
2008/09/26 [23:45] <+RHirsch> I thought they were arguing different points when it came to the surge
2008/09/26 [23:46] <+jwood> treeshapiro -- McCain said Pakistan WAS a failed state (before a military dictatorship he supported); what does he think is happening after Musharraf's ouster and Bhutto's assassination?
2008/09/26 [23:46] <+RHirsch> no
2008/09/26 [23:46] <+RHirsch> it should have though
2008/09/26 [23:46] <+mterenzio> economy has made the war less front and center. . for worse
2008/09/26 [23:46] <+treeshapiro> disturbing yes
2008/09/26 [23:47] <+developerz-1> Exactly, the surge was McCain's strongest part of the debate.
2008/09/26 [23:47] <+micahwittman> Obama was statesman, but McCain didn't stoop low enough to make the difference matter.
2008/09/26 [23:47] <+jwood> hey, is that Doc Searls I hear?
2008/09/26 [23:48] <+mterenzio> the two wars, I should say, becuase we do have two going on
2008/09/26 [23:48] <+treeshapiro> food fight
2008/09/26 [23:48] <+developerz-1> I agree mterenzio, the economy is the biggest factor in the election now.
2008/09/26 [23:48] <+kflanagan> He beats points to a bloody pulp, not that I dislike it
2008/09/26 [23:48] <+kflanagan> But it's not without bias
2008/09/26 [23:48] <+micahwittman> On CNN John King is point man for McCain side tonight
2008/09/26 [23:48] <+treeshapiro> switzerland
2008/09/26 [23:49] <+developerz-1> Liberals bashing other liberals... this is why we lose elections.
2008/09/26 [23:49] <+kflanagan> Rachel really shows off the fact that she's REALLY smart, on this new show
2008/09/26 [23:49] <+developerz-1> Republicans back Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly without fail.
2008/09/26 [23:50] <+treeshapiro> let's vote
2008/09/26 [23:50] <+kshep> you have to have the right attitude to listen to him
2008/09/26 [23:50] <+kshep> if you're in the wrong mood, he's insufferable
2008/09/26 [23:50] <+treeshapiro> link?
2008/09/26 [23:51] <+jwood> Will MSNBC start podcasting Rachel Madddow's show?
2008/09/26 [23:51] <+developerz-1> At least Francine is not running "scared"/ worried after the debate.
2008/09/26 [23:52] <+treeshapiro> Debate Reviews Tilt Heavily Toward Obama... Argument Heats Up Over Iraq, Obama Raises 'Bomb Bomb Iran'... Obama Tells McCain: "You Pretend Like The War Began In 2007"... McCain Gaffe: Claims Pakistan Was Failed State... McCain Never Says "Middle Class" During Debate - huffpo
2008/09/26 [23:52] <+mterenzio> whether you are employed or not affects where you vote in respect to the economy
2008/09/26 [23:52] <+kflanagan> http://www.iptv.org/video/detail.cfm/1274/bmjl_20071214_keith_olbermann
2008/09/26 [23:52] <+developerz-1> The 'Bomb Bomb Iran' comment was awesome dig at McCain.
2008/09/26 [23:53] <+micahwittman> Fonzi had the Jacket, Olbermann the glasses
2008/09/26 [23:53] <+developerz-1> yep
2008/09/26 [23:53] <+jwood> Pointing out the "bomb bomb bomb Iran" snark was perfect
2008/09/26 [23:53] <+mterenzio> the Fonz was for Ike in one episode
2008/09/26 [23:53] <+TheMacMommy> Do you think it was erroneous that Obama kept addressing McCain as John at certain points?
2008/09/26 [23:54] <+TheMacMommy> (I thought addressing him as John was ok — at least he addressed him at all)
2008/09/26 [23:54] <+kflanagan> Who'd have thunk?
2008/09/26 [23:54] <+mterenzio> "I like Ike. My Bike likes Ike" said The Fonz
2008/09/26 [23:54] <+treeshapiro> “John is right”OXFORD, MS — Keeping tabs Obama has said “John is right” five times in the debate so far. Fodder for the next McCain political ad perhaps? UPDATE: 1029pm ET–That was quick. The McCain campaign has put together a montage of Obama’s lines before the debate was even over! - fox
2008/09/26 [23:54] <+jwood> kflanagan, you in Iowa?
2008/09/26 [23:54] <+developerz-1> Yeah, TheMac... I didn't like that.
2008/09/26 [23:54] <+Karoli> Hi TheMacMommy!
2008/09/26 [23:54] <+TheMacMommy> Hi Karoli :)
2008/09/26 [23:54] <+kflanagan> I'm in NC
2008/09/26 [23:55] <+developerz-1> Obama... won on that point.
2008/09/26 [23:55] <+micahwittman> Obama addressing him as "John" seemed fine to me. They are both Senators.
2008/09/26 [23:55] <+TheMacMommy> Tit for tat between McCain being condescending vs Obama calling him John
2008/09/26 [23:55] <+kflanagan> McSame's travels don't mean that he actually learned anything there
2008/09/26 [23:55] <+jwood> (saw the Iowa Public Television -- I've watch the Hawkeyes wrestle on that webpage)
2008/09/26 [23:55] <+jwood> watched
2008/09/26 [23:55] <+TheMacMommy> I thought a first name basis conversation was appropriate, wagging a finger as Gramps wasn't
2008/09/26 [23:55] <+developerz-1> McCain said.... I have this 'old pen'.. that didn't sound good.
2008/09/26 [23:56] <+Karoli> the first name convo didn't bother me. but the snark and the lies...drove me nuts
2008/09/26 [23:56] <+Karoli> wait till the fact checkers come out
2008/09/26 [23:56] <+micahwittman> The debate was like olympic wrestling where there was not take down - not even for a moment
2008/09/26 [23:56] <+developerz-1> America is getting... smarter!!!
2008/09/26 [23:56] <+TheMacMommy> I'm so sick of that freakin Sharpie pen
2008/09/26 [23:56] <@TinaGillmor> tweet link http://www.ustream.tv/channel/NewsGang-Live
2008/09/26 [23:56] <+jwood> McCain's pandering to military personnel could really come back to bite him in the <censored>, given his voting record
2008/09/26 [23:56] <+TheMacMommy> brb
2008/09/26 [23:56] <@TinaGillmor> what's the deal with that sharpie>
2008/09/26 [23:56] <+mterenzio> whaddya mean "we"
2008/09/26 [23:56] <+Karoli> what frustrates me the most is that the republicans LIE
2008/09/26 [23:57] <+Karoli> and apologize later
2008/09/26 [23:57] <+kshep> we do recognize we're obama's base... don't we?
2008/09/26 [23:57] <+kflanagan> He likes to think that he'll use the Sharpie to veto stuff
2008/09/26 [23:57] <+jwood> Karoli, they don't lie, the mis-speak
2008/09/26 [23:57] <+Karoli> kflanagan LOL
2008/09/26 [23:57] <+Karoli> and same to you jwood
2008/09/26 [23:57] <+developerz-1> Dave Letterman... over the last two days had to have hurt McCain...
2008/09/26 [23:57] <+Dayngr> Greetings
2008/09/26 [23:57] <+Dayngr> The way its twittering
2008/09/26 [23:57] <@TinaGillmor> hello and welcome
2008/09/26 [23:57] <+kshep> we really shoulda just made today the election. dial in voting
2008/09/26 [23:58] <+kflanagan> Olbermann said that McSame is buying $5Mil in TV time, including Indiania, where Letterman is from
2008/09/26 [23:58] <+kshep> get this financial crisis resolved
2008/09/26 [23:58] <+mterenzio> @karoli well, thir lies are obvious ; )
2008/09/26 [23:58] <+developerz-1> Obama... would lose if he did <censored> "lie" like McCain
2008/09/26 [23:58] <+kflanagan> Charlotte, NC, lots of gas stations without any gas today
2008/09/26 [23:58] <@theagent> Karoli, and Dems don't Lie? Please...
2008/09/26 [23:58] <@theagent> I did not have sex with that woman...
2008/09/26 [23:58] <+mterenzio> they all lie
2008/09/26 [23:58] <+micahwittman> In reality tv where the audience votes - the most agressive don't win on that alone
2008/09/26 [23:59] <@TinaGillmor> kflanagan... really
2008/09/26 [23:59] <@TinaGillmor> ?
2008/09/26 [23:59] <+RHirsch> Young people don't fracking vote
2008/09/26 [23:59] <+mterenzio> can't get that popular without lies
2008/09/26 [23:59] <+Karoli> theagent he lied to save his <censored>. i'm talking about lying about the other guy
2008/09/26 [23:59] <@theagent> the US is LOST...
2008/09/26 [23:59] <+developerz-1> Because all the liberals would call him out. That's the difference, Republicans don't call out McCains's lies, they stick by their candidate unconditionally.
2008/09/26 [23:59] <+Dayngr> Who needs to watch when the analysts tell us what to believe anyway
2008/09/26 [23:59] <+kflanagan> Only one pipe takes gas to that area, it's disrupted from the storms on the gulf
2008/09/26 [23:59] <+Karoli> Pakistan was a failed state? gimme a break
2008/09/26 [23:59] <+kshep> if you've already made up your mind, why watch the debate?
2008/09/26 [23:59] <+treeshapiro> betting result on daily kos - re word usage
2008/09/26 [23:59] <+scriptingnews> obama won
Session Close: Sat Sep 27 00:00:00 2008