NewsGang and Gillmor Gang IRC Transcripts for 08/14/2008

Gillmor Gang 08.14.08

Session Start: Thu Aug 14 00:00:04 2008
Session Ident: #newsgang-live
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2008/08/14 [15:46] <+petertsantilli> hey everybody!
2008/08/14 [15:50] <+jromeh> hey peter
2008/08/14 [15:51] <+petertsantilli-1> G'day jromeh
2008/08/14 [15:53] <+BruceLerner> Hi all. Monsoon just cam thru. Must move my car into the sun to dry it out. BRB.
2008/08/14 [15:54] <+petertsantilli-1> Sunny & Clear here in So California!
2008/08/14 [15:54] <+kshep> yo
2008/08/14 [15:55] <+petertsantilli> what's up shep!
2008/08/14 [15:56] <+petertsantilli> Hi Bruce
2008/08/14 [15:56] <+petertsantilli> All clear Bruce?!
2008/08/14 [15:57] <+BruceLerner> Passed on. Bright sun, wet car now
2008/08/14 [15:59] <+jromeh> nice sunny and cool here w of Chi, not our usual August yet
2008/08/14 [15:59] <+kshep> no Michael, Francine, or Karoli
2008/08/14 [16:01] <+petertsantilli> we need them!
2008/08/14 [16:01] <@theagent> silence is golden?
2008/08/14 [16:02] <+kshep> silence today
2008/08/14 [16:02] <+kshep> short show ;-)
2008/08/14 [16:03] <@theagent> and this was NewsGang Live for Thursday August 14th, thanks to all those that showed up and especially to those who didn't.
2008/08/14 [16:06] <+michaelnau> three days running on georgia http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0812/p01s08-woeu.html
2008/08/14 [16:07] <+kshep> The US millitary's delivering aid to Georgia
2008/08/14 [16:07] <+kshep> humanitarian aid. airlifting
2008/08/14 [16:07] <+kshep> http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5g0-EO_UZSxnyuK_-JWbtZd5oy79Q
2008/08/14 [16:10] <+kshep> 158 days
2008/08/14 [16:11] <+kshep> so send both Obama and McCain
2008/08/14 [16:11] <+Karoli> @michaelnau 2 days. monday was oil
2008/08/14 [16:11] <+Karoli> sorry, tuesday
2008/08/14 [16:12] <+kshep> Poland joined nato in 1999
2008/08/14 [16:12] <+kshep> Along with Hungary and the Czech republic
2008/08/14 [16:12] <+michaelnau> thanks karoli--one big geopolitical blur
2008/08/14 [16:13] <+kshep> "While Prague signed a radar deal in July, Washington's talks with Warsaw have been grinding on for 15 months."
2008/08/14 [16:14] <+kshep> http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5ihtvkwQvQMO7S117ghAn5bY_LRsw
2008/08/14 [16:14] <+kshep> "Washington aims to base 10 interceptor missiles in Poland plus a radar facility in the neighbouring Czech Republic by 2011-2013 to complete a system already in place in the United States, Greenland and Britain."
2008/08/14 [16:15] <+michaelnau> succinct, informed analysis of nato-south cacausus initiative
2008/08/14 [16:16] <+michaelnau> pro forma
2008/08/14 [16:16] <+petertsantilli> Wow...
2008/08/14 [16:19] <+kshep> if they haven't published a schedule, I'd say it's likely it's not finalized
2008/08/14 [16:19] <+kshep> "super ticket" meaning....?
2008/08/14 [16:19] <+kshep> Reagan/Bush?
2008/08/14 [16:20] <+kshep> The networks will certainly need a schedule
2008/08/14 [16:20] <+kshep> there will certainly be a schedule
2008/08/14 [16:22] <+kshep> http://www.demconvention.com/events/
2008/08/14 [16:23] <+kshep> ...would seem to be where the schedule will show up
2008/08/14 [16:23] <+Karoli> no details there. once I finally got silverlight to work, i realized that
2008/08/14 [16:24] <+kshep> right, but wouldn't that be where they'll post it once it's final?
2008/08/14 [16:24] <+kshep> there's no reason to keep it secret
2008/08/14 [16:25] <+petertsantilli> AP: TANKS MOVING DEEPER INTO GEORGIA
2008/08/14 [16:26] <+kshep> what's the crisis now?
2008/08/14 [16:26] <+Abierto_cc> http://www.it2b.ru/it2b2.view3.page169.html
2008/08/14 [16:27] <+Abierto_cc> http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pdffiles/PUB866.pdf
2008/08/14 [16:27] <+kshep> karoli: http://www.demconvention.com/typical-day/
2008/08/14 [16:27] <+Abierto_cc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Caucasus-ethnic_en.svg
2008/08/14 [16:28] <+kshep> "[in the past...] The final day of the Convention – Thursday – features the nomination of the vice presidential candidate. The Convention concludes with the acceptance speech of the Party’s presidential nominee."
2008/08/14 [16:29] <+kshep> making a void gesture
2008/08/14 [16:29] <+kshep> null gesture
2008/08/14 [16:29] <+Abierto_cc> http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=Ossetia&w=all&s=int
2008/08/14 [16:29] <+kshep> They can do "Who's on First"
2008/08/14 [16:30] <+kshep> nothing will happen AFTER obama's speech
2008/08/14 [16:30] <+kshep> except baloons and confetti
2008/08/14 [16:30] <+Abierto_cc> right kshep
2008/08/14 [16:30] <+kshep> Obama's not an opening act
2008/08/14 [16:31] <+Abierto_cc> he's the main evenet
2008/08/14 [16:31] <+kshep> http://www.demconvention.com/typical-day/
2008/08/14 [16:31] <+Abierto_cc> event
2008/08/14 [16:31] <+exador23> ... and billions of ppl around the world suddenly seeing hope.
2008/08/14 [16:31] <+kshep> in addition to
2008/08/14 [16:32] <+michaelnau> has the hope wave crested in the us?
2008/08/14 [16:32] <+kshep> the first wave broke over the shore with the Germany speech
2008/08/14 [16:32] <+kshep> we're all on vacation waiting for the next wave to build
2008/08/14 [16:33] <+michaelnau> can that same intensity be generated again
2008/08/14 [16:33] <+kshep> well, it's sorta like an athlete timing their peak to correspond to a big event
2008/08/14 [16:33] <+kshep> you can't peak all season
2008/08/14 [16:33] <+Abierto_cc> The Convention concludes with the acceptance speech of the Party’s presidential nominee.
2008/08/14 [16:33] <+Abierto_cc> that's when the next wave breaks
2008/08/14 [16:34] <+Abierto_cc> senator from tel aviv
2008/08/14 [16:34] <+exador23> following the gillmor approach, i'm outta here if the focus continues to be veep speculation. what if's don't interest me.
2008/08/14 [16:34] <+kshep> well, they need to time stuff such that a wave breaks around, say, the first tuesday of Nov
2008/08/14 [16:34] <+kshep> problem is as soon as you do that, exador23, the topic chnages ;-)
2008/08/14 [16:35] <+exador23> It's just gotten really old kshep.
2008/08/14 [16:35] <+kshep> me=choir, exador23
2008/08/14 [16:36] <+Abierto_cc> http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pdffiles/PUB866.pdf this link is really a good indicator of who, how, and what the waves of public relations propaganda are about
2008/08/14 [16:36] <+Abierto_cc> hugh romney
2008/08/14 [16:37] <+Abierto_cc> that's me
2008/08/14 [16:37] <+kshep> that's Abierto_cc
2008/08/14 [16:37] <+kshep> ^^^^
2008/08/14 [16:37] <+kshep> right there
2008/08/14 [16:37] <+Abierto_cc> just in chat
2008/08/14 [16:38] <+michaelnau> pravda rolled
2008/08/14 [16:38] <+kshep> whose conventional wisdom is that?
2008/08/14 [16:38] <+petertsantilli> DRUDGE REPORTING: MUSHARRAF TO STEP DOWN IN DAYS
2008/08/14 [16:39] <+Abierto_cc> won't the PR Patriot carry the whole weight??
2008/08/14 [16:39] <+Karoli> ugh to pdfs hanging the whole browser
2008/08/14 [16:39] <+Abierto_cc> he doesn't need a VP
2008/08/14 [16:40] <+Karoli> exador23 are you still in here?
2008/08/14 [16:40] <+jromeh> conservatives won't vote for anyone who wants to conserve !
2008/08/14 [16:40] <+Abierto_cc> his position on women and pow camps is enough
2008/08/14 [16:40] <+Karoli> the discussion is more around the gesture than the fact
2008/08/14 [16:40] <+kshep> McCain "has to go conservative or he loses" is mirror of Obama "has to pick hillary or he loses"
2008/08/14 [16:40] <+kshep> it's an opinion. everyone has one.
2008/08/14 [16:40] <+jromeh> not if they're not going to change camps
2008/08/14 [16:40] <+exador23> to be more accurate. veep issue is all about polling. I care about *issues*
2008/08/14 [16:41] <+Abierto_cc> what makes them think that?
2008/08/14 [16:41] <+jromeh> only if they think their base will stay home as they view it as a lost cause
2008/08/14 [16:41] <+Abierto_cc> hash
2008/08/14 [16:41] <+Abierto_cc> need access to that 'stani hash, isn't that what it's about?
2008/08/14 [16:41] <+kshep> Wait...don't they want to get rid of him because he's a military dictator?
2008/08/14 [16:41] <+kshep> there ya go
2008/08/14 [16:42] <+kshep> "Faced with desertions by his political supporters and the neutrality of the Pakistani military..."
2008/08/14 [16:42] <+kshep> http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=723681\
2008/08/14 [16:43] <+kshep> "Faced with desertions by his political supporters and the neutrality of the Pakistani military, President Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan, an important ally of the United States, is expected to resign in the next few days rather than face impeachment charges, Pakistani politicians and Western diplomat
2008/08/14 [16:43] <+kshep> ...and Western diplomats said Thursday."
2008/08/14 [16:43] <+kshep> -- NYT http://bit.ly/rVvyr
2008/08/14 [16:44] <+Abierto_cc> nation states are pretty much stage dressing these days for broader and more fundamental power jockeying amongst an oligarchic elite that thinks they own the planet
2008/08/14 [16:44] <+exador23> I think the georgia issue a ploy to replace terrorism fear with old standby The Red Scare.
2008/08/14 [16:44] <+Abierto_cc> the dips talk for the ruling elite
2008/08/14 [16:44] <+jromeh> umm.. an important ally of the outgoing GWB administration of the US
2008/08/14 [16:44] <+michaelnau> diplomats need urdu?
2008/08/14 [16:44] <+michaelnau> shactly abi
2008/08/14 [16:44] <+Karoli> michaelnau yes
2008/08/14 [16:44] <+michaelnau> which means english anyways
2008/08/14 [16:44] <+Karoli> and farsi
2008/08/14 [16:45] <+petertsantilli> Abierto: Are you on Twitter?
2008/08/14 [16:45] <+Karoli> urdu and farsi in 2 months
2008/08/14 [16:45] <+jromeh> karoli my uncle learned russion at monterey in the 60s
2008/08/14 [16:45] <+jromeh> russian
2008/08/14 [16:45] <+michaelnau> ndl, monterrey, sassi, thats for anthropologists and signals ppl
2008/08/14 [16:45] <+kshep> so she can't be qualified to be an ambassador?
2008/08/14 [16:45] <+jromeh> then xlated in berlin
2008/08/14 [16:45] <+michaelnau> went through seassi myself, and no diplos in training
2008/08/14 [16:46] <+exador23> I learned po-russky in college during the cold war. forgotten most of it
2008/08/14 [16:46] <+kshep> there will be a schedule
2008/08/14 [16:46] <+kshep> it's televised, right?
2008/08/14 [16:46] <+kshep> in theory?
2008/08/14 [16:46] <+jromeh> once played tennis on the officer's courts with another uncle in the 90s
2008/08/14 [16:46] <+jromeh> officers looked at us funny when they arrived, but let us play
2008/08/14 [16:47] <+Karoli> @jromeh that's wild :) Monterey is awesome
2008/08/14 [16:47] <+Abierto_cc> @peters yes
2008/08/14 [16:47] <+kshep> when were the 2004 schedules published?
2008/08/14 [16:47] <+petertsantilli> Hillary Clinton taps her own video production team for Democratic convention: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/08/13/2008-08-13_hillary_clinton_taps_her_own_video_produ.html
2008/08/14 [16:47] <+Karoli> that's interesting, peter
2008/08/14 [16:47] <+kshep> what's the accepted lead time for publication of a political party's convention schedule?
2008/08/14 [16:48] <+kshep> what's the precedent?
2008/08/14 [16:48] <+Karoli> @kshep no clue
2008/08/14 [16:48] <+petertsantilli> "Clinton negotiators insisted on Hillary having her own video team instead of letting Barack Obama's convention planners handle the production."
2008/08/14 [16:48] <+jromeh> rd theagent: I'm off NGL at the moment be back in 10
2008/08/14 [16:48] <+Karoli> thanks jromeh
2008/08/14 [16:48] <+Abierto_cc> anyone following the assassination of Dem Partyy functionary in Arkansas??
2008/08/14 [16:49] <+petertsantilli> Abierto: What's your Twitter name
2008/08/14 [16:49] <+kshep> hard to call it an assassination, Abierto
2008/08/14 [16:49] <+Abierto_cc> abierto_cc
2008/08/14 [16:49] <+exador23> @kshep I know the "non-lethal" riot gear & ammunitions are ordered months in advance by the host city.
2008/08/14 [16:49] <+Karoli> abierto i have been. don't really understand what made him do that
2008/08/14 [16:49] <+Karoli> attention?
2008/08/14 [16:49] <+kshep> that's why I think it's hard to call it an assassination
2008/08/14 [16:50] <+jromeh> abierto subbed
2008/08/14 [16:50] <+Abierto_cc> cool!
2008/08/14 [16:51] <+Abierto_cc> I only headr someone was killed
2008/08/14 [16:51] <+Abierto_cc> didn't follow the journo on it
2008/08/14 [16:51] <+Abierto_cc> heard
2008/08/14 [16:51] <+Karoli> dpm
2008/08/14 [16:51] <+Karoli> don't think it was an assassination
2008/08/14 [16:51] <+Karoli> just random horrible pathetic violence
2008/08/14 [16:52] <+Abierto_cc> sad
2008/08/14 [16:52] <+jromeh> but didn't he ask for the guy specifically?
2008/08/14 [16:52] <+Abierto_cc> did it have any effect on the Clinton team?
2008/08/14 [16:52] <+Karoli> @jromeh i hadn't heard that
2008/08/14 [16:52] <+petertsantilli> Video: Georgian TV reporter shot by Russian sniper during live broadcast carries on with her report http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23532788-details/Video%3A+Georgian+TV+reporter+shot+by+Russian+sniper+during+live+broadcast+carries+on+with+her+report+with+bleeding+arm/article.do
2008/08/14 [16:53] <+Karoli> peter can you tiny url that or something?
2008/08/14 [16:53] <+petertsantilli> sorry
2008/08/14 [16:53] <+jromeh> read he asked for him, then barged past secretary who said he couldn't see him
2008/08/14 [16:54] <+Karoli> jromeh the report i read said he asked to volunteer and then pushed past
2008/08/14 [16:55] <+exador23> and the democrats voted along with the war mongers. that's why we're pissed.
2008/08/14 [16:55] <+michaelnau> tennis bracelet scarring on journo
2008/08/14 [16:55] <+Abierto_cc> makes a lot of atomic subs
2008/08/14 [16:55] <+jromeh> volunteer was first story, they said obviously false, then asked for by name, barged past when told no
2008/08/14 [16:56] <+kshep> @#$@# firefox
2008/08/14 [16:56] <+jromeh> at least that's what read soon after it happened
2008/08/14 [16:56] <+kshep> define "dirtbag"
2008/08/14 [16:56] <+michaelnau> be civil
2008/08/14 [16:56] <+kshep> Anybody have a link to the International Dirtbaginess Scale
2008/08/14 [16:56] <+kshep> ?
2008/08/14 [16:58] <+michaelnau> that's democracy, right?
2008/08/14 [16:59] <+hardaway> Hi chat room. I'm home
2008/08/14 [17:00] <+michaelnau> hi
2008/08/14 [17:01] <+BruceLerner> Hi Francine
2008/08/14 [17:02] <+exador23> the democrats need to get better at fighting language hijacking.
2008/08/14 [17:02] <+kshep> too much warning, Karoli
2008/08/14 [17:03] <+BruceLerner> figures, skype is working just fine now.
2008/08/14 [17:03] <+kshep> it's not just you, francine
2008/08/14 [17:03] <+michaelnau> here too
2008/08/14 [17:03] <+kshep> there's no good way to balance things
2008/08/14 [17:04] <+kshep> re levels
2008/08/14 [17:04] <@TinaGillmor> he sounds low to me
2008/08/14 [17:04] <+exador23> ditto to kshep. i count 2 distorted audio feeds. try turning down levels
2008/08/14 [17:04] <+jromeh> usually true about Peter here, but today he was soft on ustream
2008/08/14 [17:04] <+jromeh> christian was loud and overloading
2008/08/14 [17:04] <+Abierto_cc> bye all
2008/08/14 [17:04] <+exador23> p.s. I'm an audio engineer.
2008/08/14 [17:05] <+kshep> dude. that disqualifies you
2008/08/14 [17:05] <@theagent> exador23, we don't have individual channel control on this audio
2008/08/14 [17:06] <+kshep> Tina: Any unusual guests on GG today?
2008/08/14 [17:06] <+exador23>
2008/08/14 [17:06] <+kshep> unusual? special? noteable?
2008/08/14 [17:06] <@theagent> it's all be facilitated on a conference bridge. That bridge routes through a virtual audio buss
2008/08/14 [17:06] <+kshep> don't knwo whtat the right term is
2008/08/14 [17:06] <+exador23> the distortion most likely come from each source. mic to computer.
2008/08/14 [17:06] <@theagent> exador23, yes.. distortion is happening on individual ends.
2008/08/14 [17:07] <+kshep> next thing you know we'll be doing sound checks
2008/08/14 [17:07] <+kshep> and coming up with some order by which people say "X is here"
2008/08/14 [17:07] <@theagent> though we do incur some static based on the quality of the VoIP call comeing to me
2008/08/14 [17:07] <@theagent> lol
2008/08/14 [17:08] <+exador23> if levels are good w/ each user's side, then connection would be the nect thing to check, yes.
2008/08/14 [17:08] <+kshep> Funny sound check bit: http://youlooknicetoday.com/episode/early-bird
2008/08/14 [17:08] <+kshep> check out the first minute or two
2008/08/14 [17:09] <+exador23> cool. I'm outta here.
2008/08/14 [17:09] <@theagent> Merlin and crew is hilarious.. haven't checked anything out from youlooknicetoday in a while
2008/08/14 [17:09] <+kshep> "Tropical fish....tropical fish...."
2008/08/14 [17:10] <@theagent> yeah.. that was hilarious.
2008/08/14 [17:11] <+kshep> Wuthering Heighttsssss
2008/08/14 [17:11] <+kshep> I'm really tempted to just set up hotdogsladies on identica
2008/08/14 [17:11] <+jromeh> l8r heading to hideout for James Hunter
2008/08/14 [17:11] <+kshep> put up merlin's logo
2008/08/14 [17:11] <+kshep> and just port everything over from twitter
2008/08/14 [17:11] <+kshep> same for scott and adam
2008/08/14 [17:12] <+hardaway> http://tinyurl.com/5w3fd2
2008/08/14 [17:13] <+kshep> Oh sure. Just dump some blind link in here.
2008/08/14 [17:13] <+hardaway> We are seen as imperialists by Guardian UK
2008/08/14 [17:13] <+kshep> ah
2008/08/14 [17:13] <+kshep> that
2008/08/14 [17:13] <+kshep> :-)
2008/08/14 [17:13] <+hardaway> Now don't you wish I'd left it blind?
2008/08/14 [17:14] <+kshep> nah
2008/08/14 [17:15] <+kshep> I wonder how many combat brigades we could deploy in Georgia today?
2008/08/14 [17:15] <+kshep> hm
2008/08/14 [17:15] <+kshep> I mean how many are combat ready
2008/08/14 [17:15] <+kshep> that aren't already deployed
2008/08/14 [17:16] <+kshep> one country can't just take in and steal territory off the shelf, the security guard will chace him. But if more than one try, next thing you know, you've got full on looting
2008/08/14 [17:17] <+kshep> north korea next
2008/08/14 [17:17] <+kshep> china taiwan
2008/08/14 [17:18] <+kshep> panama canal
2008/08/14 [17:20] <+hardaway> eek!
2008/08/14 [17:20] <+kshep> Next thing you know, Romans...er... I mean American's won't be safe anywhere
2008/08/14 [18:36] <+amyloo> marc, you could sing while we wait
2008/08/14 [18:37] <@theagent> stevegillmor, video will be stable today... hit me up on skype if you want vid up
2008/08/14 [18:38] <@TinaGillmor> audio out
2008/08/14 [18:38] <@TinaGillmor> up
2008/08/14 [18:40] <@theagent> lol..yeah over 40 sucks
2008/08/14 [18:40] <@theagent> nobody takes us serious
2008/08/14 [18:40] <@theagent> though we've been talking about this <censored> for over 15 years
2008/08/14 [18:41] <@theagent> openSocial dataserver
2008/08/14 [18:42] <@theagent> same question last night to Kevin Marks at Mahalo Tech meetup... he just grinned
2008/08/14 [18:45] <@theagent> there are a few PST converters out there
2008/08/14 [18:45] <+alexbellinger1> yup
2008/08/14 [18:45] <+amyloo> with apps for domains?
2008/08/14 [18:45] <+alexbellinger1> it is
2008/08/14 [18:46] <@theagent> http://www.labnol.org/internet/email/export-outlook-email-to-gmail-pst-backup/1938/
2008/08/14 [18:46] <+alexbellinger1> I exported Outlook emails to Thunderbird, then set up IMAP and imported to gmail
2008/08/14 [18:46] <@theagent> instructions on google
2008/08/14 [18:46] <@theagent> URL has instructions
2008/08/14 [18:46] <+alexbellinger1> but Jerry's might be more efficient
2008/08/14 [18:47] <@theagent> tweeting to Marc
2008/08/14 [18:53] <@theagent> no.. I'll just take Laconica open source and fork it for you with the limit intact ;-)
2008/08/14 [18:56] <@theagent> #hashtags is exactly how people have attempted to do what Marc is suggesting
2008/08/14 [18:56] <@theagent> GUID to a conversation
2008/08/14 [18:57] <@theagent> append the comments from diverse sites to each other
2008/08/14 [18:57] <@theagent> appending JSON data payloads
2008/08/14 [18:58] <@theagent> so stupid... a dent
2008/08/14 [19:00] <@theagent> semantic conversations
2008/08/14 [19:01] <@theagent> your view is ephemeral
2008/08/14 [19:03] <@theagent> your going to 'paint' your mark on the piece
2008/08/14 [19:03] <@theagent> trackbacks
2008/08/14 [19:04] <@theagent> my lord I'm regressing back to Ted Nelson talks
2008/08/14 [19:08] <@theagent> context switches
2008/08/14 [19:09] <@theagent> it all gets painted to a defined canvas
2008/08/14 [19:10] <@theagent> intelligence on the attention that understand identity and context
2008/08/14 [19:10] <@theagent> you can have all this brought back to instant recall
2008/08/14 [19:10] <@theagent> based on context
2008/08/14 [19:11] <@theagent> knock knock knock... is this thing on?
2008/08/14 [19:12] <+WebPixie> the chat is on ;)
2008/08/14 [19:13] <+WebPixie> it is here, anyway. along with audio
2008/08/14 [19:13] <@theagent> here comes version control
2008/08/14 [19:13] <+WebPixie> of course
2008/08/14 [19:14] <@theagent> version control
2008/08/14 [19:14] <+WebPixie> not that i know any more than vaguely what you mean; trying to grasp what i can of what i'm hearing
2008/08/14 [19:15] <@theagent> there is individual URI per tweet
2008/08/14 [19:17] <@theagent> GNIP example of twitter feed...
2008/08/14 [19:17] <@theagent> <activity guid="http://twitter.com/debsterbug/statuses/887911784" type="tweet" uid="debsterbug" at="2008-08-14T23:15:01Z"/>
2008/08/14 [19:17] <+kshep> Jerry: fyi http://mail.laconi.ca/pipermail/laconica-dev/2008-August/000251.html
2008/08/14 [19:18] <+kshep> It is going to happen. There are people working on it right this second.
2008/08/14 [19:19] <@theagent> kshep, sorry x-chat died.. can you repost that link?
2008/08/14 [19:19] <+kshep> http://mail.laconi.ca/pipermail/laconica-dev/2008-August/000251.html
2008/08/14 [19:19] <+kshep> re ec2 image of laconica
2008/08/14 [19:19] <+kshep> :-)
2008/08/14 [19:20] <@theagent> ah... nice
2008/08/14 [19:20] <+kshep> After having worked with XMPP on identica, I'm quite sure that one of the primary reasons twitter has XMPP off is because they can't handle the vol of traffic that would result
2008/08/14 [19:20] <+alexbellinger1> can xmpp ever handle twitter-like volume?
2008/08/14 [19:20] <+kshep> the latency keeps traffic volume down
2008/08/14 [19:21] <+kshep> sure
2008/08/14 [19:21] <@theagent> LOL
2008/08/14 [19:21] <+kshep> not having XMPP throttles the system
2008/08/14 [19:21] <+kshep> if you have XMPP, people use it like instant msging/IRC and you get a spike in traffic
2008/08/14 [19:21] <+alexbellinger1> so it breaks?
2008/08/14 [19:22] <+kshep> no, XMPP doesn't break
2008/08/14 [19:22] <+kshep> it just genreates a ton more traffic for twitter, and when you're getting "too many tweets" fail whales...
2008/08/14 [19:22] <+kshep> ...an easy way to throttle tweet rate
2008/08/14 [19:22] <+kshep> is kepe XMPP of
2008/08/14 [19:22] <+kshep> keep XMPP off
2008/08/14 [19:23] <@stevegillmor> the reason XMPP is turned off is the same reason Microsoft hasn't released an on-demand Office
2008/08/14 [19:24] <@stevegillmor> NOT technology
2008/08/14 [19:24] <@stevegillmor> BUSINESS
2008/08/14 [19:24] <+alexbellinger1> so identi.ca servers won't fall over?
2008/08/14 [19:24] <@theagent> if you want to be entertained.. go look at the raw current bucket for Twitter from GNIP and keep refreshing.
2008/08/14 [19:24] <@stevegillmor> not when they have a small subset of Twitter users
2008/08/14 [19:25] <+alexbellinger1> but, if they did it becomes a technology problem
2008/08/14 [19:25] <@theagent> stevegillmor, I don't disagree with Steve on this one... they stubbed their toes on a potential revenue generator
2008/08/14 [19:25] <+alexbellinger1> same as ditching SMS then
2008/08/14 [19:26] <@stevegillmor> if pigs flew we would have a problem
2008/08/14 [19:26] <@stevegillmor> but they don't and we don't and neither does identica
2008/08/14 [19:26] <+alexbellinger1> people in Europe are falling overthemselves trying to pay for twitter dm SMS
2008/08/14 [19:27] <+alexbellinger1> thanks for the show. bye bye
2008/08/14 [19:28] <@stevegillmor> if twitter could figure out the business is track, they could implement it
2008/08/14 [19:28] <@stevegillmor> thx alex
2008/08/14 [19:29] <+kshep> duh
2008/08/14 [19:29] <+kshep> sorry... duh was response to something way up the log
2008/08/14 [19:29] <+kshep> not you guys
2008/08/14 [19:32] <+kshep> I don't disagree that full public feed XMPP availablility is a business issue... but the fact that an individual can't post/view via XMPP?
2008/08/14 [19:32] <+kshep> I say that's to throttle traffic
Session Close: Fri Aug 15 00:00:03 2008