NewsGang and Gillmor Gang IRC Transcripts for 07/09/2008

NewsGang Live 07.09.08

Session Start: Wed Jul 09 00:00:02 2008
Session Ident: #newsgang-live
2008/07/09 [03:26] <@Matt> This is live?
2008/07/09 [03:26] <+jasonlbaptiste> i think so?
2008/07/09 [03:28] <+jromeh> "recorded from TechCrunch HQ"
2008/07/09 [03:28] <+jromeh> loic tweeted about roadwork at night on 101 a few minutes ago
2008/07/09 [03:41] <+human2> just caught the tweet, Jer...interesting.
2008/07/09 [03:43] <+jromeh> back around, heading for sleep, thx Jerry
2008/07/09 [11:27] <@theagent> stream going down... off for the commute in... be back in a bit
2008/07/09 [13:07] <+shareme> hmm must be long commute
2008/07/09 [13:21] <+jromeh> "commuting into office. fun fun fun" (mine was, 3.02m @15.5, 11:46et braving drivers as late after watching the backyard thing too late)
2008/07/09 [13:23] <+jromeh> hey to fred and ken, larry too, followed you overnight
2008/07/09 [13:24] <+shareme> at least with this new potential gig not communting from NW Indiana into dwt Chicao :)
2008/07/09 [13:24] <+shareme> Company is Assembla.com
2008/07/09 [13:24] <+jromeh> still percolating, hope it happens!
2008/07/09 [13:25] <+shareme> final contract edit submitted yesterday awaiting final approval of my edits
2008/07/09 [13:26] <+jromeh> looks pretty cool, congrats in advance
2008/07/09 [13:26] <+shareme> Thanks
2008/07/09 [13:26] <+jromeh> and on your diss, you guy from "a suburb of Chicago" ;)
2008/07/09 [13:27] <+shareme> hehe Yes westivell in NW Indiana near Michigan City and Lake MIchigan
2008/07/09 [13:28] <+shareme> whoops Westville
2008/07/09 [13:28] <+jromeh> westville, didn't realize that far out, used to deliver and route trucks out to there back in the '80s
2008/07/09 [13:29] <+shareme> Yeah my Father us eot drive truck dialy to Chicao 1970s
2008/07/09 [13:30] <+shareme> its 60 minutes form dwt Chicago
2008/07/09 [13:30] <+jromeh> we went out that way (valpo, chesterton, laporte) about once a week only
2008/07/09 [13:31] <+shareme> Yeah I am 15 minutes from Vlop/Chesterton
2008/07/09 [13:31] <+jromeh> cool, also close to dunes and train
2008/07/09 [13:32] <+shareme> Yes my pick of DUnes in Indiana and Michigan beaches
2008/07/09 [13:32] <+jromeh> great sunsets
2008/07/09 [13:34] <+jromeh> last year did an epic solo cycle to SE side, over just into NW IN, down to 130th, got both Burnham Greenway and Major Taylor (from Elmhurst)
2008/07/09 [13:34] <+jromeh> epic for me, anyway
2008/07/09 [13:35] <+shareme> My biking is sually country roads most o fthe small tosn aordn here I can reach without highways
2008/07/09 [13:36] <+shareme> whoops towans
2008/07/09 [13:36] <+shareme> whoops towns
2008/07/09 [13:38] <+shareme> I finally got my father biking again
2008/07/09 [13:39] <+jromeh> great, nice to have those, use paths to avoid drivers when can
2008/07/09 [13:39] <+jromeh> npr interview with biz stone: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92177969
2008/07/09 [13:42] <+jromeh> my dad passed 2 months ago tomorrow, was riding 2k/year until a year or so before when ALS struck, an inspiration!
2008/07/09 [13:42] <+jromeh> "we want to make a sustainable company out of the service"
2008/07/09 [13:43] <+shareme> in mine I want ot keep my dad alive alittle longer so bikign one of he ways to get him to loose wait and get his high blood presure down
2008/07/09 [13:44] <+jromeh> good, and low impact as well, as long as stay up on the bike ;) took a nasty spill last week myself
2008/07/09 [13:44] <+jromeh> but nothing broken, unless the very sore rib is fractured
2008/07/09 [13:45] <+jromeh> doing about 4k/year now, mostly 6.25 trips to and from work
2008/07/09 [13:48] <+shareme> if you can breathe without pain not broken
2008/07/09 [13:49] <+jromeh> breathe, yes, cough, no - figured even if a slight fracture, all they'd do is say rest and bill me ;)
2008/07/09 [13:50] <+shareme> you might have borken one of he floating ribs, ie the small ones at the bottom of ribcage
2008/07/09 [13:50] <+jromeh> also some rash on shin & elbow, gigantic deep bruise to thigh
2008/07/09 [13:51] <+jromeh> this seems higher, middle of left side, probably just jolted hard, landed on bars there as they were driven into ground
2008/07/09 [13:51] <+jromeh> bike was ok but for scratches
2008/07/09 [13:52] <+jromeh> metal grate bridge with drizzle - d'oh!
2008/07/09 [13:52] <+jromeh> thankfully momentum carried past bridge onto pavement, as bridge woulda been cutting
2008/07/09 [13:53] <+shareme> usually the only spills I take is when I miss judgd hill terrain..usualy sand
2008/07/09 [13:54] <+jromeh> right - gravel at bottom of hill is always treacherous, respected
2008/07/09 [13:54] <+jromeh> since year round, snow and ice require care
032008/07/09 [13:54] * theagent changes topic to 'NewsGang Live at 1:00 PDT and a special GillmorGang live from Adobe'
032008/07/09 [13:55] * theagent changes topic to 'NewsGang Live at 1:00 PDT and a special GillmorGang live from Adobe @ 1:30 PDT'
2008/07/09 [13:55] <+jromeh> this was in top two crashes in lifetime, first a cable across forest preserve entrance in '80s
2008/07/09 [13:55] <+jromeh> didn't expect it, saw it last second
2008/07/09 [13:55] <@theagent> v
2008/07/09 [13:55] <@theagent> NewsGang Live at 1:00 PDT and a special GillmorGang live from Adobe @ 1:30 PDT
2008/07/09 [13:56] <+jromeh> thanks, Jerry, how was that drive?
2008/07/09 [13:57] <@theagent> commute on train... always fun.
2008/07/09 [13:57] <+jromeh> ah, misunderstood, they always say there's no public transit in SoCal ;)
2008/07/09 [13:59] <@theagent> I take, one train, one subway and one bus
2008/07/09 [13:59] <+jromeh> you have EVDO or such for train? at dotcom in 2000, a couple guys used to limo 40 miles and work together on the way, though unconnected
2008/07/09 [13:59] <+jromeh> bev hills from OC, correct?
2008/07/09 [14:00] <@theagent> I use the train for what little down time I have.. primarily reading.
2008/07/09 [14:01] <+jromeh> nice to have a respite ;)
2008/07/09 [14:03] <+jromeh> what was missed when moved from car to bike was tunes, though headphones aren't safe, now run an iHome iH19 on mini-aero bars with 15GB 3G inside, held on with elastic straps - geeky, but it works
2008/07/09 [14:04] <+jromeh> and they're cheap now, got a spare at costco for $30, first one was $80
2008/07/09 [14:05] <+jromeh> nice to have chargers both at home and work
2008/07/09 [14:19] <@theagent> francine, you around?
2008/07/09 [14:56] <+shareme> oh oh democrats are blowing it again see http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/5951.html
2008/07/09 [15:11] <+jromeh> via mickeleh: The Senate is minutes away from voting as Jonathan Turley put it, to hollow out the 4th Amendment and coverup Bush felonies. Ah, Democracy. (40 mins ago)
2008/07/09 [15:45] <+shareme> yes but final play i swhen Supreme COurt rules that unconstitutional
2008/07/09 [15:48] <@theagent> francine.. are you around?
2008/07/09 [15:49] <+michaelpinto> maybe steve can find out when adobe will put flash on the iPhone
2008/07/09 [15:49] <+michaelpinto> this music sounds like a bad copy of Sting
2008/07/09 [15:50] <+michaelpinto> "it's such a perfect day" - who are these twits?
2008/07/09 [15:57] <+kshep> the iotum hold music just never gets old
2008/07/09 [15:57] <+kshep> it was old the first time
2008/07/09 [15:59] <+shareme> McCain music?
2008/07/09 [16:00] <@theagent> francine will come in on the bridge
2008/07/09 [16:00] <@theagent> anyone else have a camera I can throw you on
2008/07/09 [16:00] <@TinaGillmor> hi Francine
2008/07/09 [16:00] <@TinaGillmor> show will start in a few miinutes
2008/07/09 [16:01] <@theagent> truphone is ok
2008/07/09 [16:01] <+kshep> video isn't as good :-(
2008/07/09 [16:01] <@theagent> video is tons bettter?
2008/07/09 [16:01] <+kshep> not here.
2008/07/09 [16:01] <@TinaGillmor> MichaelPinto... Steve says he will ask but sure the anwser is never
2008/07/09 [16:01] <@theagent> huh?
2008/07/09 [16:01] <+shareme> yes
2008/07/09 [16:01] <+connectedgeek-2> hello all :)
2008/07/09 [16:02] <+kshep> Francine's video isn't anywhere as good here
2008/07/09 [16:02] <+jromeh> not as clear, but wider aspect ratio
2008/07/09 [16:02] <@theagent> well this way she gets recorded... when she's in cohost mode she doesn't... we need to start recording everyone
2008/07/09 [16:03] <+shareme> Democrat Congres major leader wants no republs to blog or post to internet
2008/07/09 [16:04] <+michaeln> but is that a "flip-flop"?
2008/07/09 [16:04] <+shareme> only can after democrats approve it
2008/07/09 [16:05] <+jromeh> understand jerry, it's still very good
2008/07/09 [16:05] <+jromeh> timing is closer now, less lag
2008/07/09 [16:06] <@theagent> should be no worse then Steve's video
2008/07/09 [16:07] <+michaeln> the kennedy kids?
2008/07/09 [16:07] <+michaeln> right--
2008/07/09 [16:10] <@TinaGillmor> tweet link http://ustream.tv/channel/NewsGang-Live
2008/07/09 [16:12] <+WebPixie> it's like high school all over again
2008/07/09 [16:12] <+jromeh> obama was a child then
2008/07/09 [16:13] <+WebPixie> the 60's still aren't over
2008/07/09 [16:14] <+kshep> patriotn. 1. a person who vigorously supports their country and is prepared to defend it against enemies or detractors. - oxford university press dictionary
2008/07/09 [16:14] <+mterenzio> that's fine but you can't just walk away once you are there
2008/07/09 [16:14] <@TinaGillmor> kshep...interesting definition
2008/07/09 [16:15] <+RonSchott> The problem with the press is that many of them lack the honesty to call "Bullshit" when they see it.
2008/07/09 [16:15] <+kshep> "patriot" means different things to different people. It's sort of a strawman, imho
2008/07/09 [16:16] <+jromeh> we're vigorously supporting our country by getting rid of a bunch of criminals
2008/07/09 [16:16] <+michaeln> just call it OED
2008/07/09 [16:17] <+jromeh> when your leaders become enemies of the country...
2008/07/09 [16:17] <+WebPixie> seems pretty narrow to me too
2008/07/09 [16:17] <+jromeh> has the president done that?
2008/07/09 [16:18] <+michaeln> when british soldiers were roaming lexington
2008/07/09 [16:19] <+michaeln> which is not always a bad thing
2008/07/09 [16:19] <+mterenzio> vote for Ron Paul!!!
2008/07/09 [16:19] <+shareme> DC has no fireamr law just got voted down by judge
2008/07/09 [16:20] <+mterenzio> Torture isn't covered in the constitution
2008/07/09 [16:20] <+michaeln> who many were involved in government then?
2008/07/09 [16:21] <+kshep> time for another revolution? (joke)
2008/07/09 [16:21] <+shareme> it is indirectly
2008/07/09 [16:21] <+mterenzio> From Twitter: sparkycollier: Article I section 9 of the Constitution:"No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed" The Dem leadership is crooked. Wake up.
2008/07/09 [16:21] <+mterenzio> Sparky's words not mine
2008/07/09 [16:22] <+shareme> two parties delegated their right to declare war to Bush notjut one folks
2008/07/09 [16:22] <+jromeh> so sparky, how do signing statements slip in?
2008/07/09 [16:22] <+WebPixie> merriam-webster online: patriotism - : love for or devotion to one's country
2008/07/09 [16:22] <+kshep> pfft. websters
2008/07/09 [16:22] <+WebPixie> hahaha
2008/07/09 [16:22] <+WebPixie> pfft? whassis?
2008/07/09 [16:22] <+michaeln> patriotic american dictionary
2008/07/09 [16:23] <+mterenzio> one thing is for sure if you are in a war this long call a draft. It's not fair for are service people to be "detained" for ten years
2008/07/09 [16:23] <+mterenzio> our
2008/07/09 [16:23] <+michaelpinto> yeah it's francine! bring on the doggies...
2008/07/09 [16:23] <+shareme> it sin theri contrac they sign
2008/07/09 [16:23] <+WebPixie> you're really right, mterenzio
2008/07/09 [16:24] <+jromeh> if we can't do it under the constitution, we'll just move it offshore ;)
2008/07/09 [16:24] <+kshep> hmmm nationalism v. patriotism
2008/07/09 [16:24] <@theagent> need to get this guy on the show
2008/07/09 [16:24] <@theagent> johnculberson: I am Qikking live now - sign on at qik.com/johnculbersonhttp://qik.com/video/125456
2008/07/09 [16:24] <+jromeh> jingoism
2008/07/09 [16:25] <+michaelpinto> how about humanitarianism vs nationalism?
2008/07/09 [16:25] <+kshep> culberson's being interviewed by fox news
2008/07/09 [16:25] <+hardaway> Doggies are currently sleeping. Buppy had a shot of Benadryl.
2008/07/09 [16:25] <+shareme> nice
2008/07/09 [16:25] <+WebPixie> thought i heard a puppy crying; guess not
2008/07/09 [16:26] <+michaelpinto> hard to be a doggie!
2008/07/09 [16:26] <+jromeh> boy who cries wolf eventually has no voice
2008/07/09 [16:26] <+kshep> shareme
2008/07/09 [16:26] <+kshep> ;-)
2008/07/09 [16:26] <+WebPixie> i see an awake doggie
2008/07/09 [16:27] <+michaelpinto> yes doggies r awake!
2008/07/09 [16:27] <+WebPixie> steve's dad's book says a lot about what michael is talking about in wwii
2008/07/09 [16:27] <+michaelpinto> doggies breaking up into pixels
2008/07/09 [16:27] <+kshep> anybody have a question for fox news?
2008/07/09 [16:27] <+kshep> culberson's asking them Qs
2008/07/09 [16:27] <+michaelpinto> fox has news?
2008/07/09 [16:28] <+kshep> he's explaining qik to them
2008/07/09 [16:28] <+hardaway> WebPixie -- I owe you a phone call!
2008/07/09 [16:28] <+michaelpinto> it's your civic responsibility in a democracy to be involved!
2008/07/09 [16:28] <+WebPixie> we're cool, francine
2008/07/09 [16:29] <+WebPixie> but you're welcome to call anytime
2008/07/09 [16:29] <@theagent> johnculberson live from the floor
2008/07/09 [16:29] <+hardaway> DM me the phone number again.
2008/07/09 [16:29] <@theagent> taking questions over QIK
2008/07/09 [16:29] <+hardaway> On Qik?
2008/07/09 [16:29] <+WebPixie> ok
2008/07/09 [16:29] <+michaelpinto> who's the gentleman in the suit on the left with the impressive lighting rig?
2008/07/09 [16:29] <+kshep> fox news guy
2008/07/09 [16:30] <+kshep> left is Culberson
2008/07/09 [16:30] <+kshep> right is Fox news
2008/07/09 [16:30] <+kshep> Culberson handed his N95 off to a staffer
2008/07/09 [16:30] <+hardaway> This is epochal. Here's a guy from the government on Web 2.0
2008/07/09 [16:30] <+WebPixie> and we've got it on ustream too - woo
2008/07/09 [16:30] <+kshep> he's demonstrating twitter now
2008/07/09 [16:30] <+michaelpinto> so the guy in gray is fox?
2008/07/09 [16:30] <+kshep> guy in gray is Culberson
2008/07/09 [16:31] <+michaelpinto> what's wrong with elitism?
2008/07/09 [16:31] <+kshep> fox cameraman just adjusted culberson so camera can pick up his blackberry
2008/07/09 [16:31] <+kshep> elitists
2008/07/09 [16:31] <+kshep> ;-)
2008/07/09 [16:31] <+kshep> :-)
2008/07/09 [16:32] <+michaelpinto> steve: why don't you listen to the bbc?
2008/07/09 [16:32] <+michaelpinto> the bbc!
2008/07/09 [16:32] <+kshep> NPR
2008/07/09 [16:32] <+kshep> PBS
2008/07/09 [16:33] <+kshep> NBC certainly doesn't. CNN and Fox do, however
2008/07/09 [16:33] <+aronski> My point is this is the conversation; can we make this jump to the next level, more grassroots, more the voice of the people, more powerful, more representitve?
2008/07/09 [16:33] <+michaelpinto> MSM has followers
2008/07/09 [16:33] <+jromeh> plenty more get this in delayed mode
2008/07/09 [16:33] <+WebPixie> preserve your blood pressure, steve
2008/07/09 [16:33] <+michaeln> traffic effect
2008/07/09 [16:33] <+kshep> this call is preaching to the choir
2008/07/09 [16:33] <+WebPixie> nbc seems going downhill since russert is gone
2008/07/09 [16:34] <+michaelpinto> MSM has gone downhill since 2003 - tipping point = iraq war
2008/07/09 [16:34] <+hardaway> I hope so, aronski.
2008/07/09 [16:34] <+WebPixie> maybe they're just grieving
2008/07/09 [16:34] <+michaelpinto> oh they'll cover it - or someone else will
2008/07/09 [16:34] <+aronski> Even if we can get people who are not of the same mindset than us, but ready for conversation, discourse, discussion?
2008/07/09 [16:34] <+michaelpinto> no onewatches broadcast media anymore
2008/07/09 [16:35] <+jromeh> they influence people's opinions
2008/07/09 [16:35] <+WebPixie> no, we do
2008/07/09 [16:35] <+WebPixie> they think they control us
2008/07/09 [16:35] <+michaelpinto> i think people pick their media not the other way around these days
2008/07/09 [16:35] <+aronski> I disagree; plenty of people DO watch MSM, and they think that it IS representitive of what is going on.
2008/07/09 [16:36] <+hardaway> If we wanted to have an impact, we should market the show. I don't even tell my friends sometimes
2008/07/09 [16:36] <+michaelpinto> if you're a republican at heart you'll watch fox, etc.
2008/07/09 [16:36] <+WebPixie> sort of like hillary controlling her primary voters
2008/07/09 [16:36] <+michaelpinto> it was more her lack of control which was the issue ; )
2008/07/09 [16:36] <+WebPixie> we do pick our media; can hardly stand tv news since newsgang
2008/07/09 [16:37] <+aronski> It's only part of the picture; part of what the polititians want to be seen, what the corparations want to be seen and what the individuals who are the talking heads want to be seen.
2008/07/09 [16:37] <+michaelpinto> this show is like punk music - if we share it's no longer special
2008/07/09 [16:37] <+WebPixie> but i hate arguing with my republican brother
2008/07/09 [16:37] <+michaeln> conversations--now with more opinions; mass media, not so much
2008/07/09 [16:37] <@theagent> listening to culberson... pretty damn impressive what he's doing.
2008/07/09 [16:38] <+WebPixie> he's respectful enough not to argue with me
2008/07/09 [16:38] <+aronski> punk rock bashed a huge hole in corperate rock and changed music forever.
2008/07/09 [16:38] <+jromeh> and the numbers of actual participants were very small
2008/07/09 [16:38] <+michaelpinto> but corporate rock use to be "punk" in the 50s if you think about it - no punk is corporate
2008/07/09 [16:39] <+michaelpinto> this is my unpaid therapy session
2008/07/09 [16:39] <+aronski> each generation tries to shake it up
2008/07/09 [16:39] <+aronski> grunge
2008/07/09 [16:39] <+aronski> hip hop
2008/07/09 [16:39] <+jromeh> individual punks eventually sell out
2008/07/09 [16:39] <+hardaway> so do hip hop artists
2008/07/09 [16:39] <+aronski> it all gets co-opted by the media to sell soap
2008/07/09 [16:39] <+michaelpinto> no hip hop artists start out by wanting to sell out - a fear of selling out is very middle class
2008/07/09 [16:39] <+aronski> because $$$$$$$$$ talks and BS walks
2008/07/09 [16:40] <+aronski> there are idealists who are still sticking to their guns who never sold out... or no one was buying.
2008/07/09 [16:40] <+jromeh> where's david sanborn, his tone is here
2008/07/09 [16:40] <+michaelpinto> well there are levels of "selling out"
2008/07/09 [16:41] <+michaelpinto> 4 years ago was about hating bush, 2008 is about wanting something new
2008/07/09 [16:41] <+aronski> there is surviving and feeding your family
2008/07/09 [16:41] <+michaelpinto> maybe having a family is selling out?
2008/07/09 [16:41] <+aronski> for some...
2008/07/09 [16:42] <+kshep> FISA Passes senate, 69-28
2008/07/09 [16:42] <+jromeh> depends on your principles
2008/07/09 [16:42] <+michaelpinto> the Dean campaign DID WORK! It lead to the obama campaign
2008/07/09 [16:42] <+kshep> Clinton voted against, Obama for
2008/07/09 [16:42] <+aronski> but procreation is a programmed urge to continue the species...
2008/07/09 [16:42] <+WebPixie> fisa passed; oh i'm sick
2008/07/09 [16:42] <+WebPixie> of course she did knowing obama didn't
2008/07/09 [16:43] <+WebPixie> she still wants the nomination
2008/07/09 [16:43] <+kshep> isn't it alphabetical? ;-)
2008/07/09 [16:43] <+michaelpinto> i wanted fisa to pass - now the democrats can spy on the republicans
2008/07/09 [16:43] <+WebPixie> always the silver lining pinto
2008/07/09 [16:44] <+michaelpinto> no i'm being cynical - but the shoe being on the other foot is always a wake up call
2008/07/09 [16:45] <+WebPixie> and i was being sarcastic but a nice thought in some ways
2008/07/09 [16:45] <+WebPixie> cia is still cia
2008/07/09 [16:46] <+WebPixie> dem or rep
2008/07/09 [16:46] <+human2> Not foreign Doctors....
2008/07/09 [16:46] <+Abierto_cc> disincentivized
2008/07/09 [16:46] <+Abierto_cc> great word
2008/07/09 [16:46] <+Abierto_cc> at my practice I'm paid in produce and chickens
2008/07/09 [16:46] <+michaelpinto> doctors also hate being told what to do by insurance companies
2008/07/09 [16:47] <+Abierto_cc> francy is fullof <censored> about socialism and rationing
2008/07/09 [16:47] <+WebPixie> took the word out of my keyboard, pinto
2008/07/09 [16:47] <+michaelpinto> i think the economy has become the central issue due to oil costs
2008/07/09 [16:47] <+shareme> Canda rations health care folks
2008/07/09 [16:48] <+shareme> so does France
2008/07/09 [16:48] <+michaelpinto> so do insurance companies!
2008/07/09 [16:48] <+kshep> I'd submit to you that there's a limited supply of health care, and a limited demand
2008/07/09 [16:48] <+kshep> so it's just a matter of what system you want to use to distribute it
2008/07/09 [16:48] <+WebPixie> and pharma lobbyists can probably be very convincing
2008/07/09 [16:48] <+kshep> unlimited demand
2008/07/09 [16:49] <+kshep> unlimited demand
2008/07/09 [16:49] <+michaelpinto> how about the fast food industry?
2008/07/09 [16:49] <+michaelpinto> we tax ciggs not hamburgers
2008/07/09 [16:49] <+Abierto_cc> I'd like fries with that
2008/07/09 [16:49] <+human2> and a shake too
2008/07/09 [16:49] <+kshep> how do you decide who gets the care? the people who can pay? the people who are smart? the people are the most healthy?
2008/07/09 [16:49] <+kshep> it's arbitrary no matter what you do
2008/07/09 [16:50] <+michaelpinto> it's not arbitary - not having a system is still a system
2008/07/09 [16:50] <+Abierto_cc> does she believe this <censored>?
2008/07/09 [16:50] <+WebPixie> if insurance was what it was in theory it wouldn't be so bad, maybe
2008/07/09 [16:50] <+Abierto_cc> corporations stepped into the breach?
2008/07/09 [16:50] <+Abierto_cc> risk sharing appropriately priced makes sense
2008/07/09 [16:50] <+kshep> true, Michael, but we have a system. system now is you get it if you can pay for it
2008/07/09 [16:51] <+WebPixie> and the doc doesn't always tell you treatment has changed because of your coverage
2008/07/09 [16:51] <+Abierto_cc> that's why you want the democratic government to manage it, but not the corporate gorvernment of course
2008/07/09 [16:51] <+michaelpinto> maybe if i didn't have to work 7 days a week i'd be in better shape!
2008/07/09 [16:51] <+michaelpinto> correct francine!
2008/07/09 [16:51] <+kshep> because there's no way the system could support that
2008/07/09 [16:52] <+jromeh> let it break, then we'll work on it
2008/07/09 [16:52] <+kshep> I'd like my insurance to pay for a gym membership please
2008/07/09 [16:52] <+jromeh> after your deductible
2008/07/09 [16:53] <+michaelpinto> you laught kshep - but what if you could get a break on your insurce if you had a membership?
2008/07/09 [16:53] <+kshep> oh, I'm not laughing
2008/07/09 [16:53] <+kshep> if I got a break, that would just mean my insurance company had less money to pay for somebody elses care
2008/07/09 [16:53] <+Abierto_cc> there's a carrier here who gives you a break on the rate if you belong to a CSA
2008/07/09 [16:53] <+jromeh> my auto insurance has dropped to nothing as leave the car home
2008/07/09 [16:53] <+jromeh> almost
2008/07/09 [16:53] <+Abierto_cc> vegetables tied to health care costs
2008/07/09 [16:53] <+treeshapiro> yeah, but she took more money from the pharmaceutical lobbyists than any other dem.
2008/07/09 [16:54] <+kshep> pay now/benefit later is always tricky
2008/07/09 [16:54] <+Abierto_cc> nother whole conversation
2008/07/09 [16:54] <+kshep> whether it's health care, social security...
2008/07/09 [16:54] <+Abierto_cc> bullshit
2008/07/09 [16:54] <+kshep> what is, abierto?
2008/07/09 [16:54] <+Abierto_cc> getting the gov out of healthcare
2008/07/09 [16:54] <+kshep> ah
2008/07/09 [16:55] <+kshep> alright... may have to call back in
2008/07/09 [16:55] <+kshep> :-)
2008/07/09 [16:55] <+treeshapiro> my mother had bc/bs master medical since the day she was born, never missed a payment her whole life. when she got ill at 50, they found a way to throw her off and she died.
2008/07/09 [16:55] <+Abierto_cc> single payer mediated by govt drives the pricing back to supply/demand model
2008/07/09 [16:55] <+Abierto_cc> now it's like defense contracting
2008/07/09 [16:55] <+Abierto_cc> $50 aspirin $1000 hammer
2008/07/09 [16:55] <+WebPixie> oh tree, that's horrible
2008/07/09 [16:56] <+hardaway> Tree, that's awful.
2008/07/09 [16:56] <+treeshapiro> yup, brookline mass, baby.
2008/07/09 [16:56] <+treeshapiro> same number for 50 years
2008/07/09 [16:56] <+jromeh> sorry, tree
2008/07/09 [16:56] <+WebPixie> man
2008/07/09 [16:57] <+treeshapiro> this is not a lower middle class problem
2008/07/09 [16:57] <+treeshapiro> this is across the board
2008/07/09 [16:57] <+WebPixie> no, it's really not
2008/07/09 [16:57] <+treeshapiro> agreed
2008/07/09 [16:57] <+Abierto_cc> cuts across all class lines
2008/07/09 [16:58] <@TinaGillmor> wow... my chat wasn't updating for the longest time... just thought no one was chatting
2008/07/09 [16:58] <+kshep> no GG from Adobe at 1:30, eh? :-)
2008/07/09 [16:58] <+WebPixie> the insurance cos protect the stockholders before the policyholders
2008/07/09 [16:58] <+aronski> They change the rules when you get in trouble. If you are honest when you apply to a new insurance company with a pre existing issue or a treatment you had and that part of your body is just STRUCK from the policy, either for 5 years, an undetermined period or forever.
2008/07/09 [16:58] <+Abierto_cc> right pixie
2008/07/09 [16:59] <+treeshapiro> i have a kid here, i call her a kid, but she's served two terms in afghanistan and she has to jump through all sorts of hoops just to get the basic medical va care...
2008/07/09 [16:59] <+Abierto_cc> so the michael moore movie pretty much tells it like it is
2008/07/09 [16:59] <+hardaway> Aronski, that's right. What you NEED is denied
2008/07/09 [16:59] <+WebPixie> the va is a logjam
2008/07/09 [17:00] <+treeshapiro> my kids are all covered here in the eu
2008/07/09 [17:00] <@theagent> tell you what... get rid of income tax and I'll deal with my own health issues.
2008/07/09 [17:00] <+treeshapiro> covered completely
2008/07/09 [17:00] <+aronski> I had carpel tunnel surgery on my hands and when I changed my policy, everything from my wrists to my fingertips are not covered for ANYTHING that happens, including breaks or amputation.
2008/07/09 [17:00] <+Abierto_cc> need Hilary for Secty of Health
2008/07/09 [17:00] <+WebPixie> didn't know you were in europe, tree
2008/07/09 [17:00] <+hardaway> Never have a pre-existing condition :-)
2008/07/09 [17:01] <+treeshapiro> why is the word "socialized" so forbidden in the states?
2008/07/09 [17:01] <+Abierto_cc> vote conservatives out, vote progressives in
2008/07/09 [17:01] <+WebPixie> mother-in-law worked in hospital claims and one of the insurance companies denied anethesia for a leg-amputation
2008/07/09 [17:01] <+Abierto_cc> 1946 iron curtain speech
2008/07/09 [17:01] <+Abierto_cc> churchill screwed the US with that crap
2008/07/09 [17:02] <+treeshapiro> wp: know someone who the same thing happened to.
2008/07/09 [17:02] <@theagent> we've had a total of 106 cumulative viewers so far
2008/07/09 [17:02] <+hardaway> today, jerry? Or during the life of the show?
2008/07/09 [17:02] <@theagent> just today
2008/07/09 [17:02] <+treeshapiro> cool
2008/07/09 [17:03] <+treeshapiro> yes
2008/07/09 [17:03] <+WebPixie> and that doesn't count subscibers and individual downloads of newsgang
2008/07/09 [17:03] <@TinaGillmor> we have lots of people who subscribe and who download
2008/07/09 [17:03] <+Abierto_cc> the brits booted churchill and implemented national health so he came over here and spread his right wing cant
2008/07/09 [17:03] <+WebPixie> too much binary thinking on the tv networks
2008/07/09 [17:03] <+Abierto_cc> then came HUAC
2008/07/09 [17:03] <@theagent> how about we stop sending billions upon billions of dollars all over the world every year.. and I'm not talking about the war in Iraq
2008/07/09 [17:03] <+treeshapiro> those who can't can't : those who can : help
2008/07/09 [17:04] <+treeshapiro> let's be human
2008/07/09 [17:04] <+treeshapiro> new concept
2008/07/09 [17:04] <+WebPixie> wish we could send this podcast to obama
2008/07/09 [17:04] <+WebPixie> or cspan
2008/07/09 [17:04] <+WebPixie> totally new to be human; you're right, tree
2008/07/09 [17:05] <+treeshapiro> bring on the lawyer jokes
2008/07/09 [17:05] <+Abierto_cc> a good start
2008/07/09 [17:05] <@theagent> tort law... now here is good place to start
2008/07/09 [17:05] <+Abierto_cc> take socialized back
2008/07/09 [17:05] <+treeshapiro> mccarthy thinking
2008/07/09 [17:05] <+Abierto_cc> it's a great word and a great alternative
2008/07/09 [17:06] <+Abierto_cc> bring on the bullshit anecdotes
2008/07/09 [17:06] <@theagent> go sit in an emergency room some time....
2008/07/09 [17:06] <+treeshapiro> oh please
2008/07/09 [17:06] <+WebPixie> you can get lung cancer from radon without smoking
2008/07/09 [17:06] <+Abierto_cc> I'll bet those people were driving cadillac cars too
2008/07/09 [17:06] <@theagent> 99% little kids with coughs and sniffles
2008/07/09 [17:06] <+treeshapiro> wtf do ou know?
2008/07/09 [17:06] <+treeshapiro> y
2008/07/09 [17:06] <+Abierto_cc> bullshit francine
2008/07/09 [17:06] <+WebPixie> not enough, apparrently
2008/07/09 [17:07] <+treeshapiro> that is so not true...
2008/07/09 [17:07] <+Abierto_cc> triage is common across all health care delivery systems
2008/07/09 [17:07] <+hardaway> abierto_cc what's <censored>?
2008/07/09 [17:07] <+Abierto_cc> rationing
2008/07/09 [17:07] <+treeshapiro> must calm down, this is a trigger issue for me
2008/07/09 [17:07] <+Abierto_cc> triage
2008/07/09 [17:07] <+hardaway> Yes, it is. I'm not arguing against national payer systens
2008/07/09 [17:07] <+WebPixie> they also decide what studies the docs can pay attention to for treatment (australia)
2008/07/09 [17:07] <+shareme> Francine elective stuf fi striaged not emerngency!\
2008/07/09 [17:08] <+hardaway> Yes, I know
2008/07/09 [17:08] <+hardaway> That's what triage means:-)
2008/07/09 [17:08] <+Abierto_cc> community health requires community investment
2008/07/09 [17:08] <@theagent> techcrunch is up now
2008/07/09 [17:08] <@theagent> streaming
2008/07/09 [17:08] <+hardaway> Agreedm Abierto
2008/07/09 [17:08] <+Abierto_cc> taxes fund community investment
2008/07/09 [17:09] <+treeshapiro> well, this may be more interesting atm, jerry
2008/07/09 [17:09] <+WebPixie> a social event
2008/07/09 [17:09] <@theagent> not suggesting different, treeshapiro
2008/07/09 [17:09] <+treeshapiro> preventative
2008/07/09 [17:09] <+jromeh> also why some have suggested must stop calling it "social media" as the social word is spiked for so many
2008/07/09 [17:10] <@theagent> I am however, waiting for this show to be interrupted by Steve for the special Gillmor Gang.
2008/07/09 [17:10] <+WebPixie> socialized media
2008/07/09 [17:10] <+treeshapiro> understood
2008/07/09 [17:10] <+treeshapiro> we should continue this conversation though
2008/07/09 [17:10] <+Abierto_cc> amazing how mccarthyism did it's job even though tailgunner joe was a liar and a buffoon
2008/07/09 [17:10] <@theagent> this is a great conversation and will be good to keep it going.
2008/07/09 [17:10] <+jromeh> pistachio has been exploring what else to call it
2008/07/09 [17:10] <@theagent> ok.. steve is up
2008/07/09 [17:10] <+treeshapiro> agreed, continue later?
2008/07/09 [17:10] <+shareme> Community Medicine?
2008/07/09 [17:11] <+WebPixie> ok, guess we're out
2008/07/09 [17:11] <+Abierto_cc> !!
2008/07/09 [17:11] <+treeshapiro> jerry...
2008/07/09 [17:11] <@theagent> no just keep going
2008/07/09 [17:11] <+michaeln> this was so much more interesting than adobe
2008/07/09 [17:11] <+aronski> Jerry, be sure to let Francine know that we will need to do that so we can make a good transition to finish the show...
2008/07/09 [17:11] <@theagent> I don't know what to do
2008/07/09 [17:11] <+aronski> We can continue this with a decent prompt another day...
2008/07/09 [17:11] <+aronski> the live event is just today...
2008/07/09 [17:11] <+treeshapiro> when it gets to cah talk is a dead giveaway
2008/07/09 [17:12] <+treeshapiro> zzzz
2008/07/09 [17:12] <+Abierto_cc> need a sports analogy
2008/07/09 [17:12] <+aronski> Tina, what do you think?
2008/07/09 [17:12] <+treeshapiro> balls
2008/07/09 [17:12] <+WebPixie> health insurance hardly works as well as car insurance
2008/07/09 [17:12] <+kshep> there's a limited health care capacity in this country. Do you know anybody in the health care industry sitting around with nothing to do?
2008/07/09 [17:12] <+aronski> Should we make it a part 2 when Steve is ready to go so GG gets a live feed?
2008/07/09 [17:13] <+kshep> if you want to increate the amount of prevent. care provided, what are you going to cut?
2008/07/09 [17:13] <@theagent> he's already up and running... I'll just do it after the fact..
2008/07/09 [17:13] <+treeshapiro> please help me out ab-cc: do not get me started on home births...
2008/07/09 [17:13] <+kshep> s/increate/increase/
2008/07/09 [17:13] <+aronski> Time delay after he's done?
2008/07/09 [17:13] <@theagent> yeah.... I'll just pull the canned vid and do the show after the fact.
2008/07/09 [17:14] <+aronski> We should make sure to let GG listeners know when it will be on...starting now...
2008/07/09 [17:14] <+kshep> there are systemic problems that all tie into one another... farming subsidies -> excess of HFCS -> obesity -> diabetes/heart issues...
2008/07/09 [17:14] <+BruceLerner> Let's call the show so we get the closing then keep recording until GG.
2008/07/09 [17:14] <+Abierto_cc> freeays, cars, and trucks
2008/07/09 [17:14] <+aronski> They will be looking now, don't you think?
2008/07/09 [17:14] <+kshep> nobody's going to want to take the time to redesign the system from the ground up
2008/07/09 [17:14] <@theagent> GG is already going... he's live right now on Kyte.tv/techcrunchit
2008/07/09 [17:14] <+kshep> you can't just stop and redesign the system from the ground up
2008/07/09 [17:14] <+treeshapiro> how's the tractor running abierto?
2008/07/09 [17:14] <+BruceLerner> It will take a bit more post processing to realign.
2008/07/09 [17:14] <+aronski> Did Steve give you a timeframe on the event?
2008/07/09 [17:14] <@theagent> he just ended
2008/07/09 [17:14] <+shareme> treu framing subsidy plus ove ruse of cro oil/surgar = diabetes rise
2008/07/09 [17:15] <+Abierto_cc> they did it in the seventies based on the Lee's model at the Palo Alto Medical Clinic
2008/07/09 [17:15] <+Abierto_cc> redfesigned the whole delivery system
2008/07/09 [17:15] <+treeshapiro> well go to a midwife, i did
2008/07/09 [17:15] <+treeshapiro> five times
2008/07/09 [17:15] <+kshep> similarly to global warming and reliance on nonrenewable resources... our path it pretty much set at this point, imho
2008/07/09 [17:15] <+Abierto_cc> cut down the number of hospital beds in each community to improve occupancy rates
2008/07/09 [17:15] <+Abierto_cc> stop it tree
2008/07/09 [17:15] <+michaeln> doula
2008/07/09 [17:15] <+kshep> things are going to go the way they're going to go. we're rearranging deck chairs
2008/07/09 [17:15] <+kshep> :-)
2008/07/09 [17:16] <+kshep> man, I'm cynical today
2008/07/09 [17:16] <+Abierto_cc> doula doula... some kind of yalie thing?
2008/07/09 [17:16] <+treeshapiro> i have no patience what so ever about men talking about home birth
2008/07/09 [17:16] <+WebPixie> yes, and then they tried to not license missouri midwifes
2008/07/09 [17:16] <+treeshapiro> do not get me started
2008/07/09 [17:16] <+jromeh> know a doula
2008/07/09 [17:16] <+WebPixie> it does seem a little out of context tree
2008/07/09 [17:16] <+kshep> like pooling mortgage risk
2008/07/09 [17:16] <+Abierto_cc> know a doula in ashtabula?
2008/07/09 [17:17] <+WebPixie> if you pool the risk across a big enough poplulation..
2008/07/09 [17:17] <+treeshapiro> i am pro home birth as are my daughters
2008/07/09 [17:17] <+jromeh> in Chicago
2008/07/09 [17:17] <+WebPixie> it should work, right?
2008/07/09 [17:17] <+kshep> take care of your family
2008/07/09 [17:17] <+kshep> that's what you can do
2008/07/09 [17:17] <+kshep> take care of your neighbors
2008/07/09 [17:17] <+kshep> that's the bottom line
2008/07/09 [17:18] <+BruceLerner> Would taking on a primary topic allow more people to get involved on specific topics.
2008/07/09 [17:18] <+treeshapiro> hair looking pretty francy
2008/07/09 [17:18] <@theagent> newsgang live
2008/07/09 [17:18] <+jromeh> news gang live
2008/07/09 [17:18] <+WebPixie> no it's not francine
2008/07/09 [17:18] <+WebPixie> hahahaha
2008/07/09 [17:18] <+michaeln> use the tag line
2008/07/09 [17:18] <+michaeln> yes
2008/07/09 [17:19] <+jromeh> thanks, francine
2008/07/09 [17:19] <+BruceLerner> Actually Steve did the same thing with Farber the other day. Called it NGL.
2008/07/09 [17:19] <+Abierto_cc> thanks francine
2008/07/09 [17:19] <+hardaway> Thanks, Tree
2008/07/09 [17:19] <+michaeln> tx
2008/07/09 [17:19] <+Mickeleh> thank you all who showed up and especially those in the chat
2008/07/09 [17:19] <+WebPixie> bye callers!
2008/07/09 [17:19] <+Jari_Ra> thank you for the show...
2008/07/09 [17:19] <+Mickeleh> great job francine
2008/07/09 [17:19] <+BruceLerner> Thanks everyone. Good discussion today.
2008/07/09 [17:19] <+aronski> Thank you Jerry, thank you everybody... you keep me connected.
2008/07/09 [17:19] <+hardaway> thank you all those who showed up and all those who SCREWED up
2008/07/09 [17:19] <@TinaGillmor> thanks everyone.... have a good day... invite a freind to the show sometime
2008/07/09 [17:19] <+WebPixie> i did dm you the number, francine
2008/07/09 [17:19] <+hardaway> k
2008/07/09 [17:19] <+WebPixie> willdo, tina!
2008/07/09 [17:20] <+jromeh> who is this at Adobe, Jerry?
2008/07/09 [17:20] <@TinaGillmor> you all are fantastic... evryone who talks, listens and cares
2008/07/09 [17:20] <@TinaGillmor> I don't say that often enough
2008/07/09 [17:20] <@TinaGillmor> Steve at Adobe
2008/07/09 [17:20] <+aronski> We need some people from the other side of the discussion to let their voices be heard
2008/07/09 [17:21] <+treeshapiro> you are cool tina
2008/07/09 [17:21] <+jromeh> right, who's he interviewing?
2008/07/09 [17:21] <+treeshapiro> like who? (serious)
2008/07/09 [17:21] <+treeshapiro> aronski?
2008/07/09 [17:21] <+aronski> don't be afraid you will be shouted down or told to shut up, if you bring something to the table it will be part of what we do...
2008/07/09 [17:21] <@TinaGillmor> aron... depends what you want to accomplish... but I agree generally
2008/07/09 [17:22] <+WebPixie> always great, tina
2008/07/09 [17:22] <+treeshapiro> no, i agree too.
2008/07/09 [17:22] <@TinaGillmor> tree ;-)
2008/07/09 [17:22] <+kshep> I
2008/07/09 [17:22] <+kshep> I'm bummed there wasn't time to tlak about twitter
2008/07/09 [17:22] <+shareme> or identi.ca :)
2008/07/09 [17:22] <+WebPixie> great to hear more from you this time
2008/07/09 [17:22] <+aronski> I'm not looking for drama, but for us to get differing opinions that will help us all get a clearer picture as to what our roles can be in the solution.
2008/07/09 [17:23] <+BruceLerner> Is there anything worth talking about with twitter today or just a <censored> session?
2008/07/09 [17:23] <+kshep> that's all relative, Bruce
2008/07/09 [17:23] <@TinaGillmor> aron - I hear you... ideas on how to do that?
2008/07/09 [17:23] <+kshep> many would say there's never anything to talk about RE twitter
2008/07/09 [17:23] <+treeshapiro> he's a bit robotic
2008/07/09 [17:23] <+WebPixie> gee, we can't forget twitter! only healthcare could supplant twitter, it seems ;)
2008/07/09 [17:23] <+aronski> Drama might be good for chair throwers but I feel that what we do and can do here would be helpful to others, including the people who are supposed to represent us.
2008/07/09 [17:24] <+treeshapiro> oops, malfunction
2008/07/09 [17:24] <+BruceLerner> Quite a number based on the number of people who don't know it exists.
2008/07/09 [17:24] <+kshep> no, that's just his style, tree
2008/07/09 [17:24] <+kshep> ;-)
2008/07/09 [17:24] <@TinaGillmor> aron... yes
2008/07/09 [17:24] <+WebPixie> still wish we could forward this to obama or someone
2008/07/09 [17:24] <@TinaGillmor> new equipment today I think... wonder if it's causing the problems
2008/07/09 [17:24] <+kshep> oops
2008/07/09 [17:25] <@TinaGillmor> finger
2008/07/09 [17:25] <+BruceLerner> This democracy thing is somewhat non-intuitive from the POV of managing a discussion.
2008/07/09 [17:25] <+kshep> looked more like a thumb
2008/07/09 [17:25] <+kshep> pocket?
2008/07/09 [17:25] <@TinaGillmor> steve's not happy
2008/07/09 [17:25] <@TinaGillmor> maybe
2008/07/09 [17:25] <+treeshapiro> i got a grab of his fingerprint, so i can get into the techcrunch caf
2008/07/09 [17:25] <+aronski> Can NGL as a forum, provide a clear cross section of intelligent and passionate discorse that the new administration could benefit from?
2008/07/09 [17:25] <@TinaGillmor> is this live Jerry ?
2008/07/09 [17:25] <@theagent> it was live...
2008/07/09 [17:25] <+aronski> or is that too hopeful for some?
2008/07/09 [17:25] <+kshep> I half a great 1hr long video of my pocket with soccer game sounds over it
2008/07/09 [17:25] <+kshep> have
2008/07/09 [17:25] <@TinaGillmor> aron ---yes
2008/07/09 [17:26] <@theagent> looks like they chewed through 8GB on that phone pretty quick
2008/07/09 [17:26] <+treeshapiro> pre-existing condition no doubt
2008/07/09 [17:26] <@theagent> doesn't seem right though
2008/07/09 [17:26] <@theagent> stuck in buffer mode at the moment
2008/07/09 [17:26] <+treeshapiro> omg.
2008/07/09 [17:26] <+jromeh> now that's stiff!
2008/07/09 [17:26] <+WebPixie> he's just stuck there in that thinker pose
2008/07/09 [17:26] <+BruceLerner> NGL could but we would need internalize some ground rules amongst the regulars.
2008/07/09 [17:26] <+treeshapiro> is he static or just statuesque
2008/07/09 [17:27] <+BruceLerner> Cheek-posin'
2008/07/09 [17:27] <+treeshapiro> poseur
2008/07/09 [17:27] <@theagent> live stream hasn't come back yet
2008/07/09 [17:27] <+aronski> I'm in Helsinki; the chat/viideo was almost 40 seconds behind the Skype call.
2008/07/09 [17:27] <+aronski> (he looks thoughtful... or deep in thought...)
2008/07/09 [17:27] <+jromeh> Jerry, did you hear who he is?
2008/07/09 [17:27] <+treeshapiro> he's thinking about healthcare
2008/07/09 [17:27] <+WebPixie> and he looks perplexed
2008/07/09 [17:28] <@theagent> didn't catch his name
2008/07/09 [17:28] <+aronski> Well, anything as freeform as NGL would be scary to a politician, as it is uncontrolled and totally unpredictable.
2008/07/09 [17:28] <+treeshapiro> glass: glass or plastic : five bucks, any takers? i say plastic
2008/07/09 [17:28] <+jromeh> k, thx, interested as my cousin is a PM htere
2008/07/09 [17:28] <+jromeh> there
2008/07/09 [17:29] <@TinaGillmor> plastic
2008/07/09 [17:29] <+treeshapiro> no bet there
2008/07/09 [17:29] <+treeshapiro> any takers?
2008/07/09 [17:29] <+BruceLerner> We don't necessarily want the politicos, but those that have an affinity for them. Just like us.
2008/07/09 [17:29] <+treeshapiro> michaeln?
2008/07/09 [17:29] <@TinaGillmor> ok five bucks
2008/07/09 [17:29] <+WebPixie> prefer glass myself
2008/07/09 [17:29] <+treeshapiro> me too
2008/07/09 [17:29] <@TinaGillmor> you are tgalking about the red glass on the table, right?
2008/07/09 [17:29] <+treeshapiro> but i'm saying it's plastic for five theoretical bucks
2008/07/09 [17:30] <+treeshapiro> yeah
2008/07/09 [17:30] <+WebPixie> ah, yes it looks like a plastic cup
2008/07/09 [17:30] <+treeshapiro> ikea-ish
2008/07/09 [17:30] <+aronski> Bruce, this is about the conversation and it going beyond our living room and to a place where it can effect change, don't you think?
2008/07/09 [17:30] <+aronski> plastic
2008/07/09 [17:30] <+jromeh> NGL-buck?
2008/07/09 [17:30] <+treeshapiro> yeah
2008/07/09 [17:30] <@TinaGillmor> hmm.
2008/07/09 [17:30] <+jromeh> s
2008/07/09 [17:30] <+aronski> for insurance purposes...
2008/07/09 [17:30] <+jromeh> yeah, guessing plastic
2008/07/09 [17:30] <+treeshapiro> vote?
2008/07/09 [17:31] <+jromeh> no logo, apparently
2008/07/09 [17:31] <+WebPixie> do we all get 5 ngl bucks?
2008/07/09 [17:31] <+aronski> glass is too much of a liability...
2008/07/09 [17:31] <@TinaGillmor> aron... how do we take our node and open it up to others?
2008/07/09 [17:31] <@theagent> TinaGillmor, do you know whos this is at Adobe?
2008/07/09 [17:31] <@TinaGillmor> no... I don't knw his name
2008/07/09 [17:31] <@TinaGillmor> sorry
2008/07/09 [17:31] <@theagent> I'll find it
2008/07/09 [17:32] <+treeshapiro> jazz hands
2008/07/09 [17:32] <+BruceLerner> Yes. I'm not yet sure that we are engaging enough people to drive broad change. But beleive that this format could be more broadly distributed.
2008/07/09 [17:32] <+aronski> Well, we need people from that world to know about us and find a value to what we're doing.
2008/07/09 [17:33] <+BruceLerner> Which world. The political or broader public?
2008/07/09 [17:33] <+aronski> perhaps id we got Tim Ryan, the Twittering Congressman or someone like that to get on the show or talking about us in his stream, we could be tracked by Obama or the machine as it were...
2008/07/09 [17:33] <@TinaGillmor> need to feed a small child who is feeling neglected... talk amongst yourselves ;-)
2008/07/09 [17:34] <@TinaGillmor> aron... ok, there's an idea
2008/07/09 [17:34] <+WebPixie> those ARE jazz hands; always wondered what jazz hands were
2008/07/09 [17:34] <+aronski> not quite mainstream but using this friggin tool we're so hot on to create a swarm around us...
2008/07/09 [17:35] <+aronski> we have the friggin means
2008/07/09 [17:35] <+aronski> we just need to seed the cloud...
2008/07/09 [17:35] <@TinaGillmor> aron .. absolutely
2008/07/09 [17:36] <+treeshapiro> a-do-be, 3 amigos?
2008/07/09 [17:36] <+treeshapiro> trying to think of the film
2008/07/09 [17:36] <+BruceLerner> What about sunday morning radio? A morning public access show. Instructions and tutorial on how to engage.
2008/07/09 [17:36] <+aronski> and rather than be a fluff piece on a cable news channel, bypass that and go to the people who want or need our voices in their conversation
2008/07/09 [17:36] <+aronski> hopefully pre-convention.
2008/07/09 [17:36] <+WebPixie> laughing tree
2008/07/09 [17:36] <+treeshapiro> lip balm?
2008/07/09 [17:36] <+BruceLerner> Could we manage a larger conversation? Or are we just looking for a broader audience?
2008/07/09 [17:36] <+WebPixie> that video is gonna go any minute it looks like
2008/07/09 [17:36] <@TinaGillmor> someone come up with Tim Ryan's twitter name pls
2008/07/09 [17:37] <+aronski> "Do you have anything other than Mexican food?"
2008/07/09 [17:37] <+treeshapiro> laughing
2008/07/09 [17:37] <+treeshapiro> my level of film
2008/07/09 [17:37] <+WebPixie> laughing about the mexican restaurant
2008/07/09 [17:38] <+WebPixie> the video blinks with me
2008/07/09 [17:38] <+aronski> Tina, timryan
2008/07/09 [17:38] <+treeshapiro> seizure stream
2008/07/09 [17:38] <+treeshapiro> seizemic
2008/07/09 [17:38] <+WebPixie> we're the insurance hq to the us here, i'm told - it sucketh
2008/07/09 [17:38] <@theagent> its because of the flash player and we're basically scraping
2008/07/09 [17:39] <+aronski> we'd best find out what he's all about first but I think it's a fine idea...besides, he friended me today, yippee!!!
2008/07/09 [17:39] <+treeshapiro> glass or plastic - sounds like plastic
2008/07/09 [17:39] <+treeshapiro> could someone ask them?
2008/07/09 [17:39] <+WebPixie> more insurance hq's per capita here than probably anywhere
2008/07/09 [17:40] <+aronski> make sure he's not completely wrong for this kind of conversation.
2008/07/09 [17:40] <+treeshapiro> wait wait
2008/07/09 [17:40] <+WebPixie> so the politicos here are totally in bed with them
2008/07/09 [17:40] <@TinaGillmor> sorry that didn't work better guys
2008/07/09 [17:40] <+treeshapiro> could you ask him about the glass?
2008/07/09 [17:40] <+WebPixie> good while it lasted, jerry
2008/07/09 [17:40] <@TinaGillmor> equipment problems
2008/07/09 [17:40] <+aronski> Steve will be able to tell us about the stemware @adobe...
2008/07/09 [17:40] <+aronski> hi Jerry...
2008/07/09 [17:41] <@theagent> Kyte.tv brand new system... looks like they have some issues to work out
2008/07/09 [17:41] <+treeshapiro> still better than quik for me
2008/07/09 [17:41] <+aronski> Tina, should we talk later?
2008/07/09 [17:42] <+BruceLerner> Is this chat stored somewhere?
2008/07/09 [17:42] <+jromeh> who else saw last night's backyard techcrunch thing w/loic?
2008/07/09 [17:42] <+treeshapiro> link?
2008/07/09 [17:42] <+aronski> not yet
2008/07/09 [17:42] <+jromeh> was going to bed, kept up by it
2008/07/09 [17:42] <+aronski> nearly 1am here... don't tempt me...
2008/07/09 [17:42] <+BruceLerner> I'd like to keep the thread.
2008/07/09 [17:42] <+michaeln> what would the advantage be in making this conversation bigger
2008/07/09 [17:43] <+jromeh> it was after 2a here then
2008/07/09 [17:43] <+treeshapiro> is that nau?
2008/07/09 [17:43] <+michaeln> here nau
2008/07/09 [17:43] <+treeshapiro> hi de ho neighbour
2008/07/09 [17:43] <+WebPixie> more advantage might be getting it to the "right" people
2008/07/09 [17:43] <+jromeh> bruce the chat gets archived, is that what you mean?
2008/07/09 [17:43] <+WebPixie> maybe
2008/07/09 [17:43] <+michaeln> kcrw?! nice
2008/07/09 [17:43] <+treeshapiro> noice!
2008/07/09 [17:44] <+jromeh> or to continue discussing now?
2008/07/09 [17:44] <+treeshapiro> oh gee can't wait, <censored> hate that sonny bono
2008/07/09 [17:44] <+WebPixie> it's a sunny bono
2008/07/09 [17:44] <+aronski> I think that what is lacking is an authentic unmanipulated voice that we can recognize as ours in the political discussion, other than here.
2008/07/09 [17:44] <+BruceLerner> Jerome. Yes.
2008/07/09 [17:44] <+BruceLerner> I Just copied it. I'll extract the thread on expanding NGL for later discussion.
2008/07/09 [17:45] <+WebPixie> how does that happen, ar?
2008/07/09 [17:46] <+treeshapiro> any thoughts on the feldman fiasco?
2008/07/09 [17:46] <+michaeln> @aronski agree, but more conversations in multiple locations seems more conducive
2008/07/09 [17:46] <+WebPixie> i'm too jaded - what's that, tree?
2008/07/09 [17:46] <+aronski> What can be gained by bringing our voice to the larger conversation? Do you think we can be used against the progressives as being intellectual lefties?
2008/07/09 [17:46] <+WebPixie> oh, i read fieldman instead of feldman
2008/07/09 [17:46] <+BruceLerner> We can be an example of the discussion.
2008/07/09 [17:46] <+treeshapiro> techcrunch videocaster loren feldman dropped by verizon for racist video
2008/07/09 [17:47] <+treeshapiro> s
2008/07/09 [17:47] <+aronski> OK, let's just think of this as one town hall meeting, one where our community is not actually in one place but in one time...
2008/07/09 [17:47] <+WebPixie> i think it's good for our discussion to go wider
2008/07/09 [17:47] <+jromeh> bruce, believe connectedgeek archives 'em all completely, listening?
2008/07/09 [17:47] <+BruceLerner> Good representation.
2008/07/09 [17:47] <+aronski> because we're all over the map, figurativly and literally...
2008/07/09 [17:47] <+treeshapiro> yeah, but what about the noise level going up up up?
2008/07/09 [17:48] <+aronski> but in the moment, we are a representive community...
2008/07/09 [17:48] <+WebPixie> being spun is a drag but i really believe most people relate to the truth of their own experience
2008/07/09 [17:48] <+BruceLerner> Hear you jromeh. I'll look. Current thought was just to capture today's ideas.
2008/07/09 [17:48] <+WebPixie> it's no different from ours, really
2008/07/09 [17:49] <+jromeh> k, making sure
2008/07/09 [17:49] <+aronski> Well, we make sure the ring master isn't at Adobe and we give Francine some of the puppy's Benedril...
2008/07/09 [17:49] <+aronski> ;_)
2008/07/09 [17:49] <+michaeln> i propose a moratorium on references to the "townhall
2008/07/09 [17:49] <+treeshapiro> someone is transcribing the chat, i read some chat from last week today - can't remember where
2008/07/09 [17:49] <+WebPixie> yes, bad connotation townhall - they've been so orchestrated
2008/07/09 [17:50] <+treeshapiro> think steve might have pointed to it on twitter
2008/07/09 [17:50] <+BruceLerner> I like the difference between the guided and unguided discussions.
2008/07/09 [17:50] <+aronski> well, it was just a generic term useage
2008/07/09 [17:51] <+WebPixie> and as good a one as any
2008/07/09 [17:51] <+BruceLerner> I like both, but the idea that both can happen in the same 'space' is indicative of the people and the space.
2008/07/09 [17:51] <+WebPixie> this was a great unguided discussion; wonder if it can ever be captured again
2008/07/09 [17:51] <+aronski> but what it repesents could be a representitve discorse
2008/07/09 [17:52] <+aronski> sorry about my spelling, typing way too fast...
2008/07/09 [17:52] <+BruceLerner> As Steve discussed a couple of day's ago, that is some of the excitement of the form.
2008/07/09 [17:53] <+WebPixie> agree, ar
2008/07/09 [17:53] <+BruceLerner> It swerves between seriousness and sunniness gravity and light.
2008/07/09 [17:54] <+WebPixie> this conversation SHOULD be represented by someone
2008/07/09 [17:54] <+WebPixie> and that's what's so great about it, Bruce, at least to me
2008/07/09 [17:55] <+aronski> Well, that's my thoughts, not that I want us as a group (NGL) to become celebs but all this amazing talk could be doing something other than just inspiring and educating us...and the few listeners who aren't in a Twitter Rehab...
2008/07/09 [17:55] <+WebPixie> haha..twitter rehab - love it
2008/07/09 [17:56] <+WebPixie> no celebs, just clear speaking
2008/07/09 [17:56] <+treeshapiro> macLoud's in twitter rehab someone told me
2008/07/09 [17:56] <+BruceLerner> We can be supportive and cutting.
2008/07/09 [17:56] <+WebPixie> i heard that too, tree
2008/07/09 [17:56] <+BruceLerner> But generally remote friends.
2008/07/09 [17:56] <+treeshapiro> and google is buying jerry
2008/07/09 [17:57] <+WebPixie> not so remote on ustream
2008/07/09 [17:57] <+WebPixie> love the music, jerry
2008/07/09 [17:57] <+aronski> right, we're just people with other jobs or busy being un-retired...we don't need to be a surrealty show of some sort, just be part of the democratic process by having our little goofball voices heard.
2008/07/09 [17:58] <+WebPixie> i'm laughing; love the un-retired reference
2008/07/09 [17:59] <+WebPixie> clarity can get so clouded, though - hope this doesn't
2008/07/09 [17:59] <+WebPixie> meant to say that earlier too, jerry
2008/07/09 [17:59] <+aronski> the music sounds like it's been put in a food processor here... I'm in a hotel where 60 roadies are either downloading the Library of Congress or films that aren't even in production yet...
2008/07/09 [17:59] <+WebPixie> ha-isn't jerry...sorry
2008/07/09 [17:59] <+BruceLerner> I want to be involved, not a celebrity. Much of my life is unrewarded. Validation in the discussion is very therapeutic.
2008/07/09 [17:59] <+WebPixie> good station, jerry
2008/07/09 [18:00] <+WebPixie> it's amazing to find people who think so similarly to me; kinda rare sometimes
2008/07/09 [18:01] <+aronski> I think it's time to strink while we're on a roll, talking about things that are valid and immediate. There was a dead spell when HRC was still clinging to the vine and Twitter started sucking where it was a broken record... kinda like what I'm hearing here...
2008/07/09 [18:01] <+WebPixie> strink?
2008/07/09 [18:01] <+aronski> strike
2008/07/09 [18:02] <+BruceLerner> I was thinking drink, but strike will do.
2008/07/09 [18:02] <+WebPixie> i'd like to listen to the recording of this 'cause...
2008/07/09 [18:02] <+BruceLerner> I agree. How will we tell that we struck?
2008/07/09 [18:02] <+aronski> though it might be a new term like plurking a new service, everybody joins in the same 45 min., hates it and returns to twitter like a battered wife...
2008/07/09 [18:03] <+WebPixie> somehow i think the roll might be all in today's discussion
2008/07/09 [18:03] <+BruceLerner> Ouch. Not happy with that one....
2008/07/09 [18:03] <+BruceLerner> Downloads of the show? Numbers in chat? Laws getting passed?
2008/07/09 [18:03] <+WebPixie> oof, that did about hurt
2008/07/09 [18:03] <+aronski> The show has gotten better from shortly before the Francine prone episode...
2008/07/09 [18:04] <+WebPixie> unwittingly streaming francine
2008/07/09 [18:04] <+jromeh> and since it started, also
2008/07/09 [18:04] <+jromeh> the whole thing started as an "accident"
2008/07/09 [18:04] <+WebPixie> well, maybe it just keeps getting better and better - hope so
2008/07/09 [18:05] <+WebPixie> shouldn't let prior disappointments step on new possibilities
2008/07/09 [18:05] <+aronski> my apologies. The battered referrence was more about how people will stick with what they are comfortable with even if it sucks...
2008/07/09 [18:05] <+WebPixie> really? an accident/
2008/07/09 [18:05] <+WebPixie> ?
2008/07/09 [18:06] <+jromeh> yes, happened as Jason gave out the call in number for GG
2008/07/09 [18:06] <+aronski> Well, she was the only one that didn't know she was on the air...
2008/07/09 [18:06] <+jromeh> w/o steve's approval
2008/07/09 [18:06] <+WebPixie> that sounds like jason!
2008/07/09 [18:06] <+aronski> and it was Larry Miller that called in?
2008/07/09 [18:06] <+jromeh> remembering that
2008/07/09 [18:06] <+WebPixie> is that when he got kicked off the show?
2008/07/09 [18:07] <+jromeh> did he? sorta remembering that
2008/07/09 [18:07] <+WebPixie> i'm not sure i know who larry miller is...what happened?
2008/07/09 [18:07] <+jromeh> but mebbe later
2008/07/09 [18:07] <@theagent> larry miller = connectedgeek
2008/07/09 [18:07] <+BruceLerner> This is live performance. It will be inconsistent but also some spectacular moments. And the average will trend up as we learn to work together.
2008/07/09 [18:08] <@theagent> he does all the IRC transcription
2008/07/09 [18:08] <+aronski> I wonder who the first person fired on NGL will be...especially as no one is officially hired...
2008/07/09 [18:08] <+WebPixie> oh, well that's good then
2008/07/09 [18:08] <+jromeh> we won't say her name ;)
2008/07/09 [18:08] <+aronski> That was...well...
2008/07/09 [18:08] <+WebPixie> when did ngl offshoot from gg?
2008/07/09 [18:08] <+jromeh> did you hear that painful episode aronski?
2008/07/09 [18:08] <+aronski> something else.
2008/07/09 [18:09] <+shareme> yes do not mention that name!
2008/07/09 [18:09] <+jromeh> yes, then you know
2008/07/09 [18:09] <+aronski> Oh yeah, late but I forced myself to sit through it...
2008/07/09 [18:09] <+WebPixie> oh, i heard the episode with she who shall not be named
2008/07/09 [18:10] <+aronski> you ever put two powerful magnets close to one another?
2008/07/09 [18:10] <+jromeh> later heard from another follower that she'd been baiting him also, ignored until went away, myself
2008/07/09 [18:10] <+WebPixie> i'd been listening to ngl for a few weeks but that got me typing
2008/07/09 [18:10] <+jromeh> turn 'em the right way!
2008/07/09 [18:10] <+WebPixie> she got after me too, but she went away
2008/07/09 [18:11] <+WebPixie> good one, ar
2008/07/09 [18:11] <+aronski> I'm not a big enough fish for that kind of fun...
2008/07/09 [18:11] <+shareme> she tried baiting me I just ignored
2008/07/09 [18:11] <+WebPixie> how magnetic she was though, i'm not sure
2008/07/09 [18:11] <+shareme> mor elike toxic waste
2008/07/09 [18:11] <+jromeh> in her mind?
2008/07/09 [18:11] <+WebPixie> that's how she went away from here also
2008/07/09 [18:11] <+aronski> A negagitve charge is still a charge...
2008/07/09 [18:12] <+BruceLerner> and most likely not alone.
2008/07/09 [18:12] <+shareme> no negative charge is a hole :)
2008/07/09 [18:12] <+WebPixie> she sees herself as a magnate in virtual real estate, i've heard
2008/07/09 [18:12] <+BruceLerner> Each of us is a representative of a class.
2008/07/09 [18:13] <+aronski> we've given here enough time again...
2008/07/09 [18:13] <+aronski> her
2008/07/09 [18:13] <+treeshapiro> wait, who are you guys talking about?
2008/07/09 [18:13] <+treeshapiro> wracking my brain here
2008/07/09 [18:13] <+WebPixie> too much, you're right
2008/07/09 [18:13] <+aronski> I'm done.
2008/07/09 [18:14] <+WebPixie> see april 28 or therabouts
2008/07/09 [18:14] <+shareme> ah listen to the auido cast waht ws th date folks? May?
2008/07/09 [18:14] <+aronski> strike that from the record.
2008/07/09 [18:14] <+treeshapiro> woman?
2008/07/09 [18:14] <+jromeh> it will hurt
2008/07/09 [18:14] <+shareme> yes
2008/07/09 [18:14] <+shareme> it will make your ears bleed lol
2008/07/09 [18:15] <+treeshapiro> no idea
2008/07/09 [18:15] <+aronski> So I can't believe we didn't bite during the show on the FISA bill
2008/07/09 [18:15] <+jromeh> steve left it go far beyond most folks' tolerance
2008/07/09 [18:15] <+WebPixie> when you're feeling like life has been too peaceful, give it a listen
2008/07/09 [18:15] <+WebPixie> no, nobody seemed to notice fisa
2008/07/09 [18:15] <+treeshapiro> speaking guest?
2008/07/09 [18:15] <+aronski> Well, there is tomorrow...
2008/07/09 [18:16] <+shareme> I think fsia was mute issue we knew it would pass
2008/07/09 [18:16] <+WebPixie> she sounded like she thought she was on a mainstream radio talk show as a guest
2008/07/09 [18:16] <+WebPixie> true, it had already been decided
2008/07/09 [18:16] <+treeshapiro> oh c'mon, tell me. the show's over
2008/07/09 [18:16] <+shareme> except she thought she made the rules of the show lol
2008/07/09 [18:17] <+WebPixie> no, she'll search out the chat!
2008/07/09 [18:17] <+aronski> I was surprised that Obama and HRC split on the vote... or then again, maybe I'm not that surprised, it's pretty cagey if the Gillmor plan is in effect...
2008/07/09 [18:17] <+WebPixie> she thought she made the rules for the world
2008/07/09 [18:17] <+hardaway> WebPixie, your dm didn't arrive
2008/07/09 [18:17] <+WebPixie> too much russian studies during her cold war youth
2008/07/09 [18:18] <+WebPixie> hell, i wonder where it went...i used tweetdeck
2008/07/09 [18:18] <+aronski> DM's have been hosed/inconsistant for about 16 hours...
2008/07/09 [18:18] <+treeshapiro> SHE was on the show?
2008/07/09 [18:18] <+WebPixie> i'll go to regular twitter
2008/07/09 [18:18] <+WebPixie> great
2008/07/09 [18:18] <+hardaway> OK
2008/07/09 [18:18] <+WebPixie> still, i'll try it from web twitter
2008/07/09 [18:18] <+WebPixie> arg, jerry
2008/07/09 [18:18] <+jromeh> dog day afternoon ;)
2008/07/09 [18:18] <+aronski> Been using so many different clients, it could be anything!!!!
2008/07/09 [18:19] <+WebPixie> ah better
2008/07/09 [18:19] <+aronski> can you track a ustream chat? ;-)
2008/07/09 [18:19] <+WebPixie> dunno, won't chance it on her
2008/07/09 [18:19] <+jromeh> you can google the transcript
2008/07/09 [18:19] <@theagent> we've a bad router or something.. occasionally we have hiccups
2008/07/09 [18:20] <+WebPixie> april 28, i'm pretty sure
2008/07/09 [18:20] <+aronski> yikes, that's TMI....
2008/07/09 [18:20] <+WebPixie> tmi?
2008/07/09 [18:21] <+aronski> too much info...
2008/07/09 [18:21] <+BruceLerner> transcription must have REALLY hurt.
2008/07/09 [18:21] <+WebPixie> you're right too late, sorry
2008/07/09 [18:21] <+WebPixie> boy, it must've
2008/07/09 [18:21] <+aronski> yup... 80 pages of the following annotation ////interrupts///
2008/07/09 [18:21] <+shareme> 80 pages? <censored>
2008/07/09 [18:22] <+michaeln> so, once a week--newsgang does politics?
2008/07/09 [18:22] <+WebPixie> francine, you still here?
2008/07/09 [18:22] <+michaeln> sorry to come back to this--away from screen
2008/07/09 [18:22] <+WebPixie> i typed a small d, for duh i don't know what i'm doing
2008/07/09 [18:22] <+treeshapiro> got knocked off, may never know who
2008/07/09 [18:22] <+aronski> not really...5 days a week it just goes where it goes, usually starts with politics and wanders into tech/twitter/entertainment/life...
2008/07/09 [18:23] <+BruceLerner> It will change over time based on out interests and the topics in the broader world
2008/07/09 [18:23] <+michaeln> of course, but today was rather different, i thought
2008/07/09 [18:23] <+WebPixie> where are the transcripts kept?
2008/07/09 [18:23] <+WebPixie> don't have to tell me
2008/07/09 [18:23] <+treeshapiro> i think steve points to them on twitter, on the gg site
2008/07/09 [18:23] <+BruceLerner> I really liked today. We got to describe a bit of why we keep coming together.
2008/07/09 [18:24] <@theagent> think they're at gang.connectedgeek.net but his server is currently not responding
2008/07/09 [18:24] <+aronski> It just goes where it goes, often it doesn't soar but it can have little moments of clarity that make it totally worthwhile.
2008/07/09 [18:25] <@theagent> http://gang.connectedgeek.net/
2008/07/09 [18:25] <@theagent> hit and miss on the site
2008/07/09 [18:25] <+WebPixie> thanks, jerry - i'll check again late
2008/07/09 [18:25] <+BruceLerner> We are a pretty disparate group, although mostly older. There was a show a couple of weeks back with a 20-something that I thought brought a lot to the discussion.
2008/07/09 [18:26] <+aronski> like GG, it can just go to the same old place and then a hard left turn, everybody's brain starts cooking and somebody dispenses a nugget that makes the whole show...
2008/07/09 [18:26] <+jromeh> attention deficit theater
2008/07/09 [18:27] <+WebPixie> adt - great name
2008/07/09 [18:27] <+WebPixie> on gg, the 20-something?
2008/07/09 [18:27] <+jromeh> a classic GG show with Doc Searls
2008/07/09 [18:27] <+jromeh> adt, that is
2008/07/09 [18:28] <+aronski> The reason why I am here are people like Doc and Hugh, smart, thoughtful, creative people who add value to my life by how they extrapolate ideas and turn them into new universes...
2008/07/09 [18:28] <+treeshapiro> i get the doc part no problem.
2008/07/09 [18:28] <+BruceLerner> That was why I listened. Still amazed I get to participate.
2008/07/09 [18:29] <+jromeh> must admit, miss DW's visits, also JU, was nice to have him visit lately
2008/07/09 [18:29] <@theagent> would you find value in having tweets automatically recommend/highlight RSS fed articles that are relevant to that tweet?
2008/07/09 [18:29] <+treeshapiro> yes
2008/07/09 [18:29] <+jromeh> couldn't believe it when it came back, was listening back in '04
2008/07/09 [18:30] <+aronski> Well, there were other speakers who took away from the experience...the other guys, the quiet ones, the ones who listen and then just drop one sentence in that makes it, the are really valuable too.
2008/07/09 [18:30] <+jromeh> Gabe...
2008/07/09 [18:31] <@theagent> Steve is very very stoked about the shows... he gushes about them. He really feels that we've stumbled onto something ground breaking.
2008/07/09 [18:31] <+jromeh> attentionTechs were good, too
2008/07/09 [18:32] <+aronski> Farber, Anderson, Vizard... when the Arrington/Calacanis circus came to town, they would lay back and just listen... doc and Steve were awesome alone, completely different music, different soloists, different genre...
2008/07/09 [18:33] <+aronski> That's why I think we can put ourselves out there a little further and see what happens...what's the worst? we end up back in our living room talking to each other.
2008/07/09 [18:34] <+BruceLerner> My reality meter is concerned that the NGL dynamic long form may be not engage "the masses".
2008/07/09 [18:34] <+BruceLerner> (That's the group over there next to the Larches)
2008/07/09 [18:34] <+jromeh> don't need all of 'em, just some
2008/07/09 [18:37] <+michaeln> anyone know what this track is?
2008/07/09 [18:37] <+WebPixie> that would be too bad if it shortened and quit engaging us so much
2008/07/09 [18:37] <+michaeln> b&s?
2008/07/09 [18:37] <+jromeh> thx for follow, michael
2008/07/09 [18:37] <+michaeln> you got it!
2008/07/09 [18:37] <+jromeh> you joking, michael, about track?
2008/07/09 [18:38] <+BruceLerner> Wasn't suggesting changing anything except expeectations.
2008/07/09 [18:38] <+aronski> otp
2008/07/09 [18:39] <+jromeh> saw your announce on the new track, we're many of the 58 early adopters, see steve's post of last night
2008/07/09 [18:39] <+michaeln> uh, yes. no.
2008/07/09 [18:39] <+WebPixie> well, that's a good thing; too high of expectations can be SO disappointing
2008/07/09 [18:39] <+michaeln> nick draek
2008/07/09 [18:40] <+jromeh> very hip, there's a coffehouse here where they have a tribute show every year
2008/07/09 [18:40] <+jromeh> uncommon ground
2008/07/09 [18:40] <+jromeh> or is that jeff buckley... or both on diff days?
2008/07/09 [18:42] <+BruceLerner> Not worried about crashing. Trying to understand long-form in the world of continuous partial attention.
2008/07/09 [18:42] <+jromeh> feel young, even if into 6th decade (barely)
2008/07/09 [18:42] <+jromeh> augmenting memory
2008/07/09 [18:43] <+jromeh> or should have been
2008/07/09 [18:45] <+WebPixie> i'll miss you guys tomorrow; will catch you on the calliflower recording 'til Friday
2008/07/09 [18:47] <+aronski> hey Pix, it was fun, thanks for being part of it!!!
2008/07/09 [18:47] <+jromeh> yeah, the more the merrier
2008/07/09 [18:47] <+aronski> Tina, did you feed the indians?
2008/07/09 [18:48] <+aronski> Hey jerry, you just put up the spy link?
2008/07/09 [18:49] <@theagent> yes
2008/07/09 [18:49] <+aronski> Man, I said this was where it was going...
2008/07/09 [18:51] <+aronski> I totally felt that they didn't need the middleman, that theyhad the transport, the transcript and it was a matter of time before they just would either do it themselves or let it happen with their tools...
2008/07/09 [18:52] <+jromeh> wonder how many used it via chat originally
2008/07/09 [18:52] <@theagent> well the implementation sucks.. looks like they're basic API calls to internal search engines.. summize for twitter and internal search for others
2008/07/09 [18:53] <+aronski> not fast, not smart, but using the engine...
2008/07/09 [18:54] <+aronski> if Google does it, they get the sweetheart feed and all the dats for themselves, fast fast...
2008/07/09 [18:54] <+jromeh> better to have it with some delay than not at all
2008/07/09 [18:55] <+jromeh> though summize does make for good feeds
2008/07/09 [18:55] <+michaeln> night all!
2008/07/09 [18:55] <+aronski> I'm using the mobile Gtalk mashup on my Blackberry and it's pretty cool, the Twitterspy is a little slow but bearable as it comes in on the client without having to go get it...
2008/07/09 [18:56] <+BruceLerner> bye michael
2008/07/09 [18:56] <@theagent> I use Fring on my iPhone... it works pretty well though TwitterSpy got very confused with two different clients. That is what hung me up yesterday
2008/07/09 [18:56] <+aronski> I guess I'm lazy at heart, because I was just crusing between the IM window, the web browser with Summize and Twitterberry at one point...
2008/07/09 [18:57] <+aronski> Was trying Slandr again today and I started warming up to it a little...
2008/07/09 [18:57] <+jromeh> spaz/gMailChat/spy/summizeFeeds
2008/07/09 [18:58] <+jromeh> when they kicked the limit back to 70, spaz just started cranking every 2 minutes
2008/07/09 [18:58] <+jromeh> no action required
2008/07/09 [18:58] <+VideoGamesShow-1> if you like magic, check out my webshow at www.ustream.tv/channel/learn-free-magic-tricks-with-cameron but if you are not interested, dont go
2008/07/09 [18:59] <+aronski> Slandr has a little part that tells you what the API is doing and why you can't get what you want, a lot more information than the mothership...
2008/07/09 [18:59] <+aronski> though Ev's post was very interesting...
2008/07/09 [19:00] <+jromeh> hmmm... believe saw that very late, summary?
2008/07/09 [19:02] <+aronski> basically to me it admitted that some of the function stuff withdrawl stuff was political rather than totally technical...
2008/07/09 [19:02] <+jromeh> ah, yes, a mix
2008/07/09 [19:02] <+aronski> knows that the tracable twitterstream is a goldmine and wants to be able to control the API for their benefit and to not just hose the system
2008/07/09 [19:03] <+aronski> trackable
2008/07/09 [19:03] <+jromeh> steve's post too
2008/07/09 [19:04] <+aronski> http://blog.twitter.com/
2008/07/09 [19:04] <+aronski> check the wording
2008/07/09 [19:04] <+aronski> very careful
2008/07/09 [19:04] <+aronski> Steve's take is sound.
2008/07/09 [19:04] <+aronski> You be the judge
2008/07/09 [19:05] <+jromeh> agree
2008/07/09 [19:05] <+aronski> the admission of the sweet feed for some and the fact that they know they can't give the keys away to the store without some serious compansation...
2008/07/09 [19:06] <+aronski> you know,\
2008/07/09 [19:06] <+jromeh> funny parallels to old school "IS" users wanting reports they never read
2008/07/09 [19:07] <+jromeh> costs vs. benefits, abilities
2008/07/09 [19:07] <+aronski> Well, information was non-existant during the beginning of the drought
2008/07/09 [19:07] <+aronski> Two thoughts about that
2008/07/09 [19:07] <+aronski> one was they were not sure what they had going on, big picture wise
2008/07/09 [19:08] <+jromeh> at least this only fills up hard drives, not offices and trash/recycle bins
2008/07/09 [19:09] <+aronski> and the other was the fact that they wanted to get their story straight, not speak out of turn and put together a plan that couldn't be seen as a tucking of the genie back in the bottle... even though it was in a sense.
2008/07/09 [19:09] <+jromeh> "sure, could look that up on the system, but would rather be able to flip through 2000 pages to find it _fast_"
2008/07/09 [19:10] <+jromeh> yes, and it seemed it took Steve letting the genie out a bit to get 'em to know they had to retreat
2008/07/09 [19:10] <+aronski> the careful almost legalese wording of that post...
2008/07/09 [19:11] <+aronski> I mean, Imagine...we guess less than 1 % was using track in any serious way
2008/07/09 [19:11] <+aronski> Imagine if power usage went to 5 or 10%....
2008/07/09 [19:11] <+aronski> catastrophic.
2008/07/09 [19:11] <+aronski> but more so...
2008/07/09 [19:12] <+jromeh> with current architecture, yes, and believe it was way under 1%
2008/07/09 [19:12] <+aronski> the idea that if large powers started using the API in a way that would benefit them without paying Twitter in some way...
2008/07/09 [19:13] <+jromeh> probably under 1% of active, way less than 1% of accounts
2008/07/09 [19:14] <+aronski> the last day it was live, 2 way IM with track, there was an event that blew my mind and it was tiny compaired to most...
2008/07/09 [19:14] <+aronski> I was in Dublin, Ireland and heard about this new Weezer video, the one with all the You Tube stars in it?
2008/07/09 [19:15] <+aronski> And I decided to track the band as the video went viral...
2008/07/09 [19:15] <+aronski> I thought my phone was going to melt.
2008/07/09 [19:15] <+aronski> had to turn off the track as it was getting ready to crash the deilcate Blackberry OS...
2008/07/09 [19:16] <+aronski> non stop posts, for minites on end.
2008/07/09 [19:16] <+jromeh> yes, had a similar thing happen earlier with "springsteen" after DF passed RIP
2008/07/09 [19:16] <+aronski> Yup, same here.
2008/07/09 [19:16] <+jromeh> karoli saw it with 'earthquake' and said so on gang
2008/07/09 [19:17] <+jromeh> newsgang
2008/07/09 [19:17] <+aronski> well, this is for a goofball standing in a field; imagine if it was the marketing unit of Sony Records...
2008/07/09 [19:18] <+aronski> instant feedback for an industry that can't do anything right.
2008/07/09 [19:19] <+aronski> Anyhow...I guess we should cut it out
2008/07/09 [19:19] <+aronski> Thanks again Jerry for being the host with the most.
2008/07/09 [19:19] <+jromeh> tried explaining to a PM (with a surfaced example, even) and just heard "I don't need more info" - showed him comcastcares, bet some wheels are turning
2008/07/09 [19:19] <+aronski> Makes doing this ultra long distance a lot easier...
2008/07/09 [19:20] <+jromeh> "I have more than I can handle already"
2008/07/09 [19:20] <+jromeh> well, how about immediate quality increase
2008/07/09 [19:20] <@theagent> after I can relax again, I want to get a conference bridge setup so everyone can actually talk anytime...
2008/07/09 [19:20] <+aronski> yeah... that's why I think the political thing is important...
2008/07/09 [19:20] <@theagent> I had it running of awhile but the server dumped that it was on....
2008/07/09 [19:21] <@theagent> not just on the scheduled calls.
2008/07/09 [19:21] <+aronski> Jerome, you ever read "Interface" by Stephen Bury (Neil Stephenson)?
2008/07/09 [19:21] <+jromeh> that'd be cool, might start taking a late lunch, can flex it sometimes
2008/07/09 [19:21] <@theagent> TeamSpeak or Vent for NGL and GG
2008/07/09 [19:21] <+jromeh> no, have read all NS under his name, not aware of ghosting
2008/07/09 [19:21] <+aronski> standby...
2008/07/09 [19:22] <+jromeh> ah, could be after hours, etc.
2008/07/09 [19:22] <+aronski> http://www.amazon.com/Interface-Stephen-Bury/dp/0553572407
2008/07/09 [19:23] <+aronski> great premise
2008/07/09 [19:23] <+aronski> Imagine if NGL was the focus group...
2008/07/09 [19:23] <+jromeh> thanks, was churning System of the World trilogy as Gang emerged
2008/07/09 [19:24] <+jromeh> tried to get some interested with little outcome
2008/07/09 [19:24] <+aronski> Leo is reading the new one, I'm jealous.
2008/07/09 [19:24] <+jromeh> "the geeks were right"
2008/07/09 [19:24] <+jromeh> dunno if you're listening
2008/07/09 [19:24] <+aronski> The trilogy is amazing, never wanted it to end...
2008/07/09 [19:25] <+jromeh> have been thinking about doing it again, had first one in paper, 2nd & 3rd hard, lent 1st, figure to replace and complete set, though could get 1st back
2008/07/09 [19:27] <+jromeh> though iPhone and twitter, etc. leave less reading time
2008/07/09 [19:27] <+aronski> I read Snowcrash close to once a year...
2008/07/09 [19:27] <+jromeh> book reading time
2008/07/09 [19:27] <@theagent> reading Gods of Mars right now on my iPhone. Actually not bad as an e-book reader
2008/07/09 [19:28] <+jromeh> where from?
2008/07/09 [19:28] <+aronski> My friend Howard Chakin used to read "The Stars My Destination" once a year...
2008/07/09 [19:28] <+aronski> <censored>... spelling
2008/07/09 [19:28] <@theagent> you guys checks out manybooks.net?
2008/07/09 [19:28] <@theagent> checked
2008/07/09 [19:28] <@theagent> freaking sleep deprivation
2008/07/09 [19:29] <+aronski> chaykin
2008/07/09 [19:29] <+aronski> no, I will...
2008/07/09 [19:29] <@theagent> free free free...
2008/07/09 [19:30] <+jromeh> thx, will check it out
2008/07/09 [19:30] <@theagent> I guess the site rocks with a Kindle... not bad on an iPhone either...
2008/07/09 [19:30] <@theagent> on demand books
2008/07/09 [19:32] <+jromeh> friend has a kindle, believe iPhone or a follow will be better once sw is there
2008/07/09 [19:33] <+jromeh> was a gift from hubs, she wouldn't have gotten it herself, but loves that he did and loves it now that she has it
2008/07/09 [19:34] <@theagent> I hear good things except for the industrial design. I think it's worth the $$$ just for lifetime EVDO
2008/07/09 [19:34] <@theagent> wait till someone hacks the thing and makes it a functional wifi/evdo router
2008/07/09 [19:35] <+jromeh> that'd be nice, but sorta large to add to cycling kit, pretty ok now with MBP, iPhone for my situation
2008/07/09 [19:35] <+jromeh> don't carry battery ;)
2008/07/09 [19:35] <+jromeh> adapters everywhere!
2008/07/09 [19:37] <+jromeh> cryptonomicon was also fantastic, even got it returned
2008/07/09 [19:39] <+aronski> the tie ins between the books are fantastic...did you read his OS book?
2008/07/09 [19:50] <+jromeh> command line? yes
2008/07/09 [19:50] <+jromeh> or ?
2008/07/09 [19:52] <+jromeh> even delved into "The Big U" and "Zodiac" some years ago, see more things to explore searching now
2008/07/09 [19:53] <+jromeh> got to Gibson first, liked his last plenty, lots of links between there, too
2008/07/09 [19:53] <+jromeh> though seem to forget its name "spook country"
2008/07/09 [19:55] <+jromeh> so Jerry, think they played Amoreena earlier as a comment on "dog days" starting?
2008/07/09 [19:56] <@theagent> very well could have.
2008/07/09 [19:57] <@theagent> well gonna pack it up for the trip home... I'll leave the stream up though...
2008/07/09 [20:17] <+jromeh> about to do same after wrapping up some things, thanks again!
2008/07/09 [20:51] <+WebPixie> nnnn
Session Close: Thu Jul 10 00:00:02 2008