NewsGang and Gillmor Gang IRC Transcripts for 07/03/2008

Gillmor Gang 07.03.08

NewsGang Live 07.03.08

Session Start: Thu Jul 03 00:00:01 2008
Session Ident: #newsgang-live
2008/07/03 [13:40] <+kshep> howdy
2008/07/03 [13:41] <@theagent> morning
2008/07/03 [13:41] <+kshep> you take part in the indenti.ca frenzy since yesterday?
2008/07/03 [13:43] <@theagent> nope... haven't touched it since I grabbed my handle
2008/07/03 [13:43] <+kshep> smart man
012008/07/03 [13:49] <ConnectedGeek_> i tried logging in earlier
2008/07/03 [13:49] #newsgang-live You need voice (+v) (#newsgang-live)
2008/07/03 [13:49] <+connectedgeek-1> i tried to login earlier
2008/07/03 [13:49] <+connectedgeek-1> it was dog slow
2008/07/03 [13:50] <+kshep> yeah, they're shuffling servers/dns
2008/07/03 [13:50] <+shareme> I just go tmy ahndle now very slow
2008/07/03 [13:50] <+kshep> got a little overwhelmed
2008/07/03 [13:50] <+kshep> 6000 users as of 6AM Pacific or so
2008/07/03 [13:50] <+shareme> it wil be up to 10,000 by tonight
2008/07/03 [13:51] <+kshep> if it stays up :-)
2008/07/03 [13:51] <@theagent> it's dog slow
2008/07/03 [13:51] <@theagent> not a good sign for that few number of users
2008/07/03 [13:51] <+kshep> spent a bunch of time in the source last night. It's dog slow.
2008/07/03 [13:52] <+shareme> no no ta goo dsign at al for only 6k in users
2008/07/03 [13:52] <+shareme> very slow
2008/07/03 [13:52] <+connectedgeek-1> truly
2008/07/03 [13:53] <+kshep> my one line review is that it's probably exactly what Twitter 0.1 looked like 2 years ago
2008/07/03 [13:53] <+kshep> back end and all
2008/07/03 [13:54] <@theagent> the way you subscribe to people is totally stupid...
2008/07/03 [13:54] <+kshep> my guess is there wasn't a ton of usability testing
2008/07/03 [13:54] <@theagent> discovery of people is lame
2008/07/03 [13:54] <+kshep> Xobni rocks
2008/07/03 [13:55] <@theagent> can't search and you have to scour the public timeline for people
2008/07/03 [13:55] <+kshep> Instant search through a 10 year mail archive
2008/07/03 [13:55] <+kshep> Xobni, that is. Not Identica
2008/07/03 [13:55] <+kshep> :-)
2008/07/03 [13:56] <@theagent> I am tempted to look at the source for identi.ca (Laconica)
2008/07/03 [13:56] <+kshep> the back end is pretty basic SQL table
2008/07/03 [13:56] <+kshep> old school
2008/07/03 [13:56] <+kshep> DB_DataObject PHP ORM
2008/07/03 [13:56] <+kshep> slow
2008/07/03 [13:56] <+kshep> not scalable
2008/07/03 [13:56] <@theagent> no data sharding?
2008/07/03 [13:57] <+kshep> the pub/sub model is user by user
2008/07/03 [13:57] <+kshep> it'll never support track, steve
2008/07/03 [13:57] <@theagent> ouch... user by user pub sup?
2008/07/03 [13:57] <+kshep> no way, no how
2008/07/03 [13:57] <+shareme> no DSL to tighten up SQL queries?
2008/07/03 [13:57] <+kshep> when you want to sub on a user on a different server, your server subscibes to theirs. When they update, their server posts an update to yours
2008/07/03 [13:58] <+kshep> the only traffic between servers is user by user
2008/07/03 [13:58] <+shareme> thats bad
2008/07/03 [13:58] <+shareme> so there is no username@servername constency?
2008/07/03 [13:59] <@theagent> I don't get it... both twitter and indenti.ca built typical CMS type systems when that actual function is that of a message bus
2008/07/03 [13:59] <+kshep> Their OpenMicrobloggingProtocol is based on OAuth, OAuth Discovery, and YADIS
2008/07/03 [14:00] <+shareme> why use CMS again its message bus..a
2008/07/03 [14:02] <+kshep> good point, Dan
2008/07/03 [14:03] <@theagent> I am very surprised that none of you noticed the lack of a curly phone cord ;-)
2008/07/03 [14:03] <+kshep> notice, but didn't want to start a thing, ya know? ;-)
2008/07/03 [14:04] <+kshep> Usenet 2.0
2008/07/03 [14:07] <+kshep> getting ride of the personal identifiers
2008/07/03 [14:09] <+kshep> http://www.comcast.net/privacy/
2008/07/03 [14:10] <+kshep> "Our third-party ad serving companies do not have access to your name, address, e-mail address or telephone number unless you or others provide that information to them directly, or you consent to us providing that information. In the course of serving advertisements to this website, third-party ad
2008/07/03 [14:10] <+kshep> serving companies may place or recognize a unique "cookie" through your browser."
2008/07/03 [14:11] <+kshep> "We use a software technology called Web Bugs (also known as Web Beacons/clear gifs) with the log files for the Service’s website www.comcast.net."
2008/07/03 [14:11] <+kshep> "These entries do not use personally identifiable information"
2008/07/03 [14:14] <+kshep> Flickr and del.icio.us
2008/07/03 [14:14] <+kshep> backbone of the web ;-)
2008/07/03 [14:15] <+kshep> Zoho
2008/07/03 [14:15] <+kshep> ^ Microsoft Office killer
2008/07/03 [14:15] <+kshep> Zimbar
2008/07/03 [14:15] <+kshep> Zimbra
2008/07/03 [14:16] <+kshep> no
2008/07/03 [14:16] <+kshep> :-)
2008/07/03 [14:17] <@theagent> I replaced 2 Exchange servers at my last CIO job with Zimbra. It kicked Exchanges <censored>.
2008/07/03 [14:17] <@theagent> 300 employees
2008/07/03 [14:17] <+kshep> yeah, it's slick. but like many acqs, not really pushed
2008/07/03 [14:18] <@theagent> in the BI space go look at something like Pentaho. Slick, very slick.
2008/07/03 [14:18] <+kshep> Yep, Pentaho... another one of those pseudo open source deals
2008/07/03 [14:19] <+kshep> Mondrian
2008/07/03 [14:19] <+kshep> heh
2008/07/03 [14:19] <@theagent> SugarCRM, Pentaho, Zimbra, Sourceforge Enterprise... replaced all the licensed <censored> from microsloth
2008/07/03 [14:19] <+kshep> each
2008/07/03 [14:20] <+kshep> you've broken away from the collective then, Jerry? Nice.
2008/07/03 [14:20] <+kshep> HEY FF --> build a real comment system, will ya?
2008/07/03 [14:21] <+kshep> they've got a two year headstart. Every day that seems more significant to me
2008/07/03 [14:21] <@theagent> I will not be assimilated.
2008/07/03 [14:23] <@theagent> every play with Splunk? another pretty cool system
2008/07/03 [14:23] <+kshep> Splunk rocks
2008/07/03 [14:23] <+kshep> essential infrastructure
2008/07/03 [14:25] <+shareme> mahalo justed added FriendFeed support
2008/07/03 [14:26] <@theagent> nagios, splunk, snort and sourceforge enterprise are my must have running apps for my datacenters
2008/07/03 [14:26] <+kshep> data centers? pfft. EC2 ;-)
2008/07/03 [14:27] <@theagent> true.. talking in the past not the future ;-)
2008/07/03 [14:33] <+pcnovice91> hey steve thanks for techcrunch very cool site
2008/07/03 [14:34] <+pcnovice91> im still waiting on the merger on xm and sirius
2008/07/03 [14:34] <@theagent> hey.. whatever happened with QIK iPhone streaming? those guys never contacted me
2008/07/03 [14:48] <@stevegillmor-1> pcnovice91 thx for liking it, we're excited about the growth of the audience
2008/07/03 [14:50] <@theagent> coffee refresh... brb
2008/07/03 [14:52] <+shareme> hmm interesting Facebook discuss on FF right now people baiting Dave Morin
2008/07/03 [14:52] <+shareme> ..about nhis open gov data to public api comment
2008/07/03 [14:54] <+connectedgeek-1> you have a direct link?
2008/07/03 [14:57] <+shareme> I guee syo could rss/atom it
2008/07/03 [14:57] <+shareme> he did comment direc tin FF not as link
2008/07/03 [14:58] <+shareme> that is one of the problems of comments woudl be nice ot get a link to athread but how
2008/07/03 [14:58] <+connectedgeek-1> make it so :)
2008/07/03 [14:59] <+connectedgeek-1> what are you listening to Jerry?
2008/07/03 [14:59] <+connectedgeek-1> i hear two audio streams?
2008/07/03 [15:00] <+shareme> 2 audio streams?
2008/07/03 [15:01] <+connectedgeek-1> oops
2008/07/03 [15:01] <+connectedgeek-1> i had something else running :)
2008/07/03 [15:02] <+shareme> ru Francince?
2008/07/03 [15:02] <+connectedgeek-1> lol
2008/07/03 [15:03] <+connectedgeek-1> anyone know anything about drupal?
2008/07/03 [15:05] <@theagent> i've done drupal and few other CMS systems
2008/07/03 [15:06] <+shareme> no do nto know drupal, why?
2008/07/03 [15:07] <+connectedgeek-1> i am having issues with my cron
2008/07/03 [15:08] <+connectedgeek-1> Attempting to re-run cron while it is already running.
2008/07/03 [15:08] <+connectedgeek-1> is what i keep getting
2008/07/03 [15:09] <+connectedgeek-1> the cron.php page does not show either
2008/07/03 [15:09] <+shareme> hmm
2008/07/03 [15:12] <+connectedgeek-1> hmm is right
2008/07/03 [15:33] <+kshep> drupal cron trouble...
2008/07/03 [15:33] <+kshep> still around cg-1?
2008/07/03 [15:36] <+shareme> he is probably still around
2008/07/03 [15:38] <+shareme> does FriendFeed need a hate vote feature?
2008/07/03 [15:40] <+kshep> nah
2008/07/03 [15:40] <+kshep> that's "hide"
2008/07/03 [15:41] <+connectedgeek-1> yes
2008/07/03 [15:44] <+shareme> I mean if yo u have like why not hate?
2008/07/03 [15:47] <+kshep> you figure out yer cron problem?
2008/07/03 [15:48] <+connectedgeek-1> nope
2008/07/03 [15:48] <+connectedgeek-1> i tried poormanscron too
2008/07/03 [15:49] <+connectedgeek-1> i am trying get my search to re-index my content
2008/07/03 [15:49] <+kshep> how are you running cron?
2008/07/03 [15:50] <+kshep> wget from the sam/different box?
2008/07/03 [15:50] <+connectedgeek-1> wget?
2008/07/03 [15:51] <+kshep> ignore that. how do you kick off the cron script?
2008/07/03 [15:51] <+connectedgeek-1> i am trying to run it from /admin/logs/status
2008/07/03 [15:51] <+connectedgeek-1> manually
2008/07/03 [15:51] <+kshep> any msgs in the logs?
2008/07/03 [15:51] <+connectedgeek-1> Cron run failed
2008/07/03 [15:52] <+connectedgeek-1> Attempting to re-run cron while it is already running.
2008/07/03 [15:52] <+kshep> nice and verbose. :-) so the reindex might take a while...
2008/07/03 [15:53] <+connectedgeek-1> it has been stuck at 0% for 2 days
2008/07/03 [15:53] <+connectedgeek-1> i also have tried poormanscron
2008/07/03 [15:53] <+kshep> http://drupal.org/node/85912 ?
2008/07/03 [15:53] <+kshep> you poked around there?
2008/07/03 [15:54] <+connectedgeek-1> reading... :)
2008/07/03 [15:54] <+kshep> :-)
2008/07/03 [15:54] <+kshep> old stuff, but you never know
2008/07/03 [15:56] <+connectedgeek-1> poormanscron is working:
2008/07/03 [15:56] <+connectedgeek-1> cron 07/03/2008 - 14:52 Executed ping_cron via poormanscron, took 2 sec. connectedgeek cron 07/03/2008 - 14:52 Executed node_cron via poormanscron, took 0 sec. connectedgeek cron 07/03/2008 - 14:52 Executed filter_cron via poormanscron, took 0 sec. connectedgeek cron 07/03/2008 - 14:52 Executed d
2008/07/03 [16:00] <+shareme> hehe
2008/07/03 [16:00] <+WebPixie> How do we know this, francine?
2008/07/03 [16:01] <+jromeh> no more handset, what headset is working so well?
2008/07/03 [16:01] <+WebPixie> oh, sorry, she can't see this
2008/07/03 [16:01] <@TinaGillmor> -----NGL show start Thursday July 3, 2008------
2008/07/03 [16:01] <+connectedgeek-1> the Francine Factor!!
2008/07/03 [16:01] <+connectedgeek-1> LOL
2008/07/03 [16:02] <@TinaGillmor> cell phone headset jromeh
2008/07/03 [16:02] <+donbonaddio> karmalicious
2008/07/03 [16:02] <@TinaGillmor> we've been working on the super great microphone... still no joy
2008/07/03 [16:03] <+kshep> what is there to burst?
2008/07/03 [16:03] <+kshep> market?
2008/07/03 [16:03] <+kshep> ipos?
2008/07/03 [16:03] <+alexbellinger> lots of little bubbles, small apps which will burst. No big bubble to burst.
2008/07/03 [16:03] <@TinaGillmor> Devil's Slide link http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist4/dslide/
2008/07/03 [16:05] <@TinaGillmor> We need to get photos of everyone in their car, desk, walking, chasing dog balls
2008/07/03 [16:05] <+RonSchott> Here's a topid for you Steve: if Links are Dead, why are you so high on TinyURLs?
2008/07/03 [16:05] <+kshep> get everybody justin.tv cameras
2008/07/03 [16:05] <+kshep> you can send me an N95 if you'd like
2008/07/03 [16:06] <+donbonaddio> "snap" us off twitter profile
2008/07/03 [16:06] <+connectedgeek-1> http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2008/07/google-talk-for-iphone.html
2008/07/03 [16:07] <+alexbellinger> gtalk on iphone borked because no background services, so it disconnects continually (apparently)
2008/07/03 [16:07] <@TinaGillmor> Ron hmmm?
2008/07/03 [16:07] <+jromeh> so you can comm with those who don't have web client in pocket
2008/07/03 [16:07] <+RonSchott> that was supposed to be "topic"
2008/07/03 [16:08] <@TinaGillmor> no I got that, my "hmmm" was me thinging about your question
2008/07/03 [16:08] <@TinaGillmor> where's my coffee?
2008/07/03 [16:09] <+donbonaddio> we've gotten shiny solutions without really knowing our requirements
2008/07/03 [16:10] <+dahowlett> We're looking at dynamically creating groups from tags in a Twitter clone
2008/07/03 [16:10] <+donbonaddio> nice
2008/07/03 [16:10] <+RonSchott> Hey is that a Gollmor girl?
2008/07/03 [16:11] <+RonSchott> oops that's Gillmor girl?
2008/07/03 [16:11] <@theagent> dahowlett, doing it here too. We have the same thing running.
2008/07/03 [16:11] <+donbonaddio> so you be a memeber of various
2008/07/03 [16:11] <@theagent> tag clouds for contexts
2008/07/03 [16:11] <+dahowlett> @theagent: in our case it will intellgiently relate tags to peeps
2008/07/03 [16:12] <@theagent> yep.
2008/07/03 [16:12] <+donbonaddio> so you don't have to "hard" switch outta groups
2008/07/03 [16:12] <+dahowlett> it's for dynamic problem solving purposes
2008/07/03 [16:13] <+dahowlett> plus we;re thinking about how the data that's created can be re-used
2008/07/03 [16:13] <@TinaGillmor> yes, that was the youngest Gillmor Girl - Ella
2008/07/03 [16:13] <+RonSchott> A-ha!
2008/07/03 [16:13] <@TinaGillmor> She needed paper
2008/07/03 [16:14] <+dahowlett> 13 mins to say the T word.
2008/07/03 [16:14] <@TinaGillmor> Maybe Ssteve will loosen up the format later and introduce her as a lead-in to the holiday
2008/07/03 [16:15] <+dahowlett> @theagent: yes.
2008/07/03 [16:15] <@TinaGillmor> ooops
2008/07/03 [16:16] <+dahowlett> classic - forgot to pay the phone bill
2008/07/03 [16:16] <@TinaGillmor> does anyone else want to share the screen right now?
2008/07/03 [16:16] <+connectedgeek-1> it is very enjoyable too
2008/07/03 [16:16] <+RonSchott> How many video streams can you fit on the screen theagent?
2008/07/03 [16:16] <@theagent> loosely ad-hoc media is significant
2008/07/03 [16:16] <@theagent> RonSchott, quite a few
2008/07/03 [16:17] <+dahowlett> ambient intimacy - lol
2008/07/03 [16:17] <@theagent> but I'd likely just swap you guys in and out like i just did myself
2008/07/03 [16:17] <+jromeh> but what was saying yesterday is that mainstream enterprise IT is still much more concerned about limiting corporate usage of such technologies than leveraging them, on the whole, it will take a lot of success stories before the loosen up about it
2008/07/03 [16:17] <@TinaGillmor> bills are my department... we actually have this problem of not getting a lot of our mail... neighbors get our regularly!
2008/07/03 [16:17] <+jromeh> they
2008/07/03 [16:18] <+dahowlett> @jromeh: not in my world but I know it's true elsewhere
2008/07/03 [16:18] <+jromeh> right, dennis, you're an edgling, and they exist in many places, but in a small minority
2008/07/03 [16:19] <+jromeh> most enterprse IT folk see their role as "protecting" more than "enabling"
2008/07/03 [16:19] <+dahowlett> I thought most peeps in this place are edglings??
2008/07/03 [16:19] <+WebPixie> that's so easy to forget, steve
2008/07/03 [16:19] <+jromeh> here, yes
2008/07/03 [16:19] <+alexbellinger> IT guys in corporates are classic gatekeepers in my experience
2008/07/03 [16:20] <+jromeh> but we keep hearing how enterprise IT is right on the edge of massive adoption, can't agree with that, it will take time and some will have to win with it for many to realize they also need to do it
2008/07/03 [16:20] <+kshep> it's generational. kids think it's all "easy". they'll displace us, and it'll all be easy by default
2008/07/03 [16:21] <@theagent> I need to go AFK for just a few minutes...
2008/07/03 [16:21] <+dahowlett> @jromeh: that's true as well. I have peeps looking for case material and it largely doesn't exist
2008/07/03 [16:21] <@theagent> be back shortly
2008/07/03 [16:21] <+kshep> learn one, do one, teach one
2008/07/03 [16:21] <+jromeh> yes, kshep, much of it is generational
2008/07/03 [16:21] <@TinaGillmor> nice visual analogy
2008/07/03 [16:22] <+connectedgeek-1> he just walked away
2008/07/03 [16:22] <+dahowlett> @steveg - it's a lot of fun trying to make it work
2008/07/03 [16:22] <+jromeh> that's totally how it is here, from the mainstreamers, it's a silly thing the nutty creative types do
2008/07/03 [16:22] <+aronski> once again the 12 step analogy comes into mind, in that the one common thing the people in the room have in common is the nerd factor, the inqusitive side that enjoys the new experience.
2008/07/03 [16:23] <+hardaway> Hey Jerry: cohost me:-)
2008/07/03 [16:23] <+kshep> he stepped away, Francine
2008/07/03 [16:23] <+kshep> again... a generational thing
2008/07/03 [16:23] <+kshep> kids don't care
2008/07/03 [16:23] <+hardaway> I am streaming at ustream.tv/stealthmode'
2008/07/03 [16:23] <+kshep> so the polls say
2008/07/03 [16:23] <+jromeh> how many people still only watch tv & read papers for news?
2008/07/03 [16:23] <+dahowlett> My evidence is that on the thing we're working on, we're having to keep people OUT at the moment. Which is ridiculous. We're trying to change that.
2008/07/03 [16:24] <+kshep> cars. rock and roll. rap
2008/07/03 [16:24] <+kshep> :-)
2008/07/03 [16:24] <+kshep> air travel
2008/07/03 [16:24] <+kshep> setting your VCR clock
2008/07/03 [16:24] <+connectedgeek-1> just having fun... http://www.microcommunity.net/ ... i'l take it down shortly :)
2008/07/03 [16:24] <+jromeh> and how many tech people who work alongside us go home to do nothing new, look at it as just a job?
2008/07/03 [16:24] <+kshep> generational
2008/07/03 [16:24] <+WebPixie> people over 50 are pretty much in the habit of watching tv and reading newspapers'
2008/07/03 [16:24] <+WebPixie> as for ONLY doing that, who knows
2008/07/03 [16:24] <+aronski> age has nothing to do with it; it's people who are engaged in the present.
2008/07/03 [16:24] <+dahowlett> @WebPixie: I'm 55 and feel like a teenager right now
2008/07/03 [16:25] <+hardaway> I'm 67
2008/07/03 [16:25] <+WebPixie> me too, dahowlett
2008/07/03 [16:25] <+kshep> no, steve can't
2008/07/03 [16:25] <+WebPixie> but i do like newspapers
2008/07/03 [16:25] <+kshep> Jerry will when he gets back
2008/07/03 [16:25] <+dahowlett> Seen loads of peeps at ORCL recently with iPhones
2008/07/03 [16:25] <+jromeh> aron good point, though there are some generational aspects
2008/07/03 [16:26] <+aronski> I see 70 year olds and 7 year olds with their nose in phones...
2008/07/03 [16:26] <+dahowlett> But - we're looking through the glass darkly - we get glimpses
2008/07/03 [16:26] <+jromeh> again, there are some - but mostly that's not so much the case
2008/07/03 [16:26] <+jromeh> 70 year olds, that is
2008/07/03 [16:27] <@TinaGillmor> aron -- engaged in the present... exactly
2008/07/03 [16:27] <+aronski> It's being in the present...some feel more comfortable in the past, a neo-luddite resistance to the acelleration going on...
2008/07/03 [16:27] <@theagent> I'm back
2008/07/03 [16:27] <@TinaGillmor> webpixie - paper newspapers?
2008/07/03 [16:27] <+WebPixie> ..as it always will
2008/07/03 [16:28] <@TinaGillmor> Jerry francine wants to co-host
2008/07/03 [16:28] <+connectedgeek-1> Jerry, Francine wants to co-host
2008/07/03 [16:28] <+WebPixie> yes, sometimes - i like to ready my hometown newspaper, the St. Louis Post Dispatch
2008/07/03 [16:28] <+WebPixie> only read their sunday paper and only once in awhile
2008/07/03 [16:28] <@TinaGillmor> there's Francine
2008/07/03 [16:28] <+jromeh> same lamp ;)
2008/07/03 [16:29] <+WebPixie> i think that was for you francine ;)
2008/07/03 [16:29] <+WebPixie> no
2008/07/03 [16:29] <@TinaGillmor> tweet link - please tweet http://ustream.tv/channel/NewsGang-Live
2008/07/03 [16:29] <+jromeh> there are cases, but no tsunami
2008/07/03 [16:30] <+WebPixie> turn off the phone!
2008/07/03 [16:30] <@TinaGillmor> what's the ringing?
2008/07/03 [16:30] <@TinaGillmor> is anyone else hearing ringing?
2008/07/03 [16:30] <@TinaGillmor> thanks you
2008/07/03 [16:30] <+connectedgeek-1> yes
2008/07/03 [16:30] <+WebPixie> yes, now it stopped
2008/07/03 [16:30] <+connectedgeek-1> stopped
2008/07/03 [16:30] <+jromeh> my dad said if he looked at it, it would break - but he was great with the satellite, gps, fish locator
2008/07/03 [16:30] <@theagent> it's me trying to get Steve back on vid
2008/07/03 [16:31] <@TinaGillmor> OHhhh
2008/07/03 [16:31] <+mterenzio> tina it went out to my identi.ca subscribers too .
2008/07/03 [16:31] <@TinaGillmor> thank you matt
2008/07/03 [16:31] <+jromeh> there's a market for simplified phones, forget what it's called but low $ simple is marketed to seniors
2008/07/03 [16:32] <+WebPixie> i'd like a prepaid iphone
2008/07/03 [16:32] <+alexbellinger> the iphone is so smart my 2 year old daughter can use it
2008/07/03 [16:32] <+connectedgeek-1> 1) $200
2008/07/03 [16:32] <+WebPixie> the cheaper the better of course
2008/07/03 [16:33] <+dahowlett> Can I hear 2...n? from Steve?
2008/07/03 [16:33] <+kshep> no, dennis
2008/07/03 [16:33] <+kshep> sorry
2008/07/03 [16:33] <+mterenzio> gas?
2008/07/03 [16:33] <+kshep> we've moved on
2008/07/03 [16:33] <+kshep> ;-)
2008/07/03 [16:34] <+jromeh> only the alpha geeks in IT around me are affording such things
2008/07/03 [16:34] <+dahowlett> Africa is mobile - not landline
2008/07/03 [16:34] <+WebPixie> it's happening
2008/07/03 [16:34] <+kshep> camera on all night was in fun, francine :-) :-)
2008/07/03 [16:34] <+aronski> asia too
2008/07/03 [16:34] <@TinaGillmor> I never give my land line phone number to anyone
2008/07/03 [16:34] <@theagent> south america is also mobile
2008/07/03 [16:34] <+mterenzio> one person one number
2008/07/03 [16:35] <+dahowlett> and Spain - cell out strips landline
2008/07/03 [16:35] <+jromeh> regular IT folk only want a phone, are very sensitive to the monthly charges
2008/07/03 [16:35] <+WebPixie> smart idea Tina
2008/07/03 [16:35] <+aronski> many people I know in the US have gotten rid of their landlines too...
2008/07/03 [16:35] <@theagent> give out my Grand Central numbers
2008/07/03 [16:35] <+hardaway> Only my kids have my landline number:-)
2008/07/03 [16:35] <+connectedgeek-1> grand central is awesome
2008/07/03 [16:35] <+WebPixie> i'm sure it's geographical too, maybe not so much generational
2008/07/03 [16:35] <@theagent> seriously.. land lines are going the way of the dodo.
2008/07/03 [16:36] <+mterenzio> yup
2008/07/03 [16:36] <@theagent> all VoIP
2008/07/03 [16:36] <@TinaGillmor> at&t is now giving out gifts/rebates or something for referrals
2008/07/03 [16:36] <+WebPixie> it's so much more fun when your employer supplies the fun tech toys
2008/07/03 [16:36] <@theagent> I can setup an ASTERISK box in 10 minutes
2008/07/03 [16:36] <+dahowlett> gotta go - need food.
2008/07/03 [16:36] <+jromeh> depends on the individuals
2008/07/03 [16:36] <+jromeh> one pool is much larger than the other
2008/07/03 [16:36] <+mterenzio> not true about young people
2008/07/03 [16:36] <+WebPixie> bjy dahowlett
2008/07/03 [16:37] <+jromeh> later dennis
2008/07/03 [16:37] <+WebPixie> he's serious francine ;-)
2008/07/03 [16:37] <@theagent> lost steve
2008/07/03 [16:37] <@TinaGillmor> bye dennis
2008/07/03 [16:37] <@theagent> huh?
2008/07/03 [16:37] <+jromeh> grew up with it
2008/07/03 [16:37] <@TinaGillmor> ooops Steve's gone again
2008/07/03 [16:37] <+hardaway> Steve got banished for yelling at me
2008/07/03 [16:37] <+jromeh> but don't yet have business experience to go along with it
2008/07/03 [16:37] <+WebPixie> instant karma, francine?
2008/07/03 [16:37] <+donbonaddio> exactly- what's the payoff
2008/07/03 [16:37] <+connectedgeek-1> you're so mean Francine :)
2008/07/03 [16:37] <@TinaGillmor> Jerry playing God today
2008/07/03 [16:37] <@theagent> did he drop or hang up?
2008/07/03 [16:38] <@TinaGillmor> no he's still here
2008/07/03 [16:38] <@theagent> that was just strange.. it shouldn't have dropped
2008/07/03 [16:38] <@theagent> just a sec
2008/07/03 [16:38] <@TinaGillmor> Jerry dropped the lline somehow
2008/07/03 [16:38] <@theagent> let me kill Skype
2008/07/03 [16:38] <@TinaGillmor> having trouble maintaining Steve's video
2008/07/03 [16:38] <+WebPixie> did you hit the kill switch francine?
2008/07/03 [16:38] <+WebPixie> landline always works ---just kidding, francine
2008/07/03 [16:39] <+jromeh> and enterprise IT still mostly sees its role as keeping people from wasting their time in these ways
2008/07/03 [16:39] <+WebPixie> electric can go out and the phone still rings
2008/07/03 [16:39] <+WebPixie> great analogy, michael
2008/07/03 [16:39] <+edguinn> everybodyeveryone got high at the same time in the 63-66. 18yr olds got wasted with 35 yr olds
2008/07/03 [16:39] <@theagent> <--- raises hand (loves to play in the muck)
2008/07/03 [16:39] <+connectedgeek-1> what is so funny about this ... we are using IRC too... one of the old tech on the internet to communicate
2008/07/03 [16:40] <+connectedgeek-1> http://www.microcommunity.net/
2008/07/03 [16:40] <+donbonaddio> but you want new "friends" too
2008/07/03 [16:41] <@theagent> all these things are just evolutions of previous systems... Stickam, uStream = CU-SEEME
2008/07/03 [16:41] <+kshep> same as MUDs and IRC 20 years ago
2008/07/03 [16:41] <+WebPixie> even some of us lurkers
2008/07/03 [16:42] <+kshep> cuseeme and IRC
2008/07/03 [16:42] <+kshep> nothing has changed
2008/07/03 [16:42] <+donbonaddio> diversity
2008/07/03 [16:42] <+kshep> true
2008/07/03 [16:43] <+kshep> did Steve hang up on us??
2008/07/03 [16:43] <@TinaGillmor> Francine is being labeled as Steve Gillmor's wife here http://www.ajax-blog.com/ustreamtv-just-got-a-redesign-but-justintv-is-still-beating-its-pants-off.html
2008/07/03 [16:43] <+WebPixie> people here seem to think more like me than most people i alreadyknow
2008/07/03 [16:43] <@theagent> the one thing that has changed is the quality and pervasiveness of these things.
2008/07/03 [16:43] <+connectedgeek-1> it is like the city you live in... you typically only go to the store in your neighborhood
2008/07/03 [16:43] <@TinaGillmor> Steve's in listening mode at the moment
2008/07/03 [16:43] <+kshep> hah...nice Tina
2008/07/03 [16:43] <+mterenzio> read it and commented ; )
2008/07/03 [16:43] <+kshep> re wife
2008/07/03 [16:44] <+WebPixie> what article is he talking about?
2008/07/03 [16:44] <+mterenzio> or was that XMPP hiding post
2008/07/03 [16:44] <@TinaGillmor> article link?
2008/07/03 [16:44] <+kshep> http://www.techcrunchit.com/2008/06/28/the-smoking-gun/
2008/07/03 [16:44] <+WebPixie> do you have a link, francine?
2008/07/03 [16:44] <+WebPixie> thanks kshep
2008/07/03 [16:44] <+hardaway> No wonder Steve hung up if I am his next wife. I suck at that. Five guys can tell you that
2008/07/03 [16:44] <@TinaGillmor> thanks
2008/07/03 [16:45] <+alexbellinger> five?
2008/07/03 [16:45] <+hardaway> Yes, Alex, I was the great experimenter
2008/07/03 [16:46] <@TinaGillmor> jromeh!
2008/07/03 [16:46] <+kshep> hey, jerome
2008/07/03 [16:47] <+kshep> infrastructure providers tend to advocate building infrastructure
2008/07/03 [16:48] <@stevegillmor> bullshit
2008/07/03 [16:48] <+kshep> they don't?
2008/07/03 [16:48] <+aronski> aaaahhhhhhh...silent no more.
2008/07/03 [16:48] <+alexbellinger> that's true. I worked for v large bank in PR. We were the priveleged few to have external internet access. That was 2005.
2008/07/03 [16:48] <@TinaGillmor> Steve is pleased... says you're all worong but you have to be wrong before you are right
2008/07/03 [16:48] <+jromeh> thanks, steve!
2008/07/03 [16:48] <+hardaway> Tina, I think thaat reference was to you! I don't have a cat.
2008/07/03 [16:48] <+kshep> so he's just letting us flounder?
2008/07/03 [16:48] <+aronski> We'll get him back before we're done...
2008/07/03 [16:48] <@stevegillmor> glad you finally joined jerome, next will be to be right
2008/07/03 [16:49] <+donbonaddio> we're looking at various support models where i work to enable new technologies while perserving security
2008/07/03 [16:49] <@TinaGillmor> he speaks thru be from the great beyond
2008/07/03 [16:49] <+kshep> nice. dog
2008/07/03 [16:49] <+alexbellinger> that's one hell of a ball
2008/07/03 [16:49] <@TinaGillmor> puppy
2008/07/03 [16:49] <+WebPixie> nice flooring
2008/07/03 [16:49] <+mterenzio> 25% of my stream is now identi.ca -- will it last?
2008/07/03 [16:49] <+WebPixie> large ball
2008/07/03 [16:49] <+kshep> no
2008/07/03 [16:49] <+mterenzio> icoming stream that is
2008/07/03 [16:49] <@stevegillmor> bullshit
2008/07/03 [16:50] <+amarquart> how about a whole house tour... HGTV Gillmor Gang
2008/07/03 [16:50] <+WebPixie> what really sucks is when you have to give them back
2008/07/03 [16:50] <+kshep> what's <censored>, steve?
2008/07/03 [16:50] <+hardaway> Francine sits on a FitBall at the computer and has a sleeping puppy
2008/07/03 [16:50] <+kshep> or is that some sort of <censored> bot?
2008/07/03 [16:50] <+kshep> once per minute? :-)
2008/07/03 [16:50] <+donbonaddio> especially if your a media company
2008/07/03 [16:50] <+hardaway> amarquart. Rest of the house looks remarkably similar
2008/07/03 [16:50] <@stevegillmor> enterprise iphone will change job roles
2008/07/03 [16:50] <+donbonaddio> you're
2008/07/03 [16:50] <@TinaGillmor> FitBall - good idea
2008/07/03 [16:51] <+WebPixie> need to get one
2008/07/03 [16:51] <@stevegillmor> bullshit
2008/07/03 [16:51] <+alexbellinger> enterprise iphone will be the new status symbol - like blackberry used to be
2008/07/03 [16:51] <+hardaway> We're doing core strength here, not just early adoption of technology
2008/07/03 [16:51] <+connectedgeek-1> i have about 400 people in my company that will probably buy this iphone next week
2008/07/03 [16:51] <+WebPixie> laughing pixie
2008/07/03 [16:51] <@TinaGillmor> i smell enterprise twitter making it's way up the road
2008/07/03 [16:51] <+hardaway> Why do I have to be on TV when Steve doesn't?
2008/07/03 [16:51] <@stevegillmor> alpha geeks = consumers
2008/07/03 [16:51] <+connectedgeek-1> it will change my life
2008/07/03 [16:51] <+connectedgeek-1> since i have to support it
2008/07/03 [16:52] <+donbonaddio> there will just be more devices that satisfy IT requirements
2008/07/03 [16:52] <+donbonaddio> and exceed ti
2008/07/03 [16:52] <+donbonaddio> it
2008/07/03 [16:52] <+kshep> yeah, iPhone isn't an alpha geed device. alpha chic maybe
2008/07/03 [16:52] <+WebPixie> will android kick it?
2008/07/03 [16:53] <+kshep> generational :-P
2008/07/03 [16:53] <+jromeh> in IT shops (not vendors) iPhone is still an alpha geek thing
2008/07/03 [16:53] <+WebPixie> you'd think they'd be one of the first
2008/07/03 [16:53] <@theagent> IBM made those changes years ago.... IBM has the largest remote workforce in the world
2008/07/03 [16:53] <+jromeh> sure, consumers are buying and using it
2008/07/03 [16:54] <+connectedgeek-1> i work at a law firm and i know that about 400 attny's will be getting this new iphone
2008/07/03 [16:54] <+jromeh> but IBM is a vendor of Enterprise IT
2008/07/03 [16:54] <+connectedgeek-1> it is going to be insane
2008/07/03 [16:54] <@TinaGillmor> lively chat today... very nice
2008/07/03 [16:55] <+WebPixie> another great analogy, michael
2008/07/03 [16:55] <+donbonaddio> we keep moving the cheese
2008/07/03 [16:55] <+connectedgeek-1> transcript of this chat will be here this evening: http://gang.connectedgeek.net/
2008/07/03 [16:55] <+kshep> http://60minutes.yahoo.com/segment/113/millennials
2008/07/03 [16:56] <@theagent> 25 years and a gold watch
2008/07/03 [16:56] <+connectedgeek-1> it is was very good episode
2008/07/03 [16:56] <@TinaGillmor> I'm gettin a GOOD neck rub right now
2008/07/03 [16:56] <+connectedgeek-1> ahhh
2008/07/03 [16:56] <+WebPixie> you deserve it, tina
2008/07/03 [16:57] <+connectedgeek-1> that is so true
2008/07/03 [16:57] <@TinaGillmor> when Steve's not on ... more people talk... hmm
2008/07/03 [16:58] <+amarquart> your job doesn't define you... my mantra to keep me in check from burn out
2008/07/03 [16:58] <@theagent> just had a good friend... 19 years... laid off.
2008/07/03 [16:59] <@theagent> she is devastated
2008/07/03 [16:59] <@TinaGillmor> people are sheding their shells today
2008/07/03 [16:59] <+WebPixie> many feel like their jobs or professions do define them though
2008/07/03 [16:59] <+WebPixie> sadly
2008/07/03 [16:59] <+jromeh> maybe more, though not around here
2008/07/03 [17:00] <@theagent> much different mind set to be an independent contractor
2008/07/03 [17:00] <+kshep> we're just going to go on forever, btw, Tina :-)
2008/07/03 [17:00] <+WebPixie> what's not around where, jerome?
2008/07/03 [17:00] <+donbonaddio> hence the popularity of "the social" it's a powerful support mechanism
2008/07/03 [17:00] <+mterenzio> all together now. . .God Bless Americaaaaaa!!1
2008/07/03 [17:00] <+jromeh> more of them are still defining selves on job (so what do you do?) but less so among this crowd
2008/07/03 [17:01] <+WebPixie> i see, jerome, and it's so healthy with the people here
2008/07/03 [17:02] <+connectedgeek-1> the rest of the world thinks that way--- american's on the average dont nessecarily think that why
2008/07/03 [17:02] <+connectedgeek-1> why = way
2008/07/03 [17:02] <+jromeh> sorta funny that was speaking today as working from home, so can do so
2008/07/03 [17:03] <+aronski> Steve, is Oprah gonna walk through the door?
2008/07/03 [17:03] <+jromeh> and am an ex-consultant ;)
2008/07/03 [17:04] <+aronski> He went to the movies...
2008/07/03 [17:04] <@stevegillmor> correct
2008/07/03 [17:04] <+donbonaddio> what about twitter?
2008/07/03 [17:04] <+connectedgeek-1> no... he will come and say ... Thanks to everybody who showed up and especially those who didn’t. :)
2008/07/03 [17:05] <@stevegillmor> fred will get an iphone and phone it in
2008/07/03 [17:05] <@stevegillmor> nice try
2008/07/03 [17:06] <+donbonaddio> clinton will wait for '12
2008/07/03 [17:06] <+shareme> but thosw who wokr in trasnpotation hit real big by this..truckers, bus drivers, fed-ex drivers
2008/07/03 [17:06] <@TinaGillmor> bating?
2008/07/03 [17:06] <@stevegillmor> correct
2008/07/03 [17:06] <+donbonaddio> McCain v Clinton 2012
2008/07/03 [17:06] <+jromeh> was once a truck driver, learned computers routing trucks
2008/07/03 [17:06] <+RonSchott> Is the dog looking for the ball?
2008/07/03 [17:06] <+aronski> I've taken a photo of steve and pasted over his side of the screen...it brings me peace...
2008/07/03 [17:07] <@TinaGillmor> does McCain have an iPhone?
2008/07/03 [17:07] <@TinaGillmor> does Obama?
2008/07/03 [17:07] <+mterenzio> i tweet therefore i am
2008/07/03 [17:07] <+hardaway> Obama has a Blackberry
2008/07/03 [17:07] <@TinaGillmor> hmmm
2008/07/03 [17:07] <+connectedgeek-1> Jerry needs to put Steve pic back up so @aronski can have more peace :)
2008/07/03 [17:07] <@TinaGillmor> I think Obama needs an iPhone
2008/07/03 [17:08] <+jromeh> fake steve dispatches security about celebrity iPhone sightings
2008/07/03 [17:08] <+aronski> Enterprise...and all the secure communications that made the RIM lawsuit go away (DOJ, etc. all on BB)
2008/07/03 [17:08] <@TinaGillmor> poor Aron
2008/07/03 [17:08] <+mterenzio> francine is getting ready to get the broom
2008/07/03 [17:08] <@TinaGillmor> doggy woke up
2008/07/03 [17:08] <+aronski> I'll vote for a Blackberry user...even if Arrington won't...
2008/07/03 [17:09] <@TinaGillmor> me too... but even so
2008/07/03 [17:09] <+aronski> I'm covered for Gillor serenity...
2008/07/03 [17:09] <+aronski> Gillmor
2008/07/03 [17:09] <+aronski> I'm surprised you guys let me call in!!!!
2008/07/03 [17:10] <+WebPixie> message control
2008/07/03 [17:10] <@TinaGillmor> aron ;-)
2008/07/03 [17:11] <+aronski> It's good to have fiends on the inside...Iwas convinced that the reason I couldn't read techcrunch on my BB was Mike's doing...
2008/07/03 [17:11] <+aronski> and friends...
2008/07/03 [17:13] <+amarquart> who is this talking... i like where this is going
2008/07/03 [17:13] <+connectedgeek-1> LOL
2008/07/03 [17:13] <+RonSchott> Agreed
2008/07/03 [17:13] <@TinaGillmor> JErry!!!! ha
2008/07/03 [17:14] <+WebPixie> he's changed campaign funding
2008/07/03 [17:14] <+aronski> wow
2008/07/03 [17:14] <+hardaway> That was surreal...
2008/07/03 [17:14] <+shareme> not really Republicans did nto change theirs yet
2008/07/03 [17:14] <+aronski> fake Steve/Jerry... I'm having an identity crisis...
2008/07/03 [17:14] <+WebPixie> when compromise is not caving
2008/07/03 [17:14] <+RonSchott> Hi Ella!
2008/07/03 [17:14] <+connectedgeek-1> mini-gillmor
2008/07/03 [17:14] <+hardaway> Steve's 7 year old!!!!
2008/07/03 [17:14] <+WebPixie> pretty little girl!
2008/07/03 [17:14] <@TinaGillmor> Miss Ella Gillmor
2008/07/03 [17:14] <+jromeh> jerry when we met muddy waters backstage everyone had "Hard Again" images held up like that
2008/07/03 [17:15] <+shareme> hello Ella
2008/07/03 [17:15] <+amarquart> adorable
2008/07/03 [17:15] <+hardaway> Greetings, Miss Ella! Puppy just left the room
2008/07/03 [17:15] <+aronski> Hi Ella!!!!!
2008/07/03 [17:15] <+alexbellinger> hello Ella
2008/07/03 [17:15] <+WebPixie> what pretty eyes!
2008/07/03 [17:15] <@TinaGillmor> Ella is reading the chat
2008/07/03 [17:15] <+connectedgeek-1> Hello Ella!! :)
2008/07/03 [17:15] <@TinaGillmor> Ella wave to everyone
2008/07/03 [17:15] <+jromeh> Ella stealing show from Francine
2008/07/03 [17:16] <+connectedgeek-1> as she should :)
2008/07/03 [17:16] <+amarquart> dreaming
2008/07/03 [17:16] <+WebPixie> waving hi!
2008/07/03 [17:16] <+connectedgeek-1> Thanks to everybody who showed up and especially those who didn’t.
2008/07/03 [17:16] <+WebPixie> waving hi to ella!
2008/07/03 [17:16] <@TinaGillmor> Ella just saw her super
2008/07/03 [17:16] <+kshep> Hi Ella!
2008/07/03 [17:16] <+hardaway> Cute!
2008/07/03 [17:17] <+WebPixie> you mean that's not just me, whoever is speaking?
2008/07/03 [17:17] <@TinaGillmor> Ella just told me to go back to work
2008/07/03 [17:17] <+connectedgeek-1> http://gang.connectedgeek.net/node/75
2008/07/03 [17:17] <+jromeh> photos on mycrazyuncle
2008/07/03 [17:17] <+aronski> Ella, tell your Dad that we thank him....
2008/07/03 [17:17] <+RonSchott> Bye Ella!
2008/07/03 [17:17] <+jromeh> thanks!
2008/07/03 [17:18] <+kshep> everybody go blow something up
2008/07/03 [17:18] <+mterenzio> have agood one
2008/07/03 [17:18] <+alexbellinger> bye thanks for another great show
2008/07/03 [17:18] <@TinaGillmor> Ella says bye everyone
2008/07/03 [17:18] <+RonSchott> Happy Fourth everyone!
2008/07/03 [17:18] <+WebPixie> but the aftershow continues
2008/07/03 [17:18] <@TinaGillmor> Happy 4th!
2008/07/03 [17:18] <+kshep> should put Ella on the call next time
2008/07/03 [17:18] <+kshep> ask her about the iphone
2008/07/03 [17:18] <+WebPixie> not quite
2008/07/03 [17:18] <@TinaGillmor> you guys should ask her to do her Shel puppet impression
2008/07/03 [17:18] <+RonSchott> The Gillmor Girls Gang?
2008/07/03 [17:19] <+aronski> that was grand...
2008/07/03 [17:19] <@TinaGillmor> she LOVES the Shel puppet
2008/07/03 [17:19] <+kshep> HAH
2008/07/03 [17:19] <+kshep> does she realize what karmic price she's paying, Tina?
2008/07/03 [17:19] <@TinaGillmor> says fascinating all the time now
2008/07/03 [17:19] <+jromeh> he's FASCINATING!
2008/07/03 [17:19] <+kshep> YES
2008/07/03 [17:19] <+kshep> YES
2008/07/03 [17:19] <+kshep> YES
2008/07/03 [17:19] <@TinaGillmor> perfect
2008/07/03 [17:19] <+aronski> Wait for the dead bird and the fail whale puppet....
2008/07/03 [17:19] <+aronski> YES!!!!!
2008/07/03 [17:20] <@TinaGillmor> naked conversations
2008/07/03 [17:20] <+kshep> haven't seen this since it first came out. totally have a different perspecitve on it now
2008/07/03 [17:21] <+aronski> the good old days....what 3 months ago?
2008/07/03 [17:21] <+kshep> blocked blocked blocked
2008/07/03 [17:21] <@TinaGillmor> right - ancient
2008/07/03 [17:21] <+kshep> we really need to remember to use the @ sign here next time
2008/07/03 [17:21] <@TinaGillmor> Ella has a razor
2008/07/03 [17:22] <+kshep> for the life of me, it takes like 20 seconds when I hear the name Shel ISrael. First I see the puppet. Then I see loren. Then finally, after much concious effort, I get a vague mental image of Shel.
2008/07/03 [17:22] <+aronski> "other people's intelligence leaking into their heads..." newsgang 07/02/08
2008/07/03 [17:23] <@TinaGillmor> yes, agreed.. the shel isreal is a puppet now
2008/07/03 [17:23] <+WebPixie> i don't know how much there is to that theory ar
2008/07/03 [17:23] <+kshep> S
2008/07/03 [17:23] <+kshep> A
2008/07/03 [17:23] <+kshep> P
2008/07/03 [17:23] <+kshep> S
2008/07/03 [17:23] <+kshep> A
2008/07/03 [17:23] <@TinaGillmor> this is still so funny
2008/07/03 [17:23] <+kshep> P
2008/07/03 [17:23] <+WebPixie> it's a riot!
2008/07/03 [17:24] <+kshep> Jerry, why are you attacking Shel by rerunning this?
2008/07/03 [17:24] <+kshep> S
2008/07/03 [17:24] <+kshep> A
2008/07/03 [17:24] <+kshep> P
2008/07/03 [17:24] <+kshep> Lawn furniture
2008/07/03 [17:24] <+kshep> Lansing, Michigan
2008/07/03 [17:24] <@theagent> had fun adding the flashing SAP
2008/07/03 [17:24] <+WebPixie> did you love it, ella?
2008/07/03 [17:24] <+WebPixie> i know i did!
2008/07/03 [17:24] <@TinaGillmor> thanks for thatyes noticed that
2008/07/03 [17:24] <@TinaGillmor> yes, Ella loved it
2008/07/03 [17:25] <+shareme> S A P silly Attitude Puppets
2008/07/03 [17:25] <+connectedgeek-1> http://gang.connectedgeek.net/node/75
2008/07/03 [17:25] <+connectedgeek-1> i added more pics
2008/07/03 [17:26] <+kshep> I still need to get around to hiring a photogrpher to do some clasy B/W head shot
2008/07/03 [17:26] <+kshep> http://twitter.com/account/profile_image/kshep
2008/07/03 [17:26] <+RonSchott> Bye
2008/07/03 [17:26] <+aronski> Well, believe it or not, it's 11:30 here in Goteborg and the sun is finally down...gotta dig through some photos I took last night... be well, thanks everybody...
2008/07/03 [17:27] <+kshep> Seeya Aron.
2008/07/03 [17:27] <+aronski> bye Ken
2008/07/03 [17:27] <+connectedgeek-1> Jerry I captured the SAP
2008/07/03 [17:27] <+connectedgeek-1> you just did :)
2008/07/03 [17:27] <+connectedgeek-1> hehe
2008/07/03 [17:27] <@theagent> lol
2008/07/03 [17:28] <+connectedgeek-1> added it to :http://gang.connectedgeek.net/node/75
2008/07/03 [17:28] <+connectedgeek-1> gotta go... see ya later... have a good 4th
2008/07/03 [17:28] <+kshep> Here ya go, Jerry
2008/07/03 [17:28] <+kshep> http://www.sapsapphire.com/usa2008/newsroom/imagegallery/images/sap_logo.jpg
2008/07/03 [17:28] <+kshep> for next time
2008/07/03 [17:28] <+kshep> :-)
2008/07/03 [17:29] <+kshep> alright...time to go buy charcoal and beer. later all.
2008/07/03 [17:29] <+connectedgeek-1> http://twitter.com/account/profile_image/connectedgeek
2008/07/03 [17:30] <@TinaGillmor> zepplin?
2008/07/03 [17:30] <@theagent> yep
2008/07/03 [17:31] <@TinaGillmor> oddly I like them better now then when I was a teen
2008/07/03 [17:33] <@theagent> over the years my tastes have become increasingly more eclectic, but Zep always has been a staple.
2008/07/03 [17:36] <@TinaGillmor> to me it always had more appeal to guys... girls were not so fond of them.... if I can make a big sweeping statement like that
2008/07/03 [17:36] <@TinaGillmor> ok... need to have a little lunch and edit
2008/07/03 [17:38] <+connectedgeek-1> chat transcript for today: http://gang.connectedgeek.net/node/77
Session Close: Fri Jul 04 00:00:01 2008